Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:43:23 AM UTC-5, oli wrote: I think at this point, I will replace one of my Scope cards with an Atto SCSI adapter. I don't really know much about which adapter to go for, though Atto seems to be well regarded. Any advice on that? From memory, the SCSI maintains some level of backwards compatibility, as long as the appropriate cabling is used (eg SCSI 1 devices on SCSI 2 host). Bah. When I wrote Initio in my original message, I meant Atto. Leaky brain. The Atto cards are great, from what I've read, but ones like the UL3D and UL4D are dual ported cards. I had a UL2D and it had to be installed in a non-Bridge slot in the Umax S900 in order to work. They will work fine in one of your MDD's slots, but *might* have problems if you get an expansion chassis. As I wrote, I don't know if Apple fixed that bug after the x500/x600 PCI PowerMacs. I think that the UL4D does not have support for OS9. You'll want to check that. So the UL3D may be your best choice amongst the Atto cards. If you want a single ported card, consider the Adaptec PowerDomain 29160, but check if OS support goes late enough for you. I have this vague feeling that Adaptec stopped providing updates at some point. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
On Aug 28, 11:43 am, Oliver Fairhall o.fairh...@gmail.com wrote: From memory, the SCSI maintains some level of backwards compatibility, as long as the appropriate cabling is used (eg SCSI 1 devices on SCSI 2 host). Thanks everyone for you help so far. Are there any suggestions for a suitable G4 with more PCI slots? Forgot a couple of questions. Yes, as far as I know all the SCSI controllers will drop back to earlier protocols if an older device is present on the bus. Some of the newer U320 SCSI drives won't, but that's probably not an issue for you in this case. The MDD has the most PCI slots you can get in a G4 PowerMac. It has four PCI slots, plus the AGP slot for the graphics card. It was a very nice machine in that way. The only way to get more PCI slots in one box would be to get a PowerMac 9500 (or 9600, or Daystar Genesis, or PowerComputing PowerTower Pro) and install a G4 upgrade. The 9500/9600 has six PCI slots. However, the 9500/9600 would have a much slower memory bus. The fastest G4 upgrade available is 800 MHz (was there a 1 GHz?). There's no AGP slot so your effective PCI slots drop to 5, because you spend one on a graphics card. There's no USB nor Firewire, so if you need those, that's another slot and you're back down to the four that the MDD has. It does have SCSI built-in, so potentially, that saves you a slot, but the faster of the two SCSI busses is only Fast SCSI (10 MB/s theoretical). The slow built-in SCSI also means that your hard drive access is slow unless you add a fast SCSI card and drives, or an ATA or SATA card, which would cost another PCI slot. Finally the built- in ethernet is 10 Mbps. So, unless you could live with all those limitations, I think the MDD has the most available PCI slots you can get. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
The audio output of the samplers is feeding an interface on my main studio PC. The MDD is not being used as the audio workstation host, or the main sequencer. It's mainly a DSP farm (again feeding my main interface on a PC). MDD will also be used to control the samplers more detailed functions (easier than the small hardware interfaces), off line sample editing, import/export/conversion of other audio into/out of the samplers, and some file storage. I did consider an older G3 just for sampler SCSI interfacing, but my home studio is getting too complicated/crowded already. A single legacy Mac would be preferable to me. A PCI expansion chassis is a reasonable solution for me. I'm already running 4 computers (including the MDD); my main PC as DAW, a laptop to edit my Nord modulars + daily computing, a legacy PC (rarely used for music, mostly just AXS http://www.resolutionaudio.nl/), but is there more for legacy RS-232 EPROM programming, and for some older music gear that requires true DOS environment for the occasional floppy based operation. One sampler also has it's own LCD monitor, so five monitors all up. Plus rack hardware, desktop controllers, and keyboard synths. Of course, this all comes with an ample serving of cable soup. Cheers, Oli On 29/08/12 00:54, Bruce Johnson wrote: I know nothing of this, but perhaps use another computer to control the samplers, feeding the output of that into your MDD somehow? Might be a lot easier to manage. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
One sampler also has it's own LCD monitor, so five monitors all up. Plus rack hardware, desktop controllers, and keyboard synths. Of course, this all comes with an ample serving of cable soup. Just thinking about your ‘cable soup’ and the number of monitors you have running - hot, easy to trip over and large electricity bill. Might it be worth running some form of VNC on your macs. (VNC, rebadged as ‘screen-sharing’ has been part of Mac OS since 10·3, IIRC.) - For OS9 macs, there’s ‘OS9vnc Server PPC’. I’m using it to observe and control my Pismo from my mac Pro just now. - For logging into and attempting to help with my parents’ PCs, I’ve used TightVNC and ChickenOfTheVNC, IIRC. (Bit slow over the interweb but OK over LAN.) (Before using screen-sharing so much, I used to use a 4-port KVM switch to swap my monitor between Pismo, XServe, main mac and work-provided mac but cables took over my desk and shelves, then eventually the KVM unit became flaky.) I guess VNC might slow your pooters slightly but it might be better than tripping over a cable and dragging loads of kit onto the deck with you. cheers Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
VLC vs Leopard
Hi, I finally updated my QuickSilver (2002) from Tiger to Leopard, yesterday. For the most part it went well. Clean install of 10.5.4 then applied the combo to get to 10.5.8. SU hit me with a bunch of stuff, like a Security Update and Java. But then I had to fetch the latest iTunes and QuickTime from Apple manually - they weren't showing up in Software Update at all! Performance seems good, except for VLC... I've got a bunch of mpeg-2 videos (direct DVD rips and such) that played quite well in VLC 0.9.10 on Tiger. But in VLC 2.0.2 they stutter badly, then VLC crashes! I reverted to 0.9.10, and they're playing smoothly again. Anyone else having problems with VLC 2? Is there a build between 0.9 and 2 that's worth trying, or should I just stick with 0.9.10? Thanks, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
What about saving over the Ethernet/LAN? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: VLC vs Leopard
On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Dan wrote: they (iTunes QuickTime) weren't showing up in Software Update at all! I noticed this behavior also. Think think Software Update has been limited to system software and everything else goes thru the AppStore now? The fact that Leopard doesn't have an AppStore app doesn't matter too much because Apple doesn't support Leopard or PPC any longer. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
