Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 6, 2011, at 8:54 PM, admin wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/ USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. Sounds like the drive is ready to pitch. Clean the connections, if that doesn't help a stay in the freezer for 30 minuets may do it, I did this last night on a WD SATA 1 TB drive that wouldn't mount and now all's well with it. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 6, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 6, 2011, at 10:54 PM, admin wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re-build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. I would try DiskWarrior under both Firewire and USB 2.0 to see if it makes a difference. Firewire is generally MUCH better than USB 2.0, but certain Firewire chipsets such as those from Genesys Logic just will not work with OS X. I sure agree with you about the functionality of the Genesys chip sets. I have two of them and they some times will and some times won't mount, it seems once they do all will be ok till I disconnect one and move it to another machine and then the problem starts all over again. I should trash them but I like the enclosures . :-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Thanks for the advice. Just seems to have died. Freezing didn't work. I found an IDE drive on ebay with a good cache size for about $51. Getting harder to find IDE drives, although I guess there are PATA-SATA adapters. Seagate ST3400620A 400GB 7200 16MB IDE Hard Drive *New -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 8, 2011, at 12:15 AM, admin wrote: Yes, I am still hoping for a one lucky mount and copy. If you're only trying to salvage the data, the old school method for dead HDs is to place them in the freezer for at least several hours so that they're 100% frozen, and then attach them to an ATA bus as fast as possible, boot, and work as fast as possible. I've saved the data on a couple dead HDs by freezing them, and working fast. Dead HDs almost always have a problem with overheating, and they heat up fast, so it pays to plan ahead and have somewhere to move the data to ASAP. Once they start getting hot, they die fast. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
For the person above who said that a power surge fried your boards and drives, if you live in your own house, you might consider an all-house surge suppressor. These install on the electrical service panel where the power enters your house. I had an electrician come over a few weeks ago to wire my new garage, and I was complaining to him about spikes and surges, and he told me about these things, so I had him install one on the service entrance to my house. The cost was $150, which is well worth it considering all the expensive electronic stuff in the house that it protects. It also stops lightning strikes, taking them straight to ground. It's just a little square gadget that looks sort of like an oversize power brick, that goes between the incoming power wire to the house and the circuit-breaker panel. Once it's installed, all power surges and lightning strikes are stopped right there, before they enter the house. On top of that, I have an Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) on each of the three computers in the house, so if power goes off completely, the batteries in these UPSs keep things going until you can do a proper shutdown (they beep to warn you when the battery power is in use). It all sounds expensive, but it's only a few hundred bucks all told, and against that, just tote up the cost of replacing your fried electronics, or worse, all your priceless irreplaceable data. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 6, 2011, at 10:54 PM, admin wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/ USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. Some external Firewire/USB 2.0 cases have chipsets that are problematic with Mac OS X. Knowing the exact make and model of the enclosure; or the PID VID (from System Profiler) of the Firewire USB 2.0 bridge chipsets might lead to a firmware update that could possibly solve your issue, but the chances of this is very low. Most of the bad Firewire chipsets aren't fixable with firmware. The problematic USB 2.0 chipsets have upgrades, but the upgrades require Windows. I would try DiskWarrior under both Firewire and USB 2.0 to see if it makes a difference. Firewire is generally MUCH better than USB 2.0, but certain Firewire chipsets such as those from Genesys Logic just will not work with OS X. Likewise, there are certain USB 2.0 chipsets that have early firmware versions that are very flakey in OS X, and can sometimes be improved to achieve functionality. There may even be a firmware update for the HD itself, but these are very rare and the chances are unlikely. You may have a bad drive that's unsalvageable. If you can attach the drive to an ATA bus rather than the external enclosure you can get a S.M.A.R.T. report on the HD status using something like SMARTReporter. In my experience any drive that fails a SMART test is bad, but some drives that pass a SMART test are also bad. Bad is bad, but good isn't necessarily good. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Thanks for the suggestions. On May 7, 2011, at 2:32 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Greetings Can we assume that this configuration did work and that it has failed recently or is this something that has been added? If the drive did work and has recently failed, what has changed or been changed in your platform? Have you tried plugging the drive directly into one of the internal Disk Drive slots? Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca On May 6, 8:54 pm, admin oneluc...@mac.com wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 7, 2011, at 12:14 PM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings Can we assume that this configuration did work and that it has failed recently or is this something that has been added? If the drive did work and has recently failed, what has changed or been changed in your platform? Have you tried plugging the drive directly into one of the internal Disk Drive slots? ... or reseating and/or replacing the ATA/IDE cable from the computer to the drive. Just sounds like a drive that's at the end of its life. : ( -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Earlier this year I was hit with a power surge that did a lot of damage. Part of the damage included a fried Sonnet Tempo ata 133 card and two dead seagate drives. I bought a new tempo card and I found a seller on eBay that sells used circuit boards for hard drives for 39.99 a piece. Fortunately, the power surge only fried the circuit board and I was able to find replacement boards for both drives. Replacing the circuit boards is very easy. There are six screws that bolt them to the hard drive. The seller provides a little torx screwdriver. So the mechanically inclined part mostly requires operating a srcewdriver and not loosing the screws. I assume you know how to futz around inside your computer and swap hard drives. Once the circuit board is swapped I put the dead HD in a firewire enclosure and used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the data to a new hard drive. The involved part is matching the model number, batch number, the date, etc, and the ten digit number on the big controller chip. Once you have matches in all the categories the seller checks to see if they have a matching board. If you're lucky and have the 39.99 your problem may be solved. I don't have the sellers site available at the moment, but I could look for it if you want. Mark Murphy On May 6, 11:54 pm, admin oneluc...@mac.com wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
I think it has just gone bad unfortunately. There used to be a delay in accessing the drive that I thought was the drive being asleep. It was inside my QS2002 as second. Have tried with the Newertech Swiss Army connector, whatever they call it, and a good quality external Firewire case, with pin removed (single state). Surprisingly, perhaps, the only program I have success with in grabbing a drive that no other could was the old Norton Disk Doctor under SystemWorks. Norton stopped supporting in Panther. On May 7, 2011, at 12:14 PM, gifutiger wrote: Have you tried plugging the drive directly into one of the internal Disk Drive slots? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
I agree. One per 26 years isn't too bad ... but I didn't have a duplicate. On May 7, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Just sounds like a drive that's at the end of its life. : ( -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Mark, thanks for that info. I might try that. On May 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, smac0031 wrote: Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Il giorno 7-05-2011 5:54, admin ha scritto: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop I just had a WD 250GB drive intermittently failing... it began making a TAK sound at startup, sometimes not mounting (so no boot, Mac showing flashing folder icon), sometimes booting and working ok. When the TAK sound became more frequent, I got scared and copied everything to another drive. A subsequent check showed a damaged (and unrecoverable) partition, so yes, the drive was failing. Lucky me, I had enough time to backup. Even if your drive is failing (and it seems it is), trying several times could perhaps give you a one time lucky shot, when you can recover something (unless there's something broken in hardware). Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Funny thing... if Disk Utility can't recognize (see) the drive, no other program should. Did you check if the drive is seen in System Profiler? Have you tried Drive Genius? It seems quite powerful. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Having it connected internally is usually better for testing/recovering. When using an external case, go for FW and avoid USB (slower, less reliable) Did you try recovering it while connected internally? Cable select make any difference? Don't think so. And the only time I used Cable Select (in a G4), I got hard disk troubles, so I'd avoid it. Surprisingly, perhaps, the only program I have success with in grabbing a drive that no other could was the old Norton Disk Doctor under SystemWorks. I agree. Sometimes Norton (under OS9) did wonder. Can you still boot in OS9 to try it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Valter, thanks all for the ideas. Yes, I am still hoping for a one lucky mount and copy. On May 7, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: I had to remove the bad drive from the internal ATA chain so the computer would boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Malfunctioning ATA Drive
WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
