Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 30-04-2012 10:48, QuoVadis ha scritto:

> I found out that you'll need MacOS ROM version 9.6.1 to be able to
> boot an MDD into OS9

Just in case someone is looking for MacOS ROM version 9.6.1 and cannot find
it, I have it here; just ask privately. :-)

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[geraldcornish]

Thanks for the clarification Bruce.

On 30 /04/ 2012, at 19:44, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:34 AM, geraldcornish wrote:




guess I'm gonna have to use one of
the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the  
image
processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta  
DiMAGE -

a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as
superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and  
also

wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic


Apple provides Camera RAW support for OS X, and the Minolta  
DiMAGE is mentioned specifically in each update, so I think  
you're covered in OS X and won't be needing these OS 9 drivers.


Here's a version of Tiger 10.4:



Interesting, I downloaded the file at this link and it says "This  
software requires Mac OS X version 10.4.8" and exits.

10.4.11 nor good enough?


"System Requirements
• Mac OS X
• Intel based Macintosh running Mac OS X 10.4.8 Client or Server
• PPC based Macintosh running Mac OS X 10.4.8 Server"


Note PPC requires 10.4.8 *Server*.

I believe this means that the Camera Raw support for this model is  
already included in later versions of the software; otherwise their  
updates usually tack on 'or later' to the requirements. Updates  
like these are their "oops! we forgot to include something in these  
specific versions!" variety.


However, this merely means that that particular raw format is  
supported, the "driver" is installed; you still need to have an  
application (like LightRoom, Photoshop, Aperture, etc) that  
actually manipulates the RAW files.


If for some reason it isn't included, you can use Pacifist to  
install this regardless of what the Installer says.


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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:34 AM, geraldcornish wrote:

>> 
>>> guess I'm gonna have to use one of
>>> the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the image
>>> processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta DiMAGE -
>>> a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as
>>> superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also
>>> wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic
>> 
>> Apple provides Camera RAW support for OS X, and the Minolta DiMAGE is 
>> mentioned specifically in each update, so I think you're covered in OS X and 
>> won't be needing these OS 9 drivers.
>> 
>> Here's a version of Tiger 10.4:
>> 
> 
> Interesting, I downloaded the file at this link and it says "This software 
> requires Mac OS X version 10.4.8" and exits.
> 10.4.11 nor good enough?

"System Requirements
• Mac OS X
• Intel based Macintosh running Mac OS X 10.4.8 Client or Server
• PPC based Macintosh running Mac OS X 10.4.8 Server"


Note PPC requires 10.4.8 *Server*.

I believe this means that the Camera Raw support for this model is already 
included in later versions of the software; otherwise their updates usually 
tack on 'or later' to the requirements. Updates like these are their "oops! we 
forgot to include something in these specific versions!" variety.

However, this merely means that that particular raw format is supported, the 
"driver" is installed; you still need to have an application (like LightRoom, 
Photoshop, Aperture, etc) that actually manipulates the RAW files.

If for some reason it isn't included, you can use Pacifist to install this 
regardless of what the Installer says.

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[geraldcornish]

guess I'm gonna have to use one of
the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the  
image
processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta  
DiMAGE -

a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as
superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also
wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic


Apple provides Camera RAW support for OS X, and the Minolta DiMAGE  
is mentioned specifically in each update, so I think you're covered  
in OS X and won't be needing these OS 9 drivers.


Here's a version of Tiger 10.4:



Interesting, I downloaded the file at this link and it says "This  
software requires Mac OS X version 10.4.8" and exits.

10.4.11 nor good enough?

Ged


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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[t...@io.com]

Once you get OS 9.2.2 on a bootable disk, there are five issues to
contend with on the MDD.

#1:  The machine appears to accept your OS9 installation as bootable,
but won't boot.  As others have reported, you need Mac ROM 9.5.1 or
later, AKA Mac OS CPU Software in your System Folder.

#2:  Sound may not work.  You need to update some of the sound
components (CPs/extensions) from version 1.x.x to 2.x.x.   I'm a
little hazy on the exact version numbers here, unfortunately.  I meant
to note it down some day, but haven't.

#3  The machine may freeze at the desktop.  The mouse pointer will
move, but clicking and keyboard input has no effect.  This is a
conflict between QuickTime 6.0.3 and the ATI drivers which the 9.2.2
installer installs.   Get the latest (2005?) ATI drivers.   If you
have an nVidia card, this shouldn't be a problem.

#4  There's no way to open the optical drives' doors if there is no
disc in the drive.   Again, my memory is hazy, but in the OS 9
folders, outside the System Folder, (In Apple Extras?) there is an
Eject Extras folder.  There's a tool to allow you to eject the
drives.  There's also a shareware tool, you can download, but I didn't
find it to work especially well.

#5  In OS9.x.x, the MDD fans may run at full speed all the time.
Anyone know of the cause/solution to this one?

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Ken Daggett wrote:

> 
> On 29 Apr 2012, at 21:30:28 PDT, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote:
> 
>> The OS9 disc is a retail version AFAIK.  I also tried my iMac DV OS9
>> disc, out of curiosity (desperation!?) - that again tells me I have
>> OS9 installedwhen I tried from Tiger
>> am I missing something obvious here?
> ---
> I believe that the MDD requires a "special" version of OS9 (OS 9.2.2) that 
> shipped with the machine. There ways around this that involve the boot ROM.
> 
> Ken
> 

That boot ROM would be  "Mac OS CPU Software 5.9".  .Pity Apple never put this 
on an install disc, only on the original disc'c for the MDD's.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[David W. Morris]

Not sure about this discussion about OS9 not booting on an MDD.  I  
have a dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD that I upgraded to dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU  
module board and before the upgrade to the faster G4 CPU module, I had  
placed an old 6gb hard drive from one of my G3 iMac's (Tangerine I  
believe), as I was planning on reformatting it to use as a hard drive  
for MorphOS2.7 (which only uses 175mb of disk storage space, so 6gb is  
plenty large enough for the OS and several tools and utilities with  
room to spare for a MorphOS2.7 system drive).  To my surprise, during  
the first boot with that drive installed inside my MDD, it booted into  
MacOS9.2.2, off that drive, instead of my MacOSX10.5.8 hard drive  
which should have still been my selected boot drive.  So, I don't  
understand these comments about MDD PMac's not booting unless there is  
a certain version of the "MAC OS ROM" v9.5.1 or greater, unless that  
file is usually included in a Tangerine G3 iMac.



On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:


This problem has been discussed many times before on G3-5 list.
The problem is the "MAC OS ROM" version, it MUST be v.9.5.1 or  
greater to boot the MDD.

Mac OS ROM is a tiny file within the System Folder.
Here's a link to past postings on this subject:



Use a little ingenuity you can beat this problem. The simple way is  
to boot the MDD into Target Disk Mode holding the "T" key a boot,  
then attach to your Quicksilver or any other Mac that supports 9.1,  
install 9.1 onto the partition of the MDD and then update it to  
9.2.2 and you're done, the 9.2.2 System should now boot on the MDD.


Harder way is to extract the Mac OS ROM file from the 9.2.2 Update  
and manually place it into any installed OS 9 System Folder  
replacing the previous version.


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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:22 AM, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote:


Yes, just done some Googling.unfortunately none of my (4! -
including one none-worker just bought for spares) Mirror Doors came
with their restore CDsnothing on the Apple site in terms of
downloads of this 'special' OS9.


This problem has been discussed many times before on G3-5 list.
The problem is the "MAC OS ROM" version, it MUST be v.9.5.1 or greater  
to boot the MDD.

Mac OS ROM is a tiny file within the System Folder.
Here's a link to past postings on this subject:



Use a little ingenuity you can beat this problem. The simple way is to  
boot the MDD into Target Disk Mode holding the "T" key a boot, then  
attach to your Quicksilver or any other Mac that supports 9.1, install  
9.1 onto the partition of the MDD and then update it to 9.2.2 and  
you're done, the 9.2.2 System should now boot on the MDD.


Harder way is to extract the Mac OS ROM file from the 9.2.2 Update and  
manually place it into any installed OS 9 System Folder replacing the  
previous version.



guess I'm gonna have to use one of
the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the image
processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta DiMAGE -
a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as
superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also
wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic


Apple provides Camera RAW support for OS X, and the Minolta DiMAGE is  
mentioned specifically in each update, so I think you're covered in OS  
X and won't be needing these OS 9 drivers.


Here's a version of Tiger 10.4:


Here's a version for Leopard 10.5:


After you install any supported RAW Camera Update, Software Update  
will take you up to the highest supported update for your OS X version.


Adobe also provides RAW camera extensions for their software.

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[QuoVadis]

Hello Clark,

I dare say that won't work to actuallly boot the MDD, but it will work
with Classic just fine (of this I'm sure).

Reading through this link:

http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/mac-os-922-install-g4-mdd

I found out that you'll need MacOS ROM version 9.6.1 to be able to
boot an MDD into OS9, although the thread does not state the specific
machine involved. Any boot rom with a version number higher than that,
will most likely suffice.


Greetings,

Eelco.

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Clark Martin]

Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine?

On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:22 AM, Deiniol ap Deiniol  
wrote:

> Yes, just done some Googling.unfortunately none of my (4! -
> including one none-worker just bought for spares) Mirror Doors came
> with their restore CDsnothing on the Apple site in terms of
> downloads of this 'special' OS9.  guess I'm gonna have to use one of
> the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the image
> processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta DiMAGE -
> a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as
> superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also
> wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic

I'm pretty sure you can install OS 9 on another machine, bring it up to OS 
9.2.2 with updates then copy the System Folder over to the MDD.  At least this 
should work for running Classic, possibly for booting OS 9. I did this for 
classic on my MDD before I updated it to Leopard. 

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Deiniol ap Deiniol]

Yes, just done some Googling.unfortunately none of my (4! -
including one none-worker just bought for spares) Mirror Doors came
with their restore CDsnothing on the Apple site in terms of
downloads of this 'special' OS9.  guess I'm gonna have to use one of
the Quicksilvesr as an OS9 machine - I was hoping to install the image
processing (for RAW files) software that came with my Minolta DiMAGE -
a 12 year old camera that is in no way obsolete (IMHO!) and is as
superb as something that originally cost £1200 would be .and also
wanted it for a couple of older games that want Classic - Dan.

On Apr 30, 5:58 am, Ken Daggett  wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2012, at 21:30:28 PDT, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote:
>
> > The OS9 disc is a retail version AFAIK.  I also tried my iMac DV OS9
> > disc, out of curiosity (desperation!?) - that again tells me I have
> > OS9 installedwhen I tried from Tiger
> > am I missing something obvious here?
>
> ---
> I believe that the MDD requires a "special" version of OS9 (OS 9.2.2)
> that shipped with the machine. There ways around this that involve
> the boot ROM.
>
> Ken

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Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Ken Daggett]

On 29 Apr 2012, at 21:30:28 PDT, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote:


The OS9 disc is a retail version AFAIK.  I also tried my iMac DV OS9
disc, out of curiosity (desperation!?) - that again tells me I have
OS9 installedwhen I tried from Tiger
am I missing something obvious here?

---
I believe that the MDD requires a "special" version of OS9 (OS 9.2.2)  
that shipped with the machine. There ways around this that involve  
the boot ROM.


Ken

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Getting OS9.1 onto MDD

[Deiniol ap Deiniol]

I've just been playing with my dual 1.GHz MDD, currently with 512
memory (until I find my stock pile!).  I want to set this up with a
drive booting OS9 natively, and also to be able to use Classic in OSX
Tiger.
 I partitioned an 80GB drive as 60/20, with a view to installing OS9
on one and Tiger on the other.  I installed Tiger on the second
partition  successfully, and did the updates.  I then put my OS9.1 cd
in, and this loads, but clicking on either 'install' button tells me I
already have OS 9.1 installed, and to update it to 9.2. It then tells
me that the version of QuickTime is out of date and then says that
Classic cannot update files in "system Folder" on "Mac OS 9.1" because
the disk is read only,
Trying to install an app that requires "Classic", on the Tiger
partition tells me that "Classic" is NOT  installed.
So then I thought I'd try and install OS9 on a separate hard drive.
Using the OS9 cd does not give me this option though from Tiger, and
putting a Leopard drive in there also will not let me install OS9 onto
the separate drive!

So then I thought I'd try booting from cd with just the empty drive
in..but after the "bong" I get nothing and nothing on the display
either. I'm using Apple Display monitor on ADC connector, and I also
plugged in a VGA monitor thru an adapter to the DVI connector but
still no video, (just in case I was for some reason not getting video
on the ADC monitor but )
So then I firewired my original iPod which has a copy of Tiger on it.
This started up the MDD. I then copied  the system folder from the CD
onto the empty hard drive. In 'System Preferences' going to 'Startup
disk' shows OS9 as a boot option.
However selecting this as startup disc does not (as I really expected)
boot OS9!
As I've currently got the Leopard disc in there I can't check whether
"Classic" will launch from the OS9 "system folder" but I suspect not.

If I were to CCC the drive from my PDQ onto the "empty" drive  in a
firewire external box (since I have a PCMCIA FW card for the PDQ)
would that then boot the MDD perhaps?
The OS9 disc is a retail version AFAIK.  I also tried my iMac DV OS9
disc, out of curiosity (desperation!?) - that again tells me I have
OS9 installedwhen I tried from Tiger
am I missing something obvious here?

Dan.

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