Launch at Startup
Hey folks, is there a place in the Mac OS where I can tell it what application to launch at startup? I know some applications have a place in their preferences where they can be set to launch at startup, but it seems I remember seeing a place in the Mac OS where I could make those settings? Thanks, James Morgan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Launch at Startup
You can do this either in the Accounts pane of System Preferences or by control- (right) clicking the item on the dock. James Morgan wrote: Hey folks, is there a place in the Mac OS where I can tell it what application to launch at startup? I know some applications have a place in their preferences where they can be set to launch at startup, but it seems I remember seeing a place in the Mac OS where I could make those settings? Thanks, James Morgan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Online backup ??
There is a program matching your inquiry, Crash Plan, and.you can back up to as many friends as you want. Or..use their website. My backup's backup it Time Machine. Cheerio On Jul 8, 8:07 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 1:08 PM -0700 7/8/2010, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Can't help but wonder if there's a market for software that will let two friends assign a drive to the other's backup. e.g. you and I both have a 1TB drive the other can use as BU. CarbonCopyCloner ChronoSync etc... And a very understanding ISP that doesn't mind when you upload that terabyte... Never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of mag tapes. Or,,, to update that a bit... Never underestimate the bandwidth of an SUV full of HDs and/or DVDs. Or,,, if you live in Comcast territory... Never underestimate the bandwidth of a VW Bug full of printouts. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
One of 3 reasons causes the click of death: 1: There is damage to the magnetic media on the platters themselves 2: The read head on one of the arms has died, causing the drive to not recognize one of the platters 3: The controller card screwed to the bottom of the drive has failed (#1 reason for the drive going south) In regards to the claim that no one brand drive is more prone to fail to another, I call BUNK on that claim! As a serviceman for computers around town, I will say that I will never own, nor recommend a Maxtor drive to anyone! Vintage, not so vintage, brand new...it doesn't seem to matter, these things just like to die without warning, even if not used all that much. At the trailing end of Western Digital's run of ball-bearing drives, the same seemed to apply to them, however since their move to the newer fluid bearings, they seem to be about average again...except for their green label drives anyway... A lot of people swear by Hitachi drives and I've never understood it. The Deathstar IBM drives were made by Hitachi during their entire run. The stigma hurt IBM so badly that they sold off the whole division to Hitachi over it. Hitachi drives do seem to be somewhat reliable nowadays, but their performance is terrible compared to other drives, especially in the same price range. I can't tell you the number of MacBook users that have had me replace the stock Hitachi HDD due to it being so terribly slow! Anyways.enough rambling! On Jul 8, 2010, at 11:29 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 8, 2010, at 3:59 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Google's studies of drive failure are the best data we have, http://tinyurl.com/2bfcgfp, the rest of the stuff I can find is exemplified by things like this http://tinyurl.com/36x6vqo which is quite possibly the stupidest experimental design for a statistical survey I've ever seen. I didn't know Iomega made hard drives... I'm with you on this Bruce, so when I got home I opened up my two Iomega 320 shirt drives and to my surprise if found two of them loaded with questionable Seagate Momentus HDDs so if one takes a dump like the article says may happen more so than the Iomega drive who do I call?Ghost Busters?. I opened the Deskstar and I can see the arm moving across the platers endlessly, That's the clicking noise. Why is it doing this. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:29 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I opened the Deskstar and I can see the arm moving across the platters endlessly, That's the clicking noise. Why is it doing this. I would assume it is trying to locate the beginning track but is unable to do so because of the damage caused when you opened the drive up. I can't understand why you would assume that the drive would operate just as well after opening the case? We're talking about operating tolerances that make a dust particle look like the size of your house relative to a mouse. (OK, that's a guess ... but I doubt I'm that far off ...) As to what may have caused the noise before you intervened, who knows? Did you look at the SMART data? Perhaps it had a bad sector it was trying to remap? I've got a Seagate 400GB which clicks that I've tried to test to death so I could get it replaced before the warranty expires. Instead it just keeps passing the diagnostic tests. What'cha gonna' do? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 8, 5:59 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I'm with you on this Bruce, so when I got home I opened up my two Iomega 320 shirt drives and to my surprise if found two of them loaded with questionable Seagate Momentus HDDs so if one takes a dump like the article says may happen more so than the Iomega drive who do I call?Ghost Busters?. What is questionable about the Momentus drives? My partner just had a Seagate 320GB Go Drive fail on her -- just clicks when I hook it up. So hoping it was a problem with the USB interface and not the drive, I opened it up and attached it to a different enclosure. I was able to recover all the data, but the thing wouldn't sustain a transfer larger than about a gigabyte. Oh, a couple of times I got lucky and managed three or four at a time. I'm not sure if that's the drive having problems, or the fact that I had it hooked up to a parallel ATA enclosure through a SATA-PATA adapter. The parallel enclosure has been solid with parallel drives, performing 50 - 400 GB transfers without hiccough. Anyway, I'm curious if these drives have a poor reputation, as I usually favor Seagate drives, but I recognize that every company makes a turkey every so often. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:26 AM, John Martz wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:29 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I opened the Deskstar and I can see the arm moving across the platters endlessly, That's the clicking noise. Why is it doing this. I would assume it is trying to locate the beginning track but is unable to do so because of the damage caused when you opened the drive up. This thing was well entered into the history book before I opened it up. just clicky clicky, none of my disk applications would work on it. So I wanted to see the inside before going to the trash heap. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 1:26 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:47 AM -0700 7/8/2010, t...@io.com wrote: By freezing/lock up, it doesn't lock up the computer. The copy just stops progressing and the drive stops responding. The host computer is fine. And when that happens, what error messages are being thrown in the system log? OS X rarely does anything quietly. *Always* check the logs! Dan, thanks for the suggestion. That is an interesting question. Unfortunately, I am quite unskilled with OSX. Back in the day I was accomplished with the various pre-X operating systems, but I've never had the time and interest to do all the magazine and book reading and fiddling to acquire the same skills in X. Anyway, that's all a long way of saying: where do I find the system log? Would it make sense to check it in a terminal window? I'm a reasonable Unix user (nothing resembling a Unix administrator though). Does the Unix on OSX have vi? How far back does the log go? Should I bring up the log and then induce the error or can I check back a week to see the old error? Thank you. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 2:52 pm, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: That's the good. The not-so-good: Even though the fan speed can be adjusted somewhat, my only dislike is cooling fan noise, which they all have. Blessedly, my v3 turns off the fan when the drive isn't being used. That helps. But when the drive is being used on my MiniStacks, the cooling fan is the noisiest thing on my desktop. I'm talking a multi-function printer/etc., a couple of Intel iMacs, non-fan cooled external drives, a NewerTech SATA Voyager, and various and sundry Macs being refurbished also running at the same time. I *always* notice when the MiniStack cooling fan/fans are running. YMMV. Thank you to all who replied. It sounds like reliability won't be a problem, but noise might be. I guess I'll just have to try it out to see if the noise is an issue or not. While it is true that the fan is doing its job, a different case design might not need as much fan activity to provide cooling. So other enclosures could probably be quieter, but also take up more space. The ministack case concept is kind of thermally challenged from the get-go. But the tiny footprint is seductive. I recently bought a G4 Mac Mini to use as my iTunes server for the house. I have a bunch of Roku Sound Bridges. The Mini's internal 2.5 PATA options just aren't going to be quite big enough. I bought the Mini so that the server won't use much space, so it would kind of defeat the goal if the external storage take up a lot of space. On the other hand, I'd like it to be unobtrusive in the noise department as well... Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 2:21 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I believe they suggested a particular partitioning scheme to forego any issues with size ... IIRC, less than 1TB for the largest. May have changed with a later firmware. Got it from owcomputing on or about August 2009. Hmmm. I was planning to put a 2 TB drive in the thing. Anyone know if this is still an issue? Perhaps it will say on Newer Tech's site... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Eric Herbert wrote: I can't tell you the number of MacBook users that have had me replace the stock Hitachi HDD due to it being so terribly slow! That's because the stock drives are 5400 rpm, or worse, 4200 in the earlier models of MacBook, iirc. The biggest nobrainer in ordering a new Mac is to upgrade to the 7200 rpm drive... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:55 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Anyway, that's all a long way of saying: where do I find the system log? Would it make sense to check it in a terminal window? I'm a reasonable Unix user (nothing resembling a Unix administrator though). Does the Unix on OSX have vi? How far back does the log go? Should I bring up the log and then induce the error or can I check back a week to see the old error? Yes to all of the above, but the easiest way to view the logs on a Mac are with the Console app, in the Utilities folder. By default it shows the console messages (in the unix meaning of the term 'console') If you click the Show Log List icon you can navigate to all the logs on the system. You can click 'clear display' then do whatever's failing to get just what goes on when that happens, or you can search, copy/paste, etc. Very useful. You can do it in Terminal as well, the system log and console log are /var/log/system.log and /var/log/messages respectively, just as you would expect. OS X IS a full fledged Unix, yes vi is there. You need to install the Developer Tools (available for free at developer.apple.com) to get gcc, header files, etc to compile programs. It's NOT a Linux, but a BSD flavor. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:55 AM, t...@io.com wrote: I'm a reasonable Unix user (nothing resembling a Unix administrator though). A good book to find, if you want is O'Reilly's Mac OSX for Unix Geeks, http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596003562 which may be generally useful, albeit quite old. Many things have changed slightly (OS X now uses bash instead of tcsh as the default shell, etc) but a a general guide it's useful. (And if you're anything of a Unix geek, you're used to this...we used to have a sign above our server bench that said You are in a maze of twisty little Unixes, each slightly different 8-) The main biggies for Unix geeks moving to OSX is that root is NOT a login user (if you need a root shell, do sudo -s), OSX doesn't use conf files (daemons and the like are managed via plists, and started by launchd not inetd), and Apple doesn't play well with stuff YOU install in /usr/local...System updates tend to replace the whole directory, rather than a file-level replacement. Fink and Macports get around this by putting things in /opt which Apple leaves alone. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
At 7:55 AM -0700 7/9/2010, t...@io.com wrote: On Jul 8, 1:26 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:47 AM -0700 7/8/2010, t...@io.com wrote: By freezing/lock up, it doesn't lock up the computer. The copy just stops progressing and the drive stops responding. The host computer is fine. And when that happens, what error messages are being thrown in the system log? OS X rarely does anything quietly. *Always* check the logs! where do I find the system log? The logs are stored in a number of places. Console.app (in /Applications/Utilities) will view them for you. Set it to show the Log List and you'll the whole list. Of interest here is system.log - at the top of the list. Peruse as much as you want. It's all read-only. You'll need to be doing this from an admin account, to see the protected logs. How far back does the log go? The logs go on forever, unless they've been purged. The system maintenance scripts, that run overnight, rotate compress and purge them, so, normally... system.log will contain everything since its 3am rollover. And console.log will contain everything since you logged in. Should I bring up the log and then induce the error or can I check back a week to see the old error? Easiest is to display the log in Console.app, then cause the error and note what gets thrown into the window (it's a live r/o view). Or you can scroll away... but so much gets sent there, it's tuff to find old stuff. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:51 AM, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: My partner just had a Seagate 320GB Go Drive fail on her -- just clicks when I hook it up. Was the drive inside the enclosure actually a Seagate drive? I vaguely remember people claiming to have opened up a Seagate external and finding some other manufacturer's label (Toshiba?) on the drive inside. I wouldn't expect Seagate to do this, but who knows? Seagate certainly does strongly insist that a customer NEVER open up its external drives ... :-) With external drives that are powered from the USB bus it's always a good idea to make sure that it is not a power issue. My Seagate Go will not attach if I use a USB cable that is too long, but so long as I use a short cable it still seems to work fine. Haven't seen anything seriously troubled in the SMART data either other than a Reallocated Sector Count of 35. While this is not special. But so long as it doesn't continue to increase it's just a sign that the firmware error recovery is doing what it was designed to do. Sounds like you had that covered though since you removed the drive and powered it from an external supply, yes? I assume the Seagate Go was out of warranty? Because if Seagate can determine you opened it up they probably would refuse to replace it under warranty. I believe the Seagate Go's have a five year warranty, not three. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 9, 10:07 am, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: On Jul 8, 2:21 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I believe they suggested a particular partitioning scheme to forego any issues with size ... IIRC, less than 1TB for the largest. May have changed with a later firmware. Got it from owcomputing on or about August 2009. Hmmm. I was planning to put a 2 TB drive in the thing. Anyone know if this is still an issue? Perhaps it will say on Newer Tech's site... Nope, nothing I could find either under Product or under Support (checked the manual) on their site. I'm going to assume that isn't an issue any more, I guess. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Attatch PDF to mail PITA
Hi All As of late I've been having trouble attaching PDF files to an Email, When I attach or drag a PDF to the message it blows open on the page. I don't want that, I want the file to be in PDF form. The only way I can stop this is to Zip it. I'm sure I have a setting or something wrong. Any one have the same problem? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attatch PDF to mail PITA
On Jul 9, 2010, at 8:54 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All As of late I've been having trouble attaching PDF files to an Email, When I attach or drag a PDF to the message it blows open on the page. I don't want that, I want the file to be in PDF form. The only way I can stop this is to Zip it. I'm sure I have a setting or something wrong. Any one have the same problem? This is normal, it's still attached as a PDF, it's just that PDF's are one of the files that Mail normally shows inline in the message, like pictures. just attach and send. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attatch PDF to mail PITA
On Jul 9, 2010, at 11:54 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All As of late I've been having trouble attaching PDF files to an Email, When I attach or drag a PDF to the message it blows open on the page. I don't want that, I want the file to be in PDF form. The only way I can stop this is to Zip it. I'm sure I have a setting or something wrong. Any one have the same problem? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 Mail displays 1 page pdfs instead of the icon in the outgoing messages because it can and it thinks you want to see it. It is still sending it as an attached pdf. I send many multi-pdf emails. Frequently 1 multipage pdf and a few single page ones in the same email. Mail displays all the single page ones in the outgoing email and a pdf icon for the multipage. The recipient still gets them all as pdfs. One of those features that fails Bruce Tognazzini's user interface tests (asktog.com). Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attatch PDF to mail PITA
On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 11:54 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All As of late I've been having trouble attaching PDF files to an Email, When I attach or drag a PDF to the message it blows open on the page. I don't want that, I want the file to be in PDF form. The only way I can stop this is to Zip it. I'm sure I have a setting or something wrong. Any one have the same problem? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 Mail displays 1 page pdfs instead of the icon in the outgoing messages because it can and it thinks you want to see it. It is still sending it as an attached pdf. I send many multi-pdf emails. Frequently 1 multipage pdf and a few single page ones in the same email. Mail displays all the single page ones in the outgoing email and a pdf icon for the multipage. The recipient still gets them all as pdfs. I have tried sending them to myself and as the recipient when I open the mail the PDF blows open. I don't want every one in the next cubicle to see the PDF until the recipient does. This seems to be a new occurrence. Also I think it's mostly on my MBP 10.6.4. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Cube fan voltage
Hi All I know the Cubes didn't come with a fan but there is a slot for a 80mm fan and a plug for it on the VRM board. I saw some 80mm fans for sale but I don't know what the voltage is on the board for the fan, Short of opening it up and the multimeter does anyone know this? I want to order the fans but I'm not at home to test the Cube. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attatch PDF to mail PITA
On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:23 PM, john CARMONNE wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 11:54 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All As of late I've been having trouble attaching PDF files to an Email, When I attach or drag a PDF to the message it blows open on the page. I don't want that, I want the file to be in PDF form. The only way I can stop this is to Zip it. I'm sure I have a setting or something wrong. Any one have the same problem? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 Mail displays 1 page pdfs instead of the icon in the outgoing messages because it can and it thinks you want to see it. It is still sending it as an attached pdf. I send many multi-pdf emails. Frequently 1 multipage pdf and a few single page ones in the same email. Mail displays all the single page ones in the outgoing email and a pdf icon for the multipage. The recipient still gets them all as pdfs. I have tried sending them to myself and as the recipient when I open the mail the PDF blows open. I don't want every one in the next cubicle to see the PDF until the recipient does. This seems to be a new occurrence. Also I think it's mostly on my MBP 10.6.4. It is the default Mail way of doing things and I can not see a way to turn it off in 10.4. The only kludge I can think of is to add a bunch of blank lines at the end to make it a 2 page pdf. Then it will show up as the icon. That will at least save you the zip kludge workaround. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attatch PDF to mail PITA
On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:23 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: I have tried sending them to myself and as the recipient when I open the mail the PDF blows open. It doesn't Blow Open, any more than jpegs do. Check the attachments list, it will show them all. And if you drag that pdf from the mail message to the desktop you'll see that it saves it as the pdf file. I don't want every one in the next cubicle to see the PDF until the recipient does. This seems to be a new occurrence. Also I think it's mostly on my MBP 10.6.4. I recall seeing PDF's in earlier versions of Mail, but it may be a 10.6 thing. In any case you have NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER over what is seen on the recipient's mail client, so the fact that you can see it when you open the email has no bearing on whether the recipient can. (Also, as far as sending .zip files, be away that a LOT of companies block .zip attachments entirely; they're mainly used these days to send malware. We block 'em entirely.) As Len said, OS X displays one-page PDF's automatically in Mail. If you want to absolutely ensure that the recipient doesn't have them open 'prematurely', make a pdf of a blank page (open Text Edit, don't type anything, and go to print, click on PDF Save as pdf. Then open your pdf to send in Preview, enable to thumbnail view, and drag your one-page blank pdf into the thumbnail view after the content of your pdf. Save the resulting two-page pdf and send. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attatch PDF to mail PITA
On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:23 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: I don't want every one in the next cubicle to see the PDF until the recipient does. This seems to be a new occurrence. Also I think it's mostly on my MBP 10.6.4. I recall seeing PDF's in earlier versions of Mail, but it may be a 10.6 thing. 10.4 and 10.5 also. Don't remember earlier. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Online backup ??
On Jul 8, 8:48 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Check out Newegg i've been getting Hitachi 2TBs for $109. 00 about once a month whwn they throw a deal. My PM G5 has five of them. They have the Seagate LP ST32000542AS 2TB drive for $110 right now, but it has pretty terrible reviews.Then again, it also has the most reviews and folks with a bad experience are much more likely to review that folks with a good experience. So, I wonder, does this drive have an exceptional failure rate, or has Newegg just sold so many of them that they've managed to drum up a few score failures in the normal course of events? Generally, I like Seagates, because I assume that if they're giving a five year warranty, and every return blows their profit on one or two drives, then they'll put a little more effort into quality control. However, this particular model only has the three year warranty. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: That's because the stock drives are 5400 rpm, or worse, 4200 in the earlier models of MacBook, iirc. The biggest nobrainer in ordering a new Mac is to upgrade to the 7200 rpm drive... It's also because they are just plain slow compared to even more recent 5400 RPM drives. I ran a Windows benchmark tool, HD Tune Pro v4.5, against the OEM 160GB Hitachi HTS542516K9SA00 which came with my early 2008 white MacBook. I then compared that to the results for the 500GB Hitachi 5K500.B I upgraded the MacBook to. Both are 5400 RPM drives, but the newer drive benefits from higher track density due to tech which allows higher bit density platters. 160GB Hitachi versus (newer) 500GB Hitachi Sequential Read; Max56.2 versus 79.3 (MiB/sec)Average 45.2 versus 61.0 Min 28.9 versus 24.2 Burst Rate 98.0 versus 194.7 Looking at how the newer drive is faster on the outer tracks, I'm debating whether to bother revisiting my old cliche of partitioning the drive so the OS is on the faster outer tracks and just data (mostly videos I haven't watched yet) is on the slower inner tracks. Oh, well. Something for another day maybe. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 8, 10:47 am, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: Would anyone care to share their experiences with Newer Technology's MiniStack? Specifically version 2.5? I have three (actually now four) two 2.5 Mini stacks and whatever version came before that. I boot from the older one (80 G) and have a 1T drive and 250G drive daisied to it. I agree with the fan issue. seems to run than I'd like and is significant white noise. In general they work for me, but I'm interested in the problem you report. Here's my version. I've been using the 1T drive mostly to boot from when doing AV big file stuff so that I'd have sufficient scratch disc space. Occasionally when booted from the (lets call it a 2.0 mini) things freeze up with the spinning ball. If I eject the 1T drive the problem disappears. Maybe an address problem or something. I'll have to remember to find the Log next time. Otherwise I've been happy with the Mini Stacks and just bought another 2.5 with a 1T Seagate drive so that I can back up one to one. I also took advantage of a recent (current?) Seagate deal (see their site) on their 500G FreeAgent firewire drive. hth Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
Looking at how the newer drive is faster on the outer tracks, I'm debating whether to bother revisiting my old cliche of partitioning the drive so the OS is on the faster outer tracks and just data (mostly videos I haven't watched yet) is on the slower inner tracks. Oh, well. Something for another day maybe. -irrational john What determines the position of the partitions on the faster portion of the HDD? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On 7/9/10 6:43 AM, Eric Herbert wrote: *snip* A lot of people swear by Hitachi drives and I've never understood it. The Deathstar IBM drives were made by Hitachi during their entire run. The stigma hurt IBM so badly that they sold off the whole division to Hitachi over it. *snip* Cite? I happen to have a deathstar drive sitting here on my desk (I've not gotten around to taking it apart for the magnets), and no where on it does it say Hitachi (says that it was made in Thailand by IBM Storage Products). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 10:35 am, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:51 AM, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: My partner just had a Seagate 320GB Go Drive fail on her -- just clicks when I hook it up. Was the drive inside the enclosure actually a Seagate drive? It was a Seagate 320GB 2.5 SATA mechanism inside the Seagate Go drive enclosure. I don't remember if it was a Momentus (does Seagate have another 2.5 line?) or not. But it is definitely a Seagate mechanism in this case. With external drives that are powered from the USB bus it's always a good idea to make sure that it is not a power issue. My Seagate Go will not attach if I use a USB cable that is too long, but so long as I use a short cable it still seems to work fine. Yes. When she proudly brought the thing home from CostCo I'm afraid I was a bit undiplomatic. Rather than admiring it, I skeptically asked, Does it have an external power supply. and scowled when it turned out it did not. We do use USB hubs with external power supplies, so that should mitigate some, but she also hooked the thing up to her (Windows) laptop at work. Still, if the only problem was power, I would think it would have worked on one of the machines we tried it on, especially since it worked on them in the past. Sounds like you had that covered though since you removed the drive and powered it from an external supply, yes? Yes, the PATA enclosure I hooked it to was a 3.5 external PATA enclosure (actually a USB/Enet-NAS) with its own power supply. The only fly in the ointment was making the adaptation from the enclosure's PATA to the drive's SATA connections. But I already had an either-direction PATA-SATA adapter on hand, which I had never tried out. I assume the Seagate Go was out of warranty? Because if Seagate can determine you opened it up they probably would refuse to replace it under warranty. I believe the Seagate Go's have a five year warranty, not three. Nope. It's still in warranty. We discussed this before I opened it up. The possibility of retrieving her data (several years of photos) was worth far more than the warranty replacement on the drive. I'm still going to seal it back up and send it in. If they refuse, I'm out some postage. I am a little puzzled that I was able to retrieve the data. I felt certain that the clicking was a drive failure. But perhaps, as you suggest, the drive simply wasn't able to draw enough power from the USB bus any more. I guess if the power was marginal to begin with and some component degraded a bit (perhaps the drive mechanicals need a little more power with age...) then that would cause the drive to fail in the Go enclosure and work outside of it. That doesn't explain why the drive freezes at around 1 GB of file copies. But that could be the cheap PATA-SATA adapter I'm using for the recovery. Or it could be a failure in the drive of some sort, I suppose. The drive isn't secured to the enclosure I have it rigged on now. The funny thing is, that when I first started the recovery process, it actually got through about 16 GB of data. Then I moved something in the rig and accidentally jiggled the rube goldberg assembly and then noticed that the transfer was frozen. I don't know if that made it freeze, or if it had already frozen. After that, I could never get it to transfer more than about 2 GB at a time, and so had to do the transfer by folders and subfolders. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Justin The Cynical wrote: On 7/9/10 6:43 AM, Eric Herbert wrote: *snip* A lot of people swear by Hitachi drives and I've never understood it. The Deathstar IBM drives were made by Hitachi during their entire run. The stigma hurt IBM so badly that they sold off the whole division to Hitachi over it. *snip* Cite? I happen to have a deathstar drive sitting here on my desk (I've not gotten around to taking it apart for the magnets), and no where on it does it say Hitachi (says that it was made in Thailand by IBM Storage Products). For fear of sounding dumb. Just what does a person do with the magnets? Where are they in the drive. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:42 PM, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What determines the position of the partitions on the faster portion of the HDD? Drives store data on the outer tracks of the platter first, moving in towards the center as you store to higher numbered blocks/sectors. Referring to the graphic used in the partition section of Disk Utility, partitions closer to the top of the screen are on outer tracks. Moving down towards the bottom of the screen implies placement further down the disk and on the more inner tracks of the platter(s). At least that's how I've always understood how it works. The difference in the sequential access rates arises because the tracks on the outer edge of the platter have a higher tangential velocity than those nearer the center. (Simple playground merry-go-round physics) It can be argued that one will never see enough of a performance gain to be worth the hassle of dividing a drive into two partitions and constantly worrying about how to juggle your data between them. But since I'm one of those folks who likes to fiddle with their computer just for fiddling's sake, it's something I might try just for the sake of trying it. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:00 PM, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: For fear of sounding dumb. Just what does a person do with the magnets? Where are they in the drive. Strictly FWIW (... which obviously ain't all that much ...) http://superuser.com/questions/36340/what-to-do-with-old-hard-drives -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
At 12:00 -0700 7/9/10, john CARMONNE wrote: For fear of sounding dumb. Just what does a person do with the magnets? Where are they in the drive. One of the reasons for really small disks is that magnets made with rare-earth elements - Neodymium and Lanthanum in particular - can be much stronger than Alnico, soft iron, or ferrites of the past. I believe the alloy of choice for disks these days is Neodymium-Cobalt-Boron. The magnets react with electric current in a coil of wire on the read/write head for positioning along the radius of the disks. It's a lot like a voice coil in a speaker. There is a pivot point near a corner and the magnets will be just inside of that. Those rare earth elements are also finding use in the likes of a Toyota Prius motor/generator in larger quantities. A very real financial problem is showing up in that China is pretty much the only supplier of rare earth elements these days. It will require something like another gold rush to get the US of A up to snuff and I donno about other countries. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:22 PM, iJohn wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:42 PM, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What determines the position of the partitions on the faster portion of the HDD? Drives store data on the outer tracks of the platter first, moving in towards the center as you store to higher numbered blocks/sectors. Referring to the graphic used in the partition section of Disk Utility, partitions closer to the top of the screen are on outer tracks. Moving down towards the bottom of the screen implies placement further down the disk and on the more inner tracks of the platter(s). At least that's how I've always understood how it works. The difference in the sequential access rates arises because the tracks on the outer edge of the platter have a higher tangential velocity than those nearer the center. (Simple playground merry-go-round physics) It can be argued that one will never see enough of a performance gain to be worth the hassle of dividing a drive into two partitions and constantly worrying about how to juggle your data between them. But since I'm one of those folks who likes to fiddle with their computer just for fiddling's sake, it's something I might try just for the sake of trying it. Ah! precisely the reason that I'll be doing this from now on. Exercise my right to fiddle or pick pepper from fly sh-t. :-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On 7/9/10 12:00 PM, john CARMONNE wrote: *snip* For fear of sounding dumb. Just what does a person do with the magnets? Where are they in the drive. You don't sound dumb, not at all. A lot of people don't realize that a hard drive has magnets in them (kind of ironic, considering that a magnet is sudden death to magnetic media, such as hard drives). The magnet assembly sits at the end of the actuator arm, with part of the arm assembly 'sandwiched' in between the two magnets (some drives use a single magnet). If you look at the wikipedia article on hard disk drives, under the Architecture heading, it has a picture of the actuator arm and magnet assembly (the magnets are in the upper left area of the drive base in the picture). Hard drives used to have another motor that would position the drive arm and head assembly (the actuator), but that was replaced with the magnets and a voice coil assembly that uses the magnetic field from the main magnets and voice coil to position the arm. The voice coil is, as I understand it, quieter, more accurate, and a heck of a lot less likely to get out of calibration. I believe it takes less power and generates less heat as well. Any more detail than that, I can not provide as it can go deep into magnetic field and engineering theory and construction, both of which I have only a vague grasp of as well as lacking the brain cycles to fully understand at this point. :-) As for what does one do with them? Whatever one does with any magnet, just recall the magnets in a typical hard drive are /very/ strong (and I'm very serious about how strong they are). I've given myself blood blisters from the force these things have when being attracted to the appropriate metal. Right now, I've got a few of them holding various things on my refrigerator, like notes, an advert to the local take away pizza place, and a bottle opener for beer. :-) They are also great for fishing out metal parts that drop down a drain that one wouldn't be able to retrieve otherwise, as well as finding the ^%$^ tiny screws from a laptop that just fell on the floor. I also have one attached to my tool belt use it as a nail holder when I'm pulling out (or using) nails around the house and don't want to have to stick my hands in a pocket full of sharp pointy objects. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
What 100/10 NIC to use in Beige G3 to support OS9/OSX Tiger
I saw a few Apple 10/100 cards on ebay. I would think they would work without any problem in OS 9.2.2 but I am not sure about OS Tiger. My memory is vague on this, but wasn't there some issues with mixing apple TCP/IP card on a PC/Apple Network. I haven't had any problems with the onboard 10mb Ethernet that is on the Beige right now. Are there any 3rd party 100/10 vendors out there that still have the OS 9.2.2. system extensions on their website. I hope someone has been down this road before and can help me. I would appreciate any input!! Thanks! Gus. Beige Config: G3 processor @ 466mhz Memory 192 MB Scsi Boot to 9.2.2 with ATA OS X Tiger via Xpostfacto ATI 7200 video card (7000?) I forget the designation. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What 100/10 NIC to use in Beige G3 to support OS9/OSX Tiger
On Jul 9, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Gus wrote: I saw a few Apple 10/100 cards on ebay. I would think they would work without any problem in OS 9.2.2 but I am not sure about OS Tiger. Probably the best, most MacOS-compatible NIC out there is one based upon the R8169 gigabit E-net chip. Realtek even has an OS9 driver for it. The R8169 is native to MacOS X. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
To the dump!
Hello, I have just come into possession of 6 Mac Cpu's which are nearly identical with my DA G4. The newspaper I work for didn't know what to do with them. They didn't want to hassle with putting them up on eBay and spending the labor to ship them and they were just lying around. I offered to pay for one of them and they said no thanks you can just take it. I asked about the other five and they said I could take those too. So I did. While I was carting them out to my truck somebody asked me if I was going to the dump. Anyway, how do you tell which models these are? The slowest one is 400Mhz and the fastest is 500 Mhz. Keeping in mind that these were used were used at a newspaper the scrawniest one has a gig of ram and there is one that has 2gigs. The hard drives aren't much. I noticed a 40gig and an 80gig. The cases look identical but the motherboards seem to be of two different types and I don't know enough about this other than the pram batteries are in one or another spot. They are all supposed to run. I've only powered one of them up. It is set up with their network software and it comes up with their sign in screen. It asks for with Administration or Macuser. Fortunately, the password is macuser, I've worked there 19 years. I've learned how their passwords work. I've priced similar computers on eBay and the going asking price seems to be $30, shipping is about the same. I don't know what I'm going to do with these. Maybe I'll build a coffee table. Is there anything I should look out for? Also the newspaper has a bunch of dead screen LCD iMacs. They aren't sure what they're going to do with these. Are these hard to fix. Should I make an offer? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Dienstag 06 Juli 2010N From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth What is a 64 Sawtooth? Or do you meen you've 64 (pieces of) Sawtooth_s_? I'm now using Ubuntu on an Intel, but not Apple, box with a pair of Nvidia flat screens that work like a Mac only because of proprietary drivers from Nvidia. Currently they are developing nouveau – an open source accelerated driver for nVidia cards. But it's still experimental and unstable. May eventually also run on Macs, but I haven't had any luck so far: tried to compile it on a Mac G4 –which worked– but X11 wouldn't start. But I didn't try hard. My G4 runs OS neXt with four monitors two of which are still CRTs. How can I work with lots of monitors under Linux? Xinerama is either a POS or I haven't figured it out yet. Try xrandr and a modern desktop like Gnome or KDE. They should support this out-of-the-box. Just a quick search – Google found this: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01 There are propably a dozen more possible ways to accomplish this. I use all those monitors for CAD software, Vectorworks 12.5 on my G4 and I can't afford to keep it updated but it runs on Macs and peecees but not under any kind of Linux or UNIX. If I put Linux on my G4 I doubt that I will be able to use all of the screen space. I certainly can't if I use X-11 to log in to my existing Linux box. Do I get this right: you use the Mac only as an X11 client? This CAD software is running on a different machine? If so, this *could* be more complicated, but since I've never tried this, I really don't know. Could be easy as well. Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro-Engineer which are way out of my price range. CAD and anything alike is not my kind of expertise. I only have programs for Linux which are 1) open source (to be able to run on various platfroms: x86, amd64, ppc, ppc64, armv5, …) and 2) which is –as a natural concequence– free (in the sence of not costing any money). Sorry I can't be more help. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:00 PM, john CARMONNE wrote: I happen to have a deathstar drive sitting here on my desk (I've not gotten around to taking it apart for the magnets), and no where on it does it say Hitachi (says that it was made in Thailand by IBM Storage Products). For fear of sounding dumb. Just what does a person do with the magnets? Where are they in the drive. ON the rive you disassembled, they're in the corner where the read/write arme comes out of. You'll need to unde some screws and such. Most of them nowadays use a torx 8 or 10 screw to hold 'em together, just go to town on the drive with a set of hex or torx drivers. The screw holding the platters+motor in is under the label, as is one of the screws holding the case together. feel for the divots under the label and cut it away with an exacto or something. They make extraordinarily powerful fridge magnets...I've got one holding up about 25 sheets of 20lb xerox paper with recipes on 'em. You need to be careful, though and always make sure there's something between the fridge and the magnet, otherwise the only way to get them off is to push them off sideways which can scratch the hell out of the paint job. I've got some out of an old IBM SCSI drive that are REALLY powerful. I accidentally let two snap together and they shattered into a bazillion razor sharp shards. Be careful out there... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
At 22:53 +0200 7/9/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth What is a 64 Sawtooth? Or do you meen you've 64 (pieces of) Sawtooth_s_? Thanks for sticking around. Damn. I guess I was rushing. Read that MY G4 Sawtooth And Vectorworks is native on the Mac under OS 10. It was MiniCAD under the classic OS. XRandR looks interesting but off topic for this group, I' m on my way. X11 with multiple monitors is mostly screwed up on the G4 because of negative screen coordinates that are allowed in Apple OS but not by UNIX. Things might be better is all monitors are placed to the right and below the (0,0) graphic space which starts at the upper left of the startup screen. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Online backup ??
On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:34 AM, t...@io.com wrote: On Jul 8, 8:48 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Check out Newegg i've been getting Hitachi 2TBs for $109. 00 about once a month whwn they throw a deal. My PM G5 has five of them. They have the Seagate LP ST32000542AS 2TB drive for $110 right now, but it has pretty terrible reviews.Then again, it also has the most reviews and folks with a bad experience are much more likely to review that folks with a good experience. So, I wonder, does this drive have an exceptional failure rate, or has Newegg just sold so many of them that they've managed to drum up a few score failures in the normal course of events? Generally, I like Seagates, because I assume that if they're giving a five year warranty, and every return blows their profit on one or two drives, then they'll put a little more effort into quality control. However, this particular model only has the three year warranty. Jeff Walther First Seagate and Hitachi have been very good to me warranty wise, All my total losses have been Maxtor and IBM. I do read reviews and make note of the complaint as to what machine is it on also the the problem. I can discount a lot of them because I can usually pick out the WindBloze users and the operator errors. I will buy the Seagates first if the price is right I stay away from WD because of an eSATA problem but I'm sure that's the WD enclosure. So I will buy the Seagates and Hitachis whoever is cheapest and 7200 RPM. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my PM G5 2.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
On Jul 9, 12:54 pm, Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com wrote: In general they work for me, but I'm interested in the problem you report. Here's my version. I've been using the 1T drive mostly to boot from when doing AV big file stuff so that I'd have sufficient scratch disc space. Occasionally when booted from the (lets call it a 2.0 mini) things freeze up with the spinning ball. If I eject the 1T drive the problem disappears. Maybe an address problem or something. I'll have to remember to find the Log next time. If I remember to check the log files this weekend, I'll post about it in a new thread. This sounds like an issue which might be worth chasing in its own thread. if you beat me to it, why don't you start a new thread for it? Something along the lines of: USB Drive Losing Connection During Large Transfers or some such. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What 100/10 NIC to use in Beige G3 to support OS9/OSX Tiger
On Jul 9, 3:23 pm, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Gus wrote: I saw a few Apple 10/100 cards on ebay. I would think they would work without any problem in OS 9.2.2 but I am not sure about OS Tiger. Probably the best, most MacOS-compatible NIC out there is one based upon the R8169 gigabit E-net chip. Realtek even has an OS9 driver for it. The R8169 is native to MacOS X. And if you're lucky you can find the SIIG card which had a R8169 gigabit chip, NEC USB2.0 chip and TI firewire 400 chip (or did I get TI NEC backwards) all on the same card. :-) Let's see: SIIG Part #: JU-2NG011 When places were closing them out they were often available for under $30. I'm not sure if anyone ever got all three ports to work simultaneously, but when I look looking for drivers, I found the RealTek ones, and it is just as Peter writes. There are even drivers for OS 9. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: To the dump!
- Original Message From: smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com Anyway, how do you tell which models these are? The slowest one is 400Mhz and the fastest is 500 Mhz. Keeping in mind that these were used were used at a newspaper the scrawniest one has a gig of ram and there is one that has 2gigs. The hard drives aren't much. I noticed a 40gig and an 80gig. The cases look identical but the motherboards seem to be of two different types and I don't know enough about this other than the pram batteries are in one or another spot. Most likely Sawtooth's and maybe some Gigabit's. One quick way is to go to: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3082?viewlocale=en_US and http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25585?viewlocale=en_US and check the backside ports displayed in those articles with the ports on the Mac's you have. There is also site that will identify the G4's in their original configuration from the serial number: http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html These old G4's still useful for many tasks. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: To the dump!
Or MacTracker may help (available free at http://www.mactracker.com). I think most g4 had a label on the back that gave their original configuration...though the label might be gone by now, or stuff could have been added or removed. 'About this Mac' and then the 'More Information (Profiler)' may give better information on the current setup of each machine. 40 and 80 gig hard drives are a lot bigger than what would have been stock for those machines at the time they were built...looks like 10 gig was stock size, with options up to 40? So the 80 gig was either a custom build, or one that was swapped in. On 7/9/10 7:28 PM, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message From: smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com Anyway, how do you tell which models these are? The slowest one is 400Mhz and the fastest is 500 Mhz. Keeping in mind that these were used were used at a newspaper the scrawniest one has a gig of ram and there is one that has 2gigs. The hard drives aren't much. I noticed a 40gig and an 80gig. The cases look identical but the motherboards seem to be of two different types and I don't know enough about this other than the pram batteries are in one or another spot. Most likely Sawtooth's and maybe some Gigabit's. One quick way is to go to: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3082?viewlocale=en_US and http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25585?viewlocale=en_US and check the backside ports displayed in those articles with the ports on the Mac's you have. There is also site that will identify the G4's in their original configuration from the serial number: http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html These old G4's still useful for many tasks. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MiniStack Reviews, Experiences?
I've got three Ministacks, each with a Seagate 1.5 Tb drive. About 6 months old, with no problems. I bought several other fanless cases with Firewire 800 and usb 2, but the 1.5's were running too hot, and doing things like freezing the iMac on bootup, or freezing during long writes, when the cases would get to hot to touch comfortably. The ministacks also have the added bonus of turning off power when the 'puter is off. The downside is a small amount of background fan whisper. Regards Santa And what, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this.. Existence that multiplied itself For sheer delight of being And plunged with numberless trillions of forms So that it might find itself innumerably Sri Aurobindo -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
iMac weapon!
I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac weapon!
On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff Every first-gen iMac G5 I've seen has the same problem. The felt just doesn't create enough drag on a disc to overcome the awesome ejection mechanism. Apple's fix was to make an add-on split gasket available. The problem went away with second-gen and later G5 iMacs. Bruce Johnson made the same discovery recently. Kind of a shocker the first time it happens, isn't it? I've seen several fixes for the iMac G5 skeet trap. One involves taping a little basket to the side of the iMac. Another involves making a gasket out of thin foam slit for the disc and sandwiching it between the drive and the case, a la the Apple fix. I'm always amazed at what kind of goofy things manage to get past Apple's product engineers and design staff and make it all the way into the hands of innocent consumers. Hockey puck mice with no sense of direction. Magic mice with sharp edges and bad ergonomics. iMacs that act like skeet traps. Not to mention iMacs that want to be Hoover vacs. :^) Toss in the antics of up to 40 or so bad capacitors, and the iMac G5 is one of the most surprising and entertaining products Apple has produced. I had one that etched a quarter-inch white line halfway across the bottom of its 20-inch LCD five (5) times before Apple took it away. What fun! -- Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hoover effect? (was iMac Weapon)
Here I always thought the 'Hoover vacuum sweeper' award went to the g5 towers... If you don't understand what I mean, open the power supply on one that has been used sitting on the floor...or I can send you a picture to illustrate what happens? On 7/9/10 10:28 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff Every first-gen iMac G5 I've seen has the same problem. The felt just doesn't create enough drag on a disc to overcome the awesome ejection mechanism. Apple's fix was to make an add-on split gasket available. The problem went away with second-gen and later G5 iMacs. Bruce Johnson made the same discovery recently. Kind of a shocker the first time it happens, isn't it? I've seen several fixes for the iMac G5 skeet trap. One involves taping a little basket to the side of the iMac. Another involves making a gasket out of thin foam slit for the disc and sandwiching it between the drive and the case, a la the Apple fix. I'm always amazed at what kind of goofy things manage to get past Apple's product engineers and design staff and make it all the way into the hands of innocent consumers. Hockey puck mice with no sense of direction. Magic mice with sharp edges and bad ergonomics. iMacs that act like skeet traps. Not to mention iMacs that want to be Hoover vacs. :^) Toss in the antics of up to 40 or so bad capacitors, and the iMac G5 is one of the most surprising and entertaining products Apple has produced. I had one that etched a quarter-inch white line halfway across the bottom of its 20-inch LCD five (5) times before Apple took it away. What fun! -- Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac weapon!
Hey Jeff... On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff I have one of those beasties as well. I really wasn't aware of the disc spitting problem till I ejected my first DVD. Didn't go far at all... just sorta rolled out of the drive onto the desktop - floor. I was a little surprised, but thought it rather funny. My solution, when I'm too lazy to reach across the desk to grab the disc, is a wicker Easter basket with a microfiber towel right under the drive slot. Enjoy your G5! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac weapon!
On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: Hey Jeff... On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff I have one of those beasties as well. I really wasn't aware of the disc spitting problem till I ejected my first DVD. Didn't go far at all... just sorta rolled out of the drive onto the desktop - floor. I was a little surprised, but thought it rather funny. My solution, when I'm too lazy to reach across the desk to grab the disc, is a wicker Easter basket with a microfiber towel right under the drive slot. Enjoy your G5! Amanda Well, honestly? I've got more of these things than I should have! ..wait! the bathroom needs one..hmm :-) I might end up parting it out or selling it. Although my wife has her eye on it too funny. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: To the dump!
smac0031 wrote: Hello, I have just come into possession of 6 Mac Cpu's which are nearly identical with my DA G4. Anyway, how do you tell which models these are? From 2006: == Date: Sat, Jul 15 2006 11:17 am From: Len Gerstel On Jul 15, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: The only dumb question is the one not asked. I have had a Mac since a Lisa in 1989. It was a used one but I was hooked. I am seeing a lot MDD and other abbreviations. Does someone have a list of these abbreviations so I can understand what members are writing about. Please post here if you would. Please! Norm MDD stands for Mirror Drive Door, one of the PowerMac G4 series machines. Here is a rundown of the different machines. For other acronyms, there are many sites including acronyms.com. www.everymac.com will give you a good rundown of the differences between models, but hear is a quick rundown. The numbers following are the speeds in MHz the model was released with according to everymac. Beige-on this list refers to the first generation G3 machines in the same form factor as the 8600 (minitower, MT) and 7600 (desktop, DT) 233,266,300, 333 All of the following use the same basic case style, with internal differences BW Blue and White-the first New World Macs 100MHz bus speed G3 300, 350, 400, 450 Yikes-the first G4 tower released by Apple, basically a BW with a G4 zif, pci graphics and a grey and white case. The only real Road Apple G4 350 Sawtooth - The first G4s using 2x AGP graphics cards 350, 400, 450 Gigabit Ethernet-very similar to the Sawtooth, added faster ethernet and dual processors 400, 450 DP (dual processor), 500, 500 DP DA Digital Audio- upped the bus speed to 133MHz and upped the agp card slot to 4x. 466, 533, 533 DP, 667, 733 The case starts changing here, mostly the front panel. QS Quicksilver-Changed the front of the case to 2 oval bezels and allowed for the first time since the beige MT the installation of two 5 1/4 drives instead of one 5 1/4 and a zip. 733, 800, 800 DP, 867, 933, 1GHz DP MDD Mirror Drive Door-Upped the system bus to 167MHz and replaced the 2 oval bezels with 2 Mirrored rounded rectangle drive doors. also had 4 vent ports on the front for airflow. Early models had fan/airflow issues that gave them the nickname Windtunnel. Also, during the production run starting January 28, 2003, became the first Macs that would not boot into OS 9. 867 DP, 1GHz, 1GHz DP, 1.25GHz DP, 1.42GHz DP Then comes the G5. The case no official nickname, but affectionately called the Cheese Grater. Since the case did not change much during it's life span (all rumors point to WWDC in August as the end of the line for G based Macs), therefore there is no easy way to differentiate the variations. Because of that, it is difficult to tell whether the G5 1.8GHz you are looking at is the one from the middle of the line from the original G5 release or the speed starved entry level from the second generation just by looking at the case and processor speed. === I think I collected some more information on this topic before I settled on the MDD for my machine. A close reading of the Hardware Developer Notes (or probably everymac.com) for each model machine will show slight differences in things like number of RAM slots, number of PCI slots and types of PCI slots, making it possible to do a lot of distinguishing by careful examination of the logic board. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
