Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Title: Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ... At 6:46 PM -0700 3/12/09 nestamicky wrote: Well this is good to know. Now I turn my attention to a video web server...where people can log in and see a live stream. Ideas? Sorry, I'm a bit behind on this list. Consider http://www.ustream.tv. You can sign up and stream for free. We used our external iSight camera to stream puppies a couple of months ago. Got a lot of traffic using that site. ~Edie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Edie wrote: At 6:46 PM -0700 3/12/09 nestamicky wrote: Well this is good to know. Now I turn my attention to a video web server...where people can log in and see a live stream. Ideas? Sorry, I'm a bit behind on this list. Consider http://www.ustream.tv. You can sign up and stream for free. We used our external iSight camera to stream puppies a couple of months ago. Got a lot of traffic using that site. ~Edie Thanks a lot for that site Edie. I may use it, but I'm also interested in an app I could run from my G4. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Another minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Heh! After thinking about this for awhile, I started wondering what values my ol' G4 400 Gigabit was seein' on the 160GB Seagate drive that I installed a couple of years ago. The reason, the limitations for HDs with this era machine. Yep, I partitioned it into three equal volumes and got the following from Get Info. #1 - 49.55GB #2 - 49.55GB #3 - 49.55GB Then I remember vaguely someone mentioning that partitioning is the workaround to achieve the full potential of this drive so I guess that a total value of just under 150GB proves that out with the rest of the missing capacity just being consumed by overhead. Interesting point: System Profiler lists this drive as having a total capacity of 128GB which would be its unpartitioned capacity. Oh well, just something to break up the morning... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:20 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: Heh! After thinking about this for awhile, I started wondering what values my ol' G4 400 Gigabit was seein' on the 160GB Seagate drive that I installed a couple of years ago. The reason, the limitations for HDs with this era machine. Yep, I partitioned it into three equal volumes and got the following from Get Info. #1 - 49.55GB #2 - 49.55GB #3 - 49.55GB Then I remember vaguely someone mentioning that partitioning is the workaround to achieve the full potential of this drive so I guess that a total value of just under 150GB proves that out with the rest of the missing capacity just being consumed by overhead. I believe its also related to the 160 is base 10.00 ... which translates to roughly 150, base 2**10. Interesting point: System Profiler lists this drive as having a total capacity of 128GB which would be its unpartitioned capacity. Is this also an LBA48 challenged machine? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Clark Martin wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:46 PM, nestamicky wrote: As a video chat camera, under good lighting, it's looks to be a good webcam...it's just too bad it isn't a USB2 camera, so it works natively with iChat. Until your last comment about USB2, I believed that iChat will only work with Firewire camera's. You learn everyday, if you're willing and ready to. Thanks a lot Bruce. The cameras in the iMacs and Macbook/macbook pros are USB cameras. There;'s a specific class of USB cameras that works natively with iChat. They finally developed the USB Video Class (UVC), a standard protocol for accessing video devices (cameras, composite video adapters, etc). I don't know what took them so long. Some version of Tiger introduced support for UVC cameras. A later version added support for them in iChat. So if you are using 10.4.11 or Leopard then UVC is supported. So any UVC camera can be used with 10.4.11. The problem is that a lot of UVC cameras do not say they are UVC capable on the packaging or in some cases in the manufacturers online docs. But most or all will say they are Vista compliant which is the same thing. Well this is good to know. Now I turn my attention to a video web server...where people can log in and see a live stream. Ideas? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, nestamicky wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all. A couple of months ago, I got a neat little webcam from Woot.com, the Clique Hue. I went to their site Bruce and saw some cute cams. I'm curious though; how are these connected to the computer. I'm not seeing any cable. The gooseneck thingie ends in a USB plug, so you can plug it in directly, there's also a weighted base that comes with a USB cable, and a usb port on the top for the camera. Here's a good picture: http://tinyurl.com/aecrjw The camera is plugged into the base here. (the usb cable, which is about 2.5-3' long is the dark blob in the box there.) They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3 megapixels. I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were horrible, horrible jaggies in the image. But the focus was sharp at 640x480and 800x600, and their 5cm to infinity focus range seems right, which will make them great for playing with stop-action animation. You'll need iChatUSBCam to use them with iChat. It had quite good low-lighting response, and a decent framerate. It was worth the $14 + SH I paid at Woot. You can get 'em at K-mart for $19, about the same price I got after SH. Thanks for the review Bruce...here is a camera I will pass on. They look cute though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:41 AM, nestamicky wrote: They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3 megapixels. I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were horrible, horrible jaggies in the image. Well, upon further experimentation, the jaggies were the result of two things: the low light conditions, and some peculiarities with their snapshot function. Here is a test image taken under better conditions. http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/hue.html (Student group had a bake sale this morning...) Bottom line, it looks as though the claimed resolution of 1280 x 1024 (1.3 megapixels) is based on an interlaced video signal. The snapshot takes one frame. The true resolution of the CCD is very likely 640x512, so when it's blown up to full claimed resolution it looks like crap. Their included video monitor properly interlaces both frames and displays it as a single image on the screen, so the OS screen cap looks better. Not exactly false advertising, but quite close, imo. It could also just be the Mac driver, as well. I haven't installed it under Windows to see what it looks like there. As a video chat camera, under good lighting, it's looks to be a good webcam...it's just too bad it isn't a USB2 camera, so it works natively with iChat. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:41 AM, nestamicky wrote: They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3 megapixels. I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were horrible, horrible jaggies in the image. Well, upon further experimentation, the jaggies were the result of two things: the low light conditions, and some peculiarities with their snapshot function. Here is a test image taken under better conditions. http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/hue.html (Student group had a bake sale this morning...) Bottom line, it looks as though the claimed resolution of 1280 x 1024 (1.3 megapixels) is based on an interlaced video signal. The snapshot takes one frame. The true resolution of the CCD is very likely 640x512, so when it's blown up to full claimed resolution it looks like crap. Their included video monitor properly interlaces both frames and displays it as a single image on the screen, so the OS screen cap looks better. Not exactly false advertising, but quite close, imo. It could also just be the Mac driver, as well. I haven't installed it under Windows to see what it looks like there. As a video chat camera, under good lighting, it's looks to be a good webcam...it's just too bad it isn't a USB2 camera, so it works natively with iChat. Until your last comment about USB2, I believed that iChat will only work with Firewire camera's. You learn everyday, if you're willing and ready to. Thanks a lot Bruce. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
In the world of computers, most of us are so used to things being genuinely difficult that we're unprepared for when the solution is easy and obvious. Is it plugged in? Does the manual tell you how to do it? Does it just start working when you connect everything up? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
Bruce Johnson wrote: Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all. A couple of months ago, I got a neat little webcam from Woot.com, the Clique Hue. I went to their site Bruce and saw some cute cams. I'm curious though; how are these connected to the computer. I'm not seeing any cable. Woot said 'Windows only'; box only mentioned windows, no one on the woot forum chimed in with a 'Oh yeah it works on OS X', but it was cheap, and many of them work with Macam http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/ So I got it. Checked Macam site, didn't work..Ah. I'll wait a couple months, try again. Checked this weekend, still no support. Hmm, maybe someone else has gotten it to work...let me see: Google google google. The company that makes the thing has a web site. http://www.huehd.com/ With a support section. With a drivers page. With a link to OS X drivers, which they've had all along, and were present on the CD included, if I'd bothered to look :-) Moral of the story: Don't always believe the box. :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, nestamicky wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all. A couple of months ago, I got a neat little webcam from Woot.com, the Clique Hue. I went to their site Bruce and saw some cute cams. I'm curious though; how are these connected to the computer. I'm not seeing any cable. The gooseneck thingie ends in a USB plug, so you can plug it in directly, there's also a weighted base that comes with a USB cable, and a usb port on the top for the camera. Here's a good picture: http://tinyurl.com/aecrjw The camera is plugged into the base here. (the usb cable, which is about 2.5-3' long is the dark blob in the box there.) They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3 megapixels. I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were horrible, horrible jaggies in the image. But the focus was sharp at 640x480and 800x600, and their 5cm to infinity focus range seems right, which will make them great for playing with stop-action animation. You'll need iChatUSBCam to use them with iChat. It had quite good low-lighting response, and a decent framerate. It was worth the $14 + SH I paid at Woot. You can get 'em at K-mart for $19, about the same price I got after SH. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all. snip With a link to OS X drivers, which they've had all along, and were present on the CD included, if I'd bothered to look :-) Moral of the story: Don't always believe the box. :-) Oh kay!!! ;-) Chuck D. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
