Re: Molasses response
I really hope this isn;t annoyingly verbose, and that my ignorance- based concerns about process here may look like I'm somehow arguing with your recommendations which is COMPLETELY not the case. There is , I think, something I failed to make clear. This is a long- overdue clean up of several systems that have been taking over from each other when one or the other got problems, done in a disorganised and ignorant manner over time. That's unpleasant but needs to be understood. IF it sounds confessional, well, I feel like these machines deserve a better caretaker than I've been. No excuse, just fact. I have two main systems here that are supposed to fulfill different functions, they are a mess right now since I haven't dealt well with crashes and transfers over the last 18 months. What I WANT (and used to have clearly) is: the G5 started as a wonderful G5 2.7 dual retired from video production and was a phenomenal audio workhorse. That G5 developed bad issues and is on the bench waiting for a new power supply. I simply moved the drives from it into a borrowed 1.8GHZ DUAL and proceeded from there. It is meant to be primarily a media workstation running the 10.4.11 era LOGIC and FINAL CUT PRO as well as PPC favorite things like AppleWorks and some OS9 stuff that works under CLASSIC. It I don;t plan to use it as regular internet access, though in a pinch it should have the basic capability there if needed. It;s currently the ONLY machine with legacy email history and account setups. The 1.83GHz INtel Core Duo iMac running 10.6.8 is the main everything- else computer (or, again, is SUPPOSED to be), supposed to be handling email, web access and all the usual office and personal stuff. It has iLife and some of the same programs installed on it as the G5 since it was the backup for the G5 at one point, but it's not as smooth working with the PPC programs. What I need (or THINK I need...) is to get the passwords, keychain items and other working elements off of the g5 onto the iMac so it can pick right up doing that. That's be MAIL accounts, log-in ID and Passwords for various website forums (forae?) and commercial sites like AMAZON, etc etc That process of Moving Things from teh G5 to The Imac needs to consider that the iMac is NOT a fresh clean machine but one already running programs on its own, needs some tweaking (it has user accounts that I no longer need on it for example) and my ignorance wonders about transferring EVERYTHING off the G5 to the iMac rather than just what MAIL and SAFARI need to connect and operate in place of the G5 versions. I do understand that there;s a plethora of OS stuff beyond that that may well have to go along to make the system happy. On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: How can I check for RAM problems? Install Applejack, boot in single-user mode and press X after starting Applejack to get to the memory test menu Haven;t done this yet Run disk repair. did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems I assume the $80 SEAGATE 7200's at BEST BUY are adequate? Yep/ Do I want to get something small, or to partition a 2T drive? No, I see no reason to partition drives unless you have need for multiple OS'es or a dedicated scratch partition. My ignorance to the fore here, Do I recall something about boot partition can;t be bigger than Some Size...? I just slapped the new 2T drive in for HD #2 and it works fine except for the odd sluggish response of iTunes (I have teh iTunes library on HD2) it seems this is just as simple, buy a drive, pop it in, CCC has been backing this #1 drive to the #2 (2T) drive for the last few days. If this is a straight-up volume-volume copy in CCC (and the 'Make Bootable' option is checked), just boot holding down the option key, select the CCC backup to boot from it. I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that the AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED DESTINATIONS ? run CCC to restore everything to the new drive and you're good to go. If it isn't, and you're insistent on sticking with 10.4 then it's a more difficult proposition, since you cannot use Migration Assistant. Don;t follow you there... why does 'sticking with 10.4.11' make this MORE difficult... it's 10.4.11 restoring to itself... or am I missing something? Again with my apparently endless ability to project more problems by assuming I'm missing key elements: INSTALL EMPTY NEW #1 DRIVE Boot under CCC backup (seemingly magically) just transfer CCC backup to empty drive #1 and I should be happy? Wasn;t that CCC backup from a damaged disk in the first place? Do Not Re-install OSX, Do not pass Go , do not pay local Mac Shop $200...? thanks tons for your patience here. I have spent my life doing troubleshoot/repair of analog systems and machines but this common
Re: VM figures
Thanks for the explanation Dan, it makes sense now. Ged On 27 /02/ 2013, at 20:51, Dan wrote: At 8:28 PM + 02/27/2013, geraldcornish wrote: Just looking for clarification about virtual memory. Mac OS 10.4.11, Pismo with 1GB memory Right now I have Activity monitor saying VM size is 8.11 GB but Terminal ls command shows only two 1GB vm swapfiles. Why is there this discrepancy? The swap files hold only *dirty* pages. Those are r/w pages that have been written. When paged out, their contents are saved in the swap file. Clean pages (r/o, r/w but unused) are simply deleted when paged out. When needed again, they are re-obtained from their original source, eg code in an app or framework. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
On Feb 27, 2013, at 8:13 PM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: The 1.83GHz INtel Core Duo iMac running 10.6.8 is the main everything-else computer (or, again, is SUPPOSED to be), supposed to be handling email, web access and all the usual office and personal stuff. It has iLife and some of the same programs installed on it as the G5 since it was the backup for the G5 at one point, but it's not as smooth working with the PPC programs. What I need (or THINK I need...) is to get the passwords, keychain items and other working elements off of the g5 onto the iMac so it can pick right up doing that. That's be MAIL accounts, log-in ID and Passwords for various website forums (forae?) and commercial sites like AMAZON, etc etc That process of Moving Things from teh G5 to The Imac needs to consider that the iMac is NOT a fresh clean machine but one already running programs on its own, needs some tweaking (it has user accounts that I no longer need on it for example) and my ignorance wonders about transferring EVERYTHING off the G5 to the iMac rather than just what MAIL and SAFARI need to connect and operate in place of the G5 versions. I do understand that there;s a plethora of OS stuff beyond that that may well have to go along to make the system happy. So long as you do not try to import a user with the same name as an existing one, this is what Migration Assistant is for. You can specify in the dialog whether you want users, applications or 'other files', and you can select users individually. However the imported users cannot have the same short name as an existing user on the iMac. Migration Assistant is smart enough to deal with your concerns, all you want to do is import the user profiles for your needs, which will include all settings like mail accounts, user keychains, etc. Really, Migration Assistant 'just works', and it works well; I use it all the time. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: So long as you do not try to import a user with the same name as an existing one, this is what Migration Assistant is for. You can specify in the dialog whether you want users, applications or 'other files', and you can select users individually. However the imported users cannot have the same short name as an existing user on the iMac. Migration Assistant is smart enough to deal with your concerns, all you want to do is import the user profiles for your needs, which will include all settings like mail accounts, user keychains, etc. Really, Migration Assistant 'just works', and it works well; I use it all the time. thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that stuff from the originating system? There was something I read also about authorizations of things like iTunes and other software that is registered. Again, my ignorance and history of having Unexpected Consequences resulting in mangled systems (or at least not what I intended) from this sort of thing has me badly gun-shy about losing things in a process. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: So long as you do not try to import a user with the same name as an existing one, this is what Migration Assistant is for. You can specify in the dialog whether you want users, applications or 'other files', and you can select users individually. However the imported users cannot have the same short name as an existing user on the iMac. Migration Assistant is smart enough to deal with your concerns, all you want to do is import the user profiles for your needs, which will include all settings like mail accounts, user keychains, etc. Really, Migration Assistant 'just works', and it works well; I use it all the time. thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that stuff from the originating system? No, MA is a read-only process, nothing is removed from the old system. There was something I read also about authorizations of things like iTunes and other software that is registered. iTunes authorization is partly based on the ethernet hardware address of the computer (it's how it keeps track of the five computers you can authorize); you need to authorize any new computer. Some software needs to have the serial number re-entered, but I've not run into that issue in a long time. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
Bruce (and all of you...!) thanks again for patience and guidance. Onwards... On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems Ok you've either got disk hardware issues or it's a corrupted volume. If it's the latter DiskWarrior can fix this. I see advantage to more storage on this machine so going ahead with the HD swap makes sense...? I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that the AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED DESTINATIONS ? No, in fact saving as a disk image is NOT what you want to do. I don't know what version of CCC you're using. 3.4.7 Older versions had a checkbox to allow the backup to be bootable, so long as the drive was formatted correctly and with the correct partition type. Just checked my version (v 3.3.3) and it will automatically create a bootable clone if the drive is properly formatted and you've selected a disk instead of disk image to back up to. so whatever is in the CCC backup -IS- my clone? I was looking in teh PREFERENCES box, adn nothing simply says MAKE A BOOTABLE DISK, there are 5 check boxes for various things - automatically create an archive of lion's recovery HD volume (checked) -automatically save to a disk image on non-HFS+ formatted destinations (NOT checked) - indicate when a block level clone is possible (NOT checked) -dont show a warning when choosing the startup disk as the destination (NOT checked) - ask for confirmation before pruning archive content during an ad- hoc task (checked) You mentioned a few files that CCC complains about. What are they? Cant seem to grab text from the CCC reports i saved... there are consistently 10 files that show up as flagged. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that stuff from the originating system? No, MA is a read-only process, nothing is removed from the old system. are existing things on the NEW system wiped and replaced by the incoming Migration, or just added-to... things like handshakes (user- id + password) on forums and such already on the new system in, say, SAFARI, do those get DUMPED and replaced and I'm left ONLY the stuff from the migrating system's SAFARI info, or does it all get combined (what I'd hope...)? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:53 AM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: Bruce (and all of you...!) thanks again for patience and guidance. Onwards... On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems Ok you've either got disk hardware issues or it's a corrupted volume. If it's the latter DiskWarrior can fix this. I see advantage to more storage on this machine so going ahead with the HD swap makes sense...? I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that the AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED DESTINATIONS ? No, in fact saving as a disk image is NOT what you want to do. I don't know what version of CCC you're using. 3.4.7 Older versions had a checkbox to allow the backup to be bootable, so long as the drive was formatted correctly and with the correct partition type. Just checked my version (v 3.3.3) and it will automatically create a bootable clone if the drive is properly formatted and you've selected a disk instead of disk image to back up to. so whatever is in the CCC backup -IS- my clone? Yes. I was looking in teh PREFERENCES box, adn nothing simply says MAKE A BOOTABLE DISK, there are 5 check boxes for various things - automatically create an archive of lion's recovery HD volume (checked) -automatically save to a disk image on non-HFS+ formatted destinations (NOT checked) - indicate when a block level clone is possible (NOT checked) -dont show a warning when choosing the startup disk as the destination (NOT checked) - ask for confirmation before pruning archive content during an ad-hoc task (checked) If the CCC dialog looks like this when you've selected the appropriate disks, then it's bootable http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/ccc.png (I added the red oval) You mentioned a few files that CCC complains about. What are they? Cant seem to grab text from the CCC reports i saved... there are consistently 10 files that show up as flagged. Email me one of the reports offlist, I'll look at them. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:58 AM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that stuff from the originating system? No, MA is a read-only process, nothing is removed from the old system. are existing things on the NEW system wiped and replaced by the incoming Migration, or just added-to... things like handshakes (user-id + password) on forums and such already on the new system in, say, SAFARI, do those get DUMPED and replaced and I'm left ONLY the stuff from the migrating system's SAFARI info, or does it all get combined (what I'd hope…)? This is where the issue of duplicate users comes in. You can only use MA to import unique users. (It's smart enough with the applications and such to not duplicate older apps, etc) If I have Mac A user 'Sam' and Mac B, user 'Joe', I can use MA on Mac B to import user Sam and all his settings, files etc from Mac A to Mac B. You cannot use MA to *merge* two user accounts. If I have Mac A user 'Sam' and Mac B, also user 'Sam', I CAN NOT use MA on Mac B to import user Sam and all his settings, files etc from Mac A to Mac B. This is most common when folks do the standard Mac setup and end up with one account 'Your Name' on the computer THEN want to import their old settings. This won't work. There are several ways to do this: Presuming we have the user account 'Sara' on both Macs. If the account on MacB was just created (ie, it's a brand new Mac, or you just added that user) the fix is simple: Create a new administrative user on Mac B. Log off as Sara and in as the new user. Delete the user Sara on Mac B, then use MA to import the Sara account from Mac A. If the Sara account on MacB has been in use (Ie: there's stuff you wish to keep), you can change the Sara account on Mac B to have a different name http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1428, then use MA to import Sara from Mac A. Then you end up with two accounts to swap back and forth between. Pretty cumbersome. You can do it the hard hard way. Connect MacA to Mac B via FWTarget mode or sharing files over the network you can copy Sara-MacA's files over to Sara-MacB's folders, import the emails, etc. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2980#key Will give you some help doing this. You may be able to import the keychain using Keychain access on MacB, but Im not sure. You may have to do it manually, the hard way, opening Keychain Access on Mac A and opening each item in the login keychain and viewing it, writingit down and manually entering it on Mac B as needed. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Molasses response
THIS all starts to make sense from what I was reading... what -I- want to do is not what it's set up to do... thanks. You cannot use MA to *merge* two user accounts. You can do it the hard hard way. Connect MacA to Mac B via FWTarget mode or sharing files over the network you can copy Sara-MacA's files over to Sara-MacB's folders, import the emails, etc. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2980#key Will give you some help doing this. You may be able to import the keychain using Keychain access on MacB, but Im not sure. You may have to do it manually, the hard way, opening Keychain Access on Mac A and opening each item in the login keychain and viewing it, writingit down and manually entering it on Mac B as needed. I don;t mind the tediousness, just the likelyhood of making a mistake or missing something. I got some studyin to do... -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
