Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/13/09 11:30 PM, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net Broadcast into the ether: So this is easier for you to read...who was I responding to? Howdy, I am pretty sure Stanton does get it, and you mis-read him Kyle. It was probably an accident, but Stanton was commenting on the notion that top-posting forces your reader to work. Top posting for short messages is easier to read and that is the big advantage. Most people could configure their email program to top or bottom post. So, posting either way is about the same effort. Reading top posted replies is much easier, because the response is right there when you open the message. You don't have to scroll down to the bottom just to see what the new message says. That is such a waste of time. For long messages, it may add clarity and be worth the effort. It is nothing but make work on short messages and I would discourage it, plain and simple. Good day from someone who will try to resist furthering this thread, Ralph On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 21:18 -0700, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/13/09 9:07 PM, Stanton Mitrany stanton...@earthlink.net Broadcast into the ether: Top-posting forces your reader to work . . . Sorry if this comment was hard to decipher. stanton You sir, obviously get it. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/14/09 3:02 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Ok, got that trimming part. Anything else? Peter M. Not really. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/14/09 3:02 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Ok, got that trimming part. Anything else? Peter M. Not really. -- Are we through with this topic today? Its also 8:30am and I'm testing to see if my g3-g5 contributions are going to come back to me today ... in less than 2 hours ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Gary D. wrote: Why don't we just break up the group into two groups, one for top posters and one for bottom posters and than everybody will be happy. Or maybe not. (sorry) G. everybody is never going to be happy. :-) Tech people like bottom posting, the rest of the world top posts. I get it, I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Is there a mail client that lets you choose when, say, right clicking the reply button ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 12:07 AM -0400 6/14/2009, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Top-posting forces your reader to work . . . __ It's been my impression that those who participate in the posts on these lists: - Usually compose Subject: lines which are a reasonably informative description of the issue within the message. yes. Folx here are pretty good with that. But we do have a lot of thread drift and hijacking, so the subject line is not the beat-all end-all. - If reading any particular post in a thread, we have usually already become familiar with the discussion thus far by reading the earlier comments on an issue. Consider your audience. YOU may have a good understanding of what's in a thread, because you're the OP or it's one of the FEW you've followed. But the people providing the detailed tech support - they follow dozens or hundreds of threads in multiple venues. No way can they keep up with all those contexts. When seeking tech support, they're your target audience. The sooner you get them in context, past the noise, the sooner you get a useful answer. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 9:04 AM -0400 6/14/2009, Mark wrote: Tech people like bottom posting, the rest of the world top posts. No, not the rest of the world. Top posting is fine for light conversational chatting, where context is relatively unimportant. All other threads should be bottom posted and trimmed. Another issue with top posting is that is *discourages* trimming. That means messages grow and grow, to contain a lot of useless headers and other unnecessary drivel. That's ok, maybe, if ALL your participants have high speed network connections. But it screws the ones that pay per minute or per KB. I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Why switch back and forth at all? Keep in mind one basic rule: Every email message should have more signal than noise. Always start at the top, then insert your new content and trim as you go down. Finish at the bottom of the message, after removing the unnecessary quoted sig lines and such. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
At 10:27 PM -0700 6/13/2009, Clark Martin wrote: For the most part people get overly concerned about surge protection. Switching power supplies are fairly robust. I'd rather spend $20 on a new surge protector than $60+ on a Mac power supply. And that doesn't fix the blown ether and modem interfaces. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Dan wrote: I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Why switch back and forth at all? - Dan. It confuses people. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
At 10:36 PM -0700 6/13/2009, Clark Martin wrote: Dan wrote: Daisy chaining power strips is a political issue - between you, the size of the circuit breaker in the garage, and your fire insurance. That isn't a big deal either, every power strip you are likely to find has a 10-15 A circuit breaker. Daisy chaining them and adding loads to the additional power strips just increases the chance of tripping the breaker on the power strip or the circuit breaker protecting that outlet. Yes, but most wall sockets are at least twofers. So people add two or more chains... Not good. My housemate did exactly that with his pc, big crt monitor, etc. The daisy chained power strips were happy, and their cords were room temp. But the wall socket, and the wall below it, got HOT and started to smoke ...the house is 50 years old. The wiring is so odd. Can't run the coffee pot and toaster at the same time in the kitchen without blowing the breaker -- that takes out that one socket in the kitchen, the whole family room, the dinning room, and the left front driveway light outside. At the school I worked at we had a local fire marshall come through and they had no problems with daisy chaining power strips but wouldn't allow any power strips hanging off an extension cord (which carries the same protection. Ya ever notice that the wall sockets are just never in the right place! LOL Extension cords are ok IF they're large enough gauge. I often recommend to people that they use heavy gauge *outdoor* type round (never flat!) extension cords. And never use any extension cords that are so long you have to coil them. This despite the fact that adequate wall outlets weren't provided in the new buildings, something that would have been required by code in any house but since they were public buildings they were exempt. LOL. Doncha love our building codes?! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 10:16 AM -0400 6/14/2009, Mark wrote: Dan wrote: I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Why switch back and forth at all? It confuses people. I meant why switch the settings in your email client at all? Just keep them as-is and process every email from the top down. That works for both top and bottom posting. The idea that the email client has to place your insertion point for you that's Bad. It means you're NOT going over the message. You're just adding content without trimming. Your resulting message will ALWAYS have more noise than signal. Very bad and very impolite, regardless of top or bottom posting. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
CDs OK, DVDs Not...
Hi Listers, Recent discovery: The Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-103 optical drive in my G4 Quicksilver 867 will read up and make proper use of CDs I put in it (usually my game CD at this point). However, several days ago when I put my Tiger boot/install DVD in it, after some minutes of thinking about it, the drive simply opened up and spit it out. It never showed up on the desktop. Tried several times, no go. I feel totally naked without the ability to be able to boot from my Tiger DVD/use its Disk Utility if necessary. So an optical drive's DVD and CD reading ability can die at different times, huh? :-( ...and it's time for me to get a new one? Question: if it takes me awhile to replace the optical drive so I can use my Tiger DVD again, and I suspect it might, will booting from my Panther CD allow me to use Disk Utility to format/partition an external and two internal HDs if I have to? Opinions, please? Thank you, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Mark wrote: Gary D. wrote: Why don't we just break up the group into two groups, one for top posters and one for bottom posters and than everybody will be happy. Or maybe not. (sorry) G. everybody is never going to be happy. :-) Tech people like bottom posting, the rest of the world top posts. I get it, I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Is there a mail client that lets you choose when, say, right clicking the reply button ? Is everyone just mindlessly shackled to their mail app defaults? In Mail it is a two-click process to bottom post: click reply click above your sig. Start typing Done. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Top-posting forces your reader to work . . . __ It's been my impression that those who participate in the posts on these lists: - Usually compose Subject: lines which are a reasonably informative description of the issue within the message. BINGO!! Twitter, Twitter,Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: Clark Martin wrote: At the school I worked at we had a local fire marshall come through and they had no problems with daisy chaining power strips but wouldn't allow any power strips hanging off an extension cord (which carries the same protection. This despite the fact that adequate wall outlets weren't provided in the new buildings, something that would have been required by code in any house but since they were public buildings they were exempt. Interesting...at the University site where I work, that's one of the first things the fire marshals here look for - daisy chained surge protectors. And they write us up when they find them. Also, extension cords as permanent wiring. We sure keep the local electrical contractor busy! Of course, when the electrician gets here to put in a new outlet (I could do it but I'm not certified, another issue!) he just chuckles and says, You should look at the fire marshal's office Each fire marshall has their own interpretation of the code and what is important in it. We also go some strange observations, ones that couldn't have been although things may have got lost in translation. For me the tricky part was to locate power strips with long cords, upwards of 25'. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Help with Powerbook G3
Greetings to all thank you in advance for any help provided. I have a bronze keyboard Powerbook G3. What I'm looking to do is have it wireless capable either via a wireless card, or a USB wireless adapter. I've tried one at a regular computer store the OS 10.4 would not recognize it at all. That was a USB adapter that didn't have drivers for the Mac. I would prefer not to go the the local Apple store in the local mall to buy anything from Apple I can get from a 3rd party. So I'm looking for suggestions as to how to make my laptop wireless for the least amount of $ I can get away with. It has 330 megs of ram, a 333 Mhz processor a 100 GB hard drive in it. Garth Proud owner of several iMacs, an eMac, a beige G3, a sawtooth G4 ( I think it is as it's silver a slow G4). -- Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
Dan wrote: At 10:36 PM -0700 6/13/2009, Clark Martin wrote: Dan wrote: Daisy chaining power strips is a political issue - between you, the size of the circuit breaker in the garage, and your fire insurance. That isn't a big deal either, every power strip you are likely to find has a 10-15 A circuit breaker. Daisy chaining them and adding loads to the additional power strips just increases the chance of tripping the breaker on the power strip or the circuit breaker protecting that outlet. Yes, but most wall sockets are at least twofers. So people add two or more chains... Not good. My housemate did exactly that with his pc, big crt monitor, etc. The daisy chained power strips were happy, and their cords were room temp. But the wall socket, and the wall below it, got HOT and started to smoke Then something is wrong. Any given wall outlet should be able to supply up to 20 amps total (provided the breaker matches), 15 amps max from one socket. If it is getting significantly hot the wiring or outlet is bad ...the house is 50 years old. The wiring is so odd. Can't run the coffee pot and toaster at the same time in the kitchen without blowing the breaker -- that takes out that one socket in the kitchen, the whole family room, the dinning room, and the left front driveway light outside. My parents house is about that old and it has more or less adequate outlets and ampacity in the kitchen. My old house was built around 1946. There were originally only two 20 amp circuits in the whole house for plugs. In the intervening time the whole modern kitchen idea came about with lots of things to plug in and draw power. And even that was well before the advent of the microwave oven. At the school I worked at we had a local fire marshall come through and they had no problems with daisy chaining power strips but wouldn't allow any power strips hanging off an extension cord (which carries the same protection. Ya ever notice that the wall sockets are just never in the right place! LOL Code calls for an outlet with in 5 feet of any point along a wall. This is done specifically to avoid the need for an extension cord. But what blew me away was that a public building, a grade school, was exempt. This was a new school building, designed in the era of computers. The design allowed for one spot in the room for computers, a data drop and several power outlets. But there is a corner on the other side of the room that is also a good location for computers (and several of the teachers use that location). But the closest outlet is 15-20 feet from where power is needed. It's just nuts. Extension cords are ok IF they're large enough gauge. I often recommend to people that they use heavy gauge *outdoor* type round (never flat!) extension cords. And never use any extension cords that are so long you have to coil them. This despite the fact that adequate wall outlets weren't provided in the new buildings, something that would have been required by code in any house but since they were public buildings they were exempt. LOL. Doncha love our building codes?! Oh yeah! -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.0
A question for our illuminati: Do I remember correctly that Safari 4 and Camino use a similar underlying engine? And if so, does that mean they are roughly comparable in speed and overall performance? (Vested interest: I'm not anxious to ditch Camino. I'm used to it, and I like the idea of using a browser that hackers aren't thinking about.) --Tony PS: Notice that by simply obliterating all other messages entirely, I've deftly satisfied the top-poster and bottom-poster factions at the same time. :.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CDs OK, DVDs Not...
yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Hi Listers, Recent discovery: The Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-103 optical drive in my G4 Quicksilver 867 will read up and make proper use of CDs I put in it (usually my game CD at this point). However, several days ago when I put my Tiger boot/install DVD in it, after some minutes of thinking about it, the drive simply opened up and spit it out. It never showed up on the desktop. Tried several times, no go. I feel totally naked without the ability to be able to boot from my Tiger DVD/use its Disk Utility if necessary. So an optical drive's DVD and CD reading ability can die at different times, huh? :-( They use two different lasers. Of course the DVD part may not have died but may simply be dirty. Have you tried a disk cleaner? ...and it's time for me to get a new one? Question: if it takes me awhile to replace the optical drive so I can use my Tiger DVD again, and I suspect it might, will booting from my Panther CD allow me to use Disk Utility to format/partition an external and two internal HDs if I have to? Yes -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.0
On Jun 14, 2009, at 12:47 PM, tonycd wrote: A question for our illuminati: Do I remember correctly that Safari 4 and Camino use a similar underlying engine? And if so, does that mean they are roughly comparable in speed and overall performance? (Vested interest: I'm not anxious to ditch Camino. I'm used to it, and I like the idea of using a browser that hackers aren't thinking about.) --Tony Safari and Camino are two different monster. Safari uses the Webkit engine and Camino the Gecko engine. Peter M. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Ralph, I think that you hit the nail squarely on the head. This thread is the result of the single action of the one that started it that succeeded irrelevant comments he made in a previous thread. Regarding my experience, top posting was the practice in every commercial/industrial enviroment that I worked in. Back in those days it was generally labeled of reply with history. The practice allowed anyone who came in late on an issue to have the ability to simply scroll down in order to become familiar with the entire issue. Now, I do bottom post here simply because it is encouraged to trim history thus it does work. I agree with all that you say but resistance might be futile. G JT Ralph Green wrote: Howdy, I am pretty sure Stanton does get it, and you mis-read him Kyle. It was probably an accident, but Stanton was commenting on the notion that top-posting forces your reader to work. Top posting for short messages is easier to read and that is the big advantage. Most people could configure their email program to top or bottom post. So, posting either way is about the same effort. Reading top posted replies is much easier, because the response is right there when you open the message. You don't have to scroll down to the bottom just to see what the new message says. That is such a waste of time. For long messages, it may add clarity and be worth the effort. It is nothing but make work on short messages and I would discourage it, plain and simple. Good day from someone who will try to resist furthering this thread, Ralph --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
everybody is never going to be happy. :-) Tech people like bottom posting, the rest of the world top posts. I get it, I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Is there a mail client that lets you choose when, say, right clicking the reply button ? In Eudora 6.2.4 select what you want to include in the reply and hold the Shift key down while choosing Reply Quoting Section from the Message Menu. I do not know if this feature is available in other Mail Clients. But in a perfect world it would be. HTH ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: everybody is never going to be happy. :-) Tech people like bottom posting, the rest of the world top posts. I get it, I don't mind switching back forth but in Thunderbird it is a 4 click process to switch. Is there a mail client that lets you choose when, say, right clicking the reply button ? In Eudora 6.2.4 select what you want to include in the reply and hold the Shift key down while choosing Reply Quoting Section from the Message Menu. In Apple's Mail there is a preference under Composing for Responding that gives you the options for When Quoting Text in Replies or Forwards to either: Include all the original message or Include selected text, if any, otherwise include all Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]A polite netiquette back and forth
I'll follow whatever type of posting the message seems to generate... top, bottom, interspersed... fine with me. Just, please folks, trim some of the older stuff out of the message when the thread goes on for days. Just my $.02... California sales tax not included! Amanda The light at the end of the tunnel... the headlight of the oncoming train! On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/14/09 3:02 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Ok, got that trimming part. Anything else? Peter M. Not really. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Seriously, different people communicate differently. I don't whine and complain when having a verbal conversation and someone speaks to me from my left side as opposed to 20 degrees to the right facing forward from me. The intolerance here is not surprising, but never fails to disappoint, and I get really sick of weeding through this asinine debate over and over again as to why no one should be tolerant of others. Oh, but hey, so long as everyone thinks, acts and lives according to your will, right? Yes, I'm sure that someone has a perfect example as illustrated in episode 27, part 1, scene 13, line 5 n the background in the lower left corner on some filmed computer screen in Star Trek:The next Generation, but come on; WTF? You know what? If it's such a huge deal, why don't you just write your friggin senator and have them write a law to strike down this egregious and abhorrent behavior? That anyone would have so much time to to spend on such a non-issue, or have such entrenched feelings over something so asinine speaks volumes of their the life and exactly how narrow their perspective is. How about an on topic discussion for once? How about this: how do I block messages frm certin email addresses from reaching my inbox in Mail? A fanatic is someone who won't change his mind, and won't change the subject Winston Churchill. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
Each fire marshall has their own interpretation of the code and what is important in it. We also go some strange observations, ones that couldn't have been although things may have got lost in translation. For me the tricky part was to locate power strips with long cords, upwards of 25'. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I always made my own Power Strips with Four Way Metal Wall Boxes with two dual Receptacles and Round heavy duty three conductor stranded #10 AWG outdoor rated Cable. The Receptacles should be 20 Amp Rated or to match the upstream Breaker and Plug. 20 Amp works fine for a 15 Amp Service if the Breaker is 15 Amp. # 10 wire is good for 30 Amps and will insure a low voltage drop for long runs. Don't try this if you are not conversant with the code. If you have an open Stove Receptacle with a 50 Amp Breaker and Socket you could go to #6 AWG Outdoor cable with Sockets and Plug to match.. This is handy for outdoor power tools and devices with electric motors. But you might have to hide it when the Inspector shows up. ;-) Be sure all the screws in the wall sockets are tight to avoid Heating and Fire especially in old wiring. After years of temperature cycling the screws tend to loosen. It is cumulative. A little loose a little heat. a little heat more loosening and so on. HTH, ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
Clark Martin wrote: Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: Clark Martin wrote: At the school I worked at we had a local fire marshall come through and they had no problems with daisy chaining power strips but wouldn't allow any power strips hanging off an extension cord (which carries the same protection. This despite the fact that adequate wall outlets weren't provided in the new buildings, something that would have been required by code in any house but since they were public buildings they were exempt. Interesting...at the University site where I work, that's one of the first things the fire marshals here look for - daisy chained surge protectors. And they write us up when they find them. Also, extension cords as permanent wiring. We sure keep the local electrical contractor busy! Of course, when the electrician gets here to put in a new outlet (I could do it but I'm not certified, another issue!) he just chuckles and says, You should look at the fire marshal's office Each fire marshall has their own interpretation of the code and what is important in it. We also go some strange observations, ones that couldn't have been although things may have got lost in translation. For me the tricky part was to locate power strips with long cords, upwards of 25'. Actually, that was this particular fire marshal's suggestion. They make surge protectors and outlet strips with very long cords - at the hardware store here up to 15' but like you said, I know they make 25 footers. This eliminated quite a few daisy chains. Stephen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: RE: Netiquette I've decided out of respect for the Gurus of this site, Much. I will bottom post after trimming what I'm not responding to ... Will do. To the best of my abilities and, sometimes, in opposition to, my current mood ... My mood is always sunny. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: Actually, that was this particular fire marshal's suggestion. They make surge protectors and outlet strips with very long cords - at the hardware store here up to 15' but like you said, I know they make 25 footers. This eliminated quite a few daisy chains. In my main music studio ... I guess I should say, I have a nice heavy duty extension running from an old (normal power level) air conditioner receptacle to a heavy duty surge protector strip ... it has 1 power strip off that, and that 1 has an additional 1 off it, only. Not so daisychain-ish as it first sounded. Also, this particular receptacle has its own line from the main box downstairs. The heavy duty surge protector one stays on all the time, and has my desktop off it. 1 strip off the heavy duty one, controls power to my audio equipment (mixer and amp system), the other strip off that one, acts as an extension to the main SONY crt monitor and piano keyboard. I enjoy turning power on/off to those with each visit to my studio, at the 1st extension-power-strip switch. Not everything gets turned on at once. So far no fires or overly warm receptacles. When a storm comes through, I only need unplug one plug. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Leopard 10.5.7 on a Digital Audio Dual 533
I seem to have successfully CCC 3.2.1 Clone/Installed Leopard 10.5.7 on my DA Dual 533. It is an original QS 2002 Dual 1GHz installation and upgrade, cloned over my Network. My newly adopted DA has a 896MB RAM, a Geforce4 MX Mac Edition video card, and a 500GB Seagate ATA off a Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW400/USB1.1 PCI card. Performance hit as indicated by Xbench 1.3: Tiger 10.4.11 Overall 35.20 Leopard 10.5.7 Overall 29.72 or about 15.6 %. Geekbench 2.1.2 scores are essentially identical overall: (Tiger 571 and Leopard 570). Wondering what others thought about this. Under Leopard, I now have Software Core Image Support and QE, whereas under Tiger 10.4.11 looks like only QE. Comments welcomed. For starters, will I possibly wear out the 533 Dual cpu? DVD Player looks good. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard 10.5.7 on a Digital Audio Dual 533
On Jun 14, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Comments welcomed. For starters, will I possibly wear out the 533 Dual cpu? CPUs do not wear out. They do suffer from overheat, however. If you install the heat sink correctly, and the fan is in good condition, you will never in your lifetime wear out that dual 533. The QS and DA, and the earlier gigabits, are so very similar in electrical design (although there are many obvious differences) that a system generated for a QS will work on an earlier model. At one point, I think it was 10.3.something I could move the same 160 GB drive (boot and systems from 10.3 to 10.5, including Server) and 500 GB piggy-back drive (data) from a Smurf (G3) to a DA (G4) and anything in between. Of course, you can't do that with 10.4 or 10.5 on account of the G3 not being supported, but you can do that to almost every model which is at least a G4 (whether gigabit, or not). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/14/09 6:54 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: No, not the rest of the world. Top posting is fine for light conversational chatting, where context is relatively unimportant. All other threads should be bottom posted and trimmed. True even in my workplaces. Only an emergency would be top posted. Same when I worked at Apple (the mothership). Another issue with top posting is that is *discourages* trimming. That means messages grow and grow, to contain a lot of useless headers and other unnecessary drivel. That's ok, maybe, if ALL your participants have high speed network connections. But it screws the ones that pay per minute or per KB. Perfect point. Some guy in Wyoming has to pay for all that noise you throw at them unnecessarily. These lists are to help people, not cause them to go over their bandwidth cap and leave. Why switch back and forth at all? Keep in mind one basic rule: Every email message should have more signal than noise. - Dan. Exactly. Interleaved (as above) or bottom posting is the way to go. I work closely with the North Face world HQ, Cost Plus World Market world HQ, Apple etcthey all have their preferred posting methods in the employee manuals (which I have to read and sign of on even as a contractor). And bottom posting or interleaved is what they insist upon. Your workplace may be different, but with Apple especially, and I am saying this NOT at the list members, at Apple if you top post (unless it's an emergency) they consider you an idiot. It's the younger twitterrers that are trying to change the rules. This all started with the Instant Messaging that teens use most. I will admit that I IM when I am at the store and forgot what my wife asked me to pick up as I was walking out the door with the list and have forgotten. What is killing it for us the internet users in general...not the list) is what are you doing now...? I am getting coffee, are you gona come over later ...maybe...this girl is hot...check out the pic I just sent. etc. Because this sucks bandwidth and is relatively irrelevant. Very well put Dan. And I say that not just because you agree with me...because you have valid points. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/14/09 10:40 AM, Brian hellcat...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: You know what? If it's such a huge deal, why don't you just write your friggin senator and have them write a law to strike down this egregious and abhorrent behavior? That anyone would have so much time to to spend on such a non-issue, or have such entrenched feelings over something so asinine speaks volumes of their the life and exactly how narrow their perspective is. That is happening as you typed that. And the Senator is the list Owner Dan Knight. Look at all the reasons it is bad to top post. Read. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CDs OK, DVDs Not...
On Jun 14, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Dan wrote: Try cleaning the DVD. Try cleaning the DVD drive. Recommendations on cleaning methods? Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson Norfolk, NE 68701 i...@sajego.net ebay: samanthajg (285/100%) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
At 10:52 -0700 6/14/09, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: I always made my own Power Strips with Four Way Metal Wall Boxes with two dual Receptacles and Round heavy duty three conductor stranded #10 AWG outdoor rated Cable. We did that all the time in a well-equipped physics laboratory that was part of the US Navy. Everyone within a mile or so was thoroughly competent to handle things electric and children could never get by the Marines at the gate. But the lawyers forced all such units to be replaced with smaller commercial power strips. The reason: There was a fear that the Navy would get sued because someone stuck a small conductive item through the unused screw holes in the metal boxes and got electrocuted. Now, on topic. . . Here along the front range in Colorado we do get lightning. You can hear a stroke and still have time to look out the window while the current is still flowing from the sky. Florida has more strokes but I'll bet we have more total electrical current. Perhaps it's because the power company is well aware of the problem but the strokes rarely cause a voltage surge on the power lines. They occasionally cause a sudden and complete power failure when a circuit breaker trips or a big transformer loses a primary wire because it melted but that's no worse than turning off a switch. When the power company turns power back on is when surges are possible. They often do things like feeding a row of dwellings from a different phase while they repair a broken wire. That can cause a voltage drop that sometimes gets over-corrected by a generator that senses the change in load. We learn to take advantage of Apple power supplies that will shut down but not restart until an operator says to. It's best, after a loss of power, to wait until the power goes off and on again at least once before restarting things. The big problem has nothing to do with the power company. It's ground currents in planet earth. Lightning strokes return thousands of amps from the place they strike to what we think of as ground potential. Those currents find regions of damp soil to travel in and it's quite possible to have kilovolt differences between ground rods a few meters apart. The power company goes by a code that says there should be a single ground close to the power input wires but it also grounds the center tap of pole mounted transformers with a wire buried as the pole is set. What happens to that difference in potential between the pole ground and the household ground which can easily be 50 meters apart? Worse is what happens between the power company ground and the shield of that co-axial cable that connects your cable TV and internet connection? What about the ground on your Hughes satellite antenna out in the back yard? It has its own ground rod. What about the telephone ground which is connected to a cold-water pipe and has an effective connection to earth wherever it is buried? (For experts, don't forget that grounding wires of any length have inductance that is more important than their resistance to the rapidly changing ground potential.) We have lost television parts and ethernet hubs because of ground currents but never a computer due to surges. One of these days I'm going to install fiber optic cables for the household network. We don't do it but it would be appropriate to disconnect those CAT-5 ethernet connections all over the house when a storm approaches. A telephone connection with its ground wire probably should not be left plugged in to an otherwise grounded computer. -- -- The message came to Abraham that he would beget a son. Sarah, who was behind the door, laughed. -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/14/09 1:06 PM, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com Broadcast into the ether: In short - muck with the list software to get what you want without repetitive requests to please stop top posting. Google won't let us. They have no settings for those features. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 2:06 PM -0600 6/14/2009, Doug McNutt wrote: No, not the rest of the world. Top posting is fine for light conversational chatting, where context is relatively unimportant. All other threads should be bottom posted and trimmed. True even in my workplaces. Only an emergency would be top posted. Same when I worked at Apple (the mothership). There was a time - before e-mail and even before messaging to another colleague on the same computer - when mail was in the form of a piece of paper inside of an envelope which might well be one of those reusable ones with the holes to show content. The proper procedure was to write your message on a letter head, place it ON TOP of a photocopy of the letter you were responding to and then send it off. Interoffice linear discussion packets! I remember those! Only ONE person had the manilla package at a time, tho (unlike emails, where it's 1:many), so the progression was easy to follow. Comments were done as post-it notes covering the original text, or just scribbling in the margins. Sometimes in various colors... Woe to the poor schlub that sneezed and blew the post-its off. 2: Limit quoted text to, say, 20 lines and enforce it by truncating in software. Blind truncation destroys context. Some things just can't be sung well in only one verse. 3: Provide a link to the message being replied to that can be used by any reader who needs to follow the thread more closely. Time-wasting: The reader needs to see only the current context, not all of the disposed context also. Money-wasting: The bandwidth-limited reader will have to sign back on to fetch that unnecessary context. 4: Stop wrapping text to an arbitrary line length. God bless AOL and the heck it hath wrought, that lingers today. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Upgrading an old G3
my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger to be installed. I know she has 256 mb of ram and about 38G of hard drive space with 600 mhz. This computer is lightly used. Will Tiger run on this computer? I would love to see her upgrade to a newer computer but that isn't going to happen. thanks for any help and suggestions. Linda in Ohio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/14/09 2:07 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: God bless AOL and the heck it hath wrought, that lingers today. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth Not to mention that 97% of online crime against children is through AOL. That is why I will never use any of their services...ever. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading an old G3
Hi there. Yes tiger would run I run it on my g3 snowy 60mhz and 256mb ram. Runs a treat!! On 14/06/2009 22:37, Linda graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote: my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger to be installed. I know she has 256 mb of ram and about 38G of hard drive space with 600 mhz. This computer is lightly used. Will Tiger run on this computer? I would love to see her upgrade to a newer computer but that isn't going to happen. thanks for any help and suggestions. Linda in Ohio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 13, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Partially because of Microsoft's influence, top-posting is very common on mailing lists and in personal e-mail I never used top posting till I was forced to go to Outlook at work. Although I find it annoying I don't mind it so much at work since the replies are basic information. However on a discussion list I find top posting to be a real pain. Since I am not a computer expert it is almost impossible for me to make sense of some of the discussion when parts jump from top to bottom posting. So be kind to those of us you are just trying to stay in the loop and use bottom posting on discussion lists. Linda in Ohio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading an old G3
On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Linda wrote: my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger to be installed. This is likely to be difficult if your sister isn't somewhat technically capable. The 1st problem is the AIO is USB 1.0. I'm not certain what you're referring to as Verizon's USB wireless system but I'm guessing that you're talking about using a USB cable to tether a Verizon cell phone to the AIO as the internet access? It's likely she would need a PCI USB 2.0 card for this setup to work, although it may be possible to make it work using the built-in USB 1.0, and my not effect internet access speed if the connection is through a cell phone. If the connection is a broadband connection you'd FOR CERTAIN need a PCI USB 2.0 card installed. I know she has 256 mb of ram and about 38G of hard drive space with 600 mhz. This computer is lightly used. Will Tiger run on this computer? Yes, Tiger can run on this computer with the assistance of XPostFacto 4.0. There are significant issues. She would likely need more RAM, preferably the maximum 768MB (3x 256MB), but she could probably get by with the current 256MB, but low RAM will really churn the HD's use of virtual memory which can lead to HD failure, so getting enough RAM is a high priority. Also, the video may be really slow. The AIO shipped with only 2MB VRAM onboard. There is an optional 4MB stick you can get to bump it up to 6MB, but the OEM Rage video isn't good for Tiger. Ideally, you'd want to add a Radeon video card, but this is VERY DIFFICULT in the AIO and can't be easily accomplished. It's possible that if she was only using minimal email, etc, and didn't mind really slow interface she could possibly upgrade to Tiger as is and have some functionality, but again, from an economic standpoint this isn't a good idea, there are AGP G4's selling for less than the upgrade costs that will run circles around the AIO. G4 Mini's are also very reasonable upgrades in comparison to the AIO. I would love to see her upgrade to a newer computer but that isn't going to happen. Lobby her to look into a Mini, a used or refurbished Intel would be good. Or a used laptop? Upgrading this AIO will be a chore, and not for the faint of heart. I can't see the outcome being satisfactory. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading an old G3
On 6/14/09 2:41 PM, Phill Stroud phill.str...@o2.co.uk Broadcast into the ether: Hi there. Yes tiger would run I run it on my g3 snowy 60mhz and 256mb ram. Runs a treat!! She said AIO...not Snow iMac. Careful of your advice. Looky http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_266_aio. html Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading an old G3
On 6/14/09 2:37 PM, Linda graphics...@columbus.rr.com Broadcast into the ether: my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger to be installed. I know she has 256 mb of ram and about 38G of hard drive space with 600 mhz. This computer is lightly used. Will Tiger run on this computer? Is it Beige? A serious AIO? Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading an old G3
On 6/14/09 2:58 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Broadcast into the ether: On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Linda wrote: my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger to be installed. This is likely to be difficult if your sister isn't somewhat technically capable. The 1st problem is the AIO is USB 1.0. I'm not certain what you're referring to as Verizon's USB wireless system but I'm guessing that you're talking about using a USB cable to tether a Verizon cell phone to the AIO as the internet access? She said AIO. They don't have USB. We need to clarify the actual machine first. And the Verizon thing she is most likely talking about is the wireless adapter that allows internet through any USB port. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help with Powerbook G3
On Jun 14, 12:40 pm, gart...@aol.com gart...@aol.com wrote: Greetings to all thank you in advance for any help provided. I have a bronze keyboard Powerbook G3. What I'm looking to do is have it wireless capable either via a wireless card, or a USB wireless adapter. I've tried one at a regular computer store the OS 10.4 would not recognize it at all. That was a USB adapter that didn't have drivers for the Mac. I would prefer not to go the the local Apple store in the local mall to buy anything from Apple I can get from a 3rd party. So I'm looking for suggestions as to how to make my laptop wireless for the least amount of $ I can get away with. It has 330 megs of ram, a 333 Mhz processor a 100 GB hard drive in it. I have a Lucent Technologies PC24E-H-FC Silver PC Card that we used in the same machine as yours. Relevant info on its surface: IEEE 802.11 Compliant, Turbo 11Mb, making it look as though it meets the 802.11b standard. WaveLAN, Encryption: WEP. Google PC24E-H-FC for info and for driver. Let me know off-list if you are interested. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Hmmm, I wonder if Dan Knight will adjust or clarify the rules for all of lowendmac? Somewhere, I read that there was a roundtable about this yesterday. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Ownership and Privileges Across 2 Near-Cloned G4s
I have the basic partitioning scheme on both my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz and DA Dual 533: Leopard 10.5.7 (clone from QS to DA) Tiger 10.4.11 (different ones on my QS and DA, could be made the same) Apps (clone from QS to DA and back ...) Docs (clone from QS to DA and back ...) I cloned the Leopard partition using CCC 3.2.1 to the DA, and now have a nicely performing DA Dual 533 under Leopard; but, my User's names are different, so that the Ownership and Privileges aren't quite right on the Docs (and Apps?) partitions, which are also cloned from the QS to the DA (and back). I might decide to use Tiger on the DA, and Leopard only on the QS. I can use BatChmod to change all Ownership and Privileges on the Apps and Docs partitions, but wondering what kind of trouble I might be asking for ... I tried using this through BatChmod on the Docs partition: Owner localusername(TigerDA) Read and Write Group system Read and Write other everyone Read only with some success. At least I don't have to keep entering my TigerDA admin password to save a file there ... now my apps will save modified files to the Docs partition. One Mac acts as a backup for the other, and I do work on both computers, being that they are in 2 Music Studios. I may (should) add an external backup drive off my QS and do backups to it over my Network using CCC and with Time Machine off the QS ... that would be better than CCC back and forth between the QS and DA ... How might I better coordinate / sync my files so Ownership and Privileges will not be an issue across machines? Would creating Users on both machines with the same name resolve some of my issues? and use BatChmod to fix the Ownership and Privileges on both my Apps and/ or just Docs partitions? Seems like Leopard, Tiger and Apps partitions use: system Read and Write, admin Read and Write, and everyone Read only ... and the Docs partition is the one that's off ... Suggestions welcomed. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/14/09 5:23 PM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Hmmm, I wonder if Dan Knight will adjust or clarify the rules for all of lowendmac? Somewhere, I read that there was a roundtable about this yesterday. Al Poulin It's his call. But as I said. A lot most of us consider top posting rude. I can answer all your questions, but Bruce, Clark, Dan, Kris and a host of others with vast experience get to them first. And besides. If someone top posts I just delete it and move on. It is their option to top post and it is my option to delete. -- === Kyle H. Hansen Apple Certified Desktop Technician (ACDT) Apple Certified Portable Technician (ACPT) Apple Certified System Administrator (ACSA) MCSE Certified Technician CCIE, CCNA, CCSP Certified Technician k...@hansen-technical.com www.hansen-technical.com === --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
more than 1GB PC 2700 RAM, for iMac G4 USB 2.0
Dear Sir Is it possible to Put more than 1GB PC 2700 RAM, in my iMac G4 USB 2.0, (Sept 03)? thank you --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Safari 4.0
On 6/14/09 1:47 PM, tonycd at tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Do I remember correctly that Safari 4 and Camino use a similar underlying engine? No... Camino uses the same engine as Firefox, but its interface and some resources are Cocoa-based. Safari uses the engine of Linux browser Konqueror. -- MaGioZal, chilling in São Paulo winter. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Upgrading an old G3
On 6/14/09 6:37 PM, Linda at graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote: my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger to be installed. I know she has 256 mb of ram and about 38G of hard drive space with 600 mhz. This computer is lightly used. Will Tiger run on this computer? Will run, but trough XPostFacto. I am running Tiger here in a 266MHz, 512MB RAM Beige G3. About the HD space, yours is fine for the instalation. But I suppose that you already know that the G3 must have a USB card, don't you? -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Upgrading an old G3
On 6/14/09 6:41 PM, Phill Stroud at phill.str...@o2.co.uk wrote: Yes tiger would run I run it on my g3 snowy 60mhz and 256mb ram. Runs a treat!! Maybe more RAM can do the trick. My Beige has a processor less than half of the speed of an iMac Snow's processor and runs Tiger quite decently. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: more than 1GB PC 2700 RAM, for iMac G4 USB 2.0
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mullin9 wrote: Is it possible to Put more than 1GB PC 2700 RAM, in my iMac G4 USB 2.0, (Sept 03)? The Sept.'03 model has two PC2700 sticks; on SDRAM DIMM (184-pin desktop RAM), and one So-Dimm (200-pin laptop RAM). You could install a 1GB stick of each for 2GB total. There is also ECC server RAM that comes in 2GB for the 184-pin SDRAM DIMM, it's PC3200 which is backwards compatible with PC2700. I'm not 100% certain these ECC server SDRAM will work, and it's also very expensive, so probably not an option unless you stumble onto a good deal and take a chance. If it worked, you'd have 3GB total. All PC3200 is backwards compatible with PC2700 as long as it's the same type otherwise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading an old G3
She said AIO. If you look carefully, she says 600MHz. Linda: A 600MHz All in one G3 (Im guessing will be an iMac) will definitely be able to run Tiger, providing you have a DVD Drive (Firewire or internal). Or if you are lucky, you may be able to get a copy of the 4 CD Tiger retail discs. I have Tiger running on a 350MHz iMac G3, and it runs like a charm, providing you have more ram. Tiger's minimum is 256mb, but I highly recommend getting at least 512mb of ram, if not 1gb, the maximum. iMac G3's actually run quite fast, (especially 600MHz) and your sister really doesn't need a newer computer :) More ram would be good though. Thanks, Po-en Tsai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
