Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread Michael Koch

Question to All
Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ?
I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference.
When i go to find update, I get file not found.
Any advice

Thank You


have a nice day
Michael Koch
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Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread Bill Connelly


On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Michael Koch wrote:


 Question to All
 Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ?
 I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference.
 When i go to find update, I get file not found.
 Any advice

 Thank You



I tried once or twice, on my Digital Audio G4 Dual 500 ... but didn't  
reap any benefits.

Was also afraid booting into my already formatted 500GB drive might  
mess up one of the partitions.

Let me know if you get it to working, and how ...

I believe if you do a cmd-opt-P-R, any changes will disappear due to  
the OverDrive modified PRAM being Reset.

I'm currently using a Sonnet Trio to bypass the limitation, and have a  
Firmtek SATA controller and 1TB Seagate en route to upgrade my DA, and  
bypass the limitation.


Good Luck.

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Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread pdimage

On 6/7/09 21:37, Michael Koch troutcr...@ncwcom.com wrote:

 Question to All
 Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ?
 I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference.
 When i go to find update, I get file not found.
 Any advice
 
 Thank You

I used to use the Intech ATA Hi-Cap support driver for larger drives
(than 128GB) on a Sawtooth - always worked well. Never tried OverDrive...

Pete



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Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread Bill Connelly


On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Michael Koch wrote:


 Question to All
 Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ?
 I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference.
 When i go to find update, I get file not found.
 Any advice

OverDrive has a decent How To tutorial. I just re-read it and feel I  
could run it successfully if I need to. Since I'm using an ATA  
controller PCI card that overrides the limitation, I'm not inclined to  
experiment on my current setup in my DA Dual 533 under Leopard ...  
well not any more at present.

AFAIK: You won't be able to search for any changes made by OverDrive  
using the Finder ... I believe the changes occur in NVRAM using Open  
Firmware at Startup. Something like that ...

You would test to see if it worked by using Disk Utility and see how  
much of the 128GB drive is there ... hopefully all of it, after  
you've restarted your system, after running OverDrive.

OverDrive allegedly will also help partition the new drive, so your  
first partition is a 128GB one ... in case you lose the LBA48  
property, and need to run OverDrive again ... avoiding writing  
anything past that 128GB limit ... that would most likely mess the  
partition up, or corrupt a file (my experience).

Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using  
overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first  
one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare  
80GB, and use  that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the  
LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB  
drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition,  
and then the rest as I needed.

I think that's how it might work best.

My thoughts anyway.

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Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread PeterH


On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

 Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using
 overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first
 one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare
 80GB, and use  that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the
 LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB
 drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition,
 and then the rest as I needed.

Whether High Cap, LBA48 Property or OverDrive, the most  
restrictive application is:

1) first partition is precisely 131,072 MB, and

2) remaining partitions are anything you want.

With (1) and (2) applied religiously, whether you use High Cap,  
LBA48 Property or OverDrive really doesn't matter, the result is  
the same: if the kext or property is lost, you will still see the  
first 131,072 MB, which is were your primary OSes should be located  
(I partition my first 131,072 MB into four equal sized partitions as  
I support 10.4.11, 10.3.9, 10.3.9 Server and 10.5.7, roughly in that  
order of precedence).

Now, if you properly use the LBA48 property, you will have the  
equivalent of a Quicksilver 2002, and you can have all your disks as  
single partitions.

There are lots of choices, and one completely fail safe  
implementation, and one maximum utilization implementation.

The choice is yours!

Because of a farkle-up by Intech (failing to provide me with an e- 
mail receipt and a valid customer code for my retail purchase from  
them of High Cap, I have elected to go with the LBA48 property on  
my DAs, but not on my QSes (which are 2002s, so these don't need any  
help, anyway).

The way I have partitioned all my drives is compatible with any of  
the above-mentioned method, and I can freely move my boot-drive/data- 
drive two-high carrier amongst any of my machines.

Fortunately, I have not had to: my lone remaining DA is still on its  
initial installation of the LBA48 property, after I first discovered  
that the version of High Cap which I had would not support Leopard  
(no help, nor information from Intech, on that score, for several  
months).

My sole remaining DA has never had a reset-nvram done to it since  
first installing the LBA48 properties (one on the HD bus, the other  
on the optical bus), and I have been perfectly happy with that  
solution for literally years.



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Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread Michael Koch


On Jul 6, 2009, at 20:17, Bill Connelly wrote:


 On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Michael Koch wrote:


 Question to All
 Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ?
 I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference.
 When i go to find update, I get file not found.
 Any advice

 OverDrive has a decent How To tutorial. I just re-read it and feel I
 could run it successfully if I need to. Since I'm using an ATA
 controller PCI card that overrides the limitation, I'm not inclined to
 experiment on my current setup in my DA Dual 533 under Leopard ...
 well not any more at present.

 AFAIK: You won't be able to search for any changes made by OverDrive
 using the Finder ... I believe the changes occur in NVRAM using Open
 Firmware at Startup. Something like that ...

 You would test to see if it worked by using Disk Utility and see how
 much of the 128GB drive is there ... hopefully all of it, after
 you've restarted your system, after running OverDrive.

 OverDrive allegedly will also help partition the new drive, so your
 first partition is a 128GB one ... in case you lose the LBA48
 property, and need to run OverDrive again ... avoiding writing
 anything past that 128GB limit ... that would most likely mess the
 partition up, or corrupt a file (my experience).

 Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using
 overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first
 one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare
 80GB, and use  that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the
 LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB
 drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition,
 and then the rest as I needed.

 I think that's how it might work best.

 My thoughts anyway.

 

I did all that ; set Overdrive on second HD;  started on first drive:
I have not bin able to get it to work only see 138 Gb out of 250 Gb.
What is the High Cap LBA48 and how does it work.
I do not want to install a controller card or buy speed tools ; rather  
spend the cash
on a different computer for the wife ( she who must be obeyed )
thinking of a G4 or G5; she does not us it except for e-mail and such.

thank you for the help


have a nice day
Michael Koch
mk...@ncwcom.com




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Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread PeterH


On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Michael Koch wrote:

 What is the High Cap LBA48 and how does it work.

The LBA48 properties is a set of commands which are added, as  
appropriate, to your Open Firmware NVRAM.

You will need to select the appropriate pair of LBA48 properties, one  
for the HD bus and one for the optical bus.

The one for the optical bus is certainly optional, but as I generally  
use the Zip position for initializing and cloning new drives, it may  
make some sense to do both.

For the Digital Audio and for the Quicksilver 2001 models, the  
correct properties are found in the enable-lba48-ata4 and the enable- 
lba48-ata3 files.

Earlier models may take other combinations, with the caveat that the  
HD bus is always the fastest and, consequently, it always has the  
higher ATA number.

The files are as follows:

enable-lba48-ata4 ...


#! /bin/bash -

if  kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA 
! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48
thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc  `nvram nvramrc 2-`
if  sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true'  \
nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0  lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc
then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi
fi



enable-lba48-ata3 ...


#! /bin/bash -

if  kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA 
! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48
thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc  `nvram nvramrc 2-`
if  sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true'  \
nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0  lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc
then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi
fi



enable-lba48-ata2 ...


#! /bin/bash -

if  kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA 
! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48
thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc  `nvram nvramrc 2-`
if  sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true'  \
nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0  lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc
then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi
fi



These are persistent until you issue the reset-nvram O.F.  
command, which may be never.

In the case of the 4 and 3 properties, this makes your Digital Audio  
or Quicksilver almost exactly alike a Quicksilver 2002.

The END!



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Re: [G3-5]Re: Hard Drive Limit

2009-07-06 Thread MaGioZal

On 7/6/09 6:08 PM, pdimage at pdim...@btinternet.com wrote:

  Never tried OverDrive...


I tried to download OverDrive software recently, but the link on the site
was down...
 




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Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread jonas ulrich
I have heard that there are two types of quicksilvers, the 2001 and the
2002. I heard that the 2002 didn't have the 128GB hard drive limit and the
2001 did? is this true? how do i know which is the 2002?-Jonas

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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread Dana Collins



On 12/29/08 3:18 PM, jonas ulrich of jonasulrich3...@gmail.com sent

 I have heard that there are two types of quicksilvers, the 2001 and the 2002.
 I heard that the 2002 didn't have the 128GB hard drive limit and the 2001 did?
 is this true? how do i know which is the 2002?
 -Jonas
 
Hi Jonas,

That is correct, the most significant advantage to having a 2002 version is
that it natively supported large drive capacity straight from the OEM design
(no need for hacks or Unix-line adjustments). Here is EveryMac.Com¹s
description of this series of QuickSilvers:
(quote)
The Power Macintosh G4 (Quicksilver 2002) series is very similar to the
Quicksilver series that it replaced -- both share an identical case
design, for example -- but the Power Macintosh G4/933 (Quicksilver 2002) and
Power Macintosh G4/1.0 DP (Quicksilver 2002) -- have faster processors with
faster DDR SDRAM level 3 caches. Additionally, all Quicksilver 2002 models
add support for hard drives larger than 128 GB, add support for dual
displays, and have slightly faster optical drives.
(end quote)

Be sure to obtain one of the three specified original CPU ³intentions² (read
Apple¹s model description in the back) - you know how we Mac-sters like to
swap around ;-) I say this because I had a QS 867MHz single CPU model, which
would be of the 2001 family, and even though the board was stamped ©2002, I
knew it performed as a 2001 board.
Best regards,
Dana

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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread Len Gerstel


On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Donald Hall wrote:


 On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:18 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
 I have heard that there are two types of quicksilvers, the 2001 and
 the 2002. I heard that the 2002 didn't have the 128GB hard drive
 limit and the 2001 did? is this true? how do i know which is the  
 2002?
 -Jonas

 2002 boards can support 128GB and higher drives in Mac OS X.  They're
 not supposed to support large drives in OS 9, though I haven't
 verified this myself.

 2002 boards are often referred to by their part number 820-1342-b  The
 older boards are 820-1276 or something like that.

If it has the original processor, the 2001s without large HD support  
have 733, 867 and Dual 800 G4 processors.

The 2002s with large HD support have 800, 933 and dual 1GHz processors.

The one exception is an education only 2002 which has large HD  
support with a 867MHz processor.

Len




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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread Richard Ramsowr
Yes it's true... no limiting factor when it comes to hard drives

As for tell which is which...  I solved that problem by buying the  
dual 1 GB Power PC G4 aka Quicksilver 2002 the original QS never  
offered a 1GB Dual.

And yes I'm running the most current OS X Tiger 10.5.6

In my mind the QS the best looking of all of the G4's and it hasn't  
failed me yet... oh by the way, I have a pair of Western Digital 320  
GB hard drives on board and a 750 GB external Hard drive for my photo  
collection.

Yours


Rick

Rick
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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread PeterH


On Dec 29, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

 2002 boards are often referred to by their part number 820-1342-b   
 The
 older boards are 820-1276 or something like that.

 If it has the original processor, the 2001s without large HD support
 have 733, 867 and Dual 800 G4 processors.

 The 2002s with large HD support have 800, 933 and dual 1GHz  
 processors.

 The one exception is an education only 2002 which has large HD
 support with a 867MHz processor.

The LBA48 property can be added to any late G4, including at least  
the Gigabits (and possibly also the first AGPs) up to and including  
the QS 2001.

This property is automatically included in all QS 2002 and later G4s.

Once the LBA48 property has been added to the boot ROM, using the  
provided script, it remains active across power cycles, as it is  
persistent within the Mac's non-volatile ROM.

It is cleared only after issuing the reset-nvram command in O.F.

After the LBA48 property has been added, the Mac will recognize every  
size of ATA drive, whatsoever.

Still, it is a good idea to place a partition break at 131,072 MB,  
just in case that property is removed accidentally.



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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread PeterH


On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote:

 As for tell which is which...  I solved that problem by buying the  
 dual 1 GB Power PC G4 aka Quicksilver 2002 the original QS never  
 offered a 1GB Dual.


The 2002 was available with a dual 1.0 GHz ... the 2001 was available  
with a dual 800 MHz.

The motherboards are not identical, although they came from the same  
raw board, and they accept the same processors.

By mixing and mis-matching mobos and processors, it is possible to  
concoct some very strange hybrids, such as dual 1.0 GHz which do not  
recognize large drives.



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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread insightinmind

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http://www.mactracker.ca/

I like my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... always wanted one since they came out  
- the Dual nature sort of snagged me. Purchased it off eBay several  
years ago for around $500. Doesn't have the 128GB limit.

Bypassed the limit in my Yikes! PCI Graphics by using a Sonnet Tempo  
ATA/100 PCI card. Could do the same in everything before the QS 2002.

Can't seem to get 10.5.6 to go with my M-Audio 2496 PCI card ...  
10.5.4 Yes ... .5, .6 No. Not QS 2002's fault ...

Leopard is eye-candy rich.

Bill Connelly
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Re: Quicksilver 2002 no 128GB hard drive limit???

2008-12-29 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:41 PM, insightinmind wrote:

 Leopard is eye-candy rich.

And speed slow on PPC CPUs.


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