Re: 20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo ADVICE
At 12:12 PM -0400 7/2/2011, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: 20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with AirPort/BlueTooth, iSight... the LCD is bad... for some reason the computer does not always POST. months ago could be used with an external monitor but now will not POST... What does it do instead of bonging? Try reseating the memory. Try running on only one stick of known-good memory. Any kernel panics? If you can get it to boot at all, peruse the system.log for error messages. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo ADVICE
At 3:46 AM +0200 7/3/2011, Valter Prahlad wrote: > POST? Power-On Self Test. heh. Ok. I haven't heard it called that in years. My Macs BONG, they doesn't post. :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo ADVICE
Il giorno 2-07-2011 22:49, Dan ha scritto: > POST? Power-On Self Test. Basiclaly, it's the hardware test the computer goes on immediately after switch on, and before loading any software. It's like getting up from bed in the morning and checking you still have all of your limbs attached and working... just in case. ;-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac & PPC apps
At 3:35 PM -0700 7/2/2011, Clark Martin wrote: > Rosetta requires apps that use use at least a G3 processor & Cocoa. Rosetta supports Carbon applications. This is an API that supports both OS9 and OS X. That is why AppleWorks still runs under Snow Leopard. Good catch, thanks! Rosetta does not support the pre-Carbon environments. And the later vers of Rosetta apparently supported some G4 and Altivec instructions (but not the G5 specific ones). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: how to restore mail without the .plist file??
On Jul 2, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > I have the "Mail" folder from ~ / Library / but I don't have the .plist > file that goes with it... I had to do a nuke and pave last night and I got in > a hurry.. I know, bad combonation. please can someone shed some light on how > to recover from this? TIA try importing it from Mail. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
how to restore mail without the .plist file??
I have the "Mail" folder from ~ / Library / but I don't have the .plist file that goes with it... I had to do a nuke and pave last night and I got in a hurry.. I know, bad combonation. please can someone shed some light on how to recover from this? TIA Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com "Apple is fun, But Jesus saves and satisfies!" -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac & PPC apps
On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Dan wrote: > Just to clarify a bit... > > At 3:10 PM -0500 7/2/2011, Kris Tilford wrote: >> >> Tiger 10.4 - Two separate versions: one pure PPC System, one pure Intel >> System. Some of the software is "universal" (meaning contains both PPC & >> Intel code which will work on both architectures, but is also much larger >> in size). > > The ppc-to-x86 code translator, Rosetta, is installed by default in x86 > Tiger, giving it the ability to run ppc-only (non Universal) apps. > > Rosetta requires apps that use use at least a G3 processor & Cocoa. > > Rosetta does NOT support: > * Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9 (that was Classic's job). Not exactly true. Rosetta supports Carbon applications. This is an API that supports both OS9 and OS X. That is why AppleWorks still runs under Snow Leopard. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo ADVICE
At 12:12 PM -0400 7/2/2011, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: 20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with AirPort/BlueTooth, iSight... the LCD is bad... for some reason the computer does not always POST. months ago could be used with an external monitor but now will not POST... POST? Any advice please and thank you.maggell Reset the PRAM/nvram/SMC. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac & PPC apps
Just to clarify a bit... At 3:10 PM -0500 7/2/2011, Kris Tilford wrote: Tiger 10.4 - Two separate versions: one pure PPC System, one pure Intel System. Some of the software is "universal" (meaning contains both PPC & Intel code which will work on both architectures, but is also much larger in size). The ppc-to-x86 code translator, Rosetta, is installed by default in x86 Tiger, giving it the ability to run ppc-only (non Universal) apps. Rosetta requires apps that use use at least a G3 processor & Cocoa. Rosetta does NOT support: * Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9 (that was Classic's job). * Code written specifically for AltiVec * Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane * Applications that require a G4 or G5 processor (no processor specific code). * Applications that depend on one or more kernel extensions * Kernel extensions * Bundled Java applications or Java applications with JNI libraries. Leopard 10.5 Same Rosetta. 32-bit only. No. The x86 Leopard build includes both a 32-bit and a 64-bit kernel. It can only boot into the 64-bit kernel, however, if the hardware supports it (Core 2 or better) and all the kernel extensions are 64-bit. Above the kernel, both 64-bit and 32-bit frameworks and apps can run. "mixed mode". Snow Leopard 10.6 Snow Leopard contains many more 64-bit components, but is not yet 64-bit pure. Rosetta is now an optional install. Lion 10.7 - Intel-only 64-bit-only architecture. The kernel and all Apple-supplied kernel extensions are 64-bit. Frameworks and apps can run in either 32-bit or 64-bit mode. Rosetta won't run, so no more ppc apps. Beyond Jobs' deep seated desire to fark those of us who are no longer good Revenue Units to Apple, this does make some sense -- Lion is 64-bit and G3 is 32-bit. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac & PPC apps
On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Tina K. wrote: Thank you for that tidbit of information, I was Intel-less until just this year so my knowledge regarding the Intel transition is limited. Here's the deal: Tiger 10.4 - Two separate versions: one pure PPC System, one pure Intel System. Some of the software is "universal" (meaning contains both PPC & Intel code which will work on both architectures, but is also much larger in size). Leopard 10.5 - One single universal System only under which all software runs on both PPC & Intel Macs. 32-bit only. This is the transitional System from PPC architecture to Intel architecture. A Leopard 10.5 HD with GUID partition format can boot both PPC & Intel Macs manufactured prior to Snow Leopard 10.6 release. Normally PPC Macs use Apple partition format HDs, while Intel Macs use GUID partition format HDs. GUID HDs can boot on both PPC & Intel Macs under Leopard 10.5, but normally a PPC HD would be Apple partition format. Snow Leopard 10.6 - Intel-only hybrid kernel that works with either 32- bit or 64-bit applications. This is the transitional System from 32- bit applications to 64-bit applications. Lion 10.7 - Intel-only 64-bit-only architecture. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac & PPC apps
On 2011/07/01 19:15, cubpa...@aol.com wrote: FYI, the earlier Intel Macs used a different version of Tiger than did the PPC Macs. I do not believe that Intel Macs are able to run OS9. Thank you for that tidbit of information, I was Intel-less until just this year so my knowledge regarding the Intel transition is limited. Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15" HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Can not find Boot Disk
On Jul 2, 2011, at 6:59 AM, gifutiger wrote: When this problem occurs (my own doing) the only way out that I've found to correct this situation is to do a force shut-down, i.e. hold down the power button until the system shuts down. Upon re-powering the platform if I don't hold the "C" key, telling the Boot ROM that I want to boot from the DVD I'm right back into the trap of no Boot Disk found. However holding down the "C" key the MDD will boot into the OS X 10.5 DVD "Commercial Version" at which time I can go the "Select Startup Disk" and restart into any of my disk, Not a solution exactly but have you tried holding down the option key at boot up when in this situation. That should give you a selection of every bootable disk. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo ADVICE
20" Aluminum iMac /2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with AirPort/BlueTooth, iSight... the LCD is bad... for some reason the computer does not always POST. months ago could be used with an external monitor but now will not POST... Any advice please and thank you.maggell -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: More on adding an HD
Il giorno 2-07-2011 9:38, Skyler Rudd ha scritto: > It is still running > on the HD from an iMac running OSX.4.1. So, if I get it correctly... the Mac boots/runs fine from this HD? > I plugged in the WD HD and the computer does nothing. ... But it can't recognize the WD HD? It could be a problem of Master/Slave assignment. On each ATA/IDE bus (the bus where the HD and optical drives are connected), you can have one Master (or only) drive, and - optionally - a Slave drive. If you have two Masters or two Slaves, the computer gets confused and the HDs work bad (or don't work at all). To select which is which, you use tiny jumpers connecting pins (the pins are usually eight, arranged in two rows). > The iMac HD has a pin connecting the last two pins > vertically. Should the drive I am trying to run as a slave be pinned also? The pin configuration is not the same for every HD: each brand can use a different scheme. Usually there's an explanatory drawing on the disk label, showing the possible setups. Sometime this drawing is missing, though. If you can't find the drawing, you can Google the drive model and "master slave": you'll probably find some page with instructions. When there is no jumper, usually the drive is assumed as single (only) or Master. If you want to connect only the WD, you can try using it without jumpers. > It came with none. Also, is that something I could get at RadioShack? If you need jumpers, and you can't find them on old HDs or PC parts (like motherboards), I think you can find them in RadioShack, or electronic/computer shops. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Can not find Boot Disk
On Jul 2, 2011, at 8:59 AM, gifutiger wrote: AFAIK the Boot ROM Version 4.4.8f2 is the latest version for this platform, however it might have problems, so if anyone has knowledge of how to redo the Boot ROM I'm willing to give it a try. It seems more likely the PRAM battery is dead. I'd get a new PRAM battery and see if that fixes things? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD Can not find Boot Disk
Greetings, I've given up researching this problem and hopping one of you may have some suggestions. I recently acquired a MDD: Hardware Overview: Model Name: Power Mac G4 Model Identifier: PowerMac3,6 Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Processor Speed: 1.25 GHz Number Of CPUs: 2 L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 2 GB Bus Speed:167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 Serial Number (system): Sales Order Number: Hardware UUID:--1000-8000-000393AE8678 and my problem is that if I preform a PRAM reset at boot time I get the blank screen with the disk symbol and a ? (question mark) This is true even if I have a "OS X 10.5 DVD" in the DVD Drive. It's an over kill but I also have four (4) disks in the platform, 2 ea. IDE and 2 ea. SATA. The SATA drives are connected through a ACARD, 6280M which appears to the system as a SCSI interface. All of the disks have a good system folder and can be use to boot the MDD. There are three (3) disk with OS X 10.5.X, one (1) disk with OS X 10.3.X and one (1) disk with OS 9.2.X. Yes, if I remove all of the disks except one, the IDE (OS X 10.5.X) which is located in the first disk position, the position where apple puts the first disk when they sell you the platform the problem still occurs. When this problem occurs (my own doing) the only way out that I've found to correct this situation is to do a force shut-down, i.e. hold down the power button until the system shuts down. Upon re-powering the platform if I don't hold the "C" key, telling the Boot ROM that I want to boot from the DVD I'm right back into the trap of no Boot Disk found. However holding down the "C" key the MDD will boot into the OS X 10.5 DVD "Commercial Version" at which time I can go the "Select Startup Disk" and restart into any of my disk, ABAIK the Boot ROM Version 4.4.8f2 is the latest version for this platform, however it might have problems, so if anyone has knowledge of how to redo the Boot ROM I'm willing to give it a try. I have a disk with OS 9.2 installed so I could boot from that disk and redo Boot ROM update, but I'm thinking that the install program will see Version 4.4.8f2 and refuse to install. Also if anyone knows the direct link to Apple to get the Boot ROM please give it to me. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
