Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Alexander MacLeod]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Tom  wrote:

> Thanks all for the advice. Yes, I'm beginning to think that the Dell
> 27" might be the way to go, if I decide to buy new. As Kris pointed
> out, its specs exceed the Apple Cinema Displays, and the user reviews
> I've seen are are good.
>
> Both Amazon and Sam's Club have the Dell available. Here it is at
> Sam's: .
>
> Anybody out there using one of these Dell monitors, and have an
> opinion about it? I hope the G5's video card (GeForce 6600) can run it
> OK; I assume it can.

I have a Dell 2709W that I bought when I got my new Mac Pro back in
March of '09. Dell had a one day sale for $600 shipped, which is a
price I've not seen since. I am very pleased with the monitor, and it
even worked fine at 1920x1080 with my old PM G5 with a Radeon 9600
64mb video card. I'm not a huge fan of Dell's computers, but their
monitors are first-rate, and generally an excellent value.

Alex

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

you are right about the expose thing, casey smith. expose isn't  
really smooth on my monitor either, unless i get a video card upgrade.


Grr, people always spell my name wrong! D:

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Mark Sokolovsky]

you are right about the expose thing, casey smith. expose isn't really
smooth on my monitor either, unless i get a video card upgrade.

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[smac0031]

Last fall I picked up an LG 23" 1080p monitor for 199.99. It's
gorgeous.
Save your money.

On Feb 20, 4:24 am, Tom  wrote:
> What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second-
> hand* three or four year old 23" Cinema Display typically goes for
> around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of
> about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that.
>
> Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that
> extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all
> that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at
> an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to
> the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to
> the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on
> display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in
> viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in
> your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view.
>
> I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI
> connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and
> video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and
> sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without
> the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it.
>
> The only way you can get one of the 23" Cinema Displays now is on the
> used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24"
> model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the
> Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24" monitor.
> Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen
> surface ("like looking into an aquarium," and "I'm tired of looking at
> myself like in a mirror," etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been
> replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that,
> the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the
> computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a
> normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some
> sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the
> Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple
> thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)?
>
> Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less
> expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued)
> Apple 23" Cinema Display?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Tom

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

I have an Dell IN1910N 19" monitor, and it runs fine on a GeForce  
6600. It even runs ok on an ATI RAGE128 PRO. Trust me, it is  
probably the best you can get when it comes to bang for the buck,  
quality, and size. In my opinion, the display only looks he best at  
the maximum screen resolution the monitor supports. Anything lower  
won't look with as good sharpness and quality because it's not  
taking advantage of all of the pixels the screen has.


Hehe, i drove my off-brand 21" LCD (16:10) with a Rage 128 Pro, only  
thing is Exposé isn't as pretty as it is on my 15" LCD (4:3)


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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I have an Dell IN1910N 19" monitor, and it runs fine on a GeForce 6600. It
even runs ok on an ATI RAGE128 PRO. Trust me, it is probably the best you
can get when it comes to bang for the buck, quality, and size. In my
opinion, the display only looks he best at the maximum screen resolution the
monitor supports. Anything lower won't look with as good sharpness and
quality because it's not taking advantage of all of the pixels the screen
has.

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Tom]

Thanks all for the advice. Yes, I'm beginning to think that the Dell
27" might be the way to go, if I decide to buy new. As Kris pointed
out, its specs exceed the Apple Cinema Displays, and the user reviews
I've seen are are good.

Both Amazon and Sam's Club have the Dell available. Here it is at
Sam's: .

Anybody out there using one of these Dell monitors, and have an
opinion about it? I hope the G5's video card (GeForce 6600) can run it
OK; I assume it can.

Tom

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Tom wrote:

can anyone tell me whether there are less expensive monitors that  
compare favorably to the (now discontinued) Apple 23" Cinema Display?


If you're in this high-end for cheap market, I think the Dell 27"  
and 30" are about as cheap as they come for nice big monitors. The  
27" Dell UltraSharp 2709W is $799 New now on sale from Dell(reg.  
price $929). There are also new ones on eBay for $635 with free  
shipping, which is the same as the best price ever ($599+shipping on  
black friday sales). See:


Note also that these monitors are loss leaders for Dell, and have been  
for a long time.


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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:29 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:



Has the original poster considered having a wall mounted screen to  
do their PS computer work? is this just not feasible? Screens from  
$500 and up, seem to cross over into the large screen arena.




I have a 40" LCD TV, the VGA connection is limited to 1024x768.

I've tried connecting it to an HDMI input for full 1920x1080  
resolution, I could see the video signal until it booted to finder,  
maybe my frequency was off.


But yeah, in theory it should work just fine.

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Tom wrote:

> What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second-
> hand* three or four year old 23" Cinema Display typically goes for
> around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of
> about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that.
> 
> Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that
> extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all
> that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at
> an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to
> the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to
> the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on
> display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in
> viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in
> your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view.
> 
> I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI
> connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and
> video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and
> sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without
> the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it.
> 
> The only way you can get one of the 23" Cinema Displays now is on the
> used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24"
> model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the
> Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24" monitor.
> Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen
> surface ("like looking into an aquarium," and "I'm tired of looking at
> myself like in a mirror," etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been
> replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that,
> the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the
> computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a
> normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some
> sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the
> Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple
> thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)?
> 
> Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less
> expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued)
> Apple 23" Cinema Display?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Tom


IMHO If you can get a 23" Cinema monitor for your PM G5 you won't be 
disappointed. Those things cost $3500.00 when new and Apple dropped the price 
to $2000.00 ten months later.  I have one on my "Stanley Steamer" PM G5 Dual 
2.7. I also have other displays such as Hp 22" and VIZIO 36" plus 2 Apple 17" 
studio displays and my favorite display is the Apple 23" Cinema, I got it for 
$240.00 on eBay and it's a cream puff.
 But that's just me.



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA




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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[PM7500]

You don't buy peripherals from Apple just like you don't buy RAM and
hard drive upgrades. They charge too much money for them. There's no
necessity to buy an Apple monitor as they aren't proprietary. Any
decent quality LCD monitor will do for most people and will cost a lot
less. Professionals with specific needs will have to do some
comparison shopping, though, as generic monitors usually aren't good
enough in high end applications. Unless you're doing complex photo or
video manipulations where you need to have absolute control over every
pixel, you shouldn't need a high end monitor.

On Feb 20, 4:24 am, Tom  wrote:
> What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second-
> hand* three or four year old 23" Cinema Display typically goes for
> around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of
> about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that.
>
> Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that
> extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all
> that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at
> an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to
> the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to
> the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on
> display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in
> viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in
> your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view.
>
> I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI
> connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and
> video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and
> sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without
> the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it.
>
> The only way you can get one of the 23" Cinema Displays now is on the
> used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24"
> model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the
> Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24" monitor.
> Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen
> surface ("like looking into an aquarium," and "I'm tired of looking at
> myself like in a mirror," etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been
> replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that,
> the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the
> computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a
> normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some
> sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the
> Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple
> thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)?
>
> Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less
> expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued)
> Apple 23" Cinema Display?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Tom

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[kocho]

Tom; Very well put! My dilemma and questions  as well. Now new
technology is monitor with LEAD .Thnx.

On Feb 20, 4:24 am, Tom  wrote:
> What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second-
> hand* three or four year old 23" Cinema Display typically goes for
> around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of
> about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that.
>
> Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that
> extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all
> that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at
> an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to
> the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to
> the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on
> display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in
> viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in
> your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view.
>
> I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI
> connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and
> video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and
> sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without
> the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it.
>
> The only way you can get one of the 23" Cinema Displays now is on the
> used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24"
> model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the
> Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24" monitor.
> Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen
> surface ("like looking into an aquarium," and "I'm tired of looking at
> myself like in a mirror," etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been
> replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that,
> the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the
> computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a
> normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some
> sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the
> Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple
> thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)?
>
> Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less
> expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued)
> Apple 23" Cinema Display?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Tom

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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 4:29 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:


How does this all compare to the LCD and LED/LCD TVs?


I think it's kinda the same as the CRT days. The TVs have much lower  
resolution for their size. For example, my iPhone monitor screen is  
2"x3" and is 480x320 for 160 ppi (pixels per inch). My Samsung 40" LCD  
TV is 35"x17.5" has 1080p resolution (1920x1080) for 54 ppi, which is  
3x less linear pixels, and 9x less 2D(area) pixels. Thus, the TV  
screen has the physical size of 102 iphone screens, but can only  
display the equivalent of 13.5 iphone displays, which is the 9x less,  
the difference in the relative pixel density.


The distance that the LCD is viewed from is a factor. An iphone is  
normally viewed from about 1 foot. A computer monitor is viewed at  
about 2 feet, and a TV from at least 6 feet. This tends to equalize  
somewhat the pixel density as a function of how much the screen  
represents in your visual field-of-view.


The upshot is that a large 40" LCD TV might be an OK monitor if you're  
sitting 6 or 8 feet from it, but if you're sitting 2 feet away it's  
going to be a fuzzy, low-resolution mess that fills your whole field- 
of-view. If you were going to get a true 40" monitor to sit a normal 2  
feet from, you'd need monitor resolution, which lies about halfway  
between the iPhone's 160ppi and the TV's 55ppi at about 100 ppi. For  
example my 22" monitor is exactly 100 ppi at 1680x1050. This makes the  
screen measure 16.8" by 10.5" exactly. The reason they call this  
monitor a 22" monitor is because that's the diagonal measurement of  
the screen. All monitors and TVs are measured diagonal, it's supposed  
to somehow be more representative of screen "area", but I don't see  
this? Something most people don't realize is that widescreen 16:10 &  
16:9 ratio monitors have around 20% less total pixels than older 4:3  
monitors of the same width. This especially applies to laptops where  
the competition causing major scrimping by manufacturers. A wide- 
screen with 20% less pixels that fools the eye can cut costs and  
enable lower price points. Still, wide-screens are the future of all  
video formats, so a 4x3 monitor seems a little antiquated already.


The thing to remember is a monitor is meant to be viewed from only a  
few feet away, and needs relatively high pixel density compared to a  
similar sized TV. The are some smaller TVs that can double as  
monitors. Again, pay close attention to the pixels per inch, looking  
for around 100 ppi if you're going to be sitting a couple feet away.  
If it's a true TV that you're going to be sitting at least 6-8 feet  
from, and you're going to use it as a computer also, get a wireless  
keyboard & mouse, or use an old laptop as keyboard & trackpad to  
control the computer's TV screen with something like Teleport.


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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Bill Connelly]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 5:15 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Tom wrote:

can anyone tell me whether there are less expensive monitors that  
compare favorably to the (now discontinued) Apple 23" Cinema Display?


If you're in this high-end for cheap market, I think the Dell 27"  
and 30" are about as cheap as they come for nice big monitors. The  
27" Dell UltraSharp 2709W is $799 New now on sale from Dell(reg.  
price $929). There are also new ones on eBay for $635 with free  
shipping, which is the same as the best price ever ($599+shipping on  
black friday sales). See:


They're even cheaper as refurbished, when available, which isn't  
often because they get snapped up quick.


These Dell monitors will lose their value fast, whereas, an Apple  
Cinema Monitor maintains value even when better is available new for  
cheaper. You pay for the Apple style, and the Apple name. Cool is  
cool, and cool costs $.


Note, the contrast ratio on the 23" Cinema Display is 350:1. Any  
standard monitor these days is 1,000:1, and the Dell I cited above  
is 3,000:1, or 10x the contrast ratio of the Apple 23". If you can  
settle for lesser 1,000:1 ratio, any Samsung monitor is a good deal,  
probably for $250 - $350 in the 24" to 26" sizes.


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How does this all compare to the LCD and LED/LCD TVs? (let me know if  
this hijacks this thread ... don't mean to)


Monitors vrs TVs ... are they closer to being the same thing, than  
they use to be?


I've been wanting a large screen for viewing still images, and maybe  
motion as well,  from a distance (across the room), to draw and paint  
from, standing ...


Has the original poster considered having a wall mounted screen to do  
their PS computer work? is this just not feasible? Screens from $500  
and up, seem to cross over into the large screen arena.


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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Tom wrote:

can anyone tell me whether there are less expensive monitors that  
compare favorably to the (now discontinued) Apple 23" Cinema Display?


If you're in this high-end for cheap market, I think the Dell 27" and  
30" are about as cheap as they come for nice big monitors. The 27"  
Dell UltraSharp 2709W is $799 New now on sale from Dell(reg. price  
$929). There are also new ones on eBay for $635 with free shipping,  
which is the same as the best price ever ($599+shipping on black  
friday sales). See:


They're even cheaper as refurbished, when available, which isn't often  
because they get snapped up quick.


These Dell monitors will lose their value fast, whereas, an Apple  
Cinema Monitor maintains value even when better is available new for  
cheaper. You pay for the Apple style, and the Apple name. Cool is  
cool, and cool costs $.


Note, the contrast ratio on the 23" Cinema Display is 350:1. Any  
standard monitor these days is 1,000:1, and the Dell I cited above is  
3,000:1, or 10x the contrast ratio of the Apple 23". If you can settle  
for lesser 1,000:1 ratio, any Samsung monitor is a good deal, probably  
for $250 - $350 in the 24" to 26" sizes.


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Re: Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[lawson bishop]

because new apple products are ripoffs

power pc 4 life!

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Tom  wrote:

> What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second-
> hand* three or four year old 23" Cinema Display typically goes for
> around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of
> about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that.
>
> Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that
> extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all
> that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at
> an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to
> the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to
> the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on
> display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in
> viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in
> your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view.
>
> I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI
> connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and
> video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and
> sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without
> the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it.
>
> The only way you can get one of the 23" Cinema Displays now is on the
> used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24"
> model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the
> Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24" monitor.
> Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen
> surface ("like looking into an aquarium," and "I'm tired of looking at
> myself like in a mirror," etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been
> replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that,
> the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the
> computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a
> normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some
> sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the
> Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple
> thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)?
>
> Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less
> expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued)
> Apple 23" Cinema Display?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Tom
>
>
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Apple 23" Cinema Display questions

[Tom]

What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second-
hand* three or four year old 23" Cinema Display typically goes for
around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of
about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that.

Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that
extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all
that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at
an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to
the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to
the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on
display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in
viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in
your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view.

I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI
connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and
video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and
sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without
the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it.

The only way you can get one of the 23" Cinema Displays now is on the
used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24"
model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the
Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24" monitor.
Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen
surface ("like looking into an aquarium," and "I'm tired of looking at
myself like in a mirror," etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been
replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that,
the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the
computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a
normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some
sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the
Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple
thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)?

Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less
expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued)
Apple 23" Cinema Display?

Thanks much,

Tom


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