It would seem to me that the same problem exists whether the game is online
or not. Not enough blind customers to make it worth the developer's time
and effort. They would still ask, Where's my profit in doing this extra
work? Would it be worth the expense to sell 1,000 games after modifying
Hip - Hop is my music of choice, I guess if you haven't seen or felt the
energy of a rap show you couldn't see what I feel; it's a culture that began
in the south Bronx in the 1970's and has maintained to be the number 1
growing music category as far as Gross Sales for the last 10 years, so I
That is the solution.. and RR is commended for that..
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Or you could do what Che did for
i wonder how many atari and arcade games have been made accessible for
the blind can someone give me a list of all the atari and arcade games
that have been made accessible i wonder if someone will make e.t. for
the atari accessible and frogger for the atari accessible and donkey
kong for the
Cosmic Arc? I have that game.
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:25 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] arcade games
Hi Shaun,
I'm sorry that you don't think that the six months of hard work that I put into
Mach 1 tts and the experience from the original Mach 1 counts as any big thing
for you.
Personally Mach 1 tts with a steering wheel is the closest thing to actually
driving for me since I had to quit
What really counts is whether the music fits the game, as in the case of an
example I used in a previous post. Here's another one: Would you want to
be listening to Beethoven's fifth symphony as the mood music for a fast
paced first person shooter game like Aliens in the Outback? Whether you
Hi Jim,
Have you tried using the stearing wheel with the tops speed 2? What is
the difference between mach 1 and the top speed when using the stearing
wheel?
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Sent: Sunday, August 16,
Hi Jim,
I thinkt he only way to really know just how difficult it is to put together
a game is being a developer or co-developer of the title. Unfortunately,
there is no linearly increasing equation for the amount of hours you put in
to a title and the net worth of the game as seen by the
Yes, mach 1 was also my first audio game, and I couldn't imagine that
there could exist something better, although I was always wanting a fighting
game for the blind people and something similar. Then some of you might
remember, I was often asking on the freedom chat if there is any other
Hi all. I am just wondering. How accessible is the on line game second life for
blind people? I am using jaws 7.0 and windows xp. I am just wondering how
accessible this game is for blind people. from Mich Verrier.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] arcade games atari games
Cosmic Arc? I have that game.
Hi Milos,
I would say that the main difference between Top Speed 2 and Mach 1 tts is the
perspective. Top Speed 2 is like from above and behind your car and Mach 1 tts
is in the seat looking out through the windshield. Top Speed 2 has allot more
features like on line racing, multiple cars
Hi Munawar,
Thank you very much. Um PCS Games had a dos game named Cops and Robbers, but
it was much more difficult to make a sound based smooth live action game in
dos. But yes, I put the first version of Mach 1 up on my site in February 2001.
It sure would be very nice if we could just
Hi Thomas,
Ok then. why not send them mass emails until they get sick of us and take them
to court over it and sue them. If we are an insect that can be swatted out of
the way, then lets make ourselves look big, huge, gigantic! lets make a program
that sends them emails and does automated
Agreed. I too, listen to some rap. actually, I listen to almost any type of
music depending on my mood. However, rap would not fit for certain types of
games. sure, there are games in the mainstream who use it. But it fits in
with the feel of the game. music is there to create ambiance, it
Hi,
ok here's an idea.
first rip the audio/sounds from mainstream games. and then make an audio game
using the mainstream comany's sounds. and then don't selol the game, make it
free but keep the source code. then when the mainstream companies come round
with their cease and desist letter.
That would be rude. Plus, our messages would be ignored.
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Hi Thomas,
Ok
second life is not usable yet
On 16 Aug 2009, at 18:07, Charles Rivard wrote:
If you're curious about how accessible any game is, the best way to
find out is to give it a try. Then, if you have problems that might
be solved by other gamers with more experience with that particular
game,
The fact remains that you'll be using their sounds illegally, their
characters and plot lines illegally, as well as infringing on anything
else they can possibly have copyrighted if you've done a credible job
at immitating the original. I know just enough about programming and
more than enough
Hi Josh,
The suing part requires money not many of us can dish out. As for blackmail,
well, they have advanced blocking features because I'm sure they deal with
that kind of stuff every day. It's easy to ignore spam mail--just press your
delete button. What are you going to tell them, make it
There's a program called TextSL that is a text interface for SL. I (Stanley
Rae) use it.
http://textsl.org/
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Not sure how to put this in. I have a trigger to play a sound off the text
'You slash * with your sword.' and in the editor, I got the following:
wait 0.1;#play sword.wav
and now I get a bunch of 'wait 0.1' parsing in my output window in battle...
Do I maybe need a number sign before the wait
yep, you need to do #wait instead of wait by it self.
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:30 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] vipmud-the wait command?
Not sure how to put this in. I have a
You'd think I'd have learned by now...
Thanks a bunch.
No one ever kicked ass by saying I can't.
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Man.
not meaning to dis anyone.
let me rephrase my origional mail.
I meant major tech advancements.
and games in that area.
when I meant games I meant the big guys.
like shades of doom, stfc, and so on.
I also ment other advances in what we are doing.
In the sighted world as is in this one smaller
I have a better idea. Check out www.atariace.com. Granted it can sometimes
be touch and go whether they'll have the game you want but keep checking
back. I've also never gotten a bad product from them.
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good idea, except I don't think we have that muscle.
as indeviduals we are not much.
as a group, well I don't know.
I'd really like to do this drastic ting.
However I really don't want the rest here to suffer, the net being cut off,
chriminal records, etc.
Pluss even if we were able to do this,
As I said, it would just seem to confirm the concept some people already
have of us, that blind people are spoiled brats who demand anything. As much
as I hate to say it, accessibility in mainstream games is probably never
going to happen.
You have acquired the skill of Weaponry Theremin.
Your
that may work.
may mind you.
the fish may not bite the hook we are quite small.
ANd if they do, there is all likelyhood we will be torn to bits.
Yes it could work, only could mind you.
but we would still need muscle to do it.
maybe not as much as the previous option maybe we could put this as a 2
well those partitions don't always work.
in fact some reguard partitiononline as spam.
I do fill it out if it suits me but we rarely hit it off.
yeah josh you have the determination to make something work.
but it won't.
we don't have the firepower or the defence.
At 04:37 a.m. 17/08/2009, you
Hate to burst your bubble, but even if you could get someone to respond to
that method, all that would accomplish is giving blind people the sort of
reputation we don't want. We already have said unwanted reputation thanks to
people who feel that blindness elevates us to the status of royalty.
I should also add here, that for the outsider that doesn't see all the work,
etc it sometimes feels like loads more time has gone passed without a release.
sometimes thats true but more often its probably not.
everyone has their lives, and we forget things.
I also do this.
At 02:29 a.m.
good point.
Another way we could do this was approach comapanies and make accessible front
ends to their stuff.
ok so its probably not going to be cost effective and so we do it for free at
first and wait.
we also need some media recognition and this means doing something big.
taking in mind
Well that's the point. Almost all these ideas are good in theory, but that's
not the same thing. In practice it's less successful. Remember, it all comes
down to money.
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I think you mean Petition, not Partitian.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:59 PM
Hi Josh,
Sigh...Believe it or not we can't get everything we want simply by
making demands, throwing adult temper tantrums, and acting like spoiled
children. If we did that I can assure you that is exactly how they would
view our immature behavior regarding this issue.
First, of all you are
Hello,
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I need to get ahold of Thomas Ward ASAP. I
believe you're reading this discussion list right now, Thomas. If you are,
could you please give me a call back (check the email I sent an hour or two
ago). Thanks Thomas!
Matthew Peters
GameSpot
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Not only that, but as I told him in another message it'll give the entire
blind community, gaming or otherwise, a reputation we definitely don't want,
and which we already have in some people's minds just because of one blind
person they met on the street. I know a girl like that, who seems to
Hey,
Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a
nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware
which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make
accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than
Again, that would probably cost more money than most blind folks are likely
to have. Besides, you'd have to get the source code or whatever for the
console in order to program it. And most developers aren't going to give
that out, unless of cousr you're willing to shell out thousands of dollars
Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to visit mainstream
game company headquarters and have their dogs poop on the floor.
9. Kidnap the children of mainstream game company executives and hold them
ransom until their games are
awesome, lmao.
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:25 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
10.
lol!
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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:25 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
10. Organize all
Haha...
Wow..
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game
Phil, I'm gonna put this on my blog with your name before it. lol
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hi,
yeah that's true. and of course I'm just putting out ideas here. I don't have
the resources to act and even if I did have a lot of money I would donate to
open source projects like NVDA loadstone gps and Ubuntu Linux and grml Linux.
maybe someday when the economy changes and money goes the
haha, good effort!
If the mainstream gaming industry is anything like what us musos have
to put up with though, most executives have probably got a dusty old
SNES somewhere at home and it's their kids who are the real gamers.
Now, before you think it, I'd never sanction cruelty to children.
Short
Hi,
yep as I said before just throwing around ideas. I personally would rather
spend my money on uhm, on uhm uh uh uhm, oh yeah that's what I was gunna say
uhm, uhm uhm, oh yeah right spend my money on a certification in visual basic
or something like that.
Josh
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Oh my Phil the top 10 ways is funny yet serious!
Oh you know what? I got an idea! Why not write to colleges and universities
around the world. tell them this, if you have any students studying computer
programming, have the students make audio games for blind people while in
college.
Josh
Hate to tell you this Josh, but that was Audio Game Maker. And that was
hardly a success. Students are going to make audio games but they'll only be
doing it because it's part of the curriculum. Once it's done they'll blow it
off. That's what happened with Audio Game Maker...and we all know how
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Hi all,
The other approach that we could try is using suitable bridging technology.
The vOICe is a visual prosthesis that can in theory give you vision via
sound. I have used it to view images and animations so it could work for
games. The Cobra screen reader has OCR capabilities. I am not sure
Phil,
Are you a mind reader? I was thinking about option 4 in your list. Options 5
and 6 are doable theoretically.
Pranav
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Josh,
That is spamming and illegal. The way to get attention is probably by a mass
media campaign.
|One thing that puzzles me is that large blindness organizations like the
AFB, ACB and the NFB have not made much of a noise about game accessibility.
They may have better clout then a bunch of
Hi,
Some steps have been taken by using a visual prosthesis called the vOICe at
http://www.seeingwithsound.com
Pranav
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:30 PM
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What noone here seems to be considering is to contact the developers. not
the companies, but the lead developers for different gaming projects. here's
an example. How many of you have tried to contact Mortal Kombat's creator Ed
Boon? I'd take a guess that not many have. There's no excuse not
I'm just thinking about this as I type, so here goes, for what it's worth:
What we need, if it would make a difference to the major game manufacturers,
is credence. Letters to these companies from current and or past developers
of games specifically for the blind who can show, by backing up
Hi Josh,
What you just proposed has many legal problems. The thing you are
missing is copyright laws pretty much dictate what a developer can and
can't do regarding someone else's software ideas. That includes games,
and what you just suggested flies in the face of most copyright laws
world
hmmm thats probably possible except the licences to do all that cost aparently.
not to mention any games if selected by ms for xbox become property of ms or
something like that.
At 10:06 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote:
Hey,
Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a
phill again, how much time do you have buddy.
every debate we have on here you always are able to shell enough time for
another list of funny things.
At 10:25 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote:
Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to
hmm thats probably not such a bad idea.
the experemental games are made in such a place.
in fact every year I look foreward to the time they release games.
I forgot when this is but unless I am very much mistaken we have not had this
year's releases.
At 11:18 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote:
Oh my
thats a good point and one missed on.
ofcause you need to find who the lead dev of a game is but yeah get at the
source and maybe you can get an answer.
even if you don't get a responce if enough do it, there may be enough interest.
At 12:23 p.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote:
What noone here seems to be
hmm pranav.
thats a point.
However its really not on their major to do list.
you think for a moment.
gaming is minor, roads, buildings and every things we do eg eating, cooking
cleaning, etc are more important than games.
web site accessibility is another media type thing.
everyone does it, now
I never had much success with it but then never understood it really.
At 12:27 p.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote:
Hi all,
The other approach that we could try is using suitable bridging technology.
The vOICe is a visual prosthesis that can in theory give you vision via
sound. I have used it to view
option 2 is also doable, when we can we should always try to donate to
worthwhile courses not just games.
At 12:27 p.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote:
Phil,
Are you a mind reader? I was thinking about option 4 in your list. Options 5
and 6 are doable theoretically.
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You forgot some of these...
1. Kidnap Tinker Bell and rub her magic dust all over the mainstream game
companies toilets so that none of the employees can use the bathroom.
2. Wish upon a star, make a birthday wish while blowing out candles, knock
three times on mahogany, rub oil lamps,
Hi Josh,
Sigh...Not really. Accessibility is something that is in the game when
it is released or it is not. You can't just bolt on a piece of software
that will magically make the game accessible to you.
As far as creating accessible games for the XBox 360 it is possible. The
XNA Framework
good idea.
um but how many do we have?
the major devs are
or rather companies are gma, pcs, usa, dracoent, lworks, bpc.
there are minor devs, kitchensinc, and maybe those at audiogames.net.
ma-dy, and maybe jayson at entombed, jeanluc on soundrts, maybe a couple
others, the guy that did night of
actually tom I can answer the question of tools, you need to get the full
version of xna studio, which means I think anyway a full visual studio pro
licence which costs a bit, below 1000 but like 300-600 or so.
but xact then is the major issue and the licence.
hmmm but that may be doable if we
Hi,
Bryan said:
hat needs to happen is some blind electronics and computer nerd needs to
design a gaming console specifically for us, a console so innovative
that it captures the attention of the media. It might prove our point to
mainstream devs and it might not.
My responce:
Yes, and this
Hi Jim,
Unfortunately, i don't think anyone realizes how much hard work goes
into any game except another game developer. For some people they act as
though we just wave a magic wand and the game should appear bug free and
ready to play. If it makes you feel any better not even my wife
Not sure if any of ya got this issue. I'm running windows xp pro, and every
so often, vipmud would pop up an windows error message and ask me to send
microsoft error report and things like that- before the mud shuts down and I
lose any unsaved trigger.
Any idea how to fix that anyone?
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Hi,
Like I have said before the style of music being used should relate to
the game. Yes, if we are talking a game like GTA I could see wrap music
in the game. However, I can think of many genres of games such as
fantasy RPG games, science fiction games, etc where wrap would be
totally
Hi Shaun,
That took all of five minutes plus another two to spell check it.
I am working hard on getting the update to the Sara game done while the HP
movie is still in the theaters.
Phil
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Hi Michael,
Very very few actually. There is Packman Talks by PCS Games which is a
very good accessible remake of Packman. DynaMan by Draconis
Entertainment is kind of like across between Packman and Berserk.
Another game by Draconis Entertainment, Aliens in the Outback, is like a
Space
well I can help here.
the os of choice would have to be a linux based os.
its free opensource and is used everywhere mostly.
soleris is another option.
dos although not free as such is in the public domain, at least 7 is.
tom you were thinking about
developing a linux distro.
Now if you had to
Hi Che,
Good point. Although, I don't think the issue with plot lines is just
limited to games. Even big well known series like Star Wars, Harry
Potter, or Star Trek are beginning to suffer from over use and redundancy.
Back in the 80's and 90's I was a huge Star Trek fan. i collected action
Now, those last two, I! Really! like! He he he he he!
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11. Blindfold all executives of mainstream game companies and let them play
the games their companies produce, and only! those! games!
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