On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are
allowed to sell used machines with no discs. According to them as
a Apple Authorized Reseller they are able to do this within certain
rights. Of course they didn't tell me all the
On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and
magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your
version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as
you do not use illegal way, it is legal.
As long as you have the machine (For Apple or any OEM Licensed
Computer) you may download and install... You do not commiting
crime... Upload may... :)
2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com:
On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but
opposite... you must prove their guilt... belive me if you can prove
it... you can close them down, but in reality only users commited
crime... it is like being gun manufacturing or weapon wholeselling...
i admit that i am with you in thinking of weapon wholeselling but...
laws.
2009/5/12 joe
Title: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used
G4
At 6:38 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata
wrote:
Uploader putting his disc on backup
purposes for futere downloading
his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
No.
Uploading and storing a copy of software
that you
At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote:
Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the
Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD
for
please do not add what i have never said...
as i mentioned... share? what u share? share legal backuop :)
if any file you find there illegal, you warn them they erase... :)
2009/5/12 Dan dantear...@gmail.com:
At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote:
Uploader putting his disc on backup
You can whatever copy you may use for copy it...
Whatever... It is supreme or whatever court you have there... given
that decision. You may copy for your belongings... whatever they
protected them you may decode it and copy it. As long as it is
personal use there no illegality. Read your laws
On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Baha Ata wrote:
please do not add what i have never said...
Please review the thread. Someone who bought a second hand G4 that
had Mac OS X installed on it but no disks was looking for a place to
purchase the disks. You advised him to download it from
On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
one install..
And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac
OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original
purchaser and is not
Thanks anway. I am sorry that i misguide the topic another point.
Thanks everyone.
2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com:
On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
one install..
And it's already been pointed out to
At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote:
You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer.
Correct.
An *original physical disc*. Not a copy. Not something you download
from an illegal source.
You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just
for
please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning
giving the install cd to someone that has the right using that cd...
It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using...
Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when
first DVD released
DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS DEAD HORSE HAS BEEN
FLOGGED ENOUGH!
Baha Ata wrote:
distribute:
to promote, sell, and ship or deliver (an item or line of merchandise)
to individual customers, esp. in a specified region or area.
lend:
to give (money) on condition that
On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS DEAD HORSE HAS
BEEN
FLOGGED ENOUGH!
Baha Ata wrote and wrote and wrote:
This thread has run with over 70 messages, with one person accounting
for almost one-third of the messages,
On May 12, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Baha Ata wrote:
So... Do u really catch the
point?
Look, Baha, don't be snarky. I understand what you're saying. The
thing is, what you're saying is wrong.
OEM licenses belong the machines not people
Software licenses do not belong to machines.
All
it is ended. but... i cannot belive myself that i cannot explain what
i am in... i must live in there i guess to understand or describe
myself...
Iam glad to have this conversasition, and taking pleasure. I am mean
on it. Thanks.
As moderator said topic closed. We will continue if you like with
I believe that you are correct. Additionally, the OEM license alows
free upgrades for that major version and that is why when a machine is
sold, it should include the original disks.
JT
Baha Ata wrote:
Totally misleading factor. OEM licenses belong the machines not people
:) So if you got
THANK YOU!
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Fabian Fang f...@mac.com wrote:
On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS DEAD HORSE HAS
BEEN
FLOGGED ENOUGH!
Baha Ata wrote and wrote and wrote:
This thread has run with
Well I plan on making a carbon copy. However being that it is a used machine I
was hoping to completley erase it and reinstall 10.4.
From: ktilfo...@cox.net
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:38 -0500
On May 10
As a safety stopgap, you can use Carbon Copy Cloner (free) to copy
your system to a backup drive, internal or external.
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Sorry but it is not codswallop.
Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is
yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured
system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as
Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd...
I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I
think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3
2009/5/11 Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com:
Sorry but it is not codswallop.
Simple, if you have a Apple computer
Without license document or orginal cd in that machine... 10.4 is not legal.
2009/5/11 Mac G4 g4mac...@hotmail.com:
The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in the case
i need it.
From: ktilfo...@cox.net
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just
this must be useful for your spec.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html
Pre-Installed MacOS:9.2.2, X 10.2
You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
from a friend or a copy CD.
Above it, you must have license or
then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these used machines
with no discs?
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: baha...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
this must be useful for your spec.
http
it is not software piracy. As long as you have your backup cd. .That
machine has its 10.2 as orginal manufactured system. You may install
it whatever source you found. It is not needed licence as long as you
use 10.2. Rapidshare or other way of sharing networks is not illegal,
if they illegal all
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: baha...@gmail.com
You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
from a friend or a copy CD.
NO. You may NOT borrow.
The license says:
3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or
sublicense
On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
This thread is bugging me.
Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
My comment is a bit of a tangent, but still pertinent, I think.
Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay. As
At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay. As it turns
out, they were home-made copies with paper labels on
Howdy,
I don't think Baha is a native English speaker. Cut him a little
slack on the grammer. He is probably much better in English than we are
in his language.
The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing,
and then saying Baha is all wrong. Everyone says you can
:58:35 +0300
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: baha...@gmail.com
You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
from a friend or a copy CD.
NO. You may NOT borrow.
The license says:
3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute
+0300
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: baha...@gmail.com
You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
from a friend or a copy CD.
NO. You may NOT borrow.
The license says:
3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute
Million thanks. Sorry about my English or American English, it is not
mother tongue and i have never been lived in any English speaking
country. You clearly make my statement easy understand, but as you may
said some license papers writings closer to my English than yours...
:) It is hard to
. Therrault jetas...@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:07 PM
Dan wrote:
At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY
On May 11, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Dan wrote:
Slippery slope. Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding
by is NOT justification for you to speed.
I very specifically said that my observation that Apple is (or was)
not interested in enforcing their copyright is no justification for
On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as
a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about
Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and
magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your
version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as
you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement,
you have ability to
And belive me i bet on it powermax is more illegal... i do not think
they use if exist any Apple OEM license for installing Mac OS X 10.4
on that machine :) So clear out this, if someone buy a machine that
installed 10.4 but it is not licensed what he will do? :)
2009/5/12 joe
: j...@joethejuggler.com
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
his backup copy. Do you catch
well the question that I asked them was if it is illegal to sell a used Mac
without the discs.
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:09:23 +0300
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: baha...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Please phone them again and ask that whetever
Howdy,
Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
similar? I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to install. I
would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
I try to be careful where I buy, because I don't want a pirated copy.
With
Ralph Green wrote:
Howdy,
Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
similar? I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to install. I
would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
I try to be careful where I buy, because I don't want
On May 10, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Ralph Green wrote:
Howdy,
Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
similar? I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to
install. I
would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
I try to be careful
On 10-05-2009 01:07, Len Gerstel, lgers...@gmail.com, wrote:
That is a dealer that has new, old stock on hand, not Apple itself.
Many dealers probably have some around they would still like to dump,
even for 10 Euros or less. This is stock that they either have had
sitting around, or from a
On 10-05-2009 16:31, Len Gerstel, lgers...@gmail.com, wrote:
On May 10, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Ralph Green wrote:
Howdy,
Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
similar? I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to
install. I
would like to setup another
Thanks Al, I don't currently have a use for OS 9, but should one arise I will
keep this in mind.
jeff
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:08:07 -0700
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: alfred.pou...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
On May 8, 9:37 pm, Mac G4 g4mac
may purchase from - assuming the
above is true? Keep in mind I am in the States.
-Jeff
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:35:55 +0200
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: jo...@xs4all.nl
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
On 09-05-2009 04:55, Bruce Johnson, john
On 11-05-2009 00:10, Mac G4, g4mac...@hotmail.com, wrote:
Jo Hissel,
two questions.
I1) s it safe to assume that OS X 10.4 shipped as one product - meaning there
was not different versions for US/Netherlands/Japan, etc? I assume this is a
simple check box for the language one prefers
Thanks Jo,
I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there insnt that many!
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:17:00 +0200
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: jo...@xs4all.nl
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
On 11-05-2009 00:10, Mac G4, g4mac...@hotmail.com, wrote
On May 10, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there aren't that
many!
In the meantime you could download and install Ubuntu just to get this
old Mac going. Ubuntu (or some Linux flavor), will likely be
ubiquitous in the near future as
The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in the case i
need it.
From: ktilfo...@cox.net
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:49:02 -0500
On May 10, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
I
Check the LEM swap list. Tiger disks go for about $30, 10.5 disks go
for about $50. If your MDD is 1.0 MHz or better you might want to
upgrade to Leopard.
On May 10, 8:22 pm, Mac G4 g4mac...@hotmail.com wrote:
The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in the case i
need
Its a 867mhz dual with 2gig ram.
I have made a post to the LEM Swap List - no response yet.
Thanks!
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:41:49 -0700
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: dbc...@verizon.net
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Check the LEM swap list. Tiger
My question is, why does he need the disks at all?
If the issue is having a disaster backup, he's better off making a
backup of his whole hard drive. That doesn't require a copy of the OS,
it takes a backup disk drive and a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner
donationware/freeware instead.
On May 10, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in
the case i need it.
For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working
System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so
stable, it's kinda hard
MacG4 and Kris:
The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in
the case i need it.
For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working
System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so
stable, it's kinda hard to imagine a scenario where a
Steven/Bruce
I think my only options here are to see if Apple still has the original restore
discs - however its probably not 10.4 which is what is on the machine.
Bruce I believe was only commenting on the full retail 10.4 option.
I do have system restore discs for my wife's iMac, which is
On 09-05-2009 04:55, Bruce Johnson, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu, wrote:
The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
snip
You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from them.
Well Bruce, that's quite different here in The Netherlands. Two weeks ago I
just bought a
On May 9, 2009, at 6:35 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:
On 09-05-2009 04:55, Bruce Johnson, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu,
wrote:
The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
snip
You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from them.
Well Bruce, that's quite different here
If you do call Apple they should still have them (the system restore disc
that is) but they might charge you a fee.
From,
Stephen
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Mac G4 g4mac...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello All,
I am sure this is asked all the time, but since i am new to Mac world I
figured I
Yeah I dont think this comp came with 10.4 orignally, but i figured some type
of restore discs is better than none.
Any ideas on what Apple would charge?
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:08:08 -0400
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: maryland...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list
of restore discs is better than none.
Any ideas on what Apple would charge?
--
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:08:08 -0400
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: maryland...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
If you do call Apple they should still have
sweet thanks - guess I will give them a call monday.
I just picked up the G4 from macofalltrades.com for $150. I don't know why
they (or powermax.com) don't include the discs.
_
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On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
system.. license is your eprom... so it is
On May 8, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
sweet thanks - guess I will give them a call monday.
I just picked up the G4 from macofalltrades.com for $150. I don't
know why they (or powermax.com) don't include the discs.
If they're reselling computers with the OS installed they're
Bruce, a respocible computer maker will provide the system restore cds
if the customer lost them. At least its a option he can do.
On 5/8/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail
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