Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
Subject: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable? Researching the use of Powerline adapters for in-home, or even within business sites, you notice immediately that if you are using a pc instead of a Macintosh computer, there is a specific software package you can download to secure your Powerline adapters. The notice of the insecurity does not note that you can not use the software on MacIntosh systems, though it goes into good enough detail to explain that anyone that is on the same side of the neighborhood transformer as you are has easy access to your Powerline network, and all of its contents. A call to ATT fast access help line reveals that the phone support people, and at least one supervisor, have zilch knowledge of the problems that MacIntosh computers have with Powerline adapters. In fact, when you explain to them that their own webpages have the notice of the special software needed for P.C.s, the supervisor recommended me to a ATT support help line that charges money. Question, what is the liability of ATT for selling hardware that creates insecure networks? What is the value of privacy for a home or business network? And, has anyone figured out how to “secure” the individual Powerline adapters? Dwight Hines IndyMedia St. Augustine, Florida --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
At 3:23 AM -0400 10/11/09, Dwight Hines wrote: And, has anyone figured out how to secure the individual Powerline adapters? I suspect you're talking about those run the ethernet through your home power dongles. I would think a fairly straightforward way to put at least some security on your network might be to feed the network adapter with a router which assigns only the number of IP addresses you need (instead of the default of a large dynamic range), assign the IP addresses to your computers manually, and require a secure password. I'm pretty sure most home routers allow you to do this. That way, even if someone can see that you have a network they are pretty much locked out (of course given the right tools, enough time, and someone with the right skills nothing is secure). Good luck in pinning liability on anyone. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:52 AM -0400 10/10/2009, Dan wrote: At 11:19 PM -0400 10/9/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: Isn't it true that the G5 was way too hot for the laptop??? The PowerPC 970 (what Apple called the G5) was physically too big, too hot, and sucked too much power. After I replied, I remembered seeing a great mock-up of a thick PowerBook G5. A picture is worth a thousand words! http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/521443422866.jpg?0.10789654212925404 And the whole article: http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/03/ibm-to-use-strained-silicon-to-produce-powerbook-g5 LOL - Dan. Love it! (Secretly... I'd want one!) ;-) But why stop there... A G5 with that tiny display? Let's scale it up for a 23 inch LCD! Then you could add a compartment for a few personal items and a change of clothes. Add a couple of wheels and a slide out handle and you have the perfect computer for that quick, overnight business trip!!! Amanda - Yes, I'm awake way too early! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not?
On Oct 10, 10:16 pm, DLC dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Do you think that the DVD drive's firmware needs updating? it is a model SONY CD-RW CRX315E btw. I'm confused, I thought the CRX series was CD, not DVD; are you trying to load a DVD with a CD-RW? I hope not. I have a couple of Sonnet CPU upgrades and I always do my software installs on the Apple OEM CPU then swap in the upgrade processor. You can install Leopard on a stock QS using Open Firmware. Once it is running you can put in the Sonnet processor. As for all the comments about Leopard being slow, you might want to try running Monolingual to remove unnecessary architectures and languages. You don't need Intel architectures on your QS and removing the 2 GBs of unneeded code will really speed up Leopard. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
On Oct 9, 7:09 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Apple differs from most intel-based PC's in that Macs do not have a BIOS, but instead use Open Firmware and EFI-based configuration. Nothing is stopping anyone from making an EFI-based PC. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Still lurking mostly, but. could you translate this for this novice? Don't know this terminology, starting with BIOS onward. thanks... Linda H., learning as she goes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Firewire 800 external drive
I have a Western Digital external drive hooked up with firewire 800 to my G4 Mac. I used disk utility to format and restore OS 10.5.8 to this drive. When I open the drive icon all seem OK but when I select it for the start up drive, another drive will boot. If I use "T" on startup I get a blue screen with a dancing nuclear icon. What am I doing wrong? Norm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Linda Hungerford wrote:
Still lurking mostly, but. could you translate this for this
novice? Don't know this terminology, starting with BIOS onward.
All computers need some low-level 'smarts' so that they can start up,
or 'bootstrap' themselves, a reference to the adage about 'pulling
yourself up by your bootstraps', it is where we get the term 'boot',
meaning to start up a computer.
BIOS ('Basic Input/Output System')and EFI ('Extensible Firmware
Interface') refer to the same sort of thing, a tiny bit of code stored
permanently on a computer representing the very basic instructions on
showing video, reading hard drives, emitting sound, etc.
It also tells whatever OS is running what the specific hardware
features are on the computer, so that the operating system knows what
drivers to use.
Open Firmware in this case is the 'language' of the EFI, a set of
standards defining how a computer will interact with these lower level
systems.
EFI is a more advanced and standardized mechanism, and allows for
smart peripherals (such as PCI cards) to 'chime in' during boot.
--
Bruce Johnson
U of Az College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
At 3:34 AM -0700 10/11/2009, Amanda Ward wrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Dan wrote: A picture is worth a thousand words! http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/521443422866.jpg?0.10789654212925404 Love it! (Secretly... I'd want one!) ;-) But why stop there... A G5 with that tiny display? Let's scale it up for a 23 inch LCD! Then you could add a compartment for a few personal items and a change of clothes. Add a couple of wheels and a slide out handle and you have the perfect computer for that quick, overnight business trip!!! My housemate uses an airline bag ... extension/slide-out handle, wheels,... must weigh 40 pounds... to carry all the things that go with her PB. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
On 11-10-2009 16:52, Linda Hungerford, tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net, wrote: On Oct 9, 7:09 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Apple differs from most intel-based PC's in that Macs do not have a BIOS, but instead use Open Firmware and EFI-based configuration. Nothing is stopping anyone from making an EFI-based PC. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Still lurking mostly, but. could you translate this for this novice? Don't know this terminology, starting with BIOS onward. thanks... Linda H., learning as she goes Well, leaving up the translation and explanation to Bruce, I have a tip for you to start understanding: Besides the way of Google, goto: http://www.acronymfinder.com/ and insert BIOS or EFI or. Will give you a nice start of info. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
I did try the module in all three slots, yes, and it does have 8 chips on the back as well... Looks like the only way is to buy stuff marked as for Mac also. Thanks for all the response, and right, I had forgotten about that little Dutch company with their great RAM info. Only, I don't find the detailed specs for G4s: it seems G3 is the latest model that they have info for: http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/WhatIsAllowed.htm By the way, I got this module for 10 USD, so it's not a great loss. Chipmunk offers its 512MB modules for 59 Euros each, excluding VAT...! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Creeping failure to send emails
I have ATT DSL, connected by wire to a Quicksilver running Tiger and wirelessly via AirPort Graphite to a MacBook running Leopard. Both use Thunderbird for email. In recent days, both machines are having increasing trouble sending emails. At first, you'd fail on the first one or two attempts and then succeed. Now, you fail about 6+ times before a success. (Receiving, and browsing, both work fine.) I'd think this suggests a corrupt prefs file, but I'm hesitant to start wiping out preference files left and right, since I'm frankly not sophisticated enough to restore them. I do have a recent backup of both machines' configurations on an external hard disk, but I also have better ways to spend my Sunday than bumbling around ignorantly at the business of incompetent file replacement. What's this sound like to you eminent minds out there? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
At 3:23 AM -0400 10/11/2009, Dwight Hines wrote: Researching the use of Powerline adapters for in-home, or even within business sites, you notice immediately that if you are using a pc instead of a Macintosh computer, there is a specific software package you can download to secure your Powerline adapters. Not sure what you're point is here. The powerline hardware I've fooled with was plug'n'play, and the bridge box had a web-based interface. No extra software needed. Of course they offer some bizarre package for Windoze, because, as everyone knows, Windoze can't do anything without something new/extra/perfumesented being installed. *shrug* If you have some specific hardware in mind, say so, so we can look at it. what is the liability of ATT for selling hardware that creates insecure networks? None. Read the ISP's TOS/AUP. Keeping your computers secure is YOUR responsibility. If your ISP provides you with something fancy, like a NAT router, or a media bridge, that's great -- but that's done to conveniently maintain routing integrity, not security. Your home is YOUR responsibility. What is the value of privacy for a home or business network? In general, Q$10,000,001. OTGH, it depends on how much you pay your local geek to lock things down. Kindof like paying someone to put in a thicker steel door and better locks. Don't forget to put steel plating in your walls too - otherwise a clever burgurgeler could use a chain saw to make his own door. And, has anyone figured out how to secure the individual Powerline adapters? Exactly what do you mean by 'secure the individual Powerline adapters'? This is a technology that bridges ethernet over home in-wall power lines. The etheric packets are encrypted, (most commonly with a 56-bit DES?), just in case they leak beyond the transformer. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
At 7:52 AM -0700 10/11/2009, Linda Hungerford wrote: On Oct 9, 7:09 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Apple differs from most intel-based PC's in that Macs do not have a BIOS, but instead use Open Firmware and EFI-based configuration. Nothing is stopping anyone from making an EFI-based PC. Still lurking mostly, but. could you translate this for this novice? Don't know this terminology, starting with BIOS onward. BIOS and EFI are the languages spoken by the computer hardware. You tell the computer to do something. The operating system (Windows, Mac OS X, Unix, Linux) figures out how to do it, and uses those languages to tell the hardware to actually do it. Historically, Windows computers (PCs) speak BIOS and Intel-based Macs speak EFI. That language difference is what kept Windows off Macs and Mac OS X off PCs. But that's changing... Apple provided Boot Camp, to help Windows speak EFI. And hackers have provided the necessaries to make Mac OS X speak BIOS (this is how the Hacintosh works). EFI is the newer language... and because it's far superior to BIOS, manufacturers are slowly (sigh, very slowly) adopting it for all types of computers. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
I apologize for the repeat posts. They're purely accidental, and I think they happen because I hit return or refresh at the wrong time. Listmom, feel free to delete the repeaters. On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, pardon my ignorance, but where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 9:50 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? In Thunderbird. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. On Oct 11, 12:07 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:50 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? In Thunderbird. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 10:18 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. The POP server is for *receiving* mail. SMTP is for *sending*. It's the SMTP server you need to check -- smtp.att.yahoo.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Thank you for straightening me out on that, Dan. Thank goodness somebody here knows what they're talking about, since I certainly don't. The SMTP address is exactly as you specified it: smtp.att.yahoo.com . What would be the next most likely suspect here? Thanks again, Tony On Oct 11, 12:55 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:18 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. The POP server is for *receiving* mail. SMTP is for *sending*. It's the SMTP server you need to check -- smtp.att.yahoo.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
On 11/10/09 9:58 AM, Dan wrote: Keeping your computers secure is YOUR responsibility. If your ISP provides you with something fancy, like a NAT router, or a media bridge, that's great -- but that's done to conveniently maintain routing integrity, not security. Your home is YOUR responsibility. This is something to remember, especially with most of the ISPs giving stuff to customers that costs real money at the stores. If they continue giving away 'free' wireless routers, switches, etc...they will sure put someone out of business. Since they gave me this lot, I retired my gear. But I take your point seriously, Dan, my security at home is MY responsibility. The issue now is whether I trust my ISP to do it for me. Or, take the coming weekend to get D-WRT going on on my router. That's what I was going to do anyway, until they brought in their fancy stuff, and I got lazy about my security. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
I thought I'd run this here quick, as I'm sure someone here would have wanted to do same. I have a rather large HD that's formatted in NTFS and has tons of data on it that I'd like installed as a secondary drive in my Sawtooth. Question is: if I pop it in, as secondary, would it need to be reinitialized with the possibility of loosing my data? Is there a tool out there that would mount it without problems of loosing data, or reformatting? Thanks a lot! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
-- Original message -- Subject: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth Date:Sonntag 11 Oktober 2009N From:Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I thought I'd run this here quick, as I'm sure someone here would have wanted to do same. I have a rather large HD that's formatted in NTFS and has tons of data on it that I'd like installed as a secondary drive in my Sawtooth. Question is: if I pop it in, as secondary, would it need to be reinitialized with the possibility of loosing my data? Is there a tool out there that would mount it without problems of loosing data, or reformatting? Thanks a lot! Normally, Mac OS and Mac OS X only take HFS+ formated disks. MS-DOS (FAT16/FAT32) may also be possible. Which version of Mac OS X or Mac OS are you running? There is a driver called NTFS-3G that makes it possible under Mac OS X to access NTFS volumes. But I think you will at least need Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to make it work. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 11:15 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: The SMTP address is exactly as you specified it: smtp.att.yahoo.com . What would be the next most likely suspect here? Double check with your ISP that the address smtp.att.yahoo.com is still the correct server. If it is, then next we test the connectivity. Launch Terminal (it's in /Applications/Utilities). Copy these two lines together and paste them into the Terminal window: dig smtp.att.yahoo.com traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com The dig should run quickly, but the trace may take a while. If it gets stuck repeating lines like this: 12 * * * then just hit ^C (control C) to stop it. Then copy the whole mess and paste it into your reply here. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
You'll find it here: http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/ I have NTFS-3G 2009.4.4 running on my PowerPC Mac and it never let me down so far. System requirements are: Mac OS X 10.4 or 10.5 on Intel or PowerPC. Note: there is a 15-day trial version of Tuxera out, but as it already states, it's only a time-limited trial. I'd go for the free version mentioned above. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On 11/10/09 1:10 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: You'll find it here: http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/ I have NTFS-3G 2009.4.4 running on my PowerPC Mac and it never let me down so far. Thanks so much for this. You have no idea how well you've helped me. Really of great help! Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire 800 external drive
On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: I have a Western Digital external drive hooked up with firewire 800 to my G4 Mac. I used disk utility to format and restore OS 10.5.8 to this drive. When I open the drive icon all seem OK but when I select it for the start up drive, another drive will boot. If I use T on startup I get a blue screen with a dancing nuclear icon. What am I doing wrong? You're booting into Target Disk Mode which effectively changes your entire G4 into an external HD so that its HD can be mounted on another Mac. You've got two external HDs attached to each other with no Mac to boot from. What you need to do is use the Option key at startup to select the FW800 HD as the boot drive. You could also boot normally and use Startup Disk to designate the FW800 HD. This will only work IF the G4 came with built-in FW800, you normally can't boot from an add-in FW800 PCI card. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
USB Hub
Anyone know what it takes to make this hub work with my Quicksilver? Do I need a USB card or will simply plugging it into my G4's USB port work? Which is the best option? Also, where can I get just the USB cord for it? I have one that will work but it is one with one end that is changeable and I prefer to keep it for use with my digital camera. 4 Port USB 2.0 Hub inland www.inland-products.com MA3303 9barcode) Made in China 2005143727 -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
At 12:30 PM -0600 10/11/2009, Nestamicky wrote: On 11/10/09 9:58 AM, Dan wrote: Keeping your computers secure is YOUR responsibility. If your ISP provides you with something fancy, like a NAT router, or a media bridge, that's great -- but that's done to conveniently maintain routing integrity, not security. Your home is YOUR responsibility. This is something to remember, especially with most of the ISPs giving stuff to customers that costs real money at the stores. If they continue giving away 'free' wireless routers, switches, etc...they will sure put someone out of business. The ISP buys those devices in bulk. Providing them to the consumer keeps their network happy AND means they have fewer device types to support. That's a big financial win for the ISP. As for the stores - heh they deserve to lose some sales given their absurd pricing. But I take your point seriously, Dan, my security at home is MY responsibility. The issue now is whether I trust my ISP to do it for me. Or, take the coming weekend to get D-WRT going on on my router. That's what I was going to do anyway, until they brought in their fancy stuff, and I got lazy about my security. Trust but Verify. Some ISPs have done some questionable things - like providing custom firmware in their routers with a back-door. The ones I've seen had it locked it down reasonably well, and the ports used weren't ones that would be open (and thus vulnerable) in your computer anyway. But still, that's just not cool. Not all the customizations are nefarious tho. eg: Verizon's custom firmware for D-Link routers was necessary to make them run fast enough to keep up with their higher speed service. D-Link never fixed the issues on their own, so Verizon ultimately solved the problem by going to a different vendor. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd run this here quick, as I'm sure someone here would have wanted to do same. I have a rather large HD that's formatted in NTFS and has tons of data on it that I'd like installed as a secondary drive in my Sawtooth. Question is: if I pop it in, as secondary, would it need to be reinitialized with the possibility of loosing my data? Is there a tool out there that would mount it without problems of loosing data, or reformatting? Thanks a lot! ___ Even with an interpretive software I do not recommend using this drive as a mac drive UNLESS you reformat it for the mac. You will always run the risk of some situation that leads to the Mac ask to reformat the drive. It will always naturally happen when you are caught off guard and disoriented as to which drive the mac wants to reformat and you may indeed inadvertently lose your data. Much easier to save off the data and reformat the drive to Fat 32 if you need to retain inter-platform usability I ruined a drive in this way years ago taking it to a University computer to do some work. I mistook the disk the OS asked to format as the blank DVD I had inserted into the optical drive at the same time.. Especially since the requester did not specify the drive in question. Another time I had asked a media department IT to put some full QT Pro studio files onto my disk forgetting it was in NTFS. Since he was a paid tech in the TV control room and trained in a department where PCs and high cost Macs were side by side I assumed that he knew how to handle format differences and that the department had a long history of knowledge Of dealing with platform integration solutions. After all this is a large state university entrusted with training the minions of industry and commerce for the realities of the workplace in the larger non academic world. I accepted he was versed in Mac- Pc negotiations. I lost a $ 150.00 HD that day. Never to be formatted in anything again. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ http://twitter.com/FluxStringer http://mog.com/FluxMuse --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Hub
On 11-10-2009 21:14, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: Anyone know what it takes to make this hub work with my Quicksilver? Do I need a USB card or will simply plugging it into my G4's USB port work? Which is the best option? Also, where can I get just the USB cord for it? I have one that will work but it is one with one end that is changeable and I prefer to keep it for use with my digital camera. 4 Port USB 2.0 Hub inland www.inland-products.com MA3303 9barcode) Made in China 2005143727 Well, I'm quite sure you'll need a PCI-USB-2 card to connect that Hub. Connecting to the built-in USB (1.1) will probably work but only in USB 1.1 speed. And does that Hub come without a cable? Strange! Recently I bought a 4-port PCI-USB-2 card and a powered 4-port USB-2 Hub + cable for my QS/800 '02. Price Euro 6 and 14 - together Euro 20 = US$ 29,15. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth Date:Sonntag 11 Oktober 2009N From:Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd run this here quick, as I'm sure someone here would have wanted to do same. I have a rather large HD that's formatted in NTFS and has tons of data on it that I'd like installed as a secondary drive in my Sawtooth. Question is: if I pop it in, as secondary, would it need to be reinitialized with the possibility of loosing my data? Is there a tool out there that would mount it without problems of loosing data, or reformatting? Thanks a lot! ___ Even with an interpretive software I do not recommend using this drive as a mac drive UNLESS you reformat it for the mac. You will always run the risk of some situation that leads to the Mac ask to reformat the drive. For long term use I'd recommend the same. It should be possible though to use the disk meanwhile and back it up step by step. It sould also be possible to let Time Machine do this job, then format the drive to HFS+ and restore the data. I use NTFS-3G on Linux these days with NTFS formated external USB/eSATA disks. Most of the time they are accessed to and run on Linux, sometimes on Mac OS X with the mentioned NTFS-3G driver. Anytime I use the disks in Windows XP afterwards there are no complaints, no errors and no NTFS related malfunctions. I therefor take it that NTFS-3G is a driver that is well tested and working. BUT there are some issues with NTFS-3G that are worth mentioning -- the file access rights management is not working with this driver. This is only importaint if you have files on the drive that have to be protected from access by other users. Most external USB/eSATA drives aren't used in such a manner anyway, so it was never that importaint to me. Some other rarely used features are also not supported, like encrypted files. But again, that shouldn't keep anyone from using this driver for external NTFS formated disks. For an internal drive that takes only data, for example MP3 files and maybe some movies, this should also be of no concern to anyone. It will always naturally happen when you are caught off guard and disoriented as to which drive the mac wants to reformat and you may indeed inadvertently lose your data. Much easier to save off the data and reformat the drive to Fat 32 if you need to retain inter-platform usability Not easier. But, as I agreed, saver in the long run. The problem will arise when the NTFS file system brakes at any point in the future (by a system freeze that leaves corrupted data for example). The way to go in such a case is to take the drive and let it be inspected by a Windows system. With an external drive this isn't normally a problem. When the drive is mounted inside the Mac, well, it would be an awful PITA to get it fixed... I ruined a drive in this way years ago taking it to a University computer to do some work. I mistook the disk the OS asked to format as the blank DVD I had inserted into the optical drive at the same time.. Especially since the requester did not specify the drive in question. Some people ruined their drives without switching between different kinds of systems like PC -- Mac. Always make backups! Another time I had asked a media department IT to put some full QT Pro studio files onto my disk forgetting it was in NTFS. Since he was a paid tech in the TV control room and trained in a department where PCs and high cost Macs were side by side I assumed that he knew how to handle format differences and that the department had a long history of knowledge Of dealing with platform integration solutions. After all this is a large state university entrusted with training the minions of industry and commerce for the realities of the workplace in the larger non academic world. I accepted he was versed in Mac- Pc negotiations. I lost a $ 150.00 HD that day. Never to be formatted in anything again. I cannot think of anything that could have happend to such a drive that would brake it in such a way. You know, sometimes things just brake accidentially. I always use this proverb: What is this? The door opens and the clock falls of the wall... It just happend to be by accident. Sometimes two completely individual problems occur at the same time. Though it seems there must be a connection between them, sometimes there is none. Maybe the IT guy dropped the drive. Maybe the drive was due to brake at any time anyway, and just happend to do so in the IT guys hands. So what's there left to say? ALWAYS MAKE BACKUPS! Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using
Re: Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not?
On 10/11/09 1:52 AM, Kris Tilford of ktilfo...@cox.net sent On Oct 11, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I don't know what the problem could be, but I have a question about this??? Why would you upgrade to Leopard if Tiger was running so great??? I can't find anything that makes Leopard any better then Tiger??? So many Mac users have told me to keep my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger, don't waist the money on Leopard... I also agree with you. I've twice been requested to downgrade a friend's system that was upgraded to Leopard because of how much slower Leopard performs on PPC Macs. According to xBench GeekBench archives, Leopard's about 20-25% slower than Tiger for PPC Macs, while counterintuitively running about 15-20% faster for Intel Macs. The Macs I downgraded were G4 laptops in the 1.5-1.67 GHz range, not older slower PPC Macs. The possible reasons to upgrade to Leopard include: Time Machine, Spaces, and some newer software that isn't Tiger compatible. Are there other reasons? I don't think this is enough reason to upgrade myself, so I've left my G4 Mini with Tiger. I upgraded my G5 PowerMac to Leopard, and I'm too lazy to downgrade, so it's stuck, but luckily the G5 has enough horsepower for the slowdown to be not too bothersome until just recently. When I migrate onto an Intel machine I'll likely downgrade the G5 also. In my opinion, Tiger is the best OS for PPC Macs, and is with certainty the fastest. Intel Macs likely need Snow Leopard now, but I have no experience with Snow Leopard, so I'm not certain. Hi Kris and all. I would happily keep Tiger on this unit; however, my wife is very enamored with the new Blackberry syncing software recently released for Mac (obviously her Blackberry is involved). This particular app requires Leopard (too bad). The optical drive in question is indeed a combo drive - the install DVD mounts fine under normal OS operation; trying to start up in Leopard has proven, so far, quite fruitless, for what reason I know not. I ran verbose mode - at the moment of truth there were countless folders reported as unmounted from the host OS (I presume it means the DVD). I saw the word Airport frequently, thought the Airport card involved is an Apple OEM (1st gen. style). Thanks for all input. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On 12/10/2009, at 7:39 AM, Nestamicky wrote: I have a rather large HD that's formatted in NTFS and has tons of data on it that I'd like installed as a secondary drive in my Sawtooth. Question is: if I pop it in, as secondary, would it need to be reinitialized with the possibility of loosing my data? Is there a tool out there that would mount it without problems of loosing data, or reformatting? Thanks a lot! Not sure about internal hard drives, but as long as it isn't the startup disk, you should be able to use NTFS 3G to work with it. Google is your best friend. Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- eMac G4 1GHz running OSX 10.5, 60gb HDD with 1GB ram. Super speedy! iMac G3 Indigo 350 MHz, running OSX 10.4, 10.3 and OS 9.2.2, 80gb HDD with 768MB ram. Rather Fast! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Hub
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 11-10-2009 21:14, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: Anyone know what it takes to make this hub work with my Quicksilver? Do I need a USB card or will simply plugging it into my G4's USB port work? Which is the best option? Also, where can I get just the USB cord for it? I have one that will work but it is one with one end that is changeable and I prefer to keep it for use with my digital camera. 4 Port USB 2.0 Hub inland www.inland-products.com MA3303 9barcode) Made in China 2005143727 Well, I'm quite sure you'll need a PCI-USB-2 card to connect that Hub. Connecting to the built-in USB (1.1) will probably work but only in USB 1.1 speed. And does that Hub come without a cable? Strange! Recently I bought a 4-port PCI-USB-2 card and a powered 4-port USB-2 Hub + cable for my QS/800 '02. Price Euro 6 and 14 - together Euro 20 = US$ 29,15. Jo Hissel I got the hub sans cord from where I work. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Hub
On 11-10-2009 23:39, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: I got the hub sans cord from where I work. Aha, understood! Well, if your Hub has a usual USB connection, then you'll find a 1 mtr cable for around US$ 7 in every computershop. But don't forget: To use that Hub in USB 2 you'll need that PCI-USB-2 card or a Mac/PC with built-in USB-2 ports. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Hub
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 11-10-2009 23:39, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: I got the hub sans cord from where I work. Aha, understood! Well, if your Hub has a usual USB connection, then you'll find a 1 mtr cable for around US$ 7 in every computershop. But don't forget: To use that Hub in USB 2 you'll need that PCI-USB-2 card or a Mac/PC with built-in USB-2 ports. Jo Hissel The USB connector is rather small (looks like 5 pins in it) And what will such a card cost me? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Hub
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: The USB connector is rather small (looks like 5 pins in it) And what will such a card cost me? Don't you already have a mini-USB B cable sitting around for use with a cell phone, camera, MP3 player, or whatever? If you want to buy mini-USB B cable the price will depend on how quickly you want/need to have it in your hands. For example, meritline.com is offering a Belkin 5-PIN Mini-B Cable F3U138ODM06 for $7. (It was $2 cheaper 2 weeks or so ago.) http://www.meritline.com/belkin-6-ft-pro-series-usb-5-pin-mini-b-cable-f3u138odm06---p-38430.aspx But it'll (probably) take 1 to 2 weeks to arrive after you order it. (Longer if the place you order from is closed tomorrow for Columbus Day.) A generic cable will cost less of course and probably work just as well. Not sure what you'd pay in a shop these days ... I haven't done that in a long, long time. I usually either already have the cable sitting in a pile someplace (I have a LOT of spare USB cables) or I'm just not in enough of a hurry to get the cable to not order it through the mail. But seriously, before you buy one I strongly suggest you first make sure you know *which* flavor of USB cable you need to make it work and also check to be sure you don't already have one sitting around for use with another gadget. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
In Leopard I can access an NTFS formatted drive in read-only mode. The only reason to bother with NTFS-3G is if this feature is not available in the version of OS X you are using or if you want to be able to write to the NTFS formated drive from your Mac. No? In other words, I'd check to see if you can simply attach the drive via USB and read it before bothering with using another program you may not need to accomplish what what you want to do. And if the Mac asks if you want to reformat your NTFS drive ... don't do it. No? FWIW, -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: USB Hub
I'd add a couple of caveats too. Firstly - make sure you only buy a powered USB2.0 hub that plugs into your 110 or 240v wall socket as well as the USB. A lot of hubs these days don't and when you plug in something like an external drive , the USB port cannot supply enough power on its own for it to work properly. Secondly - a Mac only USB2.0 PCI card will usually cost quite a bit more but there are a number of PC only cards that work just as well for a lot less. To get optimal results from a USB 2.0 PCI card to run in a Mac, get a card that has the NEC chipset. Via and Ali chipsets are problematic - mostly sleep related issues, and should be avoided. Some USB 2.0 cards that have the NEC chipset are: Adaptec 3100LP BAFO BF-460 Belkin F5U220 GWC UC-160 IOGear GIC250U IOGear GIC251U Keyspan U2PCI-5 O'toLink U2-C2B O'toLink U2-C2A O'toLink U2-P20N O'toLink U2-P50 Ratoc PCIU5 USBWholesale UII-PCIP Cheers, Stewie Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:14:26 -0500 Subject: USB Hub From: khel...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Anyone know what it takes to make this hub work with my Quicksilver? Do I need a USB card or will simply plugging it into my G4's USB port work? Which is the best option? Also, where can I get just the USB cord for it? I have one that will work but it is one with one end that is changeable and I prefer to keep it for use with my digital camera. 4 Port USB 2.0 Hub inland www.inland-products.com MA3303 9barcode) Made in China 2005143727 -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! _ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iTunes artwork problem.
I have a lot of stuff in my iTunes I have downloaded from blogs.Other people's vinyl rips of old stuff long unavailabe.I have taken pictures of my own copies of some of these record,and would like to add the pictures from my desktop to iTunes,but when I click on get info for artwork.it will not always let me do this.Why is this,and what can i do about it Roger --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
At 8:26 PM -0400 10/11/2009, iJohn wrote: Assuming that you are talking about a device which can only be set up by running software which will only work under Windows, that strikes me as a tedious and annoying problem, but it could be worked around in a number of ways. Probably the easiest would be to have someone you know who uses a Windows laptop stop by and run the utility to set up the security for the powerline adapters. A better solution would be to NEVER buy such a garbage product. If the product doesn't adhere to the open standards then you should simply not be supporting that manufacturer. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On 11/10/09 5:49 PM, iJohn wrote: In Leopard I can access an NTFS formatted drive in read-only mode. This really is the issue also. I need to be able to mount ntfs hds on the mac from other machines and write to them. Say, I'm working in OSX or Win, I need to be able to send stuff to either machine via the network. I know I could have a dedicated HD, formatted in fat32 that I could put in the middle, but for now I need to put this HD in the mac and be able to write to it, until such time that I can find a 1TB HD I can afford. I'm not running Leo. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On 11/10/09 2:24 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: You will always run the risk of some situation that leads to the Mac ask to reformat the drive. This would be the case even with ntfs-3g installed? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/09 5:49 PM, iJohn wrote: In Leopard I can access an NTFS formatted drive in read-only mode. This really is the issue also. I need to be able to mount ntfs hds on the mac from other machines and write to them. Say, I'm working in OSX or Win, I need to be able to send stuff to either machine via the network. I know I could have a dedicated HD, formatted in fat32 that I could put in the middle, but for now I need to put this HD in the mac and be able to write to it, until such time that I can find a 1TB HD I can afford. I'm not running Leo. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Depending on need and situation, a large thumb drive may be as effective and avoid risking your precious NTFS data. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ http://twitter.com/FluxStringer http://mog.com/FluxMuse --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth Date:Montag 12 Oktober 2009N From:Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/09 5:49 PM, iJohn wrote: In Leopard I can access an NTFS formatted drive in read-only mode. This really is the issue also. I need to be able to mount ntfs hds on the mac from other machines and write to them. Say, I'm working in OSX or Win, I need to be able to send stuff to either machine via the network. I know I could have a dedicated HD, formatted in fat32 that I could put in the middle, but for now I need to put this HD in the mac and be able to write to it, until such time that I can find a 1TB HD I can afford. I'm not running Leo. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Depending on need and situation, a large thumb drive may be as effective and avoid risking your precious NTFS data. I can assure you that NTFS-3G is a stable driver and that it will most certainly NOT violate your data. It is the same driver that is available for Linux and has been tested by a whole community for stability. Depending on how precious your data really is... BACKUP. As for using Mac OS X with an internal or external NTFS formated disk - I would have no concern using NTFS-3G. Just stick to the one rule - if you ever corrupt the file system (a system freeze would be such a case) - remove the drive immediately and have it checked from a Windows system. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: I need to be able to mount ntfs hds on the mac from other machines and write to them. Are the different machines on the same local network (LAN)? If so, then couldn't you also just R/W share the drive via the network? But if the NTFS drive has to be connected directly to your Mac and you need to be able to write to it then I suppose something like NTFS-3G or a commercial software equivalent like Paragon's NTFS for Mac is what you'd be looking at. http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-mac/ -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
