Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD Date:Wednesday, 25. April 2012 From:tsaec...@att.net tsaec...@att.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com This morning 12 hours later I cannot get this computer to boot. I get the normal start up chime/bong then once it lights up the monitor I have a black rectangle on a grey screen or just the apple in the center of the grey screen. Once with the 'C' key held down and the cd in it gave me the same except the rectangle had the you need to restart your computer text in it. Tried booting into single user mode, it boots up to the exact same hang screen and message as last night. This screen will not accept any keyboard input. Tried booting with the option key, I get the selection of start up disks but it only goes to the blank you need to restart your computer screen when I try to start it. The only thing I have not tried is booting into OS 9 which I'm not sure if this machine will do. What I would also try, is, if you can still go into Open Firmware. Hold Cmd- Opt-O-F pressed when you hear the chime, until you see the Open Firmware screen (which will tell you, that you can now let go of the keys you should still be holding at this point). If you can use your keyboard normally there, the computer should be fine. Try commands like: devalias cd / ls .properties To continue booting, type: mac-boot To boot a CD-ROM, type: boot cd: After hitting enter, you can then quickly hold the Opt key if you want to get the boot menu to choose where to boot from. It seems stuck in Applejack and Single user mode. How do you figure? So you can run Applejack? And you can start-up in single user mode? Any tricks that I don't know about to make it boot to OSX? Or is this a fatal error? After trying if Open Firmware still works for me, I'd zap the PRAM: Hold Cmd- Opt-P-R at the chime. I normally do this at least twice (keep the keys pressed until you hear the third chime, then let go). This /could/ solve the problem, but I'm not very sure of it. Could this hang cause any possible problems with the HDD? Yes. Could be your hard drive, or the installation on it. But then you shouldn't have these problems when booting form CD. To be absolutely sure I'd remove the HDD and boot from CD. If that works, you propably have a broken HDD. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bob's G5 odyssey
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Bob's G5 odyssey Date:Thursday, 26. April 2012 From:Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I would not get the LCS 2.7 or 2.3. I may be wrong, but is there a liquid cooled 2.3 GHz? Sorry, I should have clarified. Yes, neither 2.3 is LCS, but the later 2.3 of that same generation seems to be inferior to the previous 2.3. Sorry for my misunderstanding. If I may ask: what's the problem with the Early 2005 2.3 GHz G5? Unfortunately, this narrows it down very much. It leaves Bob with only this model: PowerMac7,3 Mid-2004 Dual-2.0 GHz Because all others have issues. Bob, one more thing: if you accept PCI instead of PCI-X, keep in mind that the PCI models only have 4 memory banks (dual-channel), whereas the PCI-X models have eight (dual-channel). This may be favourable if you have a lot of DDR DIMMs laying around, so you are able to use them (in pairs: dual-channel). Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD remounts
On 4/26/12 12:50 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:33 PM, JohnV wrote: When an external HD drops off the screen (presumably after going to sleep) how does one get it to re-mount? You've got a USB issue here. First your iPod Touch isn't recognized, now you're saying your HDs are drop off the screen which isn't supposed to happen ever, and both are USB related. You've got a bigger problem than a HD sleep issue because your iPod is definitely wrong behavior for certain, and it has nothing to do with software on your G5, it's a pure hardware issue. You should look in your UtilityConsole logs for error messages related to USB. It's likely you'll see error messages. If your USB ports are bad, you may need to purchase a USB PCI card. You might try asking on apple-iph...@yahoogroups.com , maybe yhey have ideas also. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bob's G5 odyssey
I may be wrong, but is there a liquid cooled 2.3 GHz? Sorry, I should have clarified. Yes, neither 2.3 is LCS, but the later 2.3 of that same generation seems to be inferior to the previous 2.3. Sorry for my misunderstanding. If I may ask: what's the problem with the Early 2005 2.3 GHz G5? The PCIe DC 2.3 had a disproportionate number of power supply problems. This wouldn't ordinarily be such a big deal except replacing/repairing power supplies on the G5 is hard labour -- it is quite difficult to get at. It is otherwise average in reliability. The original DP 2.3, however, has the best reliability marks of any G5. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Po-Ching Lives! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Low Power G5
My G5 Dual 2.7 idles at 310 Watts plus the AC required to keep the room inhabitable Are you the one who bought x86 mac and realized it is just another PC, isn't you? My G5 Quad (2xDual core) 2.5 G5 eats less than 10 watts on idle. And I measured it via UPS it is plugged into. How you did your measurements? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger/Classic on dual G4/5
On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:39 PM, geraldcornish wrote: Current setup is Pismo 500MHz/1GB Ram/100GB HDD Tiger 10.4.11 OS 9.2.2 Intention is to upgrade to Dual G4/G5 but keeping Tiger/Classic. My better half needs to use Pagemaker in classic while using OSX simultaneously. Pagemaker uses up all the spare cpu cycles and slows down all other programs, and I assume this would still be the case with a faster Mac. Depends on how PageMaker is written. If it's polling for user input continuously, then it will certainly always (try to) use some cpu time, not a lot %-wise if you have lots to spare. Seems odd to me that PageMaker would be continuously piggy. Have you watched the system with Activity Monitor, to see what resources are actually in such low demand that the whole system runs slowly? if we move to a dual G4/G5 how does Tiger handle the two cpus? OS X (and OS 9) supports multiple processors (discrete, multi core, threads) two ways. First: when a process or thread is ready for cpu time, it is dispatched to one of the CPU/cores. Second: if the application knows how to use non-sequential threads, then the threads are dispatched the same way - to whichever CPU/core has time available. Will it assign classic/pagemaker to one cpu only, leaving the other cpu to do any OSX work needed? No. Under OS X, scheduling is done preemptively, as resources are available. That means a process is given a quantum time slice on a CPU/core, and the CPU is taken away when the slice ends or when the process becomes otherwise blocked (waiting for i/o, etc). Classic is a process under OS X... so when its slice ends, the app running within Classic is suspended. When the next slice is available to that process, it is re-assigned to a CPU/core... Of course, if the process is still loaded in one particular CPU/core, then assignment preference is given to using that particular CPU/core. This would be ideal for us if one cpu is kept free of the Pagemaker loading. You need to think of the OS being the high muckety, not the CPU. The CPU, like memory, is *just* a resource that the OS controls / manages. See John's reply wrt machine choice and bootability. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger/Classic on dual G4/5
Will it assign classic/pagemaker to one cpu only, leaving the other cpu to do any OSX work needed? No. Under OS X, scheduling is done preemptively, as resources are available. That means a process is given a quantum time slice on a CPU/core, and the CPU is taken away when the slice ends or when the process becomes otherwise blocked (waiting for i/o, etc). Classic is a process under OS X... so when its slice ends, the app running within Classic is suspended. When the next slice is available to that process, it is re-assigned to a CPU/core... Of course, if the process is still loaded in one particular CPU/core, then assignment preference is given to using that particular CPU/core. Just to throw a wrench into this otherwise accurate description, I haven't looked into how Classic handles apps that use the Multiprocessing API, but I presume that TruBluEnvironment has all the tasks within it, including MPTasks, as threads. I need to look into this at some point. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- This message will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Jim. -- M:I -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Low Power G5
My G5 Dual 2.7 idles at 310 Watts plus the AC required to keep the room inhabitable Are you the one who bought x86 mac and realized it is just another PC, isn't you? My G5 Quad (2xDual core) 2.5 G5 eats less than 10 watts on idle. And I measured it via UPS it is plugged into. Is that idle or sleep? I believe it for sleep, but not for idle. Even with a CPU on doze, in reduced power, my G5 isn't consuming any less than 150W (measured both on UPS and with a Kill-A-Watt). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- The whippings shall continue until morale improves. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD remounts
Had a similar problem with an iMac at work and it also would go to sleep at very spontaneous moments, typing, drawing, whatever it didn't matter just went to sleep, hit any key and it would come back. When the HD icon disappeared off the desktop, it would cause the drive to disappear from Disk Utilities as well, I would wait a few minutes and it would re-mount itself. So I do a reinstall of the system (basically a Snow Leopard version of archive and install). So far that seems to have taken care of both issues. And for those about to ask yes I checked and reset all the energy and screen saver settings, Dumped appropriate prefs and so on before the reinstall. On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: On 4/26/12 12:50 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:33 PM, JohnV wrote: When an external HD drops off the screen (presumably after going to sleep) how does one get it to re-mount? You've got a USB issue here. First your iPod Touch isn't recognized, now you're saying your HDs are drop off the screen which isn't supposed to happen ever, and both are USB related. You've got a bigger problem than a HD sleep issue because your iPod is definitely wrong behavior for certain, and it has nothing to do with software on your G5, it's a pure hardware issue. You should look in your UtilityConsole logs for error messages related to USB. It's likely you'll see error messages. If your USB ports are bad, you may need to purchase a USB PCI card. You might try asking on apple-iph...@yahoogroups.com , maybe yhey have ideas also. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mac OS X Version Distribution
This usage of 20% tells us why we are no longer important to Apple. Mac OS X Version Distribution OSX %USE NOTE 10.4 03.8 PPC 10.5 16.4 PPC LAST OS FOR G5s 10.6 47.4 INTEL ONLY 10.7 30.4 10.8 I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway === -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Low Power G5
On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Douglas Mencken wrote: My G5 Dual 2.7 idles at 310 Watts plus the AC required to keep the room inhabitable Are you the one who bought x86 mac and realized it is just another PC, isn't you? My G5 Quad (2xDual core) 2.5 G5 eats less than 10 watts on idle. And I measured it via UPS it is plugged into. How you did your measurements? What does it use when you boot it?? John Carmonne Placentia CA 92870 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Low Power G5
On Apr 26, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: My G5 Dual 2.7 idles at 310 Watts plus the AC required to keep the room inhabitable Are you the one who bought x86 mac and realized it is just another PC, isn't you? My G5 Quad (2xDual core) 2.5 G5 eats less than 10 watts on idle. And I measured it via UPS it is plugged into. Is that idle or sleep? I believe it for sleep, but not for idle. Even with a CPU on doze, in reduced power, my G5 isn't consuming any less than 150W (measured both on UPS and with a Kill-A-Watt). I use a Kill-A-watt also and my 2.7 is 34 Watts off, just plugged into the wall. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
This usage of 20% tells us why we are no longer important to Apple. Mac OS X Version Distribution OSX %USE NOTE 10.4 03.8 PPC --- 10.4.8 was first practical OS for Hackintoshes 10.5 16.4 PPC LAST OS FOR G5s 10.6 47.4 INTEL ONLY --- Some Hacks are still 10.6.x 10.7 30.4 --- Many Hacks were at 10.7.x within several days of its first availability 10.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
Il giorno 26-04-2012 19:37, Jonas Lopez ha scritto: This usage of 20% tells us why we are no longer important to Apple. Mac OS X Version Distribution OSX %USE NOTE 10.4 03.8 PPC 10.5 16.4 PPC LAST OS FOR G5s 10.6 47.4 INTEL ONLY 10.7 30.4 10.8 Although numbers are useful indicators, I'd say that Apple would cherish a 20% of his customers that would buy something expensive. Instead, people clinging to such old machines, are the least likely to spend big bucks on something new. Hence, Apple knows we're the least important contributors to its bottom line. While a G3-4-5 user is (on an emotional level) a strong Apple supporter, on a monetary level he isn't supporting Apple at all. :-) It's a case of philosophical Vs. financial. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
At 2:53 AM +0200 4/27/2012, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 26-04-2012 19:37, Jonas Lopez ha scritto: This usage of 20% tells us why we are no longer important to Apple. Mac OS X Version Distribution OSX %USE NOTE 10.4 03.8 PPC 10.5 16.4 PPC LAST OS FOR G5s 10.6 47.4 INTEL ONLY 10.7 30.4 10.8 Interesting numbers, Jonas. From where did you get them? Although numbers are useful indicators, pt. As soon as you failed to upgrade the first time, Apple lost interest in you. You, ok, we, are a failed Revenue Unit. I'd say that Apple would cherish a 20% of his customers that would buy something expensive. The logic is: We are APPLE OF BORG. We will add your currency to our own. The reality is that Apple's pricing is a major FAIL and they really don't give a rats a** about people that cannot afford their overpriced gear. OTOH, they sell 100% of the products they manufacture at the current high price point. OTGH, given those sales rates, Apple should really be jacking up prices. Wouldn't that be a p*sser - jack up prices, and STILL sell out, while the other companies are moaning about the recession? people clinging to such old machines, are the least likely to spend big bucks on something new. cite? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:42 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: This usage of 20% tells us why we are no longer important to Apple. Mac OS X Version Distribution OSX %USE NOTE 10.4 03.8 PPC --- 10.4.8 was first practical OS for Hackintoshes 10.5 16.4 PPC LAST OS FOR G5s 10.6 47.4 INTEL ONLY --- Some Hacks are still 10.6.x 10.7 30.4 --- Many Hacks were at 10.7.x within several days of its first availability 10.8 One out of every 5 Mac computers is still a huge number of computers and users. Too many to ignore, IMHO, but apparently Apple is so confident that they can force their users into upgrading to Intel powered computers, they do not care about the risk of upsetting this 20% of their users (actually less, as many of those people that own and use the PPC Mac computers, also already own and use an Intel powered Mac model as well). I still don't like Apple's decision to abandon PPC users so quickly and attempt to force us into upgrading to an Intel powered Mac computer, which also encouraged the third party software developers to also abandon PPC Mac users more quickly than they probably would have, if Apple's support of PPC had lingered just a little longer. Oh well, nothing we can do about it now. AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS2.7 on my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD (upgraded to dual 1.42GHz G4) and MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS3.0 beta on 15-inch 17-inch 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus only MacOSX10.5.8 on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac AmigaOS4.1.5 on my PA Semi powered First Contact AmigaOne X1000 w/1.8GHz PA6T 1682M The Only Personal Computer in the World to use the PA6T -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
At 6:46 PM -0700 4/26/2012, David W. Morris wrote: One out of every 5 Mac computers is still a huge number of computers and users. Too many to ignore, IMHO, but apparently Apple is so confident that they can force their users into upgrading to Intel powered computers, they do not care about the risk of upsetting this 20% of their users Confidence has NOTHING to do with it. On this particular planet there is ONLY capacity to manufacture X computers each quarter, of which N are Macs. 100% of those Macs will be sold. Read that last sentence again. That 20% that could be upset --- is moot. Completely moot. Apple DOES NOT HAVE computers for those people! None. 100% of what they manufacture IS SOLD! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger/Classic on dual G4/5
On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Dan wrote: On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:39 PM, geraldcornish wrote: Current setup is Pismo 500MHz/1GB Ram/100GB HDD Tiger 10.4.11 OS 9.2.2 Intention is to upgrade to Dual G4/G5 but keeping Tiger/Classic. My better half needs to use Pagemaker in classic while using OSX simultaneously. Pagemaker uses up all the spare cpu cycles and slows down all other programs, and I assume this would still be the case with a faster Mac. Depends on how PageMaker is written. If it's polling for user input continuously, then it will certainly always (try to) use some cpu time, not a lot %-wise if you have lots to spare. That's OS 9 (and below) for you. Seems odd to me that PageMaker would be continuously piggy. Have you watched the system with Activity Monitor, to see what resources are actually in such low demand that the whole system runs slowly? if we move to a dual G4/G5 how does Tiger handle the two cpus? OS X (and OS 9) supports multiple processors (discrete, multi core, threads) two ways. First: when a process or thread is ready for cpu time, it is dispatched to one of the CPU/cores. Second: if the application knows how to use non-sequential threads, then the threads are dispatched the same way - to whichever CPU/core has time available. OS 9 supports letting programs use multiple processors but it's up to the program to handle multiple threads. Will it assign classic/pagemaker to one cpu only, leaving the other cpu to do any OSX work needed? No. Under OS X, scheduling is done preemptively, as resources are available. That means a process is given a quantum time slice on a CPU/core, and the CPU is taken away when the slice ends or when the process becomes otherwise blocked (waiting for i/o, etc). Classic is a process under OS X... so when its slice ends, the app running within Classic is suspended. When the next slice is available to that process, it is re-assigned to a CPU/core... Of course, if the process is still loaded in one particular CPU/core, then assignment preference is given to using that particular CPU/core. But Pagemaker will be using only one CPU at a time (I'm guessing that OS X doesn't support OS 9's version of multiprocessor support. This would be ideal for us if one cpu is kept free of the Pagemaker loading. You need to think of the OS being the high muckety, not the CPU. The CPU, like memory, is *just* a resource that the OS controls / manages. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
Actually if someone says they're running 10.4 or 10.5, it doesn't mean that OS is necessarily running on a PPC Mac. The first Intel machines came with 10.4. I know a number of people still using 10.4 or 10.5 on Intel machines for a variety of reasons. You could purchase10.5 to run on a PPC Mac but it was only original software on Intel machines. A lot of people never upgrade their OS or install updates. Lots of early Macbook Pros are still running 10.4.5 or whatever they came with -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
