Re: Cleaning computer keyboard
I have more than one keyboard, several more. Clark Martin A designated driver on the information Super Highway > On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Johnson > wrote: > > The trick is remembering where the keys are to log onto the computer to see > the Keyboard Viewer 8-P > >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Clark Martin > <mailto:cm...@sonic.net>> wrote: >> >> I’ve always used the keyboard viewer when putting the keys back on. >> >> System Preferences - > Keyboard -> Keyboard Tab -> check Show Keyboard, >> Emoji & Symbol Viewers in menu bar >> Then menu bar -> keyboard menu -> Show Keyboard Viewer >> -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/g3-5-list/9FBB68C8-A1B9-49C9-9C73-EB30CE9DCB1E%40sonic.net.
Re: Cleaning computer keyboard
I’ve always used the keyboard viewer when putting the keys back on. System Preferences - > Keyboard -> Keyboard Tab -> check Show Keyboard, Emoji & Symbol Viewers in menu bar Then menu bar -> keyboard menu -> Show Keyboard Viewer Clark Martin A designated driver on the information Super Highway > On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: > > It's a wired model. Model A1048, to be exact. I think I first called it an > A1049. > > This thing has so much accumulated grunge that it's going to have to be > disassembled to clean it. And I will be sure to photograph it first so I get > all the keys back where they belong! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/g3-5-list/86CEECDD-D108-4AF7-8CF1-3199683108A9%40sonic.net.
Re: G4 won't finish booting
If the OP wants to confirm this, disconnect the HDD, power and data and boot. It SHOULD come up with the “I want a disk” screen. If it shuts down, it certainly isn’t the HDD. A lot of simple debugging can be done by disconnecting things. Minimum for a test is video, power and one bank of memory, no USB, no serial, no ADB, no network, no expansion cards (except for video if needed), etc. Clark Martin A designated driver on the information Super Highway > On Mar 4, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Johnson <john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> > wrote: > >> On Feb 24, 2018, at 3:44 PM, Mac User #330250 <macuser330...@gmx.net >> <mailto:macuser330...@gmx.net>> wrote: >> >>> >>> Even if the HDD was toast, the Mac would not shutdown: it would say "I can't >>> find any boot disk" - or something like that. >>> And if the HDD was corrupted, the Mac would show the folder icon with a >>> flashing question mark (meaning "Cannot find a valid system to boot"). >> >> HDD failures don't have to be total. Sometimes only some sectors are >> corrupted and that's what makes it act up, including the possibility to >> have it shut down on its own afer a certain timeout. > > I’ve dealt with failing disks a number of times on both Classic and OS X over > the years and this will not cause the system to shut down like this. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: PRAM of MDD
Typically you can run okay without a PRAM battery. One problem I have observed with a low battery in some models is a failure to start. Simply removing the battery allowed the machine to start. I don’t know if the MDD is one of the machines that exhibits this behavior. Clark Martin A designated driver on the information Super Highway > On Nov 12, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Jörg <yaw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > Sometimes I get a warning after startup of my MDD running Tiger that my clock > is not set right. I understand that's probably a PRAM battery problem. > > As my clock is set to be connected to the internet I always see the right > date and time. There are no other problems as far as I know. > > What problems are known to occur when a MDD has a weak PRAM battery? Is ist > absolutely necessary to change it? Thanks for your comments. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Freezing HDD
I’ve got a large collection of drive magnets and disk platters from the many drives I have disassembled over the years. Clark Martin A designated driver on the information Super Highway > On Mar 11, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Bruce Johnson <john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> > wrote: > > >> On Mar 11, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Kris Tilford <ktilfo...@cox.net> wrote: >> >> Failing HDs need to be copied ASAP and trashed, they can’t be saved, only >> the data on them can be saved. >> >> > > Well you can save some cool and useful magnets, shiny disks and various > chunks of aluminum from them, too 8-P -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Freezing HDD
There is a much less risky step you can try first. Hold the drive and give it a twist around the disk spin axis, as hard as you can. This can often unstick the heads. If that doesn’t do it then you can try opening it up. Clark Martin A designated driver on the information Super Highway > On Mar 11, 2017, at 2:17 PM, 'Gary Brown' via G-Group > <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Just last week I fixed an old HD by taking it apart and giving the head a > nudge. > Beforehand it would not mount - Drive Setup could see the drive, but not the > disk inside. Afterwards it worked fine! > Bit annoyed I hadn't tried this before on the many drives I've been through... > Opening any HD has a risk - there was nothing important on this HD so I > didn't have to worry about doing any permanent damage. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: PowerMac G5 1.8DP major problem
Check the PRAM battery voltage or simply remove and boot. Try removing all the memory and re-inserting it. Then start up. Remove all memory and clean the memory card contacts with a clean eraser, very lightly. Then re-insert them and start up. Remove all but one DIMM and boot. Repeat with each of the other DIMMs. With all the memory installed, remove any PCI cards other than hat is minimally necessary to get video out, disconnect all cables other than power and the minimal video and try to boot. Clark Martin KK6ISP Yet another designated driver on the information super highway. > On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:53 AM, geraldcornish <geraldcorn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Help > > Power mac G5 1.8DP Tiger 10.4.11 all updates in place > > This morning... > > Woke it up, collected emails, deleted three, mouse froze, pulled it out > plugged it in, no joy, checked keyboard, nothing happening! > > Force shut down, restarted, chime, low fan noise, no display (2x17" ADC, one > via apples power gadget into DVI). > > Force shut down, restarted, held down T for Target Disc Mode, one chime, no > sign of drives on firewire connected G4. > Tried this several times including with display card removed *. > > Force shut down, restarted, Cmmd+Opt+P+R, only one chime, no further action. > > Could this be caused by a duff display card - see *? > > I moved the startup drive to the G4 with an ide/sata adapter and am working > off it now so not a drive problem. > > What is more likely to be the problem? > > What does anyone think I should try to do to resolve the problem before > looking for a replacement? > > Regards to all > > Ged > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > ---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "G-Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: factory restore for Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.25 dual core
KK6ISP Yet another designated driver on the information super highway. > On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Jurgen Van den Bosschewrote: > > Hi, > > A while back I bought this machine it had mac os 10.5 running. > > I was hoping to run mac os 9.2 on it and maybe os X and some linux on it. > > On macintoshgarden I found various cdroms, mac os 10.1 mac os 9.2 for this > machine and 5 cd set to restore mac. Are you sure the Restore disks are for this model of G4 (Mirror Drive Door???)? > > However mac os x does not boot. There maybe a firmware issue. I don't know of a specific issue with this machine and OS X but some machines require a firmware update before they can run X. > > mac os 9.2 does boot but does not find any hard disks What do you mean it doesn't find the HD? Doesn't appear in Finder, in HDSC Setup, in Drive Setup or something else. > > The restore cdrom do boot, but does not find any hard disk. > > The special mac os 9.2 found on the net for unsuppoted machines does work out > of the box, but I was hoping to first see if factory default does not offer > better support. What if any system DOES see the HD? > > Any ideas why no hd shows up with orignal restore, mac os 9, and mac os x > 10.1 Does not boot? > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: MDD Dual G4 Startup woes
I know this applies to at least one Mac, possibly this one (it's been a while since I've been inside my MDD), look to see if the motherboard has two buttons on it. If it does, one performs a CUDA reset and the other turns on the power. I can't recall if it is marked but give each one, in turn, a push. KK6ISP Yet another designated driver on the information super highway. On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Digital Bill wlwdes...@gmail.com wrote: I have a dual G4 MDD with a startup problem. It’s been “finicky” for a while, requiring holding the power button for a few seconds to start up – and not a soft touch at that; when I say “holding” I mean *holding*/*pushing* hard – so upon returning home from the long Memorial Day weekend I decided to open it up and give it a thorough cleaning of the dust and dirt and cat hair. But when I went to start it I got only a brief flicker of the power button light before…nothing. And subsequent attempts don’t even generate that much activity. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iMac G5/2ghz 20 random sleep
KK6ISP Yet another designated driver on the information super highway. On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:51 PM, les simo bababal...@gmail.com wrote: My iMac G5 OS X 10.4.11 has been running flawlessly for 11/2 yrs. Suddenly it randomly completely shuts down. I can start with power switch, but it soon shuts down again. I opened the case, cleaned thoroughly and inspected caps. All pristine. Power supply appears clean from outside.I am hesitant to open it. Does this indicate a PSU problem? Can it be replaced safely? First question is, does it shutdown or shut off? By shutdown I mean does it quit applications and log out he user. Or does it suddenly shut off as if you unplugged the power cord? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Installing New HDD in my G5
On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:05 PM, NODEraser wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Evan Thomas spe...@gmail.com wrote: Currently I'm running a 40GB system disc and 250GB for video projects. I'd like to use the 250GB as the system disc and start using the new 500GB for the video projects. What's the best solution? 250 GB - 500 GB 40 GB - 250 GB Although I would recommend a fresh OS install, you should be fine everything else. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but I think the problem here could be that to transfer the 250 to the 500 you need to be booted from the 40Gb drive in order to make the copy. This means you need three drives mounted at once which may be one too many. I have a PowerMac G5 but I didn't need to do such a shuffle when setting it up so I'm not sure about this. If it is a limitation and the OP doesn't have a way to mount a SATA drive via Firewire or USB then he'll need to do a bit of fancy footwork. If there is room you could: Connect the 40Gb and 250Gb Use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy (without deleting any files) from the 40Gb to the 250Gb. Remove the 40Gb and install the 500Gb Format the 500Gb Finder copy the Video files, etc., from the 250Gb to the 500Gb drive Delete the files from the 250Gb that were copied. Otherwise you'd need to: Connect the 40Gb and 500Gb Format the 500Gb Use CCC to copy from the 40Gb to the 500Gb Remove the 40Gb and install the 250Gb Finder copy the Video files, etc., from the 250Gb to the 500Gb drive Delete the files from the 250Gb that were copied. Use CCC to copy from the 500Gb to the 250Gb the OS and anything else but the files originally on the 250Gb. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 Tibook 256 colors
On Nov 25, 2013, at 1:48 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 1:21 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Dan wrote: At 9:00 AM -0800 11/25/2013, John AOL wrote: I have a G4 Titanium PowerBook that I need to display 256 colors when booted in OS9.2.2 but it only shows Millions. How can I do this In OS 9, aren't the display capabilities included in the various profiles? Perhaps you've lost some of the profiles? Have you tried zapping the pram? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Yes I did all that stuff I can even copy the drive from a working Cube and a G4 PowerMac and the 25 still doesn't show it does work on the machine in 10.4.11? John I can boot it with a system folder on a USB stick and it works but if I copy that folder onto the HDD it only will give millions of colors, This is crazy? My first thought is that perhaps you aren't booting from THAT system after you copy it over. After you copy it over does the System Folder on the hard disk have the System Folder ICON or a normal Folder ICON? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 Tibook 256 colors
On Nov 25, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:21 PM -0800 11/25/2013, John Carmonne wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Dan wrote: At 9:00 AM -0800 11/25/2013, John AOL wrote: I have a G4 Titanium PowerBook that I need to display 256 colors when booted in OS9.2.2 but it only shows Millions. How can I do this In OS 9, aren't the display capabilities included in the various profiles? Perhaps you've lost some of the profiles? Have you tried zapping the pram? Yes I did all that stuff I can even copy the drive from a working Cube and a G4 PowerMac and the 25 still doesn't show it does work on the machine in 10.4.11? John, you make my brain hurt trying to parse that sentence. Have you run out of punctuation? Try booting into OS 9 with extensions off, then open the control panel... Maybe hold down option while you open the control panel? ... There was a key combo or something that made that panel display all available options, I think. Opening the Memory Panel with Command-Option (IIRC) showed an additional option (to skip the memory test on startup) but I don't recall hearing of a key combo to make the Display CP work different. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 PowerMac OS9 with two monitors?
On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:11 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I have a G4 Dual 1.25 PowerMac that I want to run OS 9.2.2 with two monitors, Can this be done? Do I need some extension or Control panel for it? Nope, just either two compatible video cards or one card with two video outputs. Mac OS all the way back to OS 6 supported multiple monitors. Earlier than that. The Mac II and SE running System 3 did it from the beginning. And there were add on video schemes for the Plus that supported dual displays, however I don't know how much if any the OS was patched to support this. There was a full page display for the Plus and a color display that plugged connected via the SCSI port. It used Quickdraw I which supported 8 colors. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iBook G4 worth buying?
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mira Kehoe wrote: Thanks for the advice. I may bring the installer discs and give it a try, even as an experiment. I can't imagine getting rid of a computer with personal info. on it, but it sounds like it's fairly common. Maybe I could get them to reduce the price since it doesn't have the power cord. Aside from e-bay and resellers, most of the Macs I've acquired either had nothing done to remove user data or the other extreme, the hard disk removed. I got a Pismo for a nice price but I did have go online and find a supplier for a replacement drive cable and carrier. They had pulled the drive / carrier and cut the drive cable. In addition to no power cord, emphasize the (presumably) dead battery. The worse it sounds, hopefully the cheaper they'll go. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 kernal panic, anyone want to decipher?
On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:54 AM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote: G5/1.8 dual. I had just watched a youtube video via perian and was opening iTunes when this happened [er exactly what happened?] Interval Since Last Panic Report: 4611287 sec Panics Since Last Report: 2 Anonymous UUID:097DF688-CA60-40A7-BDA5-19EB616FA08B Wed Jul 31 12:47:18 2013 Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 1): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x PC=0x000B57E4 Latest crash info for cpu 1: Exception state (sv=0x26d18500) PC=0x000B57E4; MSR=0x9030; DAR=0x; DSISR=0x4000; LR=0x00946A00; R1=0x1EB17910; XCP=0x000C (0x300 - Data access) Backtrace: 0x0094696C 0x00946EA8 0x0092F9A8 0x0092D570 0x0071F928 0x0070D7E4 0x006F309C 0x006F902C 0x00CF1E98 0x00CF907C 0x00CF9194 0x0036011C 0x0003F2A0 0x000B1DD4 Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.apple.NVDAResmanPPC(5.4.8)@0x71e000-0x99efff dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.7.3)@0x706000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x644000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.7.3)@0x6e com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.7.3)@0x706000-0x71dfff dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x644000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.7.3)@0x6e com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.7.3)@0x6e-0x705fff dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x644000 com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily(1.5.5)@0xccc000-0xd17fff Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x26d18500) previously dumped as Latest state. skipping... Exception state (sv=0x18a81000) PC=0x; MSR=0xD030; DAR=0x; DSISR=0x; LR=0x; R1=0x; XCP=0x (Unknown) BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task What Dan and Bruce said. The specific oops happened somewhere in the video driver. That MAY be relevant especially since you were watching a video just before it, it's possible Perian or something didn't turn back out correctly. Or, this is the equivalent of an auto wreck where the kernal panic report is saying you hit a tree but isn't telling you the cause was the driver was texting. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 29 Jul 2013, at 15:14:29 PDT, NODEraser wrote: Have you tried another hard drive? I had a Mini that would spin its fans up to max on powerup, but with a blank screen. It came back to life as soon as the sketchy drive was disconnected. --- Haven't tried a new HD as I don't have any serial ATA drives on hand. This the first machine (other than my wife's laptop) that uses these. I was hoping to resurrect this machine with no significant $$ outlay. I did as John Carmonne suggested (reset CUDA and reseat RAM) but still no joy. Try just disconnecting the HD. If it's the HD you should get the flashing question mark. If it does then stick in the boot DVD-ROM and see if it comes up okay. Try pulling the PRAM battery. I don't know if the G5 will boot this way but it's worth a shot. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Airport Card not detected on PowerMac G4 MDD
On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: Card purchased on LEM swap list, installed per User Guide instructions, antenna connected. System profiler does not detect it, and there is no Airport option in Network control panel. Hardware Overview: Model Name: Power Mac G4 Model Identifier: PowerMac3,6 Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Processor Speed:1.25 GHz Number Of CPUs: 2 L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 2 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 Serial Number (system): XB40905UQ6P Hardware UUID: --1000-8000-000A95CFC548 OS is 10.5.8. Is an Airport base station necessary for the Airport card to be detected? I do not yet have one. Absolutely not, I have several computers with various Airport cards and they worked long before I had an Airport Base Station. Try reseating the card. Make sure it's in the right way. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Airport Card not detected on PowerMac G4 MDD
On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:31 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I believe the earliest airport cards, the ones which are a shortie PCMCIA card, are 802.11a, only, and that is probably why one might think these can only work with an Apple Airport access point, as by that time, everyone (Cisco, and a great many others) had already moved beyond 802.11a and were supporting 802.11b and 802.11n, but NOT 802.11a. The earliest Airport cards are b only. I don't recall ever hearing of Apple offering a card that supported a. 802.11a is a poor design, which is undoubtedly why later adopters eschewed Apple's preferred 802.11a, and went immediately with 802.11b or b and n. Most WiFi USB dongles are 802.11b/n, and some of these are so highly integrated that these can be made using only one LSI chip (Realtek), whereas before, these required at least two chips (protocol chip and a transmitter/receiver chip, as in the formerly ubiquitous ZyDas products). In general, (meaning Airport and non-Airport) cards support b, newer ones support b g, and even newer ones also support b, g n. Some third party cards also support a. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dead G5 dual 1.8 tower
On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:54 PM, NODEraser wrote: On Jul 16, 2013 9:09 AM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: It is a special lithium battery which is trickle-charged by the machine's PSU when it is not in use. I'm pretty sure the lithium batteries (both CR2032 and 1/2 AA) are primary cells, and attempting to recharge them is not a good idea. I've never heard of any computers or other electronics that use CMOS/PRAM/holdup batteries that recharge their lithium cells. You are right both that the listed batteries are primary cells and that charging them is BAD. The PSU takes over for the battery when the machine is on but in most cases it doesn't charge them. Some Powerbooks did use rechargable Li cells for the PRAM battery. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dead after copying files to an external firewire drive.
On Jul 5, 2013, at 8:38 PM, spilrules wrote: Here is what I noticed as I played around with things. After taking out the old DC input board and installing the new one, I plugged in the old one that was out of the system and noticed that the AC power cord would light up in the orange color that it usually would do when the battery was not fully charged. I disassembled the laptop again and found that if I unplugged the little wired cable that connects from the DC input board to the motherboard and plugged the AC power cord back in, it would light up orange, just as the old board did that was removed from the laptop. When I plug this cable back into the motherboard and re-install the AC power cord, it does not light up, thus it will not charge the battery and certainly will not start up the computer. I am wondering now if this is a sign of a bad motherboard? If so, any advance warnings, suggestions, etc. or should I just keep it as an attractive paperweight or bookend? I think you are right about the motherboard. BUT... try disconnecting the following and power it up: Harddrive Memory Keyboard Trackpad WiFi card Anything external Then try it with ANYTHING plugged into the motherboard -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: is there still a G3-5 list?
On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Stats: G4 flat screen goose neck iMac running 10.4; I am the administrator, but a teenage girl has an account. She has the only Mac computer in the house. There is a Windows computer and a couple iPads and iPods sharing the network. The iMac turns itself on. That did NOT happen at my house! How can I figure out how this is happening and if someone has hacked into it? First thing I'd check is to see if it's been set to turn on automatically at some time; this is in the schedule section of the Enerygy Saver prefs; at least in 10.8 it is; I haven't been on a system running 10.4 in a dogs age, but I'm pretty sure it's in there, or maybe it's own preferences pane. This may be settable by a non-administrator. Also, don't discount the simplest explanations…something bumped the button on the side, pretty easy to do, actually, on a G4 iMac. To the OP, are you sure it turned on and didn't simply wake up? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: USB problem
On May 3, 2013, at 1:47 PM, joe duran wrote: Have a G5 2.0ghz DP (A1047) running Leopard 10.5.8. Recently it developed a strange bug which I think must be hardware related. The mouse is plugged into the keyboard and the keyboard is plugged directly into one of the rear USB ports. When booting with the Option key held down to select an alternate startup drive (firewire external), I get no mouse or keyboard action (I get a mouse pointer but it does not move). The mouse laser does not light up. However when allowing the system to boot off the default internal drive and come up into the OS, the mouse and keyboard work fine. In both cases I can see the mouse flash twice during startup then it goes off. When booting into the regular drive, the mouse laser then comes back on. I have tried resetting the PRAM several times, tried different USB port, unplugged other USB devices, pressed the SMU button on the motherboard, powered off and unplugged the machine then held the power button down. None of these things have made a difference. I tried the external drive, mouse and keyboard on another G5 and everything works perfectly, plugged in the same way. Being that the USB port works under OS control but not under firmware, could it be a case of corrupted firmware? I admit I am stumped and have worked on Macs for years. Never had this problem before. Any ideas? Yes I have googled this and found some similar reports, but nothing that really helped. The USB port(s) the keyboard and mouse are plugged into are motherboard port(s)? Are the mouse and keyboard Apple brand? Have you tried another mouse and keyboard plugged into the G5 in question. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?
On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:26 AM, spilrules wrote: I did exactly what Clark recommended, and it did not change anything. When I plug the AC charger in, it does not light up as it used to. Could this be a problem with the AC connection jack that is in the powerbook? Does anyone think that this part may have failed as I cannot think of what else would prevent it from getting any power. Could a power surge possible ruin this part and not damage the AC power/charger device? It's a DC connection jack in the PowerBook and yes, it could be faulty as could the AC power supply. A power surge would be much more likely to damage the power supply rather than the DC power in circuitry in the PowerBook. What does the computer show as far as charging state in the menu? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:01 PM, spilrules t...@tomstock.us wrote: I am guessing at this point that the DC inboard jack has diedbut why? Any other thoughts are gladly accepted! Very likely the DC in board has failed. The jack seems to be a common failure point, not surprising considering the abuse it takes. I think I have heard of people repairing them, usually resoldering the jack. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?
On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Eric Hall wrote: Did you take the battery completely out, wait a few and put it back in? Or try to start it without the battery? Take the battery out, unplug the adapter and press the power button and wait 10 minutes. Then reconnect power and hit the power button, then insert the battery. This should drain any capacitors that may be holding enough charge to keep some circuits powered and in a confused state. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Migrate fro G4 to iMac G5
On Mar 3, 2013, at 2:14 PM, les simo wrote: Hi all, I have a G4/350 Sawtooth and will be receiving an iMac G5/2.0 shortly. I wish to migrate(I hope this is the correct term) IOW. transfer all contents of the G4 to the iMac. What is the most efficient way to accomplish this?BTW I do not have any external drives, so this will have to be a computer to computer transfer. The G4 is running OS X 10.4.11 and so will the iMac G5 If you wish to make the G5 look just like the G4 then you can connect the two together using a firewire cable, start up one in Target Disk Mode (TDM), then boot off that drive and copy from the boot drive to the other using Carbon Copy Cloner www.bombich.com. TDM makes the drive in a computer look like a firewire drive. You start it by booting and holding down the 't' key. The screen will show a firewire symbol (something like a 'Y') bouncing around the screen. Once the G4 is started in TDM and both are connected together, start the G5 and hold down the option key. A window showing available boot drives, a try again button and a proceed arrow should appear. Click on the ICON for the G4 drive and then the arrow button on the right. It will boot from the G4 HD. Launch Carbon Copy Cloner and copy from the G4 to the G5. If the G5 has Leopard (10.5) on it you might want to consider using it though. If you do you can use Migration Assistant to transfer stuff from the G4 to the G5. Again you can do this using a firewire cable and TDM. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Spillage on keyboard - broken beyond repair?
On Jan 16, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Yesterday I spilled some juice all over my Apple Keyboard. It is the Aluminium USB version. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/B/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Keyboard#Apple_Keyboard_.28109_keys.29 It is model A1243 introduced in 2007; System requirements were back than Mac OS X 10.4.something; in the store it’s now 10.6.something… After unplugging it I washed it using water, but the juice was in so deep that I feared I won’t get it all out without enought water, so I put it under running water. I inverted it and allowed it to try for about 20 hours. I later found that 24 to 48 hours would have been better: http://guides.macrumors.com/Spilled_Liquid_On_My_Mac_or_Keyboard The good news: the built-in USB hub works. The bad news: the keyboard doesn’t. Not one keypress was recognized by the system. I tried to find a solution on YouTube, like how to open it, but I cannot find a good video that would help. Most videos deal with how to clean the individual keys rather than how to open it. Did I plug it in too early? Could it really be broken beyond repair? All suggestions are wellcome… The good news is a keyboard is one of the least likely things to take permanent damage from spillage. I'm not familiar with the guts of that model (meaningI haven't stripped one down, yet), but if you can remove the keycaps do that and then let it sit somewhere where it's warm (on top of a computer or CRT monitor) and let it set for a week. If that doesn't work try a month Normally for something like this I'd wash it with Isopropyl Alcohol but that only works if you can wash the water and juice off the keyboard. If you can't open it up it would just move the contaminants around. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Access Problem from TV to Mini
On Jan 1, 2013, at 4:06 AM, Gary D. wrote: Pretty far OT but maybe someone can give me a tip to get me off dead center. I have a new Panasonic TV that is WLAN capable with which I have internet access (YouTube, etc.) but I have not been able to access my Mac Mini running 10.6.8 so that I can display my pictures, video clips, etc. on the TV. I have turned on sharing, set sharing using both AFP and FTP, marked folders and volumes for sharing and turned off the firewall but I still can't get connected. Entering the IP address given by the mini for access in the TV bowser brings up an can't access error message. Any ideas about what I am doing wrong or haven't taken into consideration. Any tips would be much appreciated. Wild guess but the TV probably wants to access a SMB (Samba) server (ie Windows). Try turning that on in the Mini's Sharing prefs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: older MacMini and OS 9.1
On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Murray wrote: Thanks for the reply. I just want to install OS 9 and run it from the machine. My main interest is to be able to access my old Address Book program from many years ago, I shall have to pull it off my old 9600/300 Power PC, which is gathering dust behind a sofa in my room. On Jan 1, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: Classic should work fine for that purpose. You don't need the OS 9 drivers installed, that is only for booting into OS 9 which the Mini can't do anyway. Just go ahead and run the OS 9 installer and you should be good. I have an older PPC MacMini 7400 running OS X 4.11 which i purchased overseas a while back. When I reformatted the drive, using the original disks, I didn't bother installing the system 9.1 option. Now I would like to do so. If I run the installer for OS 9.1.(I think it's on disk #2) will it load without having to reformat the entire drive again for OS X 4.11, or should I save all my files, onto a largish external USB drive which I have, do it all over again, or perhaps, just forget the whole thing. If you're talking about installing Classic, the Classic installer will just install Classic and 9.2.2, and will not reformat your disk or touch 10.4 otherwise. If you're talking about installing OS 9, no Mac mini can boot Mac OS 9; they can only run Classic. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor traveling band flicker
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Dec 6, 2012, at 12:15 PM, JohnV vengbj...@verizon.net wrote: G5 1.8 dual running 10.4.11. 2 monitors DELL wide and a Westinghouse 1.33 It's all ben real stable but today I see that teh square Westinghouse monitor has very slight repeating lighter and darker horizontal 1' bands that slowly drift from top to bottom with a little bit of a flicker to them. Step one, swap the monitors and see if the problem follows the monitor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 locks up while playing streaming audio
On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:05 PM, faithie999 wrote: i have a mac mini G4 running 10.5.8. yesterday (i thought it was a fluke at the time) and again just now, it locked up while playing streaming audio in firefox 3.6.24. the mini was completely unresponsive, so i held the power button until it shut down. then powered back on, got the startup chime, but then a gray screen with no apple. i tried resetting PRAM, letting it cycle thru three startup chimes, but same result--gray screen but no apple. then i decided to try booting into open firmware to see if the machine was completely dead. this worked, and at the prompt i typed mac-boot and immediately the apple, then gearwheel, appeared, and it rebooted fine. as i said above, this just happened again (altho i booted into open firmware without resetting PRAM, so that troubleshooting step had no effect). i know this is an ancient version of firefox, and i am now using safari for the streaming audio, but i'm curious why after a forced shutdown the mini wouldn't restart normally, and why issuing the mac-boot command from open firmware made a difference. It may well be that the real problem is in why it had trouble booting and that the streaming lock up was caused by that (it MAY). For starters run Disk Utility / Disk Verify. Check the System Log, for the boot up process, when it locked up and for some time before that. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12 40 gig drives. Currently running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12, what freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an educational tool for me as I have a 24 iMac. I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for Linux... I've tried several and found Ubuntu to be my favorite. But be careful of the version. I think I'm running 10.04 on my Sawtooth. On a PC I tried updating to the latest and lost support for the video card so I had to reinstall the older version. It really should check for that. Most software for Linux is (more or less) freeware. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Memory G4
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Nov 2, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Buzzby ldshiffty...@gmail.com wrote: I have another mac besides the Quicksilver. This is a better one. PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 1.42Ghz 4 hard drives My problem is I cannot get it to see more than 1gb of memory and online says it can use up to 2gb. Right now I have 4 sticks of 256 PC2700 but when I install 512 sticks it only sees one. Is there a way to upgrade more than 1GB or hould I stick to that? Are you running OS 9? OS 9 can only access 1Gb, OS X can access the full amount. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Better keyboard for my G4
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net wrote: Will an add-on USB Keyboard function the same at startup? Some may not if I am not mistaken. Could also depend on how it is connected ... on-board USB vrs a USB PCI card. None of the key re-mapping would work at startup. But all the necessary keys for start up control should be available. I don't know about it working at start up with a PCI-USB card but I would use it with the built in USB anyway, no point plugging the keyboard / mouse into a USB 2 port. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MacDraw like application?
On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:16 PM, John Callahan wrote: A long time ago in an another century, in another millennium I had a MacDraw application that was just great for relatively simple drawings. I used it for house drawings, working drawings and so on. Unfortunately current drawing programs have been improved so much that they are practically impossible to use, or too much work to use for simple things such as working structure and details drawings. I don't care about 3D projections etc, just elevation and plan views. MacDraw was perfect for that. Does anyone know of a MacDraw like program that will work on my iMac Intel? Intaglio, http://www.purgatorydesign.com I use it extensively and like it a lot. You can download the app from the above website and try it out (it's crippled until you pay for a license, $89). I don't know if it imports MacDraw but it does import ClarisDraw and AppleWorks Draw. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G5 power consumption
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Rock rockie5...@gmail.com wrote: If you are measuring Direct Current, yes. But you are measuring Alternating Current so you have to multiply the Volt-Amps by .707 to get the actual power developed. Volt-Amps are useful in determining circuit breaker ratings. No, you multiply Peak volts OR amps to get RMS (provided the waveform is a pure sine wave). Volts times amps is watts IF they are in phase. Purely resistive loads are in phase but complex loads, which include Switch Mode Power Supplies (SMPS) are not. For SMPSs the VA is higher than the Watt value. To understand it a little, take for example a capacitor across the AC line. The voltage and current are ninety degrees out of phase. That is, when the current is at a maximum, the voltage is zero. So no actual power is consumed, hence it draws zero watts even though it is drawing some amount of VA. In engineering terms we call this imaginary power. Watts are a measurement of real power, VA is a measurement of complex (real and imaginary) power. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G5 power consumption
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Oct 1, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 30-09-2012 19:06, Dan ha scritto: I was astonished to discover it sucks 17 Watts when off! :-o Correction: on a second, more accurate measurement, my G5 seems to draw 9 Watts when off (instead of 17 - I'm using a cheap power meter, kind of a Kill-a-watt, and they are often inaccurate at low power consumption). Are you sure you were reading Watts and not VA? The are not the same. Using either the Kill-a-watt VA setting or multiplying the volts times the amps results in Volt-Amps (VA). Actually, it's not. I got a measurement-mania :-D and measured everything in my home. Any IT equipment seem to draw some power when off: - I tested 4 Windows PCs: they draw from 4 to 7 Watts when off. Some of them still draw 1 or 2 Watts even when the (hard) switch is off! :-o - My 21 Sony CRT monitor draws between 10 and 21 Watts when off; ironically, it draws the very same when it's in stand-by. - My 15 Neovo LCD monitor draws 2 Watts when off. It is normal for an input filter to draw some VA when a hard power switch is off. But you don't pay for VA only watts. It looks like electronic engineers have a different meaning for the word off than normal people. ;-) No, but we do know about the reality of electronic components. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:29 PM, smac0031 wrote: None of this worked. The drive wouldn't open. I tried a paper clip and that wouldn't work. I tried rebooting the machine and that didn't help. I gave up and shut the machine down and pried the drive open. The CD was in chunks. It literally exploded in the the drive. I have probably 40% of it out of the drive in six pieces. I've never heard of this happening. I loved that game. This sucks. Now I don't have any excuses to switch over to my G5, no even lame ones. You should check out the Myth Busters episode about exploding optical drives. It was one of their first episodes. Short story is that with normal discs no drive they tried could destroy a disc. I think they did have some failure after abusing the discs (Microwaving was one method). They finally got a normal disc to fail by mounting it on a die grinder and, IIRC, running the die grinder off of 220V, twice it's rated voltage. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Oliver Fairhall wrote: I have a G4 MDD (FW 400, not 800 model), which I would like to add SCSI to. All my PCI slots are taken up. I am mainly using this with OS 9.2.2. I would like to know what is the best featured/most reliable option for adding SCSI for this machine, that doesn't use a PCI slot? I use the machine as a legacy DSP farm for my home music studio. I use a Korg OASYS PCI card, which will not run under OSX. My idea for the SCSI was to interface with my old hardware samplers (EMU/Ensoniq/Akai). I have read about some Firewire and USB SCSI adapters, but information is a little sparse as to how these really perform in practice. Some also don't allow a complete SCSI chain, just one device. If really necessary, I could possibly try to free one PCI slot, but I would really rather not. It seems that some PCI SCSI solutions were more highly regarded. I certainly would not want too much hassle with an unreliable solution, if that's all I would get with USB/Firewire SCSI adapters. BTW, I have heard of PCI expansion racks to add more PCI slots; are these any good? Is there a performance degradation with these? Well, forget USB, OS 9 only supports USB 1.1 so you'd be limited to 12MBps. Most of what I know about the Firewire - SCSI adapters is that they are rare. What other PCI cards do you have, maybe there are some options there. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: There is probably only 2 things that could have caused this: 1st the CD broke going in when the thing comes down to grab the disc by the hole because of a miss alignment or 2nd It spun up to over 10,000rpm maybe it was 20,000 The OP stated there was a crack in the disc. The disc could have failed because of the crack and being spun up to high speed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra via Ethernet
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:03 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: I have a G3 iMac 600 OS9.2.2 connected to a Quadra 650 7.5.5 via Ethernet. I can mount the Quadra HDD on the G3 desk top but I can't get the IMac HDD to mount on the Quadra desk top because I can't get File Sharing on the G3 to start. I've rebooted and Zapped PRAM. Make sure you give it enough time. Personal File Sharing in pre X can take a while to start up. To be sure give it an hour then check it. If it does work it shouldn't take so long the next time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD won't eject
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:39 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Well if it does not run and there is no release mech. I suppose you take it apart. Imagine that, they made them so cheap they even left off the tiny hole ! : D ! On at least some slot loaders the eject mechanism is accessed by putting the usual straightened paper clipping the right side of the slot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problem .pdf
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Jul 8, 2012, at 1:03 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Friday I received an order form from a vendor to complete and electronically sign, so I filled out the form, created a secure signature in Acrobat Pro 9 and applied it to the document. However when I email the PDF it arrives as a blank form just as I received it from the vendor. If I open it on the desktop it's complete with the signature. Someone know what I'm doing wrong? I'm using a G5 PM with 10.5.8 and Adobe Acrobat Pro 9. Ask the vendor to e-mail the file you sent back to you and check if you can see the signature there. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G5 - how to migrate data?
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Jul 3, 2012, at 3:02 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Tiger on Intel affords no advantage over Leopard Intel machines don't support Classic so Leopard is the way to go with the Intel's also Snow Leopard is the only one that needs Rosetta to run the PPC programs the Leopard runs them with out it. Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard all require Rosetta to run PPC code. Tiger and Leopard install it by default, with Snow Leopard it is an optional install, either at install or on demand when the OS encounters PPC code -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD, Gray Screen, Access Optical Drive?
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Alex Sciortino zeosr...@gmail.com wrote: Open the drive door flap at the Option key boot selector and you will see an eject button. Grab a paper clip and press the button. I think you are merging things. If there is a button just press it. If there isn't a button then insert a paperclip in the hole and push. But a much simpler solution is to hold down the mouse button on start up. I think holding down the F12 key (after the start up bong) works too. To give one enough time to try, hold down the option key at start up. This brings up the start up selection screen. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 not waking up well
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:03 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: First, I am a bit OCD. I got carried away with my love of the G4, and own 5. One bought new at list price the other 4 off eBay. Two have power supplies that bit the dust. So three are still well. The three are all running Leopard. Two of the three go to sheep and wake up nicely. One has an issue. On waking, the screen is hosed. It's not viewable and can't recover. So, this machine can't be put to sleep. I ran into this recently. Swapping the video card resolves it. I think the the card was an older design and wasn't fully supported by the driver. What is the model of video card in the in-sleep able machine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 450 x2 Video
On May 25, 2012, at 9:52 AM, M Christol wrote: On 5/25/12 12:36 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 25, 2012, at 9:11 AM, M Christol wrote: My trusty G4 450 x2 display is losing blackness - the type shadows in images are a dark to medium grey. I am assuming this is the ATI Rage 128 Pro dying. Video cards don't die this way...monitors do. Also it simply could have had the video calibration get corrupted (or someone accidentally chose the wrong calibration) . My first try would be re-calibrate the monitors...unless the obkject is really 'I want a new video card and this is my excuse' :-) Tried recalibration - no change Monitor is hooked up to 2 computers via a Dr Bott KVM switch the monitor looks fine in the newer Intel Mac. Maybe I should jiggle the KVM connections? Try swapping the connections at the video card. See if the darkness moves to the Intel Mac. If it does it's the KVM or video cable. If not it's the settings on the video card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?
On May 24, 2012, at 8:35 AM, t...@io.com wrote: On May 23, 11:32 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:25 AM -0700 5/23/2012, t...@io.com wrote: In the list of devices connected to my router and assigned IP addresses, everything shows up as I would expect, except a G4 MDD (10.4.11) and an 800 MHz G4 ILamp (10.2.8). For those two machines the router displays something like unknown_MAC address without the for the Device Name. In the Sharing system preferences, be sure you've set the machine name. The two problem machines have names like Eli's Computer or Diane's G4 MDD or some such. They've been set for years, because I use file sharing every so often. Hmmm. I can't remember, but I wonder if the apostrophes are in the names. That could be an issue. Very likely. Apostrophes are often a problem in this sort of thing. Sometimes you also get the paired apostrophes that curve around the enclosed text (so to speak) and they also cause problems. Also the spaces might be an issue (per Bruce's earlier post). Thank you for the helpful information Dan. I will experiment tonight. I think I will first try shutting down the machines in question. Then remove their entries from the DHCP table. Then boot the machines back up. If that doesn't work, I'll try changing their names to something with no apostrophes. If that fails, then I'll change it to no spaces. I'd start here. This shouldn't be a problem with the DHCP Client ID. I think that's a systematic test which should reveal the ultimate cause -- unless it fails to resolve the issue. :-) I also need to clean the gutters tonight, so if I'm too tired afterward for computer fun, it could be another day or two before I experiment... Completely off topic, I've found that tying a Mosquito Dunk http:// amzn.com/B0002568YA to the little cross bar in the gutter with a bit of kevlar string really seems to cut down on the mosquito population. One dunk for each independent section of gutter. I find living in California helps a lot with the mosquito population (we get them but they are pretty easy to control). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 and ADC
On May 3, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 3-05-2012 7:56, a1 ha scritto: So it would seem that the most powerful G5 I could get and keep using ADC with no adapter is this one: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.h tm Keep in mind that - AFAIK - the ADC capability is not of the computer itself, but of the graphic card. And graphic cards can be substituted. It is a matter for both the computer and graphics cards. The computer has to supply power for the monitor to the graphics card and the card has to pass the power on to the monitor, along with the Video, USB and what ever else. You can tell, visually, if the computer does by an extra set of pins away from the AGP connector. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 and ADC
Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? On May 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Douglas Mencken dougmenc...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, the DVI and ADC connectors are almost the same. There are cheap (~$20) adapters. I see no reason to buy another video card just to plug some other monitor into it. To plug an ADC monitor into a DVI port you need more than a simple adapter, you need a 28V, 4 A power supply too. And perhaps some more stuff too. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD
Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:22 AM, Deiniol ap Deiniol autolycus.mercat...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, just done some Googling.unfortunately none of my (4! - including one none-worker just bought for spares) Mirror Doors came with their restore CDsnothing on the Apple site in terms of downloads of this 'special' OS9. guess I'm gonna have to use one of the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the image processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta DiMAGE - a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic I'm pretty sure you can install OS 9 on another machine, bring it up to OS 9.2.2 with updates then copy the System Folder over to the MDD. At least this should work for running Classic, possibly for booting OS 9. I did this for classic on my MDD before I updated it to Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home movies won't import
Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: The one thing that drives me absolutely nucking futz as a IT support person is : got an error message (can't remember exact words). (or my favorite: I got an error, I didn't write it down because it was all computer gobbldeygook) followed by the clear expectation that I am clairvoyant and can magically know what went wrong.. My all time favorite was: Someone had a problem I ask Have you changed anything recently? Response: No I look down and picked up a Software package (I think it was an OS upgrade). I asked about it. Response: Oh, yeah, I installed that. I still want to know what they think counts as a change. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger/Classic on dual G4/5
On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Dan wrote: On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:39 PM, geraldcornish wrote: Current setup is Pismo 500MHz/1GB Ram/100GB HDD Tiger 10.4.11 OS 9.2.2 Intention is to upgrade to Dual G4/G5 but keeping Tiger/Classic. My better half needs to use Pagemaker in classic while using OSX simultaneously. Pagemaker uses up all the spare cpu cycles and slows down all other programs, and I assume this would still be the case with a faster Mac. Depends on how PageMaker is written. If it's polling for user input continuously, then it will certainly always (try to) use some cpu time, not a lot %-wise if you have lots to spare. That's OS 9 (and below) for you. Seems odd to me that PageMaker would be continuously piggy. Have you watched the system with Activity Monitor, to see what resources are actually in such low demand that the whole system runs slowly? if we move to a dual G4/G5 how does Tiger handle the two cpus? OS X (and OS 9) supports multiple processors (discrete, multi core, threads) two ways. First: when a process or thread is ready for cpu time, it is dispatched to one of the CPU/cores. Second: if the application knows how to use non-sequential threads, then the threads are dispatched the same way - to whichever CPU/core has time available. OS 9 supports letting programs use multiple processors but it's up to the program to handle multiple threads. Will it assign classic/pagemaker to one cpu only, leaving the other cpu to do any OSX work needed? No. Under OS X, scheduling is done preemptively, as resources are available. That means a process is given a quantum time slice on a CPU/core, and the CPU is taken away when the slice ends or when the process becomes otherwise blocked (waiting for i/o, etc). Classic is a process under OS X... so when its slice ends, the app running within Classic is suspended. When the next slice is available to that process, it is re-assigned to a CPU/core... Of course, if the process is still loaded in one particular CPU/core, then assignment preference is given to using that particular CPU/core. But Pagemaker will be using only one CPU at a time (I'm guessing that OS X doesn't support OS 9's version of multiprocessor support. This would be ideal for us if one cpu is kept free of the Pagemaker loading. You need to think of the OS being the high muckety, not the CPU. The CPU, like memory, is *just* a resource that the OS controls / manages. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 and lack of ipod connection
Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote: You didn't list your version on iTunes, which is important. I'm running 10.6.1(iTunes) on a dual 1.8 G5, Sys 10.5.8, : talking to iPhone 4s, may have to get and test a new ipod.. Willing to take donations. grin On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I'm pretty sure the new iPods won't work on PPC'c, only Intel??? I can't get my brand new Ipod to work on my G4 TiBook but it works on my MacBook... Maybe someone on here might know a way around it to get it to work??? I don't know about iPods but my iPhone 4S charges off a hub connected to my MDD and iTunes sees it. I haven't tried to actually do anything with it, I don't want to mess with the setup (I use another machine normally). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: QuadG5 CPU A Runs Hot
Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Baudais Michael m...@baudais.ca wrote: . 3) I removed the CPUs and cooling systems, and replaced the thermal paste on the CPUs. That helped dramatically - both CPUs dropped 20C. But, A is still hotter than B by the same amount. 4) I checked the cooling system thoroughly - no leaks evident. 5) For the last year I've been running in reduced power mode. Which isn't too bad performance-wise, but I'd love to get my full performance back. The sensors used are not terribly accurate. It's possible both CPUs are running at the same temp. I don't know how far off they can get. Try bringing up your temperature reporting program, put the computer to sleep, wait at least 2 hours (overnight would be best), wake it up and quickly check the temp on both CPUs. If the one is reporting 20 degrees higher it's the sensor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g4 mdd getting louder?
Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? On Mar 20, 2012, at 2:32 PM, rumble rum...@metrocast.net wrote: it seems to me that my old g4 mdd fan noise has gotten louder. is there anything i can do to get it to quiet down again? Clean out the dust. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 + Tiger: iTune 9?
On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 + Tiger: iTune 9? Date:Wednesday, 15. February 2012 From:David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Too lazy to check if the 350MHz G3 PowerMac came with a FireWire port My G3 BW Rev.1 has a FireWire 400 port, so I figure this model didn’t come without it. Although… the Firefire connector is on a riser card, if I remember correctly. The connectors are actually on a module that connects via a cable. But it is still 'built in' and as such the Tiger does install on a BW provided you have a DVD drive, CD media. You can't boot directly from a FW drive as the BW supports neither FW booting nor Target Disk mode. One of the features of XPostFacto is a tool to allow you to boot a BW from a FW disk. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: adding memory to iMac G4
On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Geke wrote: Among all the talk about upgrading, I want to warn you that this iMac is *not* going to play YouTube very smoothly, even with the suggested RAM upgrade. It's a great computer not just for simple things but also very complicated ones, but Flash video is simply so heavy on the processor that it's no fun anymore. Things may improve as Flash is slowly going to be phased out. Or phase it out yourself... http://www.youtube.com/html5 ... lets you opt for html5 video instead of flash. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 + Tiger: iTune 9?
On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:51 AM, Gene Henley mhenl...@verizon.net wrote: Now,on to what I can do with this beauty. I intend to put in max ide drive,max ram,and replace optical drive. I intend to install either Panther or Tiger with Classic. Tiger may not work properly. If I must jump through hoops and perform backflips in order to have classic,I might just partition it to have Panther, OS 9.2.2,and Linux. I have a bunch of Classic already in this computer,and have been given a bunch of Hypercard material. I intend to see it. Other than the difficulty in installing Tiger it should run very nicely including Classic. Tiger will provide better support for newer software. Since you are planning to put in a new HD the easy way to install Tiger would be to install (or copy) it on another machine. Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 + Tiger: iTune 9?
On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: You've made an error with the description. All the 350MHz iMacs had Firewire ports. The fastest iMac without a Firewire port was the 333MHz, which is what I assume you have? That OSA common misconception, there are indeed 350MHz iMacs without FireWire, I worked in a lab full of them. I believe they were an education market special. Max HD is probably the largest ATA available, normally about 500GB. 128 Gb is the max without using one of the tools to access the space above 128 Gb. Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Silverlight Moonlight
On Jan 31, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, back in the day I had Silverlight 1.0 installed on a different Mac and I thought I'd put it on my MDD G4 (OS X 10.5.8) as one program (Elmedia Player) has Silverlight listed in preferences. Every site that lists it for download (even for Macs) only has .exe files. A discussion site said to get Moonlight instead. However, I cannot find the PPC Mac download despite the claims it is still being developed for the PPC. Anyone got either file they can send me? Try the Mac installer with the .exe extension. Some companies do this so all the installers have the same file name. The Mac doesn't care, it's just a file name to it. Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cannot boot OS X
On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Gene Henley wrote: I have a Quicksilver G4 with Tiger. I installed OS 9.2.1. I can boot into OS 9.2.1 if I hold the C key down. But if I try to boot into my OSX,The screen says The system software on the startup disk only functions on the original media,not if copied to another drive. Could I have somwhow messed up my OSX preferences? If I did,How do I get back to OS X to find out? That message is one you get if you copy the OS 9 system folder from an installer disk onto the hard disk and attempt to boot that OS from the hard disk. Holding down the C key boots from the CD-ROM, not the HD. What it sounds like is that: You still have the installer disk in the optical drive. You copied the System Folder from the installer disk rather than ran the installer. By some means the Startup Disk was set to the copied OS 9 system folder on the HD. Try booting with the option key held down. This should give you a screen showing every bootable system available to the computer from any attached drive. I would use the Option key and boot into OS X. Then delete the OS9 System Folder on the HD then boot from the installer disk and install OS 9. Also open System Preferences, select Startup Disk and select your OS X System folder. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport dilemma
On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: G4 Cube and Quicksilver both donated and for use for the 16-yr old kid to reverse explore Apple/Mac have newly installed 10.4.11. Both accept Airport. Both show and allow a choice of network (my home) but show an error message. Error connecting to AirPort network etc. My own and the kid's iBook and Pad connect without problem, went into keychain to be certain of the password and still neither the Cube or Q/S will complete the connection. 10·4·11 only understands WEP and LEAP wireless security schemes. 10·5·x understands these and WPA wireless security. 10·6·x and later (such as your iDevices) understand all of these and WPA2. 10.4.11 understands WPA. With an Airport (original) you are limited to WPA/TKIP. 10.4.11 with later Airport cards isn't limited. There is an Apple article on it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 quad
On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2012/01/14 11:17, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote: When Apple replaces a motherboard they make the serial # match Not always. I purchased a 'refurb' iMac G4 that initially had a matching SN, but it (along with others like it) had a problem with some flashed code that kept the display from waking from sleep. Apple fixed it, but then it had no electronic SN at all - just a decal on the inside of the ODD door. I fought tooth and nail with Apple about giving it a serial number that can't be just peeled off but they refused, even saying it was impossible (which I doubt). Same here, IIRC, in one case the new MB had no serial number and in the second case it had a different number. It may depend, in part, on how the serial number is stored. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Our LAN can see a Macbook but can't connect to it
On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Tom wrote: In short, we're right back where we started, no matter what we do. Is there anything else we might try, or should we just be resigned to the fact that one of our four Macs just doesn't want to play with the other three? No you shouldn't be resigned. I have been running a LAN behind a NAT router for at least 14 years and have had upwards of 50 computers connected to the network at one time or another. None of them (ultimately) didn't see all the other computers on the network. Can you post the Ethernet settings for the problematic computer and one or two of the other computers? Specifically: In System Preferences Network Pane Airport or Ethernet (which ever is in use) Advanced... TCP/IP All the IPv4 settings Configure IPv4: IPv4 Address: Subnet Mask: Router -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G5 won't power on
On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote: a friend gave me a dead iMac 17 G5 iSight. the symptom is: when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later the pilot light and the fan turn off. the screen never lights up and there is no startup chime. i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging, then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and re-pushing the power button. same behavior as described above. Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power supply and/or logic board. http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=capacitor+replacement+G5+iMacie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you. I received a 20 G5 (no iSight) for free because it had the same or similar symptoms. I replaced all the power supply caps on the logic board and replaced the power supply. All is well with it now. Replacing the caps isn't simple as they use lead free solder which has a higher melting point. Unless you are skilled at soldering your best bet is to find a service to change them. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?
On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:40 AM, gira93 wrote: Hello everyone! Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4, I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works very well with 10.4.11. I'm writing this because a friend said i was crazy just beacuse i use such an old mac for the everyday use. So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4? I routinely use a MDD G4 with dual CPUs. I do CAD work and software development on it for embedded systems. It's not my main machine, that's a MacBook Pro. Many days I use the G4 more than the MBP. I don't watch streaming video on it but I do watch mp4 video files on it. And when I've compiled the code I'm working on I use a G3 Pismo to download it to the MicroController I'm working on. Besides CAD and editing / compiling I use the usual web browsing, database, word processing, spreadsheet, etc. applications on it. My household fileserver is a G4 QuickSilver with a SATA card and about 2Tb of storage. Yes, G4s are still quite viable. As to being crazy, I can't say but there is nothing wrong with using a G4 for daily use. PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian. Your bad english is better than quite a few so called native speakers I've seen on the Internet. It is certainly better than my Italian which is non-existant. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G5 won't power on
On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:03 PM, faithie999 wrote: which are the power supply caps on the logic board? there are probably 20+ caps in all on the board. Roughly in the center bottom of the logic board are several groups of caps (1000uF, 16V IIRC), about 10-12 caps in a group. I think there are about 4 groups. as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just the smaller ones? I replaced the power supply. I started out replacing the caps but ran into a snag but I don't remember what it was. The power supply is trickier as the caps are stuffed in tighter and glued together. And they are often surrounded by other components that you don't want to remove. i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering the larger ones are probably beyond my capability. the smaller ones look doable. none of the caps, either on the logic board or the power supply, are bulging or otherwise look damaged, but i know they can be damaged internally without any external symptoms -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver optic drive
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Roger Faulkner rfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: m8493 drive won't open. HD wiped and went to install new OS. Pro, Chicklet and Mcally keyboards all fail to open drive. No paper clip access. Ideas? Thanks Try holding the mouse down on boot. Check the cables to the drive. Try unplugging them and re-connecting them. Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Analog video input?
On Dec 16, 2011, at 12:59 AM, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't have a camcorder with firewire output, how do most Mac users input their analog composite video into their Mac's for editing? I have a couple older Hi-8mm camcorders and a ton of family tapes that I want to edit on my Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, but don't know what is the easiest, or most popular way of importing my video content. I use an EyeTV. I use it mostly for off air recording but I have also used it for video tape transfers. It works well for either. It interfaces to the mac via USB. I suppose the feature to be looking at for your purposes is what video format it saves in. While you should be able to convert it to what you need, having it in the right format to begin with would save a step. Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: router question
On Nov 25, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Greetings Listers, I am using a NetGear wireless router in my home, and quite often, especially when my children are at home.the router needs to be reset in order for me to get online. If I unplug the router (from the electricity)for a couple of seconds and then plug it back in, I can always get back online. My G4 is connected via a CAT5 cable. The problem is: the router lives in my garage and is not close to my G4 in the basement. Is ther a command of some kind that I can send to the router from the basementor must I continue to make that long walk to the garage? Most routers can be managed using a web browser. Try putting the router IP address into a browser. You can find the router address in your IP settings. You'll have to look around to find the reset / restart command. This will only work if the problem with the router isn't in LAN access or the management function. Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: looking to upgrade router at home
On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:26 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote: This may be out of our bailiwick on this list, but here goes: DP 1.8 G5, running Leopard 10.5.8, 4 gigs ram, hardwired into the Airport extreme (saucer, model A1034) an iPad 1 2 or 3 iphones (if daughter is home) 2 mac laptops (when both girls are home) netflix via wireless (airport extreme) on the home entertainment system Hp 5-in-1 printer, which must be hardwired into the computer for scanning. Cable modem She who must be obeyed has expressed displeasure with the Airport Extremes performance, constant reboots and associated interruptions in movies and playing on the iPad. Is there one that is better for a home system than others? Anyone had good luck with refurbished units? Limits: G5 does not have an airport card, so needs hardwire (currently ethernet) entry. $$ WEP 128 bit security? Should I assume WEP 256 is better? Or is WPA adequate? Will updating into the n-bands have a large increase of speed for phones and laptops? Speed alone shouldn't be an issue, 802.11g (Airport Extreme) is more than fast enough for basic Cable Internet and streaming video. But noise and range may be an issue and for those reasons 802.11n may be an advantage. WEP 256 is not better as it doesn't exist. WPA is more than adequate, it's much better than WEP. It's easier to use and more secure than WEP. Note that your AE problems may have nothing to do with the AE. I know that at home I have occasional Cable glitches, periods of a minute or two when there is no service. Also sometimes Netflix is in accessible for a short time while other Net locations are accessible. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Does the Radeon 9650 support dual monitors?
On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Why making a card with two display ports... and not driving two monitors...? ;-) Well, there are cards with three display ports that only drive two monitors. Specifically Radeons that have two VGA and a S-Video out. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD IDE vs. SCSI, battle of the busses?
On Oct 31, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Doesn't Apple treat IDE channel drives, as if they were SCSI in some sense? I thought they did for a while ... maybe this might explain the mystery or SCSI voodoo, as it is called ... and, then again, maybe not. IDE PCI cards appear as SCSI cards for some reason, I think that is what you are referring to. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 runnaway fans
On Oct 31, 2011, at 8:40 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Yesterday I swapped out some RAM and moved a couple of HDD's from one bay to another in my G5 Dual 2.7 and after booting up my fans ran fast 3200 rpm, constant and the processors where right at 100% usage with nothing but Mail and Camino running. I shut it down and ran ASD 2.5.8 along with the Thermal Calibration drill and no problems were found. So I booted it back up and after about an hour the fans calmed down and both processors came down to normal. about 10% with a browser and Mail. Does anyone know if my RAM and HDD swap would do this? Spotlight re-indexing the HDDs? Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is the PRAM battery needed?
On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ok, I'd like some input here… Is the PRAM battery needed? newer macs, older macs…. please chime in:-) In my understanding, this little battery does a whole lot more than just set my time and date.. honestly if that was the case, Apple would've got rid of the thing a long time ago?? my 2 bits…. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts/facts on the subject. Yes, no and maybe. Some Macs, particularly older ones will not start up without a PRAM battery. Some can be jumpstarted without one. That is you turn it on, it doesn't do anything then you hit reset (or cycle the power really fast) and it will start up. Next time you have to do the same thing. Some can start up just fine without the PRAM battery. The PRAM (Parameter RAM) stores a number of parameters (hence the name). The number of items stored in it has decreased over the years. The two most important still in there are the startup disk and the video mode. Without a PRAM battery the computer can take longer to start up as it searches through the available boot devices to find an OS to load. Oddly enough it takes longer to find that there isn't anything there than it does to find something. In one configuration I saw it took about two minutes before it started boot due to the large number of possible boot devices. As to Apple getting rid of the battery if it was only for the clock, I certainly hope not and doubt it highly. It's rather a pain when the clock isn't set right and it's also a pain to set it every time you boot. If the computer is connected to the Internet it can set the time automatically at startup but that isn't always the case. Also, I know of one instance when the battery was low (about 2V vs 3.6 for a good one) but not totally dead and the computer wouldn't boot. When I removed the battery it would boot fine. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Dan wrote: It would help if Apple provided USB buses that had a little xtra umph to them. Really irks me that the externals that spin fine on a cheap ($600) HP laptop just sit there and keep trying to spin on a MBP. I believe there is a sign, carved in granite above the doors to Apple Engineering that say (right under the line that says 'Abandon all sleep all ye who enter...' :-) Thou shalt never specify sufficient power. I (emphatically NOT fondly) recall replacing the power supplies in both my Apple II and my Mac Plus On the other hand, Apple does tend to follow standards to the letter, much to the pain of folks who kinda sorta fudge it (see: every other damn mail client in the world that gets confused by a multipart MIME email message with more than one text part), odds are that Apple's USB ports do adhere to the standard, no more, no less. AFAIK that's correct about Apple. A lot of manufacturers really blow it, drawing too much power from USB on the hope that the computer manufacturer isn't hitting the spec any better. Then there are the laptops that provide little or no power to their USB ports. The problem with USB is that it isn't, Universal. Or as I like to put it, the wonderful thing about Standards is that everyone does them differently. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: multiple iPhoto Versions on the same startup volume?
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: IN theory all applications SHOULD offer this option, but in practice very few do. The multi-user nature of OS X is very rarely taken advantage of, imo. In large part because most Macs are single user. In which case there isn't much reason to bother with a user application folder. At the elementary school I worked at every teaching station was set up with user accounts for one or more teacher and one Student account. I considered setting up a private user application folder but never found any application that warranted it. There were some apps that were for the teachers only but they weren't anything we' would mind if the kids ran them. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Highest OSX a G4 sawtooth can run?
On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Alexander Gomes wrote: I have 10.4 on my Sawtooth 350mhz G4. It will run 10.5 but no higher then that. Really, 867mhz is the minimum that you are suppose to run 10.4 on, 512 megs ram minimum too. If you have a 1ghz upgrade card for the cpu, really all you need to do is max out ram and it will run perfectly. An 867MHz G4 is an installer limitation for 10.5. 10.4 has no processor speed limit. 10.4 is limited to machines with firewire, an arbitrary cut off, just as the 867 MHz limit is. And Tiger runs quite well an any G4 and those G3s later than the beige machines. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Geke wrote: To not confuse you further, I’ll try and focus on the main topics ;-) Firewire was designed for connection to one computer only: it is not a network. Daisy-chaining means that you can connect a second harddisk, a scanner, camera, or other device (not computers) to the first one, for example if the computer has only one Firewire port, or simply for nicer cabling. Incorrect. Firewire WAS designed for connection to many devices, including multiple computers, simultaneously. FW is used extensively in video work where many devices all share the connection. The Mac OS is NOT designed to share disks via a local peripheral interface. You can in fact connect multiple Macs together via FW as an IP network (I've done it). It's useful in cases where the Ethernet interfaces are limited to 100MBPS and you want to transfer data faster than that. But in this case you shouldn't have any drives connected to the FW connection. That is something you can do with your Firewire drive: Connect it to the 10.4 Mac and set it up for sharing. Then you can connect to the harddisk over the network from the Mac running 9.2.2 by logging in to the 10.4 Mac. Why you can’t connect the other way around could have something to do with the different versions of Appletalk software in different OSes, but I don’t really know. It's because OS 9.2.2 has an AppleShare over IP client but not server and OS 10.4 only supports AppleShare over IP, client and server. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Bruce Ryan wrote: Attaching 2 or more computers to one drive won't physically hurt the firewire interface but it may corrupt the drive. Each computer will mount the drive and there is nothing to keep them from writing contradictory directory information to the disk. So don't do it. too bad, sounded like such an exellent idea :-( well, what other ways to use the same back up drive for two puters exists then? just a thought - would partitioning the firewire drive work? Then mount only partition1 on mac1 and partition2 on mac2. In theory this might work. But I don't know of a way of preventing the computer from mounting a partition. And dismounting the partition after it's already mounted would still open the door to disk corruption. In general this idea is asking for trouble. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:40 PM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: I have a lacie back up drive with 3 firewire ports on the back - 1 400 and 2 800 it's connected to my old g3 tower running 9.2.2 on the 400 port, turns off and on with it, does a back up automatically on shut down - s nice well, over the years the house got populated with some more macs all running either 10.4 or 10.5, and at least two of them could do with more frequent back up too - and I'm wondering if I could just hook those two up to the drive as well? the manual for the drive mentions daisy-chaining and explains that I can attach a device to both 800 ports as well - small pics shows me how to, but the devices aren't other computers, and the manual doesn't really suggest that it's something to be done - doesn't advice against it either though Attaching 2 or more computers to one drive won't physically hurt the firewire interface but it may corrupt the drive. Each computer will mount the drive and there is nothing to keep them from writing contradictory directory information to the disk. So don't do it. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Poor Airport reception
On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:21 AM, QuoVadis wrote: I have one of those 802.11g dongles, but the problem is that it connects via USB 1.1. So any advances in speed I do have are cancelled out by the slow USB port. Not if poor reception is limiting the 802.11b speed. You should be able to get the full 12 MBps speed, more or less. You should be able to get as much speed as with 802.11b under the best of conditions. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Poor Airport reception
On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:21 AM, QuoVadis wrote: @Dan: If only I could get an Ethernet cable to the G4.. I've thought about it, but it means drilling through three walls and the floor. I don't know about houses in the US, but here in the Netherlands drilling through the floor means drilling through almost a foot of concrete.. A foot of concrete, cris-crossed with mesh and rebar makes for a dandy RF shield, if it's grounded. Plumbing piping going through the floor often makes electrical contact with the reinforcing grid, and household grounds are often attached to the plumbing pipes. If electrical conduit is used it'd definitely grounded. It doesn't have to be grounded, it will still make for a nice RF shield. Try moving the G4 to different spots in the floor, you may have to live with it in a different place. A professor here had a weird 'dead zone' in her house with her Airport setup….moving her computer 4 foot to one side or the other made for much better reception. Good point, if the OP uses an 802.11g dongle they can put it on an extension cable and move it around to see where the best signal strength is (also turn the dongle itself around for best reception. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport card password
On Sep 21, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Norm wrote: Received an airport card for my G4 deck top mac and it installed OK but it wants a pass word. I have tried all the ones I know. Is there a place where the pass word is stored like in a plist? Thanks for any help OS 10.5.8 The card doesn't need a password, the WiFi network does, meaning what ever you have set up in your router / WAP. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Poor Airport reception
On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:48 AM -0700 9/19/2011, QuoVadis wrote: Airport card to fit inside my G4 QS (2002 model). The problem is the reception: [WAP far away on another floor and electronics gear nearby] It's worth trying the airport card elsewhere, as you describe... But, fwiw, 802.11 is pretty much a one wall wi-fi solution. That you're getting 300 Kbps on the QS, given you description of floors + all the gear interfering, is pretty good. Try shutting down the gear and turn off any flourescent lights. See if that makes a diff. Perhaps a repeater might help... Set up another WAP positioned half way, to bridge the connection. Or you could replace the Airport base with a higher powered / office-grade WAP. A cheaper and simpler solution would be to get a USB 802.11g or better still, an 802.11n dongle. The software is a pain in the rear but once you get it up and running on a desktop machine it shouldn't matter. g and n each improved the distance the signal carries. Or go wired. ...We have about the same situation here. Tried bridging, but the housemates gave up on wi-fi anyway. Even with a clear shot to the WAP, nothing beats a hardwire to a gigaswitch. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac frozen in startup
On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote: Tried to do a routine restart (for the Airport network) and my G5, dp1.8ghz has frozen. I get a a good startup bong, then screen goes gray, and spinning thingee just spins. I was able to start off a system disc, but the start up folder is not working. tried to start off the disc- without replacing the system and went to the spinner again. Is it worth it to replace the original Pram battery? (2004) I did not notice a date problem but am racking my brains to figure out what is going on. Start by running disk utility and do a disk repair on the HD. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3 doesn¹t see newer HD?
On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Geke wrote: Thanks guys, for putting some things straight. The main reason for posting was that I started to think that the installed OS might be different depending on which Mac was booted during the install. Concretely: Maybe an install made from a G4 dual doesn’t work properly on a G3. The install is nearly universal and will work on any machine that OS supports (other than PPC / Intel issues). The one exception that I know of is that if the target of the install doesn't have a DVD drive then the DVD Player App won't be installed. But this only affects playing DVDs and nothing else, including data access of DVDs. Another reason: I didn’t know if one could boot from a carbon copy of the installer DVD. So I guess that’s what I’m going to do next. Yes you can. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3 doesn¹t see newer HD?
On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 15-09-2011 15:06, Geke ha scritto: So I connected a G4 Mac (Snakebite) in target mode to use its DVD drive. AFAIK, Target mode only connect hard drives; never heard (and never seen myself) about optical drives showing up. It does although I have heard some anecdotal information that some models don't. But I've definitely used TDM to use the optical drive in a machine for another machine that doesn't have an adequate optical drive. If this isn’t possible, I plan to Carbon-copy the DVD onto an external HD with a Firewire port, then do the install with that HD connected to the iBook. I hope that’ll work at least... I think going external is the only way for installing. Either the external HD, or an external DVD player... I've used a copy of the installer disk on a harddrive several times to do an install. Another option would be cloning an OSX disk/partition (using CCC) onto the iBook HD in Target mode. I copied my PM G4 OSX partition onto a PowerBook G4 and a PM G5, and it has always worked. Might not be the best way, but it usually works... ;-) Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Maybe off topic?
On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:36 AM -0700 8/4/2011, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I simply set the router to the randomly generated SSID, then save the router's configuration. And then you magically remember which such SSID is yours, so you can help your friends connect when they're sitting there trying to puzzle out which of the 6 WAPs they see, with nonsensical names, be you. My favorite local SSID is: *\'|'/* I've never actually run into one that was someone's address. I've seen names before, I can't recall seeing an address. Even a name is a security risk. I always recommend to clients to pick a word that is known by most people but not something you're likely to run into. That way it's easy to identify to people and if it pops up in casual conversation you'll know people are probably referring to your network. Then you can either admit it's your's or feign ignorance. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Tom wrote: Thanks to everybody; you're teaching me a lot about networking. It appears that I've had a LAN for a couple of years now without knowing about it. I thought this was just a fancy DSL modem that could wirelessly allow another computer in the house to surf the Net. As I think Bruce pointed out, pretty much anytime you have two computers connected together to the Internet you have a LAN. I got out my Mac OS-X Leopard Missing Manual by David Pogue to see what he says about wireless networking, and the book told me how to turn on file sharing, and lo and behold, these two Macs can see each other's files. And the Mac in the next room can print on the printer attached to the first one. Wish I'd known that a long time ago, because countless times we've brought documents over on a flash drive from the second computer to the first one in order to print them, when all we had to do (had we known) was turn on printer sharing and print the docs directly. Sheesh. Ignorance is bliss, and stupid too. I've been doing this (file sharing at least) since 1989 when I set up my IIsi Mac Plus using LocalTalk. If the second computer hadn't thrown up a message saying that it wouldn't run Final Cut because the first computer was already running it, I never would have known that they were networked. (About that, by the way, I bought this early version of Final Cut Studio off Ebay a few years ago, and I figure I should be able to run it on any Mac I have in my own home. Guess Apple has other ideas. Anyway, the point is moot: Apple just discontinued Final Cut Studio, so it's obsolete now). If it FCS works it's not obsolete. You should be able to use the software on both machines, just as long as it's only running on one at a time. When you quit the app on one machine it no longer announces itself on the network so the other machine won't see it and won't complain about it. Now I'm wondering about security for this LAN. We live out in the country, and the nearest neighbor's house is hundreds of feet away, so I doubt anyone is eavesdropping on our network. But if there are firewalls and passwords, I'll attend to them, once I learn how (back to Pogue). Bruce, I don't understand how I might 'open the modem with a browser' to learn more about it. If you explain that I'll give it a try. I'm running both Safari and Firefox, but I don't see anything in their menus related to modems. Open System Preferences / Network, click on Airport or Ethernet as appropriate (which ever is Connected), then Click on Advanced..., then the TCP/IP Tab. Copy the number after Router: (usually 192.168.xxx.xxx or 10.xxx.xxx.xxx) into the address box in Safari, etc. and press return. This should open a web page from the router / modem. Most likely you'll need to enter a username and password. For many devices you can find the default entries for these at the manufacturers web site. If it was set up by someone (the DSL installer) you may have trouble finding it. You can probably reset it (also from the manf. website) to the defaults but doing so will reset all the router settings which may render it inoperative. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
On Jul 4, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Tom wrote: We have two G5s in the house, both running 10.5.8. One of them is connected to the Internet by a DSL modem (I guess you call it), an ADSL X6 made by Zoom. The telephone line runs into the modem, and the modem is connected by a wire that runs into the top port on the back of the G5 (is that an Ethernet port?). This modem has a little antenna on it that transmits the Internet connection to the second G5 in the next room, which picks up the wireless signal through a little unit with an antenna that plugs into one of its USB ports. That's all fine. But I installed Final Cut Pro 5 on both of these machines (the same serial number), and the odd thing is that if the first Mac is running FCP when the second one also tries to launch it, a message comes up on the second one that says Another Mac is already running this program, so this copy will not launch, or something to that effect. What I don't get is, how in the heck does the second G5 in the other room have any idea what apps are running on the first Mac? I thought the modem was only transmitting the Internet connection, not information on what applications the Mac it's connected to is running. How does that second G5 know what apps are running on the first one? The router in the modem is not just connecting you to the Internet, it is also forming a LAN (Local Area Network). This allows computers to communicate. It's not that one computer can see what is running on another computer, it's that the first computer with FCP running is announcing itself on the network (being a server) and the FCP on the second computer is querying the service on the first computer and sees it is running FCP with the same serial number. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Tom wrote: Hey now, wait a minute. You mean this modem is also capable of running a LAN? I thought a modem only connected to the Internet. I had no idea it might be able to allow file sharing between computers as well. Some DSL and Cable modems include a router, WAP (Wireless Access Point) and switch. What are typically called a wireless router are router / WAP / switch combos. Typically manufacturers refer to their product by the name of one of it's functions rather than confusing people. I thought setting up a LAN required an Airport base station transmitting to Airport cards in the Macs and things like that, and I don't have any base station or Airport cards. How can I test this modem set-up to see if I really have a LAN here? Try looking up the modem model on the Web. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Can not find Boot Disk
On Jul 2, 2011, at 6:59 AM, gifutiger wrote: When this problem occurs (my own doing) the only way out that I've found to correct this situation is to do a force shut-down, i.e. hold down the power button until the system shuts down. Upon re-powering the platform if I don't hold the C key, telling the Boot ROM that I want to boot from the DVD I'm right back into the trap of no Boot Disk found. However holding down the C key the MDD will boot into the OS X 10.5 DVD Commercial Version at which time I can go the Select Startup Disk and restart into any of my disk, Not a solution exactly but have you tried holding down the option key at boot up when in this situation. That should give you a selection of every bootable disk. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac PPC apps
On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Dan wrote: Just to clarify a bit... At 3:10 PM -0500 7/2/2011, Kris Tilford wrote: Tiger 10.4 - Two separate versions: one pure PPC System, one pure Intel System. Some of the software is universal (meaning contains both PPC Intel code which will work on both architectures, but is also much larger bloated in size). The ppc-to-x86 code translator, Rosetta, is installed by default in x86 Tiger, giving it the ability to run ppc-only (non Universal) apps. Rosetta requires apps that use use at least a G3 processor Cocoa. Rosetta does NOT support: * Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9 (that was Classic's job). Not exactly true. Rosetta supports Carbon applications. This is an API that supports both OS9 and OS X. That is why AppleWorks still runs under Snow Leopard. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time Limits
On Jun 29, 2011, at 12:46 PM, DAN A CURRIE wrote: Hello Here is what I want to do with my sons G4 MDD running 10.5.8! He ‘s on the computer WY too much and I want to limit his time and access. I want him to have access ONLY from 4pm to 8pm Daily. How do I set that up? I don't know of a way to do it with the OS but I imagine there is some software to do it. If his principle use is on the Internet you can configure some routers to setup firewall rules on a time basis. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New Yahoo mail on clamshell?
On May 2, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: Tiger on a Clamshell is not going to be too good, unless it's a 466mhz with 576mb (maxed out) and a 7200rpm HD will make it the best it can be, this will make it usable but it will be right on the line. Reading email and maybe some websites will be the only thing good. It will work though because I have done it, a 366 will probably be slower... I have Tiger on both a 466 MHz and 300 MHz clamshell. It runs quite well on both. Web browsing can be slow sometimes. I'd rather have a somewhat slow but up to date browser than something faster but not useable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Pretty sure it has to be Intel. There is a knock off of SilverLining which I installed on a machine but the web page still choked on the browser, even trying to fake out the browser ID. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Poor wireless reception on G4 Aluminum Powerbook
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: I recently purchased a 12 1.5 Ghz Powerbook on eBay (running OS 10.5.x). The auction description said the Airport Extreme card doesn't seem to be working correctly. Once I received the laptop, I figured out that the problem is really that this powerbook has a very short wireless reception distance - such that when I first powered it on, sitting at my computer desk about 5 feet from the wireless router (linksys) it worked just fine. But when I sat with the laptop on the other side of the same room, about 15 feet from the router, reception was only fair. Take the laptop to the next room, about 25 feet from the router, and you're totally out of luck. So at first I thought the problem must be with the Airport card, so I bought another one - they aren't very expensive. Now I find that the reception problem has not changed at all, so the card can't be the problem. Can anyone tell me what the real problem is? I'm just hoping it's not on the motherboard, because they really are expensive. There was one or more versions of the PowerBook that had problems with WiFi range. It was basically a design error (AFAIK). Your model is from around that period but I don't know specifics. This means that you may never get acceptable reception. Make sure your router is using 802.11g, it tends to do better than 802.11b. You could try a web search to dig up info from back when. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list