Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 2, 8:49 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: G5 Jive = 3 internal drives + 2 built in drives = total 5 internal 500gb drives. :-) Jeff This scheme protects nicely against failure of individual hard drives, but, no surge protector or UPS is bullet proof against a direct or near direct lightning strike on the residence. Any electronic component inside the computer or attached to it is vulnerable. It would be better to put one or more of the internal drives into external enclosures and to connect them ONLY when actually in the backup process. And better yet is to place a copy of essential data outside the residence. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Al Poulin wrote: On Jan 2, 8:49 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: G5 Jive = 3 internal drives + 2 built in drives = total 5 internal 500gb drives. :-) Jeff This scheme protects nicely against failure of individual hard drives, but, no surge protector or UPS is bullet proof against a direct or near direct lightning strike on the residence. Any electronic component inside the computer or attached to it is vulnerable. It would be better to put one or more of the internal drives into external enclosures and to connect them ONLY when actually in the backup process. And better yet is to place a copy of essential data outside the residence. Al Poulin I remember the day when a couple of 100 MB Zip's did the trick. The off site wireless services look like they may be a choice for mass storage but I'm leery at the moment. I'd want to really test their systems before I rely on them. In one of my offices an accountant insists on using DacEasy he has an offsite backup service, I've yet to see it restore data properly, they always have lost or mishandled his files not to mention the need to reinstall all applications again (they call those programs) Maybe too many Windoze people at the helm of those companies. I'd like to see a super Time Machine in the sky. But that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 3:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff Three separate external drives? Excellent! One downside here -- I do not detect off-site storage. What if your residence catches fire? Tornado comes through? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Jan 1, 3:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Not a volume Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Not a volume Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) Not a volume I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff Three separate external drives? Excellent! One downside here -- I do not detect off-site storage. What if your residence catches fire? Tornado comes through? Al Poulin G5 Jive = 3 internal drives + 2 built in drives = total 5 internal 500gb drives. :-) Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Jan 1, 3:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Not a volume Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Not a volume Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) Not a volume I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff Three separate external drives? Excellent! One downside here -- I do not detect off-site storage. What if your residence catches fire? Tornado comes through? Al Poulin G5 Jive = 3 internal drives + 2 built in drives = total 5 internal 500gb drives. :-) Jeff Well Al ruined my day [:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Time Machine adds your changed files to its database on that drive, and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an incremental save set. It does not update the previously stored data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT produce a bootable system (clone). (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?) $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Time Machine adds your changed files to its database on that drive, and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an incremental save set. It does not update the previously stored data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT produce a bootable system (clone). (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?) $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. $400. for 32 MB Ram for my Quadra 650. That was on sale at Fry's.$49.00 for 4 GBs on my MBP. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:10 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:10 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff I too have a G5 dual 2.7 I have the Jive 5 stuff and am awaiting the dough for the Seritek 1V4 card I assume your TimeMachine is only backing up your A drive ( the top slot.)? The 2TB drives are coming down in price so I guess I'l bend over for a 10 TB 8 GB super box. However I have found I like Tiger better on the PPCs Except for watching DVDs. So I use a 250GB partition with Leopard and CCC for backups. Each day at 3:00 pm. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, John Carmonne wrote: My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff I too have a G5 dual 2.7 I have the Jive 5 stuff and am awaiting the dough for the Seritek 1V4 card I assume your TimeMachine is only backing up your A drive ( the top slot.)? The 2TB drives are coming down in price so I guess I'l bend over for a 10 TB 8 GB super box. However I have found I like Tiger better on the PPCs Except for watching DVDs. So I use a 250GB partition with Leopard and CCC for backups. Each day at 3:00 pm. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Just be careful those TB drives have low power consumption? of course you've got a 600w power supply... and yes, time machine is only on the A slot (upper). If it wasn't for screen sharing I'd go back to tiger. I bought a 1TB drive last year and all was good till I needed to wipe the hummer with zeroes.. took a long time... also if one goes down, that's a lot of info to retrieve. I guess if the price drops, I'll reconsider my options. Then again, maybe it'll be mac pro time! J -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Only have a 500 GB drive on it not much room for dual boot. I did dual boot on a 40 GB o.o -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On 1/1/10 3:29 PM, Dan of dantear...@gmail.com sent At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Time Machine adds your changed files to its database on that drive, and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an incremental save set. It does not update the previously stored data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT produce a bootable system (clone). (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?) $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. - Dan. Thanks, Dan, and thanks to Jeffrey and John for chiming in also - most helpful, thanks! $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD I remember feeling real good about *only* spending approx. $300 for a 12 Mb RAM upgrade for my IIvx :-) -Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
