Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Tim Gochnour  wrote:

>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>
>> Some folks have no imagination and like to spoil the dreams of others.
>>
>> Besides who ever saw a TV shaped like a an overturned lampshade?
>>
>
>
> We will have NO old fart fights in here!
>
> LOL
>
> _
>

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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[JGetchel]

On Mar 18, 1:09 pm, Dan  wrote:

> Another indication:  Enable world leak checking from Safari's Debug
> menu.  Then see if you get the leak dialog when you close the
> windows...

This is something new to me -- Where is the Safari Debug menu. I have
a Develop menu --?
How does one enable/view the Debug Menu?

And looking at activity monitor on a 24" iMac (2009 vintage) with 4GB
of real RAM, I see a whopping 195GB! of VM with Safari 4.0.5 open
and running.
Fortunately Page Outs is 0 and Swap used is 0, but WTF with the VM
size???

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Good OS X PPC Stress Testers and Benchmarkers

[Albert Carter]

Hi,

    I wanted to know if there were any good free stress testers for checking 
hardward: processor, RAM, harddrive, etc. Also I wanted to know what good free 
benchmark software is out there.

Thank You,
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Migrate iBook to Cube

[JOHN CARMONNE]

Hi All

I have a G4 Cube 500MHz with a fresh 10.4.11 and 9,2,2 system on it  
and I want to know when I use Migration Assistant to update from an  
iCeBook TO THE CUBE if it will also migrate the OS9 stuff too, also I  
have some OSX  and OS9 items already on the cube so will that stuff  
be untouched?


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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
> 
>> John Carmonne wrote:
>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>>> Steve Jobs copied the Philco 1959 TV for the G4 Flower Pot.
>> 
>> Okay.  Showing my ignorance here.  What the hell is a G4 Flower Pot?
> 
> I'm guessing he means the G4 iMac, but I've never heard it called that. The 
> 'Luxo' iMac is the most common nickname I've heard.
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A shop in Costa Mesa CA calls them SunFlowers.


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Re: [Bulk] Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Clark Martin]

On 3/18/10 4:42 PM, iJohn wrote:

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Dennis Myhand  wrote:

That is an AT&T Video-Phone.  We all knew we would all have one of those in
ten years.


It was no lie, at least IMO. I'm sure the telco engineers sincerely
believed they would make it happen. And I'm also sure it all seemed so
very "next logical step" to them. An engineer is an engineer is an
engineer.

It's amazing to me that the VideoPhone actually did come to be. No
hover cars, but we did get the video phone. Of course, the telcos had
absolutely nothing to do with giving us video with a telephone call,
but that's no surprise, is it?


I think many people thought that the video phone was the next step but I 
think they missed an essential point, for day to day use many people 
don't want video.  They know what the other person looks like (or don't 
at all care) and they want to be able to concentrate on other stuff. 
And then there is the whole "I'm not dressed right to be seen on the 
phone" (or dressed at all).


Sure, there's lots of uses for it but it's not a universal "must have".

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


John Carmonne wrote:

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
Steve Jobs copied the Philco 1959 TV for the G4 Flower Pot.


Okay.  Showing my ignorance here.  What the hell is a G4 Flower Pot?


I'm guessing he means the G4 iMac, but I've never heard it called  
that. The 'Luxo' iMac is the most common nickname I've heard.


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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Clark Martin]

On 3/18/10 4:35 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


You used to be able to go to things like the New York World's Fair, or
the larger state fairs, or even the Los Angeles County Fair and actually
use one of those video phones, or see someone using it. There are some
memories from my childhood which my misspent youth did not wipe out!


Disneyland had it too.



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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Dennis Myhand]

John Musbach wrote:

Your link brings me to a photo of "a man and his carpet!", not sure
what that has to do with iMacs or iSights?

On 3/18/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:

Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966 "
lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[John Musbach]

Your link brings me to a photo of "a man and his carpet!", not sure
what that has to do with iMacs or iSights?

On 3/18/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:
> Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966 "
> lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview
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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Dennis Myhand]

John Carmonne wrote:

G4 flat panel iMac with goose neck LCD display



Ah.  Learn something every day.  Gracias.

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

> John Carmonne wrote:
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>> Steve Jobs copied the Philco 1959 TV for the G4 Flower Pot.
> 
> Okay.  Showing my ignorance here.  What the hell is a G4 Flower Pot?
> 
G4 flat panel iMac with goose neck LCD display


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cedmagic.com/history/philco-predicta-princess.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cedmagic.com/history/philco-predicta-princess.html&h=372&w=400&sz=42&tbnid=Y3DwubhRtKCeOM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dphilco%2B%2Btv&usg=__kGfUfZEPMPtc-WmSLrU0kszdTMw=&ei=VruiS9SjK4awsgPE65G9BA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&ved=0CBEQ9QEwAQ



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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Dennis Myhand]

John Carmonne wrote:

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

Steve Jobs copied the Philco 1959 TV for the G4 Flower Pot.



Okay.  Showing my ignorance here.  What the hell is a G4 Flower Pot?

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


Clark Martin wrote:

On 3/18/10 4:23 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a  
1966

" lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview

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That is an AT&T Video-Phone. We all knew we would all have one of  
those

in ten years. Another lie from the "Phonee" company.
It will take a little longer before we have video phones in our  
flying cars.


Yeah, sometime next year when Apple rolls out the iPad 2.0 with a  
camera in it like it's supposed to have and when we get flying cars.


Which may take a little longer...



You used to be able to go to things like the New York World's Fair,  
or the larger state fairs, or even the Los Angeles County Fair and  
actually use one of those video phones, or see someone using it.   
There are some memories from my childhood which my misspent youth  
did not wipe out!


AT&T actually rolled it out in commercial service in 1970




Here's some more info on the 1964 version:






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Re: [Bulk] Re: OT 1966 iMac

[iJohn]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Dennis Myhand  wrote:
> That is an AT&T Video-Phone.  We all knew we would all have one of those in
> ten years.

It was no lie, at least IMO. I'm sure the telco engineers sincerely
believed they would make it happen. And I'm also sure it all seemed so
very "next logical step" to them. An engineer is an engineer is an
engineer.

It's amazing to me that the VideoPhone actually did come to be. No
hover cars, but we did get the video phone. Of course, the telcos had
absolutely nothing to do with giving us video with a telephone call,
but that's no surprise, is it?

-irrational john

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Dennis Myhand]

Clark Martin wrote:

On 3/18/10 4:23 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966
" lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview

--


That is an AT&T Video-Phone. We all knew we would all have one of those
in ten years. Another lie from the "Phonee" company.


It will take a little longer before we have video phones in our flying 
cars.




You used to be able to go to things like the New York World's Fair, or 
the larger state fairs, or even the Los Angeles County Fair and actually 
use one of those video phones, or see someone using it.  There are some 
memories from my childhood which my misspent youth did not wipe out!


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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

> On 3/18/10 4:23 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
>> Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966
>>> " lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?
>>> 
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview
>>> 
>>> --
>> 
>> That is an AT&T Video-Phone. We all knew we would all have one of those
>> in ten years. Another lie from the "Phonee" company.
> 
> It will take a little longer before we have video phones in our flying cars.
> 
Steve Jobs copied the Philco 1959 TV for the G4 Flower Pot.


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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Clark Martin]

On 3/18/10 4:23 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966
" lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview

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That is an AT&T Video-Phone. We all knew we would all have one of those
in ten years. Another lie from the "Phonee" company.


It will take a little longer before we have video phones in our flying cars.

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Dennis Myhand]

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966 " 
lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview

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in ten years.  Another lie from the "Phonee" company.


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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Tim Gochnour]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



Some folks have no imagination and like to spoil the dreams of others.

Besides who ever saw a TV shaped like a an overturned lampshade?



We will have NO old fart fights in here!

LOL

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

Some folks have no imagination and like to spoil the dreams of others.

Besides who ever saw a TV shaped like a an overturned lampshade?

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Re: OT 1966 iMac

[Clark Martin]

On 3/18/10 4:00 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966 "
lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview


That's called a "TV".  There were some that looked like that way back when.
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OT 1966 iMac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

Can anyone tell me, do my eyes deceive me or is this an ad for a 1966 "
lampshade iMac doing iSight conferencing on the desk ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4431295044/#preview

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Re: iMac G5 isight, frequent Kernal Panics, inspite reinstalled OS Tiger

[Mark Sokolovsky]

sorry. what i said wasn't a generalization, i based it on what happened to
my friend's computer problem. if i misled you, then i obviously didnt know
what i was saying. i was half asleep and i just was about done from work.

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Re: Virtual PC system risk?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


I am not a user of Virtual PC myself but some of you may be.

This article may be informative for you. ( or not )

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5742&tag=nl.e550


This information does NOT apply to the versions of Virtual PC sold for  
the Mac, only the modern ones that run under Windows.


MS bought the company and the product, promptly killed the Mac version  
and rolled it into Windows as their VM solution, to head off VMWare's  
advances into the Windows virtualization world.


from the article:

"Affected software includes Microsoft Virtual PC 2007, Virtual PC 2007  
SP1, Windows Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server 2005. On Windows  
7 the XP Mode feature is also affected by the vulnerability."


The REALLY troubling feature of this story is that last little bit  
about Windows 7.


When you run an XP mode application in Win7 YOU DON'T KNOW you're  
running Virtual PC. This would be akin to a bug in Rosetta or Classic  
mode allowing PPC application or a Classic OS Application bug to let  
you attack the OS X host system.


I'm SOO GLAD I'm using a rationally designed OS!

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Virtual PC system risk?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

I am not a user of Virtual PC myself but some of you may be.

This article may be informative for you. ( or not )

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5742&tag=nl.e550

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 1:41 PM -0400 3/18/2010, iJohn wrote:

Perhaps I'm just not pressing it hard enough? However, I have had
Safari open with "a few" tabs for a few days now and haven't seen run
away memory usage. Up until your last post I had assumed this was
probably just a PPC related bug. (Couldn't think of any reason it
would be CPU specific, it just seemed that way from the anecdotes I'd
read).

Have you got a series of steps that one can follow to try to reproduce
this memory leak in Safari 4? If so I might be able to give it a try
in Snow Leopard to see what happens on my MacBook.


Have Activity Monitor running.
Launch Safari.
Note the VM size.
Open a bunch of pages in tabs or windows.
Note the VM size.
Close the windows.
The VM size should drop to nearly what it was the first time you looked.
Continue...
Notice that the VM size makes big increases and only tiny decreases...

Another indication:  Enable world leak checking from Safari's Debug 
menu.  Then see if you get the leak dialog when you close the 
windows...


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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 9:47 AM -0700 3/18/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Dan wrote:

Is this just happening under Tiger 10.4.11? or Leopard 10.5.8, too?
Or is this just a SLeopard happening?


I'm seeing it in Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.  The bug is in 
Safari 4 or the underlying WebKit.  It occurs when using the latest 
WebKit nightly build.


OMG. I've read that Microsoft is considering basing IE9 (their next 
version) on WebKit. FSM save us all if they're contributing code 
back to the project! AIEEE!


And the Moz guys are dumping most of their javascript engine - going 
with SquirrelFish, out of the WebKit repository.


One Ring to rule them all, +/- some bad coding.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[iJohn]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Dan  wrote:
>
> I'm seeing it in Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.
> The bug is in Safari 4 or the underlying WebKit.
>

Part of the reason for my previous post was to implicitly point out
that I do NOT think I am seeing this memory leak in Safari 4.0.5 in
Snow Leopard.

Perhaps I'm just not pressing it hard enough? However, I have had
Safari open with "a few" tabs for a few days now and haven't seen run
away memory usage. Up until your last post I had assumed this was
probably just a PPC related bug. (Couldn't think of any reason it
would be CPU specific, it just seemed that way from the anecdotes I'd
read).

Have you got a series of steps that one can follow to try to reproduce
this memory leak in Safari 4? If so I might be able to give it a try
in Snow Leopard to see what happens on my MacBook.

-irrational john

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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Dan wrote:


Is this just happening under Tiger 10.4.11? or Leopard 10.5.8, too?
Or is this just a SLeopard happening?


I'm seeing it in Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.  The bug is in  
Safari 4 or the underlying WebKit.  It occurs when using the latest  
WebKit nightly build.



OMG.

I've read that Microsoft is considering  basing IE9 (their next  
version) on WebKit. FSM save us all if they're contributing code back  
to the project!


AIEEE!

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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 10:47 AM -0400 3/18/2010, Bill Connelly wrote:


What are the other symptoms of this event? kp-s?


As the VM size grows, the OS has to allocate more swap files 
(/private/var/vm/).  Safari et al will get slower and slower as the 
system starts to thrash (excessive paging of virtual memory to/from 
disk).  Other apps could fail as you run out of disk space.


I haven't seen it cause a kernel panic.  I would think that when 
Safari hits the vm limits (8 GB in a ppc mac), the memory allocation 
request will fail and the app will either complain or crash.



Is this just happening under Tiger 10.4.11? or Leopard 10.5.8, too?
Or is this just a SLeopard happening?


I'm seeing it in Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.  The bug is in 
Safari 4 or the underlying WebKit.  It occurs when using the latest 
WebKit nightly build.  It seems to be much worse in Safari 4.0.5 than 
previous.  It occurs in naked Safari, so while various inputmanagers 
and plug-ins (eg Flash) may contribute their own leaks, they are not 
the cause of this gigantic sink hole.


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Re: iMac G5 isight, frequent Kernal Panics, inspite reinstalled OS Tiger

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


 G5 processors were made before people were careful
at how they built them, so I wouldn't expect a G5 iMac to survive  
having 10
programs on at once (even with decent system resources) for more  
than a

minute without running into a "kernel panic".



Wow, that's a big-ass pile o' misinformation.

The G5 iMacs were pretty good designs (and people *were* 'careful at  
how they built them') marred by being made at the height of the  
Capacitor Plague. 


I guran-damn-tee that when you open that G5 that's KP-ing, it's got  
bulging caps on the logic board, somewhere.


The only fix is replace the caps (there are kits for DIY and services  
that'll do it for you) or replace the logic board with a known good one.


The cooling system on the G5 iMacs was as efficient as could be done,  
given the constraints of the system.


And yes, a G5 with a good logic board can run more than 10 programs at  
once without overheating.


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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Dan wrote:


At 3:14 AM -0500 3/18/2010, Kris Tilford wrote:

>On Mar 15, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Dan wrote:
Anyone seeing a memory leak in Safari - it's just growing and  
growing?

>>Mine seems large:
>>CPU%:21.2
>>Threads:   27
>>Real Memory:782.42 MB

Virtual Memory:   1.97 GB



Yeow.  And what happens when you close all windows?  Does it reduce?


Don't know, I don't want to close all the windows.

I'm using GLIMS. Safari crashed, and upon relaunch with all windows  
returned to previous conditions the new usage was:


CPU%: 9.3
Threads:   17
Real Memory:337.42 MB
Virtual Memory:   1.13 GB

I'd say the differences must be the memory leak?


Yea.  Nearly a gig'o'leak!  And probably as much as 30% of your  
current vm is all leak too.


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Is this just happening under Tiger 10.4.11? or Leopard 10.5.8, too?

Or is this just a SLeopard happening?

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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 3:14 AM -0500 3/18/2010, Kris Tilford wrote:

 >On Mar 15, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Dan wrote:

Anyone seeing a memory leak in Safari - it's just growing and growing?

 >>Mine seems large:
 >>CPU%:21.2
 >>Threads:   27
 >>Real Memory:782.42 MB

Virtual Memory:   1.97 GB



Yeow.  And what happens when you close all windows?  Does it reduce?


Don't know, I don't want to close all the windows.

I'm using GLIMS. Safari crashed, and upon relaunch with all windows 
returned to previous conditions the new usage was:


CPU%: 9.3
Threads:   17
Real Memory:337.42 MB
Virtual Memory:   1.13 GB

I'd say the differences must be the memory leak?


Yea.  Nearly a gig'o'leak!  And probably as much as 30% of your 
current vm is all leak too.


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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Kris Tilford]

>On Mar 15, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Dan wrote:
>>>Anyone seeing a memory leak in Safari - it's just growing and  
growing?


>>Mine seems large:

>>CPU%:21.2
>>Threads:   27
>>Real Memory:782.42 MB
>>Virtual Memory:   1.97 GB


>Yeow.  And what happens when you close all windows?  Does it reduce?

Don't know, I don't want to close all the windows.

I'm using GLIMS. Safari crashed, and upon relaunch with all windows  
returned to previous conditions the new usage was:


CPU%: 9.3

Threads:   17

Real Memory:337.42 MB
Virtual Memory:   1.13 GB

I'd say the differences must be the memory leak?

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