Re: Mavericks install

[Kris Tilford]

On Jul 5, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:
> 
> No, Mavericks doesn't have *SIP*.

Yes, this is what I was referring to, “System Integrity Protection” which is 
not available for Mavericks. System Integrity Protection (SIP), also referred 
to as 'rootless' is a feature of El Capitan that protects system processes, 
files and folders from being modified or tampered with by other processes even 
when executed by the root user or by a user with root privileges (sudo). Root 
user access can be a significant risk factor to the system's security.

This is all true, and a very good reason for an ‘old lady’ to be using El 
Capitan.

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Re: Mavericks install

[Cameron Kaiser]

> This seems like a reason to install the newer OS X version. Mavericks
> doesn't utilize code signing, so the entire system software is open to
> malware attacks, whereas El Capitan has locked down system software

No, Mavericks doesn't have *SIP*. Mavericks most definitely has Gatekeeper.

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Re: Mavericks install

[Kris Tilford]

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Jörg Duurkoop  wrote:
> 
> The owner of the MacBook is an older lady to whom I had to explain very basic 
> computer stuff so I don't want to challenge her with a new OSX version.

This seems like a reason to install the newer OS X version. Mavericks doesn’t 
utilize code signing, so the entire system software is open to malware attacks, 
whereas El Capitan has locked down system software, so for an older woman who 
doesn’t know anything, having a “hardened system” is probably a better idea.

>  now she gets 4GB of RAM instead of 2 and a 1 TB HD instead of 160GB.

Seems unlikely an old woman would need a terabyte HD. For a similar price I’d 
think a 128GB SSD would make that old MacBook a lot faster in speed. El Capitan 
would work better with an SSD because of built-in TRIM support that would 
require a 3rd-party enabler in Mavericks.

Note that these old 2009 MacBooks are “end of life” for Apple now, with El 
Capitan being the final OS version supported, but there is a Sierra enabler 
already available to allow Sierra onto these. Sierra will come with the new 
Apple file system optimized for SSDs.

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Re: Mavericks install

[peterhaas]

> BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these
> babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?

It is a sign of the times.

Chromebooks generally have soldered RAM (either 2 banks of 1 GB = 2 GB
total or 2 banks of 2 GB = 4 GB total), but some VERY OLD pre-Haswell
models have one or two DDR3 SO-DIMM slots, and these models are YEARS out
of production.

Chromeboxes, OTOH, have SO-DIMM slots, DDR3L, with everyone but HP
"stuffing" both banks, whereas HP "stuffs" only bank 0 on its Celeron
models, although bank 1 is indeed "printed". This showing of false economy
on HP's part gives its Celeron owners a choice of up to 8 GB in one stick
(one bank), and Core i owners a choice of up to 16 GB in two sticks (two
banks). Most Chromeboxes are Haswell, or Haswell-refresh.

Also, Chromebooks are now tending to move away from M.2 42mm SSDs (16 GB
or 32 GB is the most common), in favor of eMMC SSDs which are soldered.

Already, the Intel 802.11a/b/g/n/ac + BT card is being soldered.

Manufacturers would rather you did your upgrades by purchasing a new
machine, rather than incrementally adding-in low-cost devices.

Again, a sign of the times, and Apple Inc is not immune.




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Re: Mavericks install

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jörg Duurkoop 
> wrote:

BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these 
babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?

Not uncommon at all for the ultrabook category. It’s part of how you make it so 
thin and Apple’s not the only one doing that. This seems unusual though, in my 
experience the MBA’s have been quite reliable; the ONLY failures I’ve seen here 
have been user-instigated, mostly dumping liquids on the kb. They seem to 
attract coffee spills.

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Re: Mavericks install

[Jörg Duurkoop]

Hi

Thanks seeker & Kris. I found the latest Mavericks and installed it via the 
USB stick procedure. The owner of the MacBook is an older lady to whom I 
had to explain very basic computer stuff so I don't want to challenge her 
with a new OSX version.

After all, I found out that her corrupt HD was the result of faulty RAM so 
now she gets 4GB of RAM instead of 2 and a 1 TB HD instead of 160GB. She is 
very thankful. Glad I can help her.

BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these 
babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?

Greetings from the Netherlands.

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