Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

2011-04-28 Thread John Carmonne

On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On Apr 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Albert Carter wrote:
 
 I agree this is a great tale and awesome and useful information. I'm not 
 nitpicking here but wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just restore 
 from backup?
 
 
 Yes it would have been,  had there been backups to restore from...
 
 His external drives for Time Machine (which I suggested he get a YEAR AGO!) 
 are now winging their way here...
 
 There's a moral in there somewhere 8-) 
 
 -- 
 Bruce Johnson
 
 Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai,  PhD

Couldn't DiskWarrior get you back in the saddle? That's the first tool I go for 
98% of the time it does the job for me.   But nothing beats a backup. :-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

2011-04-26 Thread Bruce Johnson
How to open a finder window as root:

http://yourmacguy.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/snow-leopard-root-finder/ 10.6
http://yourmacguy.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/finder-with-root-access/ 10.5 and 
lower

Saved my butt today, fixing a department head's munged Powerbook...something 
ate his home directory, he could log on, but then it went to the background and 
nothing else ever appeared: no dock, no Desktop, etc.

FORTUNATELY (HINT HINT!!!) there was another user account with Admin privileges 
already present on the computer. I was able to log in as that user.

Here's the fix, if you ever find yourself in this situation.

Applejack found most or all of the missing pieces of his user directory 
structure and put it in /lost+found as a long series of numbered folders 
523343, 512244, etc etc..

(See:

http://www.techworld.com.au/article/214899/unix_tip_rescuing_files_from_lost_found/
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/explained-lost-found-folder-in-os-x-712519
 )

I logged in, renamed his now ruined home directory.

I had him log in; in the absence of a valid home directory, OS X will create a 
new, empty one.

I then logged back in as the first user (fast user switching roxxors), and 
opened a finder window as root, per the directions above. This now allowed me 
to open his normally locked home directory in the finder.

Then I looked through the myriad of folders in /lost+found. Fortunately it 
looked like most of his /library folder was one of them, most of his Pictures 
folder another, etc. I moved the files and folders into the appropriate places.

Once I was done in finder I want back to the terminal window where I started a 
finder instance as root and control-c'ed out of the command. Then I went to 
users and did: sudo chown -R theuser:thegroup theuser/

Whenere theuser is the user's short name, and thegroup is the user's group. 
This can be determined by the follwong command in Terminal:
open a new Terminal Window and enter:
cd /Users
ls -l

You'll see something like this:

dbdev2:~ johnson$ cd /Users
dbdev2:Users johnson$ ls -l
total 0
drwxrwxrwt   18 root  wheel  612 Dec 14 16:31 Shared
drwxr-xr-x   21 helpdesk  helpdesk   714 Dec 15 10:42 helpdesk
drwxr-xr-x@ 260 johnson   johnson   8840 Apr 25 09:21 johnson
drwxr-xr-x   15 test  staff  510 Aug 20  2010 test

looking at the top line, root is the user, wheel is the group. Since 10.4 or so 
users have had their primary group one with the same name as their short 
username. (see helpdesk helpdesk, or johnson johnson). IN earlier versions of 
OSX your default group was 'staff'.

The chown command above makes sure that all the files in the user's directory 
are owned by him (CHange OWNership) since root was moving (and in some cases 
copying) the files many could have been owned by root)

After this, he was able to log in again and most of his stuff was as he left it.

I was still getting problems booting up as in taking 5-10 minutes to boot (In 
10.6, possibly 10.5, if the system boots up with a long progress bar like a 
safe boot, fsck is having problems with the drive. In earlier versions of the 
OS I think the spinning gear just keeps on spinning, making it appear that 
nothing is going on) It would eventually boot but take forever.

(Another useful hint: I rebooted holding down the Command-V keys; this boots in 
'verbose' mode, showing the old school Unix boot screen, where I was able to 
see that the system was repeatedly trying to repair the disk with fsck)

Connected it via FWTM to my iMac, tried Disk Utility to repair, no go. Tried 
Disk Warrior and DW once again proved it's worth, by handily rebuilding his 
disk directory and restoring his system back to normal.

His external drives for Time Machine (which I suggested he get a YEAR AGO!) are 
now winging their way here...

Caveat! 

As with ANYTHING done as root, you can really screw up the system. Using Finder 
like this is taking a heavy-duty power tool, removing all the safety guards, 
duct taping it to your hands and supergluing the trigger to the 'ON' position. 
If you don't know what you're doing, you can lop off a limb before you know 
what happened to you...

Use wisely :-)

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs


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Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

2011-04-26 Thread Albert Carter
I agree this is a great tale and awesome and useful information. I'm not 
nitpicking here but wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just restore 
from backup?


Albert




From: Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...


On Apr 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 sniperoo

 Caveat! 
 
 As with ANYTHING done as root, you can really screw up the system. Using 
 Finder like this is taking a heavy-duty power tool, removing all the safety 
 guards, duct taping it to your hands and supergluing the trigger to the 'ON' 
 position. If you don't know what you're doing, you can lop off a limb before 
 you know what happened to you...
 
 Use wisely :-)

Bruce,

Fascinating tale, which I appreciate your taking the time to share. It's 
because of the sharing that goes on in this group that I've learned so much 
about Macs over the years. The fact that you, Dan and a few others who are 
really, really hands-on as well as book-smart knowledgeable take the time to 
share your experiences makes this group more valuable than any other single 
resource for Macs on the Internet.

Thank you!

Jim Scott
Macs for Kids

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Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

2011-04-26 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Apr 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

 I agree this is a great tale and awesome and useful information. I'm not 
 nitpicking here but wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just restore 
 from backup?


Yes it would have been,  had there been backups to restore from...

His external drives for Time Machine (which I suggested he get a YEAR AGO!) 
are now winging their way here...

There's a moral in there somewhere 8-) 

-- 
Bruce Johnson

Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai,  PhD

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