Opera 10.53
OK, my Mac: G4 Quicksilver running OS X 10.4.11 Opera prompted me that an upgrade was available so I grabbed it. Now Opera won't work I sent the Error to Apple and have been looking at Opera's site trying to find the System Requirements for this version of Opera to no avail. Several other sites discussing it have also not had the system requirements listed. Will this version work on this machine? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Opera 10.53
UPDATE http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10527779 Operating System Requirements: This product is designed to run on the following operating systems: - Mac OS X 10.5 Intel - Mac OS X 10.5 PPC - Mac OS X 10.4 Intel - Mac OS X 10.4 PPC - Mac OS X 10.3.9 Yet it automatically crashes on my machine Here is the entirety of the Error Message Date/Time: 2010-05-03 01:38:31.495 -0500 OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) Report Version: 4 Command: Opera Path:/Applications/Opera.app/Contents/MacOS/Opera Parent: WindowServer [54] Version:10.53 (8343) Build Version: 8343 Project Name: ??? Source Version: ??? PID:2760 Thread: 0 Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x Thread 0 Crashed: 0 Opera 0x02b46500 WidgetInitLibrary + 11350640 1 Opera 0x02e6656c WidgetInitLibrary + 14627548 2 Opera 0x02e413e8 WidgetInitLibrary + 14475608 3 Opera 0x02e5ba54 WidgetInitLibrary + 14583748 4 Opera 0x02474190 WidgetInitLibrary + 4198144 5 Opera 0x024781ec WidgetInitLibrary + 4214620 6 Opera 0x02478590 WidgetInitLibrary + 4215552 7 Opera 0x02473044 WidgetInitLibrary + 4193716 8 Opera 0x0271cf08 WidgetInitLibrary + 6986872 9 Opera 0x02073b80 WidgetInitLibrary + 2288 10 com.operasoftware.Opera 0x5880 0x1000 + 18560 11 com.operasoftware.Opera 0x5238 0x1000 + 16952 12 com.operasoftware.Opera 0x2bcc 0x1000 + 7116 13 com.operasoftware.Opera 0x28d0 0x1000 + 6352 Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64: srr0: 0x02b46500 srr1: 0x0200f930 vrsave: 0x cr: 0x82000284 xer: 0x0007 lr: 0x02e8fd84 ctr: 0x r0: 0x02e8fd74 r1: 0xbfffebd0 r2: 0xbfffec10 r3: 0x r4: 0x02f8ac50 r5: 0x0007 r6: 0xbfffec10 r7: 0x0010 r8: 0x0007 r9: 0x002d r10: 0x907c2db0 r11: 0x078c r12: 0x907c2c4c r13: 0x r14: 0x r15: 0x r16: 0x0306c888 r17: 0x02effc2c r18: 0x02f8fc2c r19: 0x02f8fc2c r20: 0xbfffec10 r21: 0x r22: 0x r23: 0x r24: 0x r25: 0x000f r26: 0x000c r27: 0x00355740 r28: 0x0306fc2c r29: 0xbfffec16 r30: 0x r31: 0x02e8fc2c Binary Images Description: 0x1000 - 0xdfff com.operasoftware.Opera 10.53 (8343) /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/MacOS/Opera 0xa6000 -0xe5fff libglib-2.0.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libglib-2.0.0.dylib 0xf3000 -0xf6fff libgstriff-0.10.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgstriff-0.10.0.dylib 0xf9000 -0xfbfff libgthread-2.0.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgthread-2.0.0.dylib 0x205000 - 0x23dfff libgobject-2.0.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib 0x24a000 - 0x271fff libgstbase-0.10.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgstbase-0.10.0.dylib 0x286000 - 0x28afff libgstvideo-0.10.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgstvideo-0.10.0.dylib 0x28f000 - 0x290fff libgmodule-2.0.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgmodule-2.0.0.dylib 0x293000 - 0x2a8fff libgstaudio-0.10.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgstaudio-0.10.0.dylib 0x2b4000 - 0x2befff libgstinterfaces-0.10.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgstinterfaces-0.10.0.dylib 0x2f6000 - 0x2f8fff com.apple.textencoding.unicode 2.0 /System/Library/TextEncodings/Unicode Encodings.bundle/Contents/MacOS/Unicode Encodings 0x405000 - 0x485fff libgstreamer-0.10.0.dylib /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Resources/gstreamer/libgstreamer-0.10.0.dylib 0x2008000 - 0x2f8dfff Opera /Applications/Opera.app/Contents/Frameworks/Opera.framework/Opera 0x8fe0 - 0x8fe52fff dyld 46.16/usr/lib/dyld 0x9000 - 0x901bcfff libSystem.B.dylib /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib 0x90214000 - 0x90219fff libmathCommon.A.dylib /usr/lib/system/libmathCommon.A.dylib 0x9021b000 - 0x90268fff com.apple.CoreText 1.0.4 (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText 0x90293000 - 0x90344fff ATS /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/ATS 0x90373000 - 0x9072efff com.apple.CoreGraphics 1.258.85 (???)
Re: Opera 10.53
On May 3, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Will this version work on this machine? According to this it should work, although notice it comes in both a Universal (IntelPPC) version and an Intel-Only version: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/793/ It didn't launch for me on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8. Strangely, it DID launch from the mounted .dmg, but not when it's been copied to Applications. I saw these messages in Console when I attempt to launch from Applications: 5/3/10 1:57:40 AM com.apple.launchd[206] ([0x0-0x1593592].com.operasoftware.OperaUpdate[39758]) Exited with exit code: 1 5/3/10 2:04:59 AM com.apple.launchd[206] ([0x0-0x159a599].com.operasoftware.OperaUpdate[39789]) posix_spawnp(/ Users/~/Library/Caches/Opera/2805502960/Update.app/Contents/MacOS/ Update, ...): Permission denied For me, the solution was to go to: /Users/~/Library/Caches/ and trash the Opera folder. Once I trashed this cache file, it launched normally for me. You may also have Preferences folders that could be causing problems, they'd be in: /Users/~/Library/Preferences -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Opera 10.53
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Will this version work on this machine? According to this it should work, although notice it comes in both a Universal (IntelPPC) version and an Intel-Only version: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/793/ It didn't launch for me on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8. Strangely, it DID launch from the mounted .dmg, but not when it's been copied to Applications. I saw these messages in Console when I attempt to launch from Applications: 5/3/10 1:57:40 AM com.apple.launchd[206] ([0x0-0x1593592].com.operasoftware.OperaUpdate[39758]) Exited with exit code: 1 5/3/10 2:04:59 AM com.apple.launchd[206] ([0x0-0x159a599].com.operasoftware.OperaUpdate[39789]) posix_spawnp(/Users/~/Library/Caches/Opera/2805502960/Update.app/Contents/MacOS/Update, ...): Permission denied For me, the solution was to go to: /Users/~/Library/Caches/ and trash the Opera folder. Once I trashed this cache file, it launched normally for me. You may also have Preferences folders that could be causing problems, they'd be in: /Users/~/Library/Preferences I trashed them both but it still won't launch Even from the mounted .dmg it won't launch. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Opera 10.53
Stephen Conrad wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net mailto:ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Will this version work on this machine? According to this it should work, although notice it comes in both a Universal (IntelPPC) version and an Intel-Only version: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/793/ It didn't launch for me on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8. Strangely, it DID launch from the mounted .dmg, but not when it's been copied to Applications. I saw these messages in Console when I attempt to launch from Applications: 5/3/10 1:57:40 AM com.apple.launchd[206] ([0x0-0x1593592].com.operasoftware.OperaUpdate[39758]) Exited with exit code: 1 5/3/10 2:04:59 AM com.apple.launchd[206] ([0x0-0x159a599].com.operasoftware.OperaUpdate[39789]) posix_spawnp(/Users/~/Library/Caches/Opera/2805502960/Update.app/Contents/MacOS/Update, ...): Permission denied For me, the solution was to go to: /Users/~/Library/Caches/ and trash the Opera folder. Once I trashed this cache file, it launched normally for me. You may also have Preferences folders that could be causing problems, they'd be in: /Users/~/Library/Preferences Weird. I have an early 2005 G5 Dual2.0, 4GB RAM, 2 x 32oGB Seagates, OS is System Software Overview: System Version:Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L30) Kernel Version:Darwin 9.8.0 Boot Volume:MacHD Boot Mode:Normal Computer Name:TedsG5 User Name:Ted Treen (tedtreen) Time since boot:26 minutes I use Opera as my default browser:- About Opera reports:- *About Opera Version information* Version10.53 Build8343 PlatformMac OS X System10.5.8 Browser identification Opera/9.80 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X; U; en) Presto/2.5.24 Version/10.53 Paths Preferences/Users/tedtreen/Library/Preferences/Opera Preferences/operaprefs.ini Saved session/Users/tedtreen/Library/Preferences/Opera Preferences/sessions/autopera.win Bookmarks/Users/tedtreen/Library/Preferences/Opera Preferences/bookmarks.adr Opera directory/Users/tedtreen/Library/Preferences/Opera Preferences/ Cache/Users/tedtreen/Library/Caches/Opera/cache/ Help documents/Users/tedtreen/Library/Caches/Opera/opcache/ Mail directory/Users/tedtreen/Library/Application Support/Opera/mail/ Plug-in path/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ User CSS directory/Users/tedtreen/Library/Preferences/Opera Preferences/styles/user/ Third parties -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Opera 10.53
At 1:34 AM -0500 5/3/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote: G4 Quicksilver running OS X 10.4.11 Opera prompted me that an upgrade was available so I grabbed it. Now Opera won't work won't work -- in what way? Flat tire? Stuttering engine? or did it burst into flame at the end of your driveway? Did you try removing your InputManagers and Internet Plug-ins? Did you try totally removing all the support and preference files that Opera poops around? Will this version work on this machine? OS requirement notwithstanding I've been playing with Opera... First, the archive (dmg) available from Opera's main web page [*] contains version 10.53.8339, built on April 22, even tho the archive is dated April 26. This version is NOT what they tested in the final beta; it is several revs later - IOW *untested* and days old. http://www.opera.com/ Next, the archive currently available on Opera's beta page contains version 10.53.8343, built on April 28. The archive itself is dated April 29th. http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ On my Macs, version 10.52.8339 crashes and hangs often. When it does work, it's noticeably slower than Safari. Version 10.52.8343 seems better, but in an few hours testing has already crashed multiple times. I'm currently using Flash 10,1,53,21 (aka 10.1rc2), btw. No other non-standard plug-ins and no inputmanagers. [*] I feel it's necessary to take note of the name of Opera's archives - a first warning bell, as it were. The use of underscores and Setup is telling that's a windoze thing. And the rest of Opera feels, to me, like a bad port. This is DEFINITELY *NOT* a Mac OS X native application and its poor stability proves they didn't even bother to put in the effort to do basic debugging! Ok,,, my eratta from trying to use 10.52.8343 on my 300-MHz Smurf running Tiger... - First launch took 45 seconds to display the main window. Safari: 10 secs. - Said main widow is sized improperly, stuck half-way under the dock. Safari: sized properly. - It required another 30 seconds to populate the main window. - Each time I try to select, copy, or edit the url field in the address bar, I get a SPOD for a few seconds, then the edit operation fails. No matter how many times I tried to select the whole URL, I only got portions. After letting the browser sit idle for half a minute, with the cursor at the end of the URL, I was finally able to type into the field and copy newly typed text (but not the text already there!). These problems tell me that they're not using the OS' normal text handling services - yet another sign of a bad port. - When I hit tab, to move from the address to the search field, there is a delay of about 4 seconds before the cursor moves. Safari and Firefox don't have this lag at all. - Import bookmarks from Safari. Even tho I specifically selected the correct import item, it presented a dialog pointing to Documents, not to the proper place in ~/Library. Yet another sign of a bad port. Upon selecting my Bookmarks.plist, Opera gave me a SPOD. It took five minutes for the SPOD to clear. 2723 bookmarks imported. (Firefox does the import in under a minute). Looks like Opera got my whole folder structure, but what's there is now sorted alphabetically - totally destroying the logical order I'd created in Safari. - Almost two minute of SPOD when I closed the Bookmarks tab. - heh. Every tab I close results in a SPOD for about a minute or two. - oops. It crashed when I closed the last tab. - oops. It crashed when I went to view APOD. That's just pitiful. Pages don't get much simpler than APOD. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html - oops. It crashed when I went to view the Acid3 test. - oops. It hung at 8/100 on Acid3 when I retried. - Ok. It finished Acid3, 100/100. However, the results are not pixel perfect. Safari also gets 100/100, is pixel perfect, and completes the test about 15 seconds faster. - Timing has been subjective. Let's get some real objective numbers, by running Sunspider. http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html Opera 10.52.8343:75753.4 ms Firefox 3.6.4:35172.0 ms (a recent nightly build) Safari 4.0.5: 33301.6 ms WebKit Nightly: 28363.6 ms (nightly build of 2 May). My conclusion: This is a pig browser backed by a company with a great PR machine (oh! it's so fast!). I wouldn't recommend this pile of padadodo to anyone. In short - don't waste your time. Use real browsers instead, like Safari and Firefox and iCab and ... YMMV. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group,
