Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[hackmiester / Hunter Fuller]

2008/10/10 Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Howdy,
>  Most of my friends can read C++ code, but only a few actively write
> it.  I don't however think my sample is representative.
>  The comparison expressed is pretty delusional, since Linux passed OSX
> in UI usability a while back.  OSX is still prettier, but not flashier

I agree here; OS X seems nonstandard after using other flavours of UNIX.

> or more usable.  Adoption of the broad market takes a while, but is
> progressing.  In the mean time, it is good to know OSX and Linux.
> Rationally yours,
> Ralph
>
> On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 16:55 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> Right, because the majority of people who use computers these days all
>> know C++ and can read the source code.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Linux is great, it has it's place, but seriously, trying to say it's
>> on par with OS X on the UI front is delusional.
>>
>
>
> >
>



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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Ralph]

Howdy,
  Most of my friends can read C++ code, but only a few actively write
it.  I don't however think my sample is representative.
  The comparison expressed is pretty delusional, since Linux passed OSX
in UI usability a while back.  OSX is still prettier, but not flashier
or more usable.  Adoption of the broad market takes a while, but is
progressing.  In the mean time, it is good to know OSX and Linux.
Rationally yours,
Ralph

On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 16:55 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> Right, because the majority of people who use computers these days all  
> know C++ and can read the source code.
> 
> 
> 
> Linux is great, it has it's place, but seriously, trying to say it's  
> on par with OS X on the UI front is delusional.
> 


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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Simon Royal]

Doug

Of course the X in OSX stands for 10.

Some people refer to it as OS 10. It makes sense as it follows OS9.

But I do think it has some hankering on to the NeXT days too.

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Subject: Re: 10.10, XI or What?
From: Doug McNutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 09/10/2008 23:39


At 22:03 +0100 10/9/08, Simon Royal wrote:
>I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after 
>they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.
>
>Will they go for 10.10?

There's nothing wrong with that. Other 'NIX apps do it.

But the X in OS-X does NOT stand for the base of decimal arithmetic, 10.

I'm convinced that it is there because Steve came home from NexT, Inc. and the 
folks who came with him really wanted to preserve the concept of GUI 
applications existing in a UNIX background.

OS 10 would have been an improvement of OS 9:   Instead. . .

OS neXt was a whole new system that required dropping a whole lot of the good 
that came with the "classic" MacOS. In my case it's the loss of MPW which was 
really a way to make classic Mac behave a bit like UNIX.

It's not that I disapprove. Right now I'm enjoying ubuntu which works a whole 
lot like OS neXt but there are no secrets to worry about and if you find a bug 
you can fix it yourself and contribute the fix to the community. It's also 
cheaper at a total cost of $0.0. If you're thinking about upgrading from your 
G4 to a newer Intel-based Apple box you owe it to yourself to check out ubuntu. 
Nautilus replaces Finder and the gnome toolkit is a whole like the Mac-classic 
toolbox. Reasonable people can well disagree, but checking it out costs nothing 
but access to a friend who has an Intel box you can play with.

And yes I'm still showing 10 x cost on my AAPL.  Perhaps that's OS 10.X.1

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Simon Royal]

Bruce

I tend to agree with you about Linux at present. It has been there for years, 
never really made an impact. Ubuntu is gaining a lot of ground. With each new 
release is fast becoming a mainstream OS contender but it still has a long way 
to go.

It is still too buggy and geeky for someone who just wants an OS to use.

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Subject: Re: 10.10, XI or What?
From: Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10/10/2008 00:55



On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

> if you find a bug you can fix it yourself and contribute the fix to  
> the community.

Right, because the majority of people who use computers these days all  
know C++ and can read the source code.



Linux is great, it has it's place, but seriously, trying to say it's  
on par with OS X on the UI front is delusional.

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Will S]

The name OS11 is owned already. So Apple would have to buy it to use.
This is really old news from OSX early days. I think it's a german
company but hard to remember for sure.
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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[PeterH]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Dan wrote:

>> I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do  
>> after
>> they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.
>
> Unix has been plodding along since the late 1960s.  What the heck -
> lets stick with it another decade.  No need to THINK Different.  Just
> keep slapping fresh bandages on that baby!

System/360/370/390-z/System (and its OS) is in its forty-forth  
year ... nearly a half-century, and still going strong.

Binary compatibility from the earliest version to the present, too,  
which is more than can be said for Unix or MacOS.





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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Dan]

At 10:03 PM +0100 10/9/2008, Simon Royal wrote:
>I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after
>they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.

Unix has been plodding along since the late 1960s.  What the heck - 
lets stick with it another decade.  No need to THINK Different.  Just 
keep slapping fresh bandages on that baby!

Today, we're fooling around at 2 and wee over 3 GHz with Intel while 
IBM is blazing along at 5 GHz on their way to 6.  Can't wait to see 
what tomorrow brings.

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[hackmiester / Hunter Fuller]

2008/10/9 Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> related as a number (otherwise the name of the operating system would
> be 'oh ess ten ten point five', not 'oh ess eks ten point five' which
> is what everyone  calls it.)

Um, that's because they're wrong. Apple calls it "Mac Oh Ess Ten" and
I think Jobs has mentioned this before. So, "Oh Ess Ecks" is wrong.

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

> if you find a bug you can fix it yourself and contribute the fix to  
> the community.

Right, because the majority of people who use computers these days all  
know C++ and can read the source code.



Linux is great, it has it's place, but seriously, trying to say it's  
on par with OS X on the UI front is delusional.

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Alexander MacLeod]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Bruce Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Simon Royal wrote:
>
> > I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do
> > after
> > they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.
> >
> > Will they go for 10.10? Will the abandon the whole numbering and name
> > system before then? Will they leave OSX behind and move on to
> > something new altogether?


> Long story short, it'll be OS X 10.10, or quite possibly OS X

> 11.something by then, if it isn't, as you suggest, been turned into
> something else entirely.

I'd love to see them use OS 11. You've got to love something that goes to 11.





Alex

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do  
> after
> they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.
>
> Will they go for 10.10? Will the abandon the whole numbering and name
> system before then? Will they leave OSX behind and move on to  
> something new
> altogether?

That's at least 6 years in the future (basing it on 18 months per  
iteration), so who knows what'll happen.

I expect, however that since the X has only ever been tenuously  
related as a number (otherwise the name of the operating system would  
be 'oh ess ten ten point five', not 'oh ess eks ten point five' which  
is what everyone  calls it.)

It was a way of marking the big difference between the old Prominent  
use of numerals ("OS 9"), a subtle hearkening back to NeXT, plus back  
in that 2000-2001 time-frame adding an 'X' to brand names was a fairly  
widespread practice, all science-fictiony, futuristic and oh-so-twenty- 
first century, at least until the 21st century started turning into a  
depressing shitpile just like the 20th, a mere nine months into the  
new century.

Long story short, it'll be OS X 10.10, or quite possibly OS X  
11.something by then, if it isn't, as you suggest, been turned into  
something else entirely. I doubt it, though, OS X seems to be a pretty  
durable branding. It rolls trippingly off the tongue, short, snappy,  
easy to remember.

>
> Of course nobody knows, I doubt even Apple have given it much thought,

I can guarantee you that someone at Apple HAS given this thought.

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Re: 10.10, XI or What?

[Doug McNutt]

At 22:03 +0100 10/9/08, Simon Royal wrote:
>I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after 
>they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.
>
>Will they go for 10.10?

There's nothing wrong with that. Other 'NIX apps do it.

But the X in OS-X does NOT stand for the base of decimal arithmetic, 10.

I'm convinced that it is there because Steve came home from NexT, Inc. and the 
folks who came with him really wanted to preserve the concept of GUI 
applications existing in a UNIX background.

OS 10 would have been an improvement of OS 9:   Instead. . .

OS neXt was a whole new system that required dropping a whole lot of the good 
that came with the "classic" MacOS. In my case it's the loss of MPW which was 
really a way to make classic Mac behave a bit like UNIX.

It's not that I disapprove. Right now I'm enjoying ubuntu which works a whole 
lot like OS neXt but there are no secrets to worry about and if you find a bug 
you can fix it yourself and contribute the fix to the community. It's also 
cheaper at a total cost of $0.0. If you're thinking about upgrading from your 
G4 to a newer Intel-based Apple box you owe it to yourself to check out ubuntu. 
Nautilus replaces Finder and the gnome toolkit is a whole like the Mac-classic 
toolbox. Reasonable people can well disagree, but checking it out costs nothing 
but access to a friend who has an Intel box you can play with.

And yes I'm still showing 10 x cost on my AAPL.  Perhaps that's OS 10.X.1

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10.10, XI or What?

[Simon Royal]

Hi

I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after 
they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.

Will they go for 10.10? Will the abandon the whole numbering and name 
system before then? Will they leave OSX behind and move on to something new 
altogether?

Of course nobody knows, I doubt even Apple have given it much thought, but 
10.6 'Snow Leopard' is coming shortly and the others will follow shortly 
after.

Simon

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