Re: A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue

[Tina K.]

On 2010/12/02 09:08, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote:

Most (all?) CRT flybacks since the late 80s have a built in bleeder
circuit to drain off the CRT charge after the system is powered down.


There's always the remote possibility that the bleeder circuit is 
damaged or non-functioning for some reason. Better safe than sorry.



maybe I just have some of relation to Uncle Fester.


Do you prefer incandescent or CFL? :-p

Tina

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Re: A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue

[t...@io.com]

On Dec 2, 1:20 am, Jonas Ulrich  wrote:

> As for danger, I seriously doubt it's that dangerous. I suppose you are sort
> of opening up a CRT monitor, which can be dangerous, just stay away from the
> components in the actual CRT, and if you are worried about it, I'm sure
> there are measures that can be taken in order to drain any electricity from
> the CRT before you work on it.

Most (all?) CRT flybacks since the late 80s have a built in bleeder
circuit to drain off the CRT charge after the system is powered down.

I strongly doubt that there is any electrical shock danger from an
unplugged eMac.

Also, while the voltage is high, the current and available power is
tiny.  You'd have to be fantastically unlucky to be injured even if
you were to touch a charged CRT.

The *only* time I've been shocked by a CRT was when I went to
discharge an old Mac 512K.   Trying to avoid being shocked by
discharging the CRT is the exact thing which caused me to be
shocked.   Better to just stay away from the CRT/flyback connection
rather than attempt to discharge it.

And that shock, it was uncomfortable, but hardly injurious.   Then
again, I've been electrocuted by wall current more times than I count
and the only time it had any effect beyond discomfort was the one time
I got a 220V jolt from the mains on an electric water heater.  That
did knock be back a bit.   So maybe I just have some of relation to
Uncle Fester.

Jeff Walther

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Re: A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue

[James Therrault]

On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2010/12/01 19:48, Bruce so eloquently wrote:

You do not need to put your new hard drive in the eMac.

Put the new hard drive in an external case, and plug it into the  
eMac.


Yes that will work, though I believe the throughput of the internal  
bus is faster than an external firewire drive.


I have not worked on an eMac but I did own a late G3 iMac and I  
believe both can be worked on without too much difficulty -  
certainly easier than a clamshell iBook.



If I'm no mistaken, most of Apple's consumer level products are  
(purposely) difficult to work on.


I had an graphite clamshell that still had the tiny 7GB HD and I  
decided to upgrade. I purchased a 60GB 7,200 rpm drive at Fry's but  
the hang-up was trying to find someone to install it.


I languished for nearly a year but then went back east for a vacation  
and mentioned to an old Mac guru friend the dilemma that I was in. He  
stated, "no problem," and took the machine overnight and we met for  
breakfast the next day.  The upgraded iBook really came alive with  
the fast drive!


BTW, the HD on those clamshells is about the first component they  
install at the factory and you can just guess what you hafta go  
through to replace one...


JT





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Re: A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue

[Jonas Ulrich]

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Tina K.  wrote:

> On 2010/12/01 19:48, Bruce so eloquently wrote:
>
>> You do not need to put your new hard drive in the eMac.
>>
>> Put the new hard drive in an external case, and plug it into the eMac.
>>
>
> Yes that will work, though I believe the throughput of the internal bus is
> faster than an external firewire drive.
>
> I have not worked on an eMac but I did own a late G3 iMac and I believe
> both can be worked on without too much difficulty - certainly easier than a
> clamshell iBook.
>
> If you take the appropriate precautions as previously mentioned, and pay
> attention to what goes where (an ice cube tray can be helpful for keeping
> screws segregated) you'll be ok. Assuming you have some very basic
> mechanical & electronic aptitude.
>
> Tina
>
>
I couldn't agree more Tina. I have personally worked on both the eMac, the
iMac G3, and the Clamshell iBook. And yes the eMac and iMac are both easier
than than the Clamshell.

I had never opened up an eMac before when I first upgraded the optical drive
in the original 700MHZ model. The biggest pain is the wire mesh that you
will have to remove. I'm not sure if it is even necessary to put it back on,
but the only way to do so, will require cutting some of the mesh away,
especially around the corners. (You'll see what I mean if you take the
machine apart). Other than that, just keep track of the screws and you'll be
fine. The newer models actually don't have the mesh, it's just good old
metal, which is A LOT easier to work with. (I replaced a hard drive in a
1.25GHZ eMac).

As for danger, I seriously doubt it's that dangerous. I suppose you are sort
of opening up a CRT monitor, which can be dangerous, just stay away from the
components in the actual CRT, and if you are worried about it, I'm sure
there are measures that can be taken in order to drain any electricity from
the CRT before you work on it.

Overall I think it's totally doable.

-Jonas

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Re: A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue

[Tina K.]

On 2010/12/01 19:48, Bruce so eloquently wrote:

You do not need to put your new hard drive in the eMac.

Put the new hard drive in an external case, and plug it into the eMac.


Yes that will work, though I believe the throughput of the internal bus 
is faster than an external firewire drive.


I have not worked on an eMac but I did own a late G3 iMac and I believe 
both can be worked on without too much difficulty - certainly easier 
than a clamshell iBook.


If you take the appropriate precautions as previously mentioned, and pay 
attention to what goes where (an ice cube tray can be helpful for 
keeping screws segregated) you'll be ok. Assuming you have some very 
basic mechanical & electronic aptitude.


Tina

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A Simple Solution to the eMac Hard Drive Issue

[Bruce]

Hello,

You do not need to put your new hard drive in the eMac.

Put the new hard drive in an external case, and plug it into the eMac.

Bruce Sugarberg
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Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Tom > wrote:




So, I called the local Apple store (in Albuquerque) to see if they'd
put the drive in for me, and was told that "we don't service older
Macs. And that one is even dangerous to open up."

Well, thanks for nothing, Apple. Just how new does a Mac have to be
before an Apple technician will service it? Brand new, or nearly so?
And do you really build computers so dangerous that even an Apple tech
is afraid to open it up?

What kind of a crummy company is this, anyway? Methinks they really
need some competition. As it is, they obviously feel free to jettison
owners of their products once those products have passed a certain
age.

__



Well there are a lot of loyal Macheads thinking the same thing. but 
with so many new ones spending big bucks on the glamorous new models 
do you think Apple cares?


A month or so ago some other revelations of the new Mac order were made.

Their lack of care about low end users or long time users is classic 
hubris. It deserves an equitable consumer response.


Nothing lasts forever. Despite all the " Old macs live for ever 
rah-rah " BS still seen here.


A warm wet cloth on the eyes should clear out the illusions.

The smiling friendly Mac Guy has become demented.





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