MDD 867 vs 1.0
I have 2 machines, both MDD, 1 an 867ghzdp the other a 1ghzdp. The 1ghz machine has a dead mother board. Can I swap the processors 1.0 the 867 machine? Or should I look at swapping the motherboards? Jeff Bequette -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Question about Power Mac G3/266 tabletop
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: Question about Power Mac G3/266 tabletop > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:43:36 +0100 > From: Ted Treen > Reply-To: ted.tr...@btinternet.com > To: Paul Cefola > > > > Paul Cefola wrote: >> Gents, >> >> I have a G3/266 tabletop which is running Mac OS 8.5.1. This machine was >> purchased by me during the fall of 1997. There were on the order of 20 >> system extensions that loaded during the start-up process.. >> >> The machine has some old files on it which are valuable to me -- both for my >> consulting work and also personal data. >> >> Recently I had the G3 keyboard go bad with the symptom that the Mac froze >> after the extensions started to load. >> >> Currently I have replaced the keyboard and have gotten the machine to boot >> while holding the shift key down (disabling the extensions). >> >> Since I have not changed the extensions for a long time, I suspect that I >> corrupted one of the extensions. >> >> My question is what do i do next to return this machine to a usable state? >> >> I am writing this on a Windows Vista machine. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Paul Cefola >> Maybe you already did this but would first try to boot with the "shift key" "opt key" and "command key" held down when the extensions off window shows let off the shift key and keep the "opt command" keys down till it asks to rebuild the desk top. If you're lucky this will straighten it out, otherwise Ted's method is the best way to go and when it's OK make an extra extension set copy just in case. John M Anaheim OC dadbe...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
At 1:49 AM -0400 9/26/2010, Charles Davis wrote: Sounds reasonable!!! But --- my impression was that the 'Dashboard' Widgets were 'useful little utilities, that were invoked by 'clicking on their Icon ON DASHBOARD. [But maybe thats too logical a way of looking at it.] People were expecting / wanted an equivalent of the old Desktop Accessory system from the Classic Mac OS. A *fast* and *easy* to use mechanism. But where the DA system used real applications, Dashboard is an interpreted JavaScript environment, essentially a rip-off of Konfabulator (which was later purchased by Yahoo and released as Yahoo! Widgets Engine). As such, it takes a while to start up (launch). That delay, to access such "simple" tools, would make people scream! So... Apple's solution is to p*ss 15 to 40 MB of your real memory (depends on how many widgets are enabled) and some % of your cpu, to launch Dashboard, then keep it running forever thereafter. Not one of Apple's best ideas. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Question about Power Mac G3/266 tabletop
Original Message Subject:Re: Question about Power Mac G3/266 tabletop Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:43:36 +0100 From: Ted Treen Reply-To: ted.tr...@btinternet.com To: Paul Cefola Paul Cefola wrote: Gents, I have a G3/266 tabletop which is running Mac OS 8.5.1. This machine was purchased by me during the fall of 1997. There were on the order of 20 system extensions that loaded during the start-up process.. The machine has some old files on it which are valuable to me -- both for my consulting work and also personal data. Recently I had the G3 keyboard go bad with the symptom that the Mac froze after the extensions started to load. Currently I have replaced the keyboard and have gotten the machine to boot while holding the shift key down (disabling the extensions). Since I have not changed the extensions for a long time, I suspect that I corrupted one of the extensions. My question is what do i do next to return this machine to a usable state? I am writing this on a Windows Vista machine. Thanks. Paul Cefola Well Paul, the first think to do is to make backup copies of those valuable files. Then, just to be sure, and to satisfy any feelings of paranoiac tendencies, make another backup. Put the backups somewhere very safe!!! Now, IIRC from my pre-OSX days, the way of identifying rogue extensions was to start up with shift held down, as you did, and look in the system folder for a folder called 'Extensions (Disabled)' or something very similar. Drag that to the desktop, rename it to 'Suspect Extensions' and then start up as normal. The system will automatically recreate an empty folder in the System folder called 'Extensions (Disabled)'. Adding the extensions in the 'Suspect Extensions' back one by one (just drop them onto the System folder;- the OS will recognise them as Extensions & offer to put them in the 'Extensions' folder) and restarting each time will generally show which one is causing the grief. This is tedious, but you can instead add half the suspect extensions - if it freezes, you can be fairly sure the villain is in that half. Restart with shift again, and just the ones you've added should then be in the 'Extensions (Disabled)' folder. Doing it in 'halves' can be misleading in the rare possibility you've got more than one extension gone bad. Also be aware that OS8 & OS9 treat fonts as system extensions, and a corrupt font can a) give all sorts of nasty problems, and b) be the devil's own job to track down. Keep us informed & ask again if there's anything you're not sure of. HTH, Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
Sounds reasonable!!! But --- my impression was that the 'Dashboard' Widgets were 'useful little utilities, that were invoked by 'clicking on their Icon ON DASHBOARD. [But maybe thats too logical a way of looking at it.] Chuck D. On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Matt Rhinesmith wrote: If you turn off all activators for dashboard and remove it from your dock, it stops running at boot. Matt Rhinesmith Sent from my Power Mac G4 Yeah, yeah, it's not here yet... I WILL eventually have a sig for this computer. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Macintosh G3/266 tabletop
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:10 AM, John Markowitz wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Paul Cefola wrote: > >> I have some questions regarding a Power Mac G3/266 machine. Is this the >> correct group to ask the questions to? >> >> Paul >> > > > Welcome Paul > > I think the PCI PowerMacs group is the one you want. But try this till some > one barks. > > John M Um, this is the G3-5 list. Poster has a G3-266 desktop. So perfectly on topic here. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Macintosh G3/266 tabletop
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Power Macintosh G3/266 tabletop Date:Sonntag 26 September 2010N From:John Markowitz To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > But try this till some one barks. Barking dogs don't bite. http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/353494 Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Macintosh G3/266 tabletop
Paul Cefola wrote: I have some questions regarding a Power Mac G3/266 machine. Is this the correct group to ask the questions to? Paul Certainly is: Fire away. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Macintosh G3/266 tabletop
On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Paul Cefola wrote: > I have some questions regarding a Power Mac G3/266 machine. Is this the > correct group to ask the questions to? > > Paul > Welcome Paul I think the PCI PowerMacs group is the one you want. But try this till some one barks. John M Anaheim OC dadbe...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Power Macintosh G3/266 tabletop
I have some questions regarding a Power Mac G3/266 machine. Is this the correct group to ask the questions to? Paul -- Dr. Paul J. Cefola Adjunct Professor, Dept. Of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering, University at Buffalo (SUNY) Consultant in Aerospace Systems, Spaceflight Mechanics,& Astrodynamics 978-579-9668 (phone) 978-201-1393 (cell) paulc...@buffalo.edu paul.cef...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list