Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
A more cool one... in blue and white style 2015-09-15 19:54 GMT+02:00 Fabien Bodard: > The problem is it look too heavy if i remove the eyes shine.. > > 2015-09-15 16:53 GMT+02:00 Benoît Minisini : >> Le 15/09/2015 10:45, Fabien Bodard a écrit : >>> Well i've been able to resist... this is a new version based on Benoit's >>> ones. >>> >>> I prefer the V3... with a more large smile. >>> >> >> Nicer, but still a bit scaring in the eye for my taste. Can you do >> something (like what I tried in mine)? >> >> -- >> Benoît Minisini >> >> -- >> ___ >> Gambas-user mailing list >> Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user > > > > -- > Fabien Bodard -- Fabien Bodard -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
I have followed a bit your efforts, and you are really investing a lot of time. But I have to say, meanwhile it resembles the Gimp and its logo more than a shrimp. Please, I hope you are not disappointed, it looks friendly and everything, but it's not a shrimp anymore. Regards Rolf Am 16.09.2015 09:49, schrieb Fabien Bodard: > A more cool one... in blue and white style > > 2015-09-15 19:54 GMT+02:00 Fabien Bodard: >> The problem is it look too heavy if i remove the eyes shine.. >> >> 2015-09-15 16:53 GMT+02:00 Benoît Minisini : >>> Le 15/09/2015 10:45, Fabien Bodard a écrit : Well i've been able to resist... this is a new version based on Benoit's ones. I prefer the V3... with a more large smile. >>> Nicer, but still a bit scaring in the eye for my taste. Can you do >>> something (like what I tried in mine)? >>> >>> -- >>> Benoît Minisini >>> >>> -- >>> ___ >>> Gambas-user mailing list >>> Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user >> >> >> -- >> Fabien Bodard > > > > > -- > Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! > Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools > in one place. > SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 > > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Just some thoughts on some modifications -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
nice bird On 16/09/15 20:16, Moviga Technologies wrote: > > > Just some thoughts on some modifications > > > -- > Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! > Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools > in one place.ce > SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 > > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 16/09/2015 11:17, Rolf-Werner Eilert a écrit : I have followed a bit your efforts, and you are really investing a lot of time. But I have to say, meanwhile it resembles the Gimp and its logo more than a shrimp. Please, I hope you are not disappointed, it looks friendly and everything, but it's not a shrimp anymore. Regards Rolf It reminds the Gimp logo, but it's a bit fetched (see attachment). And it's still a shrimp, it's just its head. Because the poor shrimp has not enough space to enter a 16x16 or even a 64x64 pixels icon. Regards, -- Benoît Minisini -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Ahahahaha :D -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
ROTFL! Ok, ok, as I said, it looks friendly, so what :) Regards Rolf Am 16.09.2015 15:03, schrieb Benoît Minisini: > Le 16/09/2015 11:17, Rolf-Werner Eilert a écrit : >> I have followed a bit your efforts, and you are really investing a lot >> of time. But I have to say, meanwhile it resembles the Gimp and its >> logo more than a shrimp. Please, I hope you are not disappointed, it >> looks friendly and everything, but it's not a shrimp anymore. >> >> Regards >> Rolf >> >> > > It reminds the Gimp logo, but it's a bit fetched (see attachment). > > And it's still a shrimp, it's just its head. Because the poor shrimp > has not enough space to enter a 16x16 or even a 64x64 pixels icon. > > Regards, > > > > -- > Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! > Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools > in one place. > SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 > > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Well i've been able to resist... this is a new version based on Benoit's ones. I prefer the V3... with a more large smile. 2015-09-14 22:03 GMT+02:00 Fabien Bodard: > 2015-09-14 20:43 GMT+02:00 Benoît Minisini : >> Le 14/09/2015 20:26, Fabien Bodard a écrit : >>> Le 14 sept. 2015 18:23, "Benoît Minisini" a >>> écrit : Le 14/09/2015 18:06, Benoît Minisini a écrit : > > Le 14/09/2015 18:03, Benoît Minisini a écrit : >> >> Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : >>> >>> >>> Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? >>> >>> I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, >>> and I have move the points to integer coordinates. >>> >> >> Another version... >> > > And another one. > A less frightening one. >>> I like this one. I like the moon croissant style >>> >> >> I mainly took your original icon and tried to put all control points on >> integer coordinates. > It seem perfect. And keep the funny look of the original logo. >> >> -- >> Benoît Minisini >> >> -- >> ___ >> Gambas-user mailing list >> Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user > > > > -- > Fabien Bodard -- Fabien Bodard -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
The problem is it look too heavy if i remove the eyes shine.. 2015-09-15 16:53 GMT+02:00 Benoît Minisini: > Le 15/09/2015 10:45, Fabien Bodard a écrit : >> Well i've been able to resist... this is a new version based on Benoit's >> ones. >> >> I prefer the V3... with a more large smile. >> > > Nicer, but still a bit scaring in the eye for my taste. Can you do > something (like what I tried in mine)? > > -- > Benoît Minisini > > -- > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Fabien Bodard -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 15/09/2015 10:45, Fabien Bodard a écrit : > Well i've been able to resist... this is a new version based on Benoit's ones. > > I prefer the V3... with a more large smile. > Nicer, but still a bit scaring in the eye for my taste. Can you do something (like what I tried in mine)? -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 07/09/2015 11:21, Fabien Bodard a écrit : > A try on the 16 px version... this not a final version ... just to get > something readable on small icons > Did you finish the icon? I will update the mime icons with it. -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 14/09/2015 18:03, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, and I have move the points to integer coordinates. Another version... And another one. -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 14/09/2015 16:21, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Le 07/09/2015 11:21, Fabien Bodard a écrit : A try on the 16 px version... this not a final version ... just to get something readable on small icons Did you finish the icon? I will update the mime icons with it. Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, and I have move the points to integer coordinates. -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, and I have move the points to integer coordinates. Another version... -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 14/09/2015 18:06, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Le 14/09/2015 18:03, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, and I have move the points to integer coordinates. Another version... And another one. A less frightening one. -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 14 sept. 2015 18:23, "Benoît Minisini"a écrit : > > Le 14/09/2015 18:06, Benoît Minisini a écrit : >> >> Le 14/09/2015 18:03, Benoît Minisini a écrit : >>> >>> Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, and I have move the points to integer coordinates. >>> >>> Another version... >>> >> >> And another one. >> > > A less frightening one. > I like this one. I like the moon croissant style > -- > Benoît Minisini > > -- > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user > -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le 14/09/2015 20:26, Fabien Bodard a écrit : > Le 14 sept. 2015 18:23, "Benoît Minisini"a > écrit : >> >> Le 14/09/2015 18:06, Benoît Minisini a écrit : >>> >>> Le 14/09/2015 18:03, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : > > > Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? > > I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, > and I have move the points to integer coordinates. > Another version... >>> >>> And another one. >>> >> >> A less frightening one. >> > I like this one. I like the moon croissant style > I mainly took your original icon and tried to put all control points on integer coordinates. -- Benoît Minisini -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
2015-09-14 20:43 GMT+02:00 Benoît Minisini: > Le 14/09/2015 20:26, Fabien Bodard a écrit : >> Le 14 sept. 2015 18:23, "Benoît Minisini" a >> écrit : >>> >>> Le 14/09/2015 18:06, Benoît Minisini a écrit : Le 14/09/2015 18:03, Benoît Minisini a écrit : > > Le 14/09/2015 18:00, Benoît Minisini a écrit : >> >> >> Here is my contribution. What do yoy think? >> >> I have used the blue color of the previous icon, but it can be changed, >> and I have move the points to integer coordinates. >> > > Another version... > And another one. >>> >>> A less frightening one. >>> >> I like this one. I like the moon croissant style >> > > I mainly took your original icon and tried to put all control points on > integer coordinates. It seem perfect. And keep the funny look of the original logo. > > -- > Benoît Minisini > > -- > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Fabien Bodard -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:44:06 +0200, Fabien Bodarda écrit: > 2015-09-07 10:31 GMT+02:00 Adrien Prokopowicz > : >> Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 09:12:18 +0200, Fabien Bodard >> a >> écrit: >> >>> Yesteday i have spend one hour on imaginate how can look like the >>> gambas icon in the breeze collection style. >>> >>> Tell me your opinions on it :-). >>> >> >> I like this idea ! My favorite is the 4th one, but I think it would fit >> the Breeze theme more if it was in a line-only style, like the first >> (I think there is no Breeze mimetype icon that is actually full). > > Not for mimetye ... look at the py one Oh, you're right, I didn't pay enough attention to that I guess. Forget what I said ! >> You should also look at their design guidelines on their wiki[0], it >> would >> certainly help your icons to look more fitting to Breeze. > > yes it seem i must follow typour color pannel for background... well > maybe not The background color seems okay to me, as it is from an existing Breeze mimetype. The things you should change are the height of the icon inside, to match the guides in the file (see attached screenshot), and the color of the icon, to match the light color of the folded page. >> Note they also take pull requests ! We could definitely have an official >> breeze mimetype icon in the next Plasma release. :) > ?? Their Github repository is open to pull requests, and they seem to accept most of them[0]. This means that, when we have finalized icons for gambas mimetypes, we can submit them through Github. If they are accepted, they will merge them into their master branch, wand it will make it to the next Plasma release. Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:21:00 +0200, Fabien Bodard a écrit: > A try on the 16 px version... this not a final version ... just to get > something readable on small icons It's not bad, but I can see a few improvements : - Following the Breeze guidelines, you can use the whole 16px width of the document, if the nature of the icon is not a rectangle (which is clearly the case for the Gambas head). Right now it seems his nose is broken on an invisible wall. :( - The icon is not pixel perfect (i.e. the border and path nodes are not aligned to pixels). This results in a very blurry icon when painted on a 16px frame. - There are too many details. Keep in mind the target size is 16px, so you should remove everything that isn't a pixel wide/tall. I can see the dot in the eye, and the curve that goes down at the right of the eye, which are basically useless because they are not even rendered, they only add more to the bluriness of the edges. - The icon is not transparent. There is ugly white in the eye and the mouth. Of course, that's just my advice. :) -- Adrien Prokopowicz -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991=/4140 ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
I like number 2 or perhaps Number 4 but if you don't know previously that is a prawn it's hard to recognize. Wy do not to design a logo based on the G character? Its very much easy to recognize in little pictures (if google doesn't owns all Gs in the world... of, course) :) Regards 2015-09-07 9:12 GMT+02:00 Fabien Bodard: > Yesteday i have spend one hour on imaginate how can look like the > gambas icon in the breeze collection style. > > Tell me your opinions on it :-). > > -- > Fabien Bodard > > > -- > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user > > -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:08:40 +0200, Jorge Carrióna écrit: > Wy do not to design a logo based on the G character? Its very much easy > to > recognize in little pictures (if google doesn't owns all Gs in the > world... > of, course) :) IMHO, the G character is way too generic, and does not define gambas at all. Moreover, it wouldn't fit in the Breeze theme (like they wouldn't use a "J" for a Java file). The challenge here is to make the shrimp look minimalistic enough to fit in a flat, monochromatic-style, 16x16 px icon (while also making it pixel-perfect so it doesn't look blurry). -- Adrien Prokopowicz -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
2015-09-07 10:41 GMT+02:00 Adrien Prokopowicz: > Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:08:40 +0200, Jorge Carrión a > écrit: > >> Wy do not to design a logo based on the G character? Its very much easy >> to >> recognize in little pictures (if google doesn't owns all Gs in the >> world... >> of, course) :) > > IMHO, the G character is way too generic, and does not define gambas at > all. Moreover, it wouldn't fit in the Breeze theme (like they wouldn't > use a "J" for a Java file). > > The challenge here is to make the shrimp look minimalistic enough to > fit in a flat, monochromatic-style, 16x16 px icon (while also making > it pixel-perfect so it doesn't look blurry). and the only way i find is to use the head in filled mode. The wire style is not really readable. so the clamp of Gambette and his head for the bigger icons and the head only for the mini one. To say the trust i'm not really like the breeze theme icons style. They are all so hard to reconize. I prefer really the oxygen old style in realistic. > > -- > Adrien Prokopowicz > > -- > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Fabien Bodard -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
A try on the 16 px version... this not a final version ... just to get something readable on small icons -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Yesteday i have spend one hour on imaginate how can look like the gambas icon in the breeze collection style. Tell me your opinions on it :-). -- Fabien Bodard -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 09:12:18 +0200, Fabien Bodarda écrit: > Yesteday i have spend one hour on imaginate how can look like the > gambas icon in the breeze collection style. > > Tell me your opinions on it :-). > I like this idea ! My favorite is the 4th one, but I think it would fit the Breeze theme more if it was in a line-only style, like the first (I think there is no Breeze mimetype icon that is actually full). You should also look at their design guidelines on their wiki[0], it would certainly help your icons to look more fitting to Breeze. Note they also take pull requests ! We could definitely have an official breeze mimetype icon in the next Plasma release. :) [0] https://github.com/NitruxSA/breeze-icon-theme/wiki/Icon-design-guidelines-in-Breeze -- Adrien Prokopowicz -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] This is some play around the Breeze theme
2015-09-07 10:31 GMT+02:00 Adrien Prokopowicz: > Le Mon, 07 Sep 2015 09:12:18 +0200, Fabien Bodard a > écrit: > >> Yesteday i have spend one hour on imaginate how can look like the >> gambas icon in the breeze collection style. >> >> Tell me your opinions on it :-). >> > > I like this idea ! My favorite is the 4th one, but I think it would fit > the Breeze theme more if it was in a line-only style, like the first > (I think there is no Breeze mimetype icon that is actually full). Not for mimetye ... look at the py one > You should also look at their design guidelines on their wiki[0], it would > certainly help your icons to look more fitting to Breeze. yes it seem i must follow typour color pannel for background... well maybe not > Note they also take pull requests ! We could definitely have an official > breeze mimetype icon in the next Plasma release. :) ?? > > [0] > https://github.com/NitruxSA/breeze-icon-theme/wiki/Icon-design-guidelines-in-Breeze > > -- > Adrien Prokopowicz > > -- > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Fabien Bodard -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user