Re: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

2010-05-31 Thread ah...clem
On May 30, 7:58 pm, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you tried just connecting the Pioneer drive to the same cable and
 port that the Seagate is connected?
 Give it a try and see what happens.


thanks.  but i did try the obvious.  the cables are both good.  had 2
HDs connected, no problem.  also booted from an IDE HD and system
still would not see DVD when it was the only thing on the PCI/SATA
card.  in fact, it wouldn't even see the ACard when only the DVD was
attached, tho it does see the ACard when nothing is attached, and when
the boot HD is on the other SATA port.  just won't see the DVD.

and the DVD drive is brand new Pioneer DVR-218L, right out of the box.

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Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

2010-05-31 Thread Ralph Green
Howdy,
  I'd say it depends on what you use the computer for.  Is it your only
computer or one of 10(although I don't know how anyone would get by with
only 10 computers)?
 If it is your main computer, then go with an up to date Linux, because
of security.  A 1st class firewall can help, but for some things, you
need to stay up to date.
 I thought the Linux versus Mac quote was cute.  I don't think that
fully explains why Linux is so much better for most purposes.
Partially, that is because a lot of Linux code is contributed by people
who are paid to work on the system, just like Apple employees.  It also
does not explain why OSes with active and loyal contributers like Haiku
and Syllable are not further along.
 All of these OSes have good uses and I would miss OSX, if I ever have
to give it up.  I suppose my G4 and an eventual G5 will wear out after a
while.  But, I don't think I'll ever have 30 OSX machines, like I have
that many Linux machines now.
Have a good day,
Ralph

On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 18:28 -0500, Daniel Stewart wrote:
 Well yeah that is kind of what defines open source, but you could say
 the same thing about Windows and with the exception on Windows 7  I
 have found nothing more reliable then the open source stuff on the PC
 side.  I am wondering if I would be better going with an out of date,
 and unsupported version os OS X or a distro of Linux that will
 continue to be supported and developped by enthusiasts.
 
 On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:
  Scotty wrote:
 OS-X is what happens when you pay the
  programmers.  Linux is what happens when you talk them into volunteering.
   Peace, Dennis in Victoria


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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread larry moore shirley allan

On 30/05/10 10:02 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

On May 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

   

On May 30, 2010, at 6:39 PM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:

 

A rescue G4,  with one slot of memory populated,
   

Someone was selling a full set of RAM that fits for $5 on LEM-Swap yesterday. 
It's probably gone now, but this Mac should use RAM that's really cheap now 
used. The difference between 9.2.2 and 10.4.11 like the difference between 
walking a rocky trail where you trip on your face from time-to-time and driving 
on a paved street where you may need to stop for gas periodically. If this is 
for an older person that doesn't know much Mac stuff, OS X is the better option 
simply because of the stability in my opinion.

 


Yeah I second that, Tiger is much easier to keep up, but I still remember the 
kicking and screaming along the route away from my OS 9.
Now I only boot it because I have a CAD/CAM that requires Dongle that only runs 
booted in 7,8,9.
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP


   
I loaded linux on her G4 but I couldn't interest in her in Gnome. No 
Chris's Puzzle.


What versions of OSX allow running Classis Mac applications and is there 
a GUI

*very* similar to OS9?

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Re: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

2010-05-31 Thread Bill Connelly


On May 31, 2010, at 2:54 AM, ah...clem wrote:


On May 30, 7:58 pm, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote:


Have you tried just connecting the Pioneer drive to the same cable  
and

port that the Seagate is connected?
Give it a try and see what happens.



thanks.  but i did try the obvious.  the cables are both good.  had 2
HDs connected, no problem.  also booted from an IDE HD and system
still would not see DVD when it was the only thing on the PCI/SATA
card.  in fact, it wouldn't even see the ACard when only the DVD was
attached, tho it does see the ACard when nothing is attached, and when
the boot HD is on the other SATA port.  just won't see the DVD.

and the DVD drive is brand new Pioneer DVR-218L, right out of the box.



I thought I read somewhere that, at least my FirmTek SeriTek/ 
1S2Internal Serial ATA Host Adapter, that I use in my Digital Audio  
Dual 533, only supports the SATA HDs, and not DVD drives. Am I wrong?  
Was trying to find it, but I cannot remember where it is ... maybe an  
OWC Tech Support told me so?


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Re: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

2010-05-31 Thread Bill Connelly


The other thing I thought of ... does your SATA cable come loose when  
you shut the tower's door? Those cables don't seem to fasten very  
snugly ... some are right angled at one end, may look good when the  
door is open, but angled wrong when shut ... maybe that is part of the  
issue ...


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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 31, 2010, at 3:29 AM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:
 
 What versions of OSX allow running Classis Mac applications

Up through 10.4.

 and is there a GUI
 *very* similar to OS9?

OS X != Linux. there is only one GUI.

That said switching to OSX  can be  problematic for OS 9 users. I've shepherded 
a number of people through the transition from Windows and Classic OS to OS X, 
and oddly the Windows folks pick it up more quickly.

My theory is that they're *expecting* large differences and so are more open to 
the changes, while OS X is JUST close enough to OS 9 to be familiar and just 
different enough to mess you up.

The single thing that causes the most heartburn are the simplified open and 
close dialogs in programs. Show her that clicking the reveal arrows to show the 
full file system interface, and that it has to be done on each program, but 
just once, and things will go a LOT more smoothly. 

(I had one professor frustrated enough to pack up his brand new G5 and ship it 
back over that What do you MEAN I can ONLY save things to Documents or the 
Desktop!!! And how do I find my other files!)

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Re: USB 3.0

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 30, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

 I believe you'll need a USB3.0 PCIe card funny it looks like USB 3.0 has 
 been out since late last year, but do you see it on Apple stuff? nope, not 
 yet. 

It's not on PC systems yet, either...

USB 1.0 was out for something like three years before the iMac, and until then 
you could count available USB devices without removing your socks. USB didn't 
take off until Apple forced the issue.

USB 3.0, is still very new, this article implies that mobo chipsets that 
support it are not yet available, meaning they've got to be added as discrete 
controllers, which themselves are just coming out...

http://tinyurl.com/39zvo5u This was posted just last Friday.

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Re: G5 printer duplexer?

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 30, 2010, at 6:00 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:

 I suggested a Google product (or Shopping) search, not a general Google 
 search:
 
 http://www.google.com/products?q=Epson+C12C802522hl=enaq=f
 
 I cannot believe that the Epson Duplexer is not available from any of the 
 25+ vendors.
 
 
 
 So far everyone says out of stock, order now or call for availiblity.

Well, lets see...we know the manufacturer, we know the manufacturer's part 
number, the manufacturer is still in businessmight it not make sense to 
call the manufacturer? 

They would certainly know if they still make it, who stocks it, etc. You might 
even be able to buy it directly from them...

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Anyone tried Logitech's LCC 3.2?

2010-05-31 Thread Bill Connelly
Under 10.5.8 on my Digital Audio Dual 533, I've been using an Apple AL  
KB and Mighty Mouse with great success, and wanted to switch to my  
Logitech MX Duo KB and Mouse.


I just tried Logitech's LCC 3.2 for my MX Wireless KB and Mouse ...

I'm getting double characters when trying to use the wireless KB, and  
the mouse sometimes acts erratically. Removing the LCC installed apps,  
I get weird KB malfunctions such as no alt-Q to quit an application,  
but my Start/alt/option-Q combination does that task.


Sort of like both the Apple  Logitech KB and Mouse app's and  
extension's are working in parallel.


According to an earlier G3-G5 post, which I found useful at the time,  
I tried to find the demonic Scroll Enhancer to remove it, but as yet  
don't see it:



... if you've installed LCC Scroll Enhancer, then you've added a VERY  
buggy evil

InputManager to your system -- that loads into EVERYTHING.  So the
first thing I would recommend, is that you rip it out...

To do this, you have to manually remove *ALL* of LCC Scroll Enhancer:

/Library/Application Enhancers/LCC Scroll Enhancer.ape/
/Library/Application Support/Logitech/LCC Scroll Enhancer.bundle
/Library/InputManagers/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader
/Library/ScriptingAdditions/LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader.osax

The .ape might not be there, if you're using a more up to date
version of LCC.

After removing the above, go check your user ~/Library/ folder for
the same.

Then, Reboot to make changes be released all other softwares.

Download and install Spark and MouseZoom from versiontracker:

Spark: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22675
MouseZoom: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12205


Any new experience and suggestions?




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Re: USB 3.0

2010-05-31 Thread Peter Haas


On May 31, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Albert Carter wrote:

There are many many motherboards out that support and have USB 3.0  
and SATA6 on them. All you need to do is a search on NewEgg to find  
that out.


Have for quite a few months now.

Gigabyte is using a new suffix to indicate the presence of these  
advanced features.


I count at least a dozen distinct Gigabytes, in the 45- and 55-series  
of Intel mobos which have one or both of those advanced features, and  
a like number of AMD mobos with the same features.



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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread Kris Tilford


On May 31, 2010, at 5:29 AM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:

What versions of OSX allow running Classis Mac applications and is  
there a GUI

*very* similar to OS9?


10.4.11 is the last Classic environment version of OS X, although with  
X11 installed SheepShaver can run MacOS apps in any version. You can  
install FruitMenu or Classic Menu to return some of the OS 9 Apple  
Menu GUI to OS X. I've tried both and prefer FruitMenu, which I  
couldn't get along without.


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PowerMac G3- G4 Upgrade Aftermath.

2010-05-31 Thread Gus
Well the Yikes board slipped right into the BW.  I did have to scrap
they keyboard and mouse because they were ADB.  I noticed on the Yikes
board that there was a place for the connector to go.  I don't know if
putting the surface mount capacitors and swapping the plug would allow
ADB operations?  Wonder if anyone took the time to find out way back
when?

I have a USB keyboard.  But it doesn't allow me to zap the pram or
enter verbose mode.  I haven't tried holding down the C key to see if
it will boot off the CD.  I have my doubts that it will.

So..  It looks like I will have to buy an apple keyboard to get those
features to work.  Any suggestions?

The old MB or Processor must have had something wrong with them.  They
were often giving me freezes and the multi-language page. I have been
up with the Yikes board for 15 hours now without a glitch.   When I
get my esr meter constructed I will check out the yellow caps on the
board.  Who knows?

The most common failure would occur when transferring files on the
local network.  For some reason a file over 800 meg would cause the G3
board to crash. (among other things).  Thankfully that is gone now.
Transfered 8 gig without a crash.

I did transplant the memory and video card from the old board.  Seems
to be okay.  Maybe the G3 processor can go into my old Beige G3 that
is sitting next to it running Tiger.

The yikes board and processor was cheap enough and very easy to swap.
So all in all I think it was a worth while thing.

Well thanks for all that contributed with Ideas.

See ya on the web!

Gus

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Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce - in Orlando
Quoth the Shutterfly message:

Shutterfly Sites requires one of the following browsers:

Internet Explorer 6.0 +

FireFox 1.5 +

Safari 3.0 + (except 3.0.4)

© Copyright Shutterfly 1999-2010. All rights reserved.

Anyway, I guess I don't mind upgrading Safari all that much ...

Bruce - in Orlando

On May 30, 10:29 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:
 At 6:41 AM -0700 5/30/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote:

 I just tried to go to my high school reunion social networking site
 (which is on Shutterfly).  I seems that it requires Safari 3.0 or
 higher, EXCEPT 3.0.4.  Naturally, that's what I have on my MDD running
 10.4.  Being a naturally suspicious person, I want to know why this
 site would hate 3.0.4 so much before I download an upgrade just to
 make Shutterfly happy.  Does anybody know?  Should I hate Safari 3.0.4
 too?

 Never heard of this.  Perhaps something is coded to incorrectly check
 the browser version?  Exactly what/where says it doesn't like Safari
 3.0.4?

 Shutterfly's help area says:
      - Firefox 2.0 or higher for PC or Mac
      - Safari 2.0 or higher for Mac

 Aside... Since you're running Tiger, you should be fully updated to
 10.4.11 and Safari 4.0.5...

 - Dan.
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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread larry moore shirley allan

On 31/05/10 02:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On May 31, 2010, at 5:29 AM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:

What versions of OSX allow running Classis Mac applications and is 
there a GUI

*very* similar to OS9?


10.4.11 is the last Classic environment version of OS X, although with 
X11 installed SheepShaver can run MacOS apps in any version. You can 
install FruitMenu or Classic Menu to return some of the OS 9 Apple 
Menu GUI to OS X. I've tried both and prefer FruitMenu, which I 
couldn't get along without.



Noted.  Will 10.4.11 boot if there's only 128MB of RAM?

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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread John Carmonne

On May 31, 2010, at 4:29 PM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:

 On 31/05/10 02:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
 
 On May 31, 2010, at 5:29 AM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:
 
 What versions of OSX allow running Classis Mac applications and is there a 
 GUI
 *very* similar to OS9?
 
 10.4.11 is the last Classic environment version of OS X, although with X11 
 installed SheepShaver can run MacOS apps in any version. You can install 
 FruitMenu or Classic Menu to return some of the OS 9 Apple Menu GUI to OS X. 
 I've tried both and prefer FruitMenu, which I couldn't get along without.
 
 Noted.  Will 10.4.11 boot if there's only 128MB of RAM?
 
Yes it wiil boot but Tiger likes RAM, what machine do you have? Model? how many 
sticks of RAM?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread larry moore shirley allan

On 31/05/10 07:39 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

On May 31, 2010, at 4:29 PM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:

   

On 31/05/10 02:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
 

On May 31, 2010, at 5:29 AM, larry moore  shirley allan wrote:

   

What versions of OSX allow running Classis Mac applications and is there a GUI
*very* similar to OS9?
 

10.4.11 is the last Classic environment version of OS X, although with X11 
installed SheepShaver can run MacOS apps in any version. You can install 
FruitMenu or Classic Menu to return some of the OS 9 Apple Menu GUI to OS X. 
I've tried both and prefer FruitMenu, which I couldn't get along without.

   

Noted.  Will 10.4.11 boot if there's only 128MB of RAM?

 

Yes it wiil boot but Tiger likes RAM, what machine do you have? Model? how many 
sticks of RAM?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP


   

ID: 406, BW G4/450 AGP with only the end slot of RAM populated.



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Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows

2010-05-31 Thread Vic Mabus




http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Windows?from=rss


 

by rolfwind (528248)
   on
Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200)


   
  
  Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor
and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is
gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright
monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body,
it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor.
  
  


Great! One more thing to worry about...


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Missing mail

2010-05-31 Thread John Carmonne
Hi All

I have a problem My Cubes 10.4.11 with my Apple Mail not showing in the mail 
window. I know it's there but it disapears until I reinstall the system. It 
shows the number of unread letters but I can't get it to show in the mail 
window. It works fine on my other machines, The Cubes seem to be the prioblem 
ones. Any Ideas? 

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4

2010-05-31 Thread Dan

At 2:07 PM -0700 5/31/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote:

Quoth the Shutterfly message:
Shutterfly Sites requires one of the following browsers:
Internet Explorer 6.0 +
FireFox 1.5 +
Safari 3.0 + (except 3.0.4)


Ok.  No idea what message is.  Is that something a Shutterfly 
employee emailed to you?  Is it an error message you're receiving? 
Is it a requirement for some particular function?  Might be worth 
asking them why, I guess.


When I look on Shutterfly's site, the only thing I'm finding is this page:

http://shutterfly-2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/384/kw/browser%20requirements


Anyway, I guess I don't mind upgrading Safari all that much ...


uh huh.

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Re: Missing mail

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce Johnson


On May 31, 2010, at 8:18 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



I have a problem My Cubes 10.4.11 with my Apple Mail not showing in  
the mail window. I know it's there but it disapears until I  
reinstall the system. It shows the number of unread letters but I  
can't get it to show in the mail window. It works fine on my other  
machines, The Cubes seem to be the prioblem ones. Any Ideas?


Try rebuilding the mailbox. (Mailbox  Rebuild) Re-installing the  
system does nothing to fix this.


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Re: Missing mail

2010-05-31 Thread John Carmonne

On May 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On May 31, 2010, at 8:18 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
 
 
 I have a problem My Cubes 10.4.11 with my Apple Mail not showing in the mail 
 window. I know it's there but it disapears until I reinstall the system. It 
 shows the number of unread letters but I can't get it to show in the mail 
 window. It works fine on my other machines, The Cubes seem to be the 
 prioblem ones. Any Ideas?
 
 Try rebuilding the mailbox. (Mailbox  Rebuild) Re-installing the system does 
 nothing to fix this.


Rebuild fixed it but it sure is a wierd ting it seemed to take forever to do 
anything. No progress indication and then after about 15 mins it was all 
there.:-) What does rebuild do? does it show progress while it's working?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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RE: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

2010-05-31 Thread Stewie de Young


 
  Noted.  Will 10.4.11 boot if there's only 128MB of RAM?
 
   
  Yes it wiil boot but Tiger likes RAM, what machine do you have? Model? how 
  many sticks of RAM?
 
  John Carmonne
  Yorba Linda USA
  Sent from my MBP
 
 
 
 ID: 406, BW G4/450 AGP with only the end slot of RAM populated.
 
Do yourself a huge favor and buy a 512mb stick of ram for that machine. They 
frequently go for $20-$25 here on the G3-5 list or LEMswap.

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