Re: G5 Questions

[Jonas Ulrich]

If worse comes to worse, there is always the possibility of running those
machines off external fire wire hard drives.

-Jonas

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Re: G5 Questions

[Tina K.]

On 2011/01/15 17:59, Bruce so eloquently wrote:

Questions:

1. The June 2004 2,5 GHZ DP, and the Early 2005 2.7 GHZ DP, are liquid
cooled.
There are many stories about liquid cooled G5s leaking. What is the
consensus
about the liquid cooled G5s?  Are they prone to leaking?  Should they be
avoided?
Are there any precautions to take?  Does leaving them running all the
time help?


They seem to be prone to leaking but that's because no one writes the 
list to tell us that their liquid cooled G5 ISN'T leaking, we only hear 
about the ones that DO leak.


There have been reports that leaving them running keeps the coolant 
circulating and thusly prevents corrosion, whether that is true or not I 
can't say.


I would not buy one just because of the potential for increased 
maintenance and repair, but if I were given one I would seriously 
consider replacing the coolant with (mineral?) oil as has been mentioned 
on the list before.



2. Is there an inexpensive source, substitute, or work-around, for the
optical drive,
and hard drive, screws?


I just got rid of the antennae & HDD mounting screws from my PM G5 on 
the swap list, the demand was much greater than I anticipated. That 
leads me to think that they are not very easy to find, perhaps Apple of 
course but another source might be an independent Apple shop or your 
local MUG might have ideas or sources.


Good luck,
Tina

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Re: Random Kernel Panics

[Dan]

At 1:07 PM -0800 1/15/2011, smac0031 wrote:

In the past two months I've gotten 4 kernel panics. The first one I
couldn't say what I was doing when it happened. The second and third
happened when i was launching an old game and OS9, first changing the
monitor resolution and then launching the old game. It happened twice
in a row, when it would never happen before. The latest instance when
I was running Firefox and looking at a couple of web pages.

I would say these are pretty much random. I've run this game since the
two kernel panics without a problem.

This is am DAG4 with 1.6ghz processor upgrade, 1.5gigs of ram, OSX 1.4.11.

This just started happening in the past couple of months. Any suggestions?


Kernel panics are not random: they occur for specific reasons.  The 
gory details are recorded in the panic logs...  Take a look at them.


If you don't know how to read 'em, zip 'em up and email them to me 
directly (pls don't paste them into a reply here - they get re-wraped 
etc by the mail system, so they cannot be easily read or searched).


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Re: G5 Questions

[Dan]

At 7:59 PM -0500 1/15/2011, Bruce wrote:
I have been asked to resurrect four donated G5 computers. (All are 
minus hard drive, optical drive, memory, graphics card, IDE cable, 
and drive mounting screws).

June 2003 1.6 GHZ SP
June 2004 1.8 GHZ DP
June 2004 2.5 GHZ DP
Early 2005 2.7 GHZ DP

All are clean, otherwise complete, and look to be in good condition.
There is no evidence of any leaking.

1. The June 2004 2,5 GHZ DP, and the Early 2005 2.7 GHZ DP, are liquid cooled.
There are many stories about liquid cooled G5s leaking. What is the consensus
about the liquid cooled G5s?  Are they prone to leaking?  Should 
they be avoided?
Are there any precautions to take?  Does leaving them running all 
the time help?


If the sink is not leaking in any way, by now, then it probably 
won't, IMO.  Hopefully.  I doubt if there are any "precautions" per 
se beyond anecdotal...


2. Is there an inexpensive source, substitute, or work-around, for 
the optical drive,

and hard drive, screws?


Shop around, prices vary from moment to moment, especially with HDs...

OWC (macsales.com)
Geeks
Meritline
Amazon
Cyberguys (great for misc parts, screws, etc)
eBay
eCost (mostly refirbs)
LEM Swap
Craigslist

and don't forget to check the sales brochures from places like Office Despot.

Sales get kindof wonky these days.  A few times I've bought nice 
Seagate externals, just to pull the drive and stick it in a Mac. 
Worked out to be less expensive that way.  Then I made a few $ by 
selling the case! LOL.


ObBrandRecommendation:  Seagate or Hitachi for HDs.  Avoid WD 
whenever possible.


HTH,
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Re: More problems with Beige G3

[tina]

On Lørdag, 15/1 2011, 04:36, Jeremiah Stevens wrote:
> Hey guys, thanks for all the help on the last problem, I did get 10.2
> running
> great on the Beige G3, so I opened it and replaced the ram with two 256MB
> chips
> on either of the outside of the 3 slots (middle slot open) like it was
> with the
> two original chips I found in there (total of 96MB, not sure size of
> original
> chips). Now when I turn it on it goes to a grey screen almost like the
> open
> firmware screen, but it keeps repeating the text ;CAN'T open; and it keeps
> repeating that quite a few times on the screen and then it goes to the
> floppy
> disc icon with a ? mark on it like it doesn't recognize the hard drive.
> Any help
> would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>
> -Jeremiah

try pushing the cuda button

if that doesn't help, reset the motherboard

you'll find nice descriptions of both procedures if you google for them

/tina

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G5 Questions

[Bruce]

Hello,

I have been asked to resurrect four donated G5 computers.
(All are minus hard drive, optical drive, memory, graphics
card, IDE cable, and drive mounting screws).

June 2003 1.6 GHZ SP

June 2004 1.8 GHZ DP

June 2004 2.5 GHZ DP

Early 2005 2.7 GHZ DP

All are clean, otherwise complete, and look to be in good condition.
There is no evidence of any leaking.

Questions:

1. The June 2004 2,5 GHZ DP, and the Early 2005 2.7 GHZ DP, are liquid 
cooled.
There are many stories about liquid cooled G5s leaking. What is the 
consensus
about the liquid cooled G5s?  Are they prone to leaking?  Should they be 
avoided?
Are there any precautions to take?  Does leaving them running all the 
time help?


2. Is there an inexpensive source, substitute, or work-around, for the 
optical drive,

and hard drive, screws?

Thank you,

Bruce Sugarberg





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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

This is the most painless way of doing it; I've done two PPC ->  
Intel migrations that way.


I should add that I've done it twice for my own accounts; I've done  
this a dozen or more times updating faculty and staff macs, equally  
painlessly.



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Random Kernel Panics

[smac0031]

In the past two months I've gotten 4 kernel panics. The first one I
couldn't say what I was doing when it happened. The second and third
happened when i was launching an old game and OS9, first changing the
monitor resolution and then launching the old game. It happened twice
in a row, when it would never happen before. The latest instance when
I was running Firefox and looking at a couple of web pages.

I would say these are pretty much random. I've run this game since the
two kernel panics without a problem.

This is am DAG4 with 1.6ghz processor upgrade, 1.5gigs of ram, OSX
1.4.11.

This just started happening in the past couple of months. Any
suggestions?

Mark Murphy

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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:16 PM, James Therrault wrote:

I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of  
my current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I  
eventually will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine,  
late '09 Mac Mini.



Re-install OSX in the Mini, and where it asks you if you want to  
transfer your information from another Mac, select that, and it walks  
you through setting up FW target mode. This is the most painless way  
of doing it; I've done two PPC -> Intel migrations that way.


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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[jetas...@netzero.com]

On 1/15/11 9:14 AM, Al Poulin wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, James Therrault  wrote:
>> I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
>> suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of my  
>> current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I eventually  
>> will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine, late '09 Mac  
>> Mini.
> Start by looking at OWC, and then compare the offerings of other
> vendors.  Consider which interfaces you would use now and possibly
> later with newer machines.
> http://www.macsales.com/
> Their telephone representatives are very helpful too.
>
> Al Poulin
>
Could he use firewire disk mode with the new mini and then hook it up 
via firewire cable to the g4 and copy stuff that way?  That way he 
wouldn't need to buy an enclosure for one temporary use.


That wouldn't work since the mini only has a 160GB drive and have double that 
on the G4.  I guess that the first order of business is to get my raw 500GB 
drive into an enclosure so that I can clone the mini's OS etc and then add the 
G4's contents.  After that, I could either use it as a boot drive externally or 
install it into the mini itself which might allow it to run a little faster.

I'm going to order an enclosure today of go by Fry's on Tuesday to see what 
they have.

JT





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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[Fabian Fang]

On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:16 PM, James Therrault wrote:

I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of  
my current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I  
eventually will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine,  
late '09 Mac Mini.


I think that I have a considerable task in front of me such as  
moving all of my Mail stuff from PPC to an Intel based machine.



If you do decide that you need an external enclosure, it will be  
difficult to beat the quality/value of a WiebeTech premium multi- 
interface enclosure, currently on "close-out" special at Smalldog.com:



Fabian

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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Jack Countryman wrote:

> On 1/15/11 9:14 AM, Al Poulin wrote:
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, James Therrault  wrote:
>>> I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
>>> suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of my  
>>> current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I eventually  will 
>>> use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine, late '09 Mac  Mini.
>> Start by looking at OWC, and then compare the offerings of other
>> vendors.  Consider which interfaces you would use now and possibly
>> later with newer machines.
>> http://www.macsales.com/
>> Their telephone representatives are very helpful too.
>> 
>> Al Poulin
>> 
> Could he use firewire disk mode with the new mini and then hook it up via 
> firewire cable to the g4 and copy stuff that way?  That way he wouldn't need 
> to buy an enclosure for one temporary use.

TDM  via Firewire is a way to do it with out buying a new external drive. I 
somehow got the impression from the OP that he wants a drive for storing and 
copying multiple systems.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[Jack Countryman]

On 1/15/11 9:14 AM, Al Poulin wrote:


On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, James Therrault  wrote:
I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of my  
current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I eventually  
will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine, late '09 Mac  
Mini.

Start by looking at OWC, and then compare the offerings of other
vendors.  Consider which interfaces you would use now and possibly
later with newer machines.
http://www.macsales.com/
Their telephone representatives are very helpful too.

Al Poulin

Could he use firewire disk mode with the new mini and then hook it up 
via firewire cable to the g4 and copy stuff that way?  That way he 
wouldn't need to buy an enclosure for one temporary use.


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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Al Poulin wrote:

> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, James Therrault  wrote:
>> I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
>> suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of my  
>> current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I eventually  
>> will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine, late '09 Mac  
>> Mini.
> 
I would check Newegg for the largest Firewire/USB interface 2.5 external drive 
I could afford, and that should cover all your future needs for now anyway:-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Problem with G-5

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Richard Smallwood  wrote:
> Thank you, John.
> It was a problem with the RAM memory. Pairs are NOT installed beside each 
> other, there is a numbering sequence which was not obvious.
> Oh well, live and learn.
> Richard
> 

Yeah the slot numbers are real hard to see.  the RAM needs to be matched in 
size and speed also respect the slots in pairs like one on each side  from the 
center out.


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92886 USA
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Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine

[Al Poulin]

On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, James Therrault  wrote:
> I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for  
> suggestions as to 2.5" external enclosures to copy the contents of my  
> current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I eventually  
> will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine, late '09 Mac  
> Mini.

Start by looking at OWC, and then compare the offerings of other
vendors.  Consider which interfaces you would use now and possibly
later with newer machines.
http://www.macsales.com/
Their telephone representatives are very helpful too.

Al Poulin

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Re: Problem with G-5

[Miguel Garcia Gell]

Unplug the machine and remove the pram battery for 15 min and try
again...check the DVD CDroom jumpers for Slave or master and also is your
NEw memory is compatible with Apple if the FANS are spinning faster and you
see a red led light be side the power botton location...something is set up
wrong...VERY IMPORTANT - PUT IT BACK THE PLASTIC COVER before turn in ON.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Richard Smallwood wrote:

> Thank you, John.
> It was a problem with the RAM memory. Pairs are NOT installed beside each
> other, there is a numbering sequence which was not obvious.
> Oh well, live and learn.
> Richard
> On 13 Jan 2011, at 7:29 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>
>
>> On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Richard Smallwood wrote:
>>
>>  I was upgrading the DVD-CD ROM Drive, adding a 2nd Hard Drive and
>>> increasing the RAM memory on this brought used Dual 1.8 Ghz. When I got
>>> everything installed and tried to start it , the fans started, but nothing
>>> else did. There is a white LED above the power switch which flashed until I
>>> pressed the power switch steadily and until the computer (or more correctly,
>>> the fans) shut off. I opened it up and pressed the PMU button for 20 seconds
>>> and there was no change or improvement. I went back in and removed the
>>> "back-up" battery for a minute, no change, the same flashing LED. I removed
>>> the Hard Drive and the new memory, still no change.
>>>
>>> The computer had been running OSX.4.11okay.
>>>
>>> Any info/guesses will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>  Check and reseat the RAM it must be installed in pairs and can be
>> difficult to seat properly. Also recheck the HDD connections.
>>
>> John Carmonne
>> Yorba Linda CA
>> 92886 USA
>> Sent from my MBP
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: More problems with Beige G3

[Miguel Garcia Gell]

go back to the old memory ram and try again...looks like the new one is not
compatible...not all kind work for Apple
or
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Jeremiah Stevens <
jeremiah.stev...@prodigy.net> wrote:

> Hey guys, thanks for all the help on the last problem, I did get 10.2
> running great on the Beige G3, so I opened it and replaced the ram with two
> 256MB chips on either of the outside of the 3 slots (middle slot open) like
> it was with the two original chips I found in there (total of 96MB, not sure
> size of original chips). Now when I turn it on it goes to a grey screen
> almost like the open firmware screen, but it keeps repeating the text ;CAN'T
> open; and it keeps repeating that quite a few times on the screen and then
> it goes to the floppy disc icon with a ? mark on it like it doesn't
> recognize the hard drive. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>
> -Jeremiah
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