Re: Plz help with printing over network.
On 05/02/10 10:49 AM, A. Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Clark Martin Or since you have a PPC G5 you could put an airport card in it. That is, if it doesn't already have one. Somewhere around the time frame of G5s the Airport card became standard. System Profiler will tell you if you have one. It's probably an original Airport Express but it's best to verify it. They should be available from various sources including e-Bay. If you want to go this route I would strongly recommend the Airport card. The USB adapters have, in my experience, terrible software. It works but it's cumbersome, confusing and not very fun to work with. Apple's Airport software is far, far better to work with. Unfortunately my G5 didn't come with an airport card =(. I'll stick with the PCI cards probably. I would rather have my G5 wired than wireless. One of the computers on the network is a PC so I'll probably make that the wireless. Well I bought an AirLink 101 Wireless-n PCI adapter for the PC, BUT discovered that it uses the same chipset as on the Arkview Wireless-n PCI card. I had an Arkview card installed on my G4 (Gigabit PPC) once, but I took it out and gave it to my dad. I did however keep the install discs. So I decided to try to install the Airlink on the BW just to see what would happen. Just as I thought the Airlink can use the same drivers and utility that will make it work on a PPC!. I believe I paid ~$50 CDN for the Arkview, whereas the ³PC only² Airlink cost only $30 CDN. Once the driver and utility app was installed the card quickly picked up the Airport Extreme base and connected to it. Printer/Fax pane found the printers, installed them and now I¹m good to go. BTW the chip on either card was NOT Broadcom, but RA(?). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plz help with printing over network.
On 05/02/10 2:37 AM, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: As an aside to your current problem, I believe you can configure the Airport Extreme Base Station (AEBS) to act as a network connection. That is you use the wireless Access Point feature of the DSL modem. You then set up the AEBS to connect wirelessly to the DSL modem. The AEBS serves the attached USB printer and any computers connected via wired connection. In other words you could make the printer wireless. I'm not certain this feature is supported in the AEBS but I believe it is. The problem, I think, is that both the DSL Modem and the AEBS are providing Network Address Translation (NAT). Also known as double NAT. NAT is what allows a router (such as is part of the AEBS and DSL modem) to make a whole network of computers on the LAN side appear as a single IP address on the WAN side. The DSL modem's WAN side is connected to the Internet. The DSL modem's LAN side is connected to the BW and the AEBS's WAN side. The AEBS's LAN side is connected to all the other computers and the AEBS's print server. What you have then are the Internet and two discrete LANs which have limited access to each other. The BW is isolated on a network that can only see the Internet via the DSL modem. What you are trying to do is create a single LAN. To do this you need to get a 5 or 8 port 10/100 switch. They are pretty cheap and can be purchased at most places that sell computers and related equipment. You connect the switch to the DSL modem, each computer and the LAN side of the AEBS. You will also need to configure the AEBS to not do NAT, DHCP or wireless. Alternatively you could leave the DSL modem connected to the AEBS and put the switch between the AEBS LAN port and the computers. This avoids having to reconfigure the AEBS but it does mean you will be doing double NAT still. It will cause a slight speed penalty on Internet access and can be a configuration problem waiting to happen, especially if you don't understand it. Since I am not that network savvy I think I just realized the solution to my own problem. I'll simply make one of the computers wireless and then I don't need to worry about not having access to either printer. I'm looking at a Belkin or Airlink (both PCI). Anyone have any experience using USB wireless adapters on a Mac? Are they reliable? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plz help with printing over network.
On 2/5/10 1:09 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: Since I am not that network savvy I think I just realized the solution to my own problem. I'll simply make one of the computers wireless and then I don't need to worry about not having access to either printer. I'm looking at a Belkin or Airlink (both PCI). Anyone have any experience using USB wireless adapters on a Mac? Are they reliable? Or since you have a PPC G5 you could put an airport card in it. That is, if it doesn't already have one. Somewhere around the time frame of G5s the Airport card became standard. System Profiler will tell you if you have one. It's probably an original Airport Express but it's best to verify it. They should be available from various sources including e-Bay. If you want to go this route I would strongly recommend the Airport card. The USB adapters have, in my experience, terrible software. It works but it's cumbersome, confusing and not very fun to work with. Apple's Airport software is far, far better to work with. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plz help with printing over network.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Clark Martin Or since you have a PPC G5 you could put an airport card in it. That is, if it doesn't already have one. Somewhere around the time frame of G5s the Airport card became standard. System Profiler will tell you if you have one. It's probably an original Airport Express but it's best to verify it. They should be available from various sources including e-Bay. If you want to go this route I would strongly recommend the Airport card. The USB adapters have, in my experience, terrible software. It works but it's cumbersome, confusing and not very fun to work with. Apple's Airport software is far, far better to work with. Unfortunately my G5 didn't come with an airport card =(. I'll stick with the PCI cards probably. I would rather have my G5 wired than wireless. One of the computers on the network is a PC so I'll probably make that the wireless. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plz help with printing over network.
On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: Hi folks, My setup: Computer 1: PPC G5 running Leopard with an Epson Stylus CX4450 printer. Computer 2: BW G4 running Tiger Airport Extreme Base Station: Brother Laser printer connected to it via USB Network: I was updated by my ISP with their latest DSL modem recently. Now their version of a DSL modem is not just a modem but also a 4 port wireless router (I disabled the wireless feature). I also have an Airport Extreme base station because the previous modem I had only had 1 port. I wanted to keep using the Airport base station because I can connect our laser printer to it via USB. So I connected the Airport station to the new DSL modem/router. Everything works just fine. I have 2 other computers (aside from the G5) connected to the Airport and all 3 can print to the laser printer. My problem: Since the Airport only has 3 ports and all are being used, the BW was left out of the party. I decided to connect the BW to the DSL modem/router (it had 3 other ports available). The BW has full internet access BUT it can not print to the laser printer. I also wanted to print to the G5 which is sharing it's Epson Stylus printer. The other 2 computers connected to Airport can print to the Epson BUT again the BW can not. So, to sum it all up: Airport Base Station connected to DSL modem/router. G5 along with 2 other computers connected to Airport Base Station. BW connected to DSL modem/router. Laser printer connected to Airport via USB. Epson Stylus connected to G5 and is set to share. None of the computers are wireless. Is there a way for the BW to printer to the Airport Base Station and/or print to the G5? Thanks in advance! Make sure you have Assign IP Addresses off in the Airport. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plz help with printing over network.
On 2/4/10 5:39 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: Hi folks, My setup: Computer 1: PPC G5 running Leopard with an Epson Stylus CX4450 printer. Computer 2: BW G4 running Tiger Airport Extreme Base Station: Brother Laser printer connected to it via USB Network: I was updated by my ISP with their latest DSL modem recently. Now their version of a DSL modem is not just a modem but also a 4 port wireless router (I disabled the wireless feature). I also have an Airport Extreme base station because the previous modem I had only had 1 port. As an aside to your current problem, I believe you can configure the Airport Extreme Base Station (AEBS) to act as a network connection. That is you use the wireless Access Point feature of the DSL modem. You then set up the AEBS to connect wirelessly to the DSL modem. The AEBS serves the attached USB printer and any computers connected via wired connection. In other words you could make the printer wireless. I'm not certain this feature is supported in the AEBS but I believe it is. I wanted to keep using the Airport base station because I can connect our laser printer to it via USB. So I connected the Airport station to the new DSL modem/router. Everything works just fine. I have 2 other computers (aside from the G5) connected to the Airport and all 3 can print to the laser printer. My problem: Since the Airport only has 3 ports and all are being used, the BW was left out of the party. I decided to connect the BW to the DSL modem/router (it had 3 other ports available). The BW has full internet access BUT it can not print to the laser printer. I also wanted to print to the G5 which is sharing it's Epson Stylus printer. The other 2 computers connected to Airport can print to the Epson BUT again the BW can not. So, to sum it all up: Airport Base Station connected to DSL modem/router. G5 along with 2 other computers connected to Airport Base Station. BW connected to DSL modem/router. Laser printer connected to Airport via USB. Epson Stylus connected to G5 and is set to share. None of the computers are wireless. Is there a way for the BW to printer to the Airport Base Station and/or print to the G5? The problem, I think, is that both the DSL Modem and the AEBS are providing Network Address Translation (NAT). Also known as double NAT. NAT is what allows a router (such as is part of the AEBS and DSL modem) to make a whole network of computers on the LAN side appear as a single IP address on the WAN side. The DSL modem's WAN side is connected to the Internet. The DSL modem's LAN side is connected to the BW and the AEBS's WAN side. The AEBS's LAN side is connected to all the other computers and the AEBS's print server. What you have then are the Internet and two discrete LANs which have limited access to each other. The BW is isolated on a network that can only see the Internet via the DSL modem. What you are trying to do is create a single LAN. To do this you need to get a 5 or 8 port 10/100 switch. They are pretty cheap and can be purchased at most places that sell computers and related equipment. You connect the switch to the DSL modem, each computer and the LAN side of the AEBS. You will also need to configure the AEBS to not do NAT, DHCP or wireless. Alternatively you could leave the DSL modem connected to the AEBS and put the switch between the AEBS LAN port and the computers. This avoids having to reconfigure the AEBS but it does mean you will be doing double NAT still. It will cause a slight speed penalty on Internet access and can be a configuration problem waiting to happen, especially if you don't understand it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
