Re: Interesting Problem
Sorry, Chuck - I misread the part about the Safari update difficulty, which sent me off into outer space with a lot of irrelevant speculation. 3. Have you ever run the program Monolingual in Leopard, or indeed, in a previous OS X that Leopard was installed over? That would be a yes. This may or may not bear on the interesting problem, but I have heard that use of Monolingual can have unpredictable consequences on subsequent updates. I ran Monolingual on Tiger 10.4.11 and haven't noticed any trouble since, but I was fortunate to run across an article on prudent and cautious use of Monolingual before I tried it. I haven't run Monolingual on Leopard 10.5.8 (which I didn't install over Tiger but on a fresh partition), but then again, the old Tiger Home folder did migrate to Leopard. Still, though, no obvious problems have been noted as a result. I'm glad Bruce chimed in on the client question. I wanted to say 'go ahead, don't worry about it,' but looking at the Apple download page, I got confused myself. They make it confusing. Everything is somehow recommended for all users. Gee, that helps. Very frustrating, waiting on the slow progress of updates. But is your dial-up connection really *that* slow ordinarily? I had great, reliable dial-up service with Earthlink for years. I think it was about as good as a dial-up connection can be. Even so, dial-up is dial- up, and any big updates or other large downloads were projects rather than routine tasks. I remember it well, and with no nostalgia. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE (3)
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Progress Safari 5.0.5 - 73.6 % downloaded, Security Update 2011-002 - 20.7 % downloaded. - 100 %- 28.08% Did a CCC backup of the present full system before install attempt for Safari And time goes on!!! and on and on !! Chuck D. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE (4)
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Progress Security Update 2011-002 - 45.49 % downloaded. Safari 5.0.5 installed without problem Underwhelmed with Safari 5.0.5 Firefox TenFourFoxG5 seem more useful. JMO Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:54 AM, Sean Carroll wrote: Yeah, I remember software updates on dial-up. No fun. They were apt to turn into overnighters, and if something happened to break the connection, well... I would recommend trying again through Software Update, piece by piece this time. I did start down that road, and decided to just move on to downloading the individual 'update' packages --- and then on to using 'Download Manager' I mean, I *would,* but for the following questions 1. What's your previous history with Software Update in Leopard? Has it run before without incident? Was that a long time ago or recently? Haven't had unusual problems [Usual 'slow connection' problems, common.] 2. What's the Leopard installation/update history on your machine? That gets interesting --- I have the Leopard 10.5.8 installed on a 'Firewire' HD, and use the SAME system/installation with: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, Dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 (MDD), iBook G4. No problems once the connection criteria are set. Update history --- everything available till this offering --- [Except for NOT updating unused features, I.E. iTunes, etc.] 3. Have you ever run the program Monolingual in Leopard, or indeed, in a previous OS X that Leopard was installed over? That would be a yes. 4. If you go to Apple MenuAbout This Mac, is the information (including build and serial number) correct? Haven't ever had reason to question this. 5. What is your current version of Safari? 5.0.2 6. If you go to System PreferencesSoftware UpdateInstalled Updates, do you see anything that indicates that the updates that failed were already installed earlier? (Wondering if there's something going on with Software Update itself.) Nope, was more interested in ID information so I could locate the correct items in Apple's archives. 7. Any other problems with downloads or installations recently? No This is just stuff I'd be asking myself if it was my interesting problem. I'm not to be confused with an expert. JMO, but I'll take an interested 'User' over a jaded 'Guru' anytime. Chuck D. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE
On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: Still concerned about the 'security update' being for a 'client' [of Server/ Client], as opposed to a 'desktop' . That is OSX client versus OSX server. That is the correct version for you. -- Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE (2)
Progress Safari 5.0.5 - 73.6 % downloaded, Security Update 2011-002 - 20.7 % downloaded. And time goes on!!! Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Interesting Problem
System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. I don't do iTunes, so that one is a pass, I check the others, and tell the system, 'Have at it'. Many hours later [I'm on Dialup. ;-)] I kill the 'update, it wasn't successful, and start looking fo rhe pieces to download separately. Safari, located and successfully downloaded. Attempt to DO the update, message says it won't run on this machine. JAVA, can't locate in Apple's download archives. Security Update --- what was located is 'Security Update 2011-002 client' [presently being downloaded, but it says 'client' --- SHOULD I chance installing?] Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], nothing locatable for the JAVA item,, The Security Update isn't for a 'plain ole ordinary' desktop. Comments ??? Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. I could be wrong about the 5..0.5 being Intel only, but the message was that it wouldn't run on my hardware. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
Running on my Quicksilver G4. Actually, I am impressed with Apple's software update. I can install Panter on a partition and software update pickps up with the last combo updater; same thing with a Tiger install. It's been a while but even OS 0 will prompt the appropriate updates. On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. I don't do iTunes, so that one is a pass, I check the others, and tell the system, 'Have at it'. Many hours later [I'm on Dialup. ;-)] I kill the 'update, it wasn't successful, and start looking fo rhe pieces to download separately. Safari, located and successfully downloaded. Attempt to DO the update, message says it won't run on this machine. JAVA, can't locate in Apple's download archives. Security Update --- what was located is 'Security Update 2011-002 client' [presently being downloaded, but it says 'client' --- SHOULD I chance installing?] Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], nothing locatable for the JAVA item,, The Security Update isn't for a 'plain ole ordinary' desktop. Comments ??? Chuck Davis -- O.K. I goofed on stating the problem [figured out when I was trying to recreate what I'd said happened.] Safari 5.0.5what I could find was labeled Snow Leopard I just now, found a DL link for a 'Leopard' version [DL under way, using 'Download Manager' --- (Resume interrupted dl's possible)]. Still concerned about the 'security update' being for a 'client' [of Server/ Client], as opposed to a 'desktop' . Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Charles Davis wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. I could be wrong about the 5..0.5 being Intel only, but the message was that it wouldn't run on my hardware. Chuck D. Odd it would download from software up dates if it couldn't run. The one that usually gives the alert is iTunes on Tiger. Try to download again but with dial up it takes a long time if it comes at all. That package of software is 10 or more hours on dial up in this town:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
Yeah, I remember software updates on dial-up. No fun. They were apt to turn into overnighters, and if something happened to break the connection, well... I would recommend trying again through Software Update, piece by piece this time. I mean, I *would,* but for the following questions 1. What's your previous history with Software Update in Leopard? Has it run before without incident? Was that a long time ago or recently? 2. What's the Leopard installation/update history on your machine? 3. Have you ever run the program Monolingual in Leopard, or indeed, in a previous OS X that Leopard was installed over? 4. If you go to Apple MenuAbout This Mac, is the information (including build and serial number) correct? 5. What is your current version of Safari? 6. If you go to System PreferencesSoftware UpdateInstalled Updates, do you see anything that indicates that the updates that failed were already installed earlier? (Wondering if there's something going on with Software Update itself.) 7. Any other problems with downloads or installations recently? This is just stuff I'd be asking myself if it was my interesting problem. I'm not to be confused with an expert. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Thumb Drives --- interesting problem
I have several 2GB SanDisk units. One of which I an using to keep archival copies of 'Software Update' items. 2GB --- lots of space, everything going well. Quite useful to have copies of 'install packages' and 'updates'. Very handy to NOT have to download the same LARGE update just because I have several MDDs. The other day, after another 'Update' cycle, I was attempting to add the most recent file to the SanDisk. Error message --- not enough space. So, I looked over the SanDisk directory [Units have been 'cleaned' of the U3 garbage, and formatted for MAC], deleted older Combo, and non- Combo update packages to free up some space. Didn't work Available space amount doesn't reflect unused space. It SEEMS to indicate 'unused (yet) space. Space once used does NOT return to an 'available' list. Very annoying. I can, transfer everything to a HD temporarily, re-format the SanDisk, transfer things back to the SanDisk, which should leave unused space in a 'still usable' condition. Because of the 'finite' life (write cycles) of the Thumb Drives, I'm hesitant to apply this solution. Any bright ideas?? Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thumb Drives --- interesting problem
Charles Davis wrote: I have several 2GB SanDisk units. One of which I an using to keep archival copies of 'Software Update' items. 2GB --- lots of space, everything going well. Quite useful to have copies of 'install packages' and 'updates'. Very handy to NOT have to download the same LARGE update just because I have several MDDs. The other day, after another 'Update' cycle, I was attempting to add the most recent file to the SanDisk. Error message --- not enough space. So, I looked over the SanDisk directory [Units have been 'cleaned' of the U3 garbage, and formatted for MAC], deleted older Combo, and non- Combo update packages to free up some space. Didn't work Available space amount doesn't reflect unused space. It SEEMS to indicate 'unused (yet) space. Space once used does NOT return to an 'available' list. Very annoying. I can, transfer everything to a HD temporarily, re-format the SanDisk, transfer things back to the SanDisk, which should leave unused space in a 'still usable' condition. Because of the 'finite' life (write cycles) of the Thumb Drives, I'm hesitant to apply this solution. Did you try emptying the trash? I wouldn't worry about write cycles doing something like that, it's a trivial amount. It's doing things that constantly write that you have to watch out for. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thumb Drives --- interesting problem
On Feb 5, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Charles Davis wrote: I have several 2GB SanDisk units. One of which I an using to keep archival copies of 'Software Update' items. 2GB --- lots of space, everything going well. Quite useful to have copies of 'install packages' and 'updates'. Very handy to NOT have to download the same LARGE update just because I have several MDDs. The other day, after another 'Update' cycle, I was attempting to add the most recent file to the SanDisk. Error message --- not enough space. So, I looked over the SanDisk directory [Units have been 'cleaned' of the U3 garbage, and formatted for MAC], deleted older Combo, and non- Combo update packages to free up some space. Didn't work Available space amount doesn't reflect unused space. It SEEMS to indicate 'unused (yet) space. Space once used does NOT return to an 'available' list. Very annoying. I can, transfer everything to a HD temporarily, re-format the SanDisk, transfer things back to the SanDisk, which should leave unused space in a 'still usable' condition. Because of the 'finite' life (write cycles) of the Thumb Drives, I'm hesitant to apply this solution. Did you try emptying the trash? I wouldn't worry about write cycles doing something like that, it's a trivial amount. It's doing things that constantly write that you have to watch out for. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway Thank you Clark, for the obvious thing that I had been ignoring. That did it !!! Chuck --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
