Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
The unfortunate truth is, that I doubt that mainstream games will ever support accessibilty to blind gamers. There is simply no money to be made here. The number of blind people who would buy such games is way too small to justify the effort for them. Video games are developed and played for the most part, by sighted people, that is what they work on. Even if every one of us would sign to buy every new release out there it would still not be profitable for them in ages. It is a lot less work and stuff to make games accesible for people who are deaf as all it takes is subtitling the games in the dialogues, so that is being done in most mainstream games already. To make us able to fully enjoy the game you'd basically have to rewrite it. So even if some dedicated blind games developer would start to convert such a game, the licensing would be tremendous amounts of money to be paid to the original developer. chrissy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Frankly the public does not care if a blind person is able to play video games, so the media interest would be non existent. I think you'd get more media attention if you partioned to car developers complaining about not being able to drive then you do if you complain about video game accesibility. I hate that fact as much as anyone, as I had played games from the days of old nintendo nes when I still had sight. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:07 PM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility good point. Another way we could do this was approach comapanies and make accessible front ends to their stuff. ok so its probably not going to be cost effective and so we do it for free at first and wait. we also need some media recognition and this means doing something big. taking in mind that media can both damage and help as well as hinder though we would have to be carefull. ofcause its hit and miss. and time and other things, hmph but I think its feesable. in theory at least. At 04:40 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Josh, The suing part requires money not many of us can dish out. As for blackmail, well, they have advanced blocking features because I'm sure they deal with that kind of stuff every day. It's easy to ignore spam mail--just press your delete button. What are you going to tell them, make it accessible or else? They'll just laugh in your face we're a multi billion dollar company, a petty $5,000 lawsuit won't dent us. Good bye. Throwing tantrums gets you nowhere in today's times. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Thomas, Ok then. why not send them mass emails until they get sick of us and take them to court over it and sue them. If we are an insect that can be swatted out of the way, then lets make ourselves look big, huge, gigantic! lets make a program that sends them emails and does automated calling to the companies once per week or once per month which reminds them we will not go away and we will not stand for their rudeness! Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
If I don't own a guide dog, can I go and poop on their floors instead? LMAO chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Tristan B Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:55 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Haha... Wow.. Tristan B TrekGames.net Cosmos - TrekGames.net, port 1234. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility lol! - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:25 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility 10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to visit mainstream game company headquarters and have their dogs poop on the floor. 9. Kidnap the children of mainstream game company executives and hold them ransom until their games are Accessible. 8. Picket mainstream game company headquarters with Braille signs saying that they are discriminating to the blind. 7. Have every blind person in the world learn computer programming and require them to debug a line of game code before they can read an audio book. 6. Start a charity, National Association of Accessible Games, and get people to donate millions of dollars, then hire sighted programmers to develop accessible games. 5. Get all colleges to add a class of Accessible game development to all computer programming courses. 4. Get the NFB and ACB to protest that there are not enough mainstream game accessibility. 3. Petition Stevie Wonder to be the spokesperson for mainstream game accessibility. 2. Get all blind people to send a dollar to Thomas Ward so he can finish his accessible game engine. And the top way to get mainstream game accessibility, Visit the homes of mainstream game company executives and poke their eyes out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] the simpsons
does anyone know if they are taking off the simpsons off the air i ask because i had heard that from a friend if they do it will suck because that is a good show -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] OT Was: the simpsons
hi, this message is OT - off-topic and shouldn'tbe be posted on the list, though if you need something urgently not gameing related add OT: to your message subject. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [Audyssey] the simpsons does anyone know if they are taking off the simpsons off the air i ask because i had heard that from a friend if they do it will suck because that is a good show -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Plots in games was: Re: The real Game Circle
Personally I think George Lucas did the same thing with Indianna Jones in the fourth movie. I personally felt it wasn't that good. Even the Castlevania series is probably getting to that point by now, although I did like Aria of Sorrow. You have acquired the skill of Weaponry Theremin. Your current level of mastery is 10 Apprentice. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Plots in games was: Re: The real Game Circle Hi Che, Good point. Although, I don't think the issue with plot lines is just limited to games. Even big well known series like Star Wars, Harry Potter, or Star Trek are beginning to suffer from over use and redundancy. Back in the 80's and 90's I was a huge Star Trek fan. i collected action figures, games, watched the shows, movies, read the books, etc. Eventually, it came to the point where I just got kind of sick of it. After a while it seamed like the same old thing just different day. After Data was killed in Star Trek Nemesis, Voyager came home in the last show, and they ended DS9 I felt like Star Trek was dead, and I admit thinking something along the lines of its about time they ended it. As many people know Paramount has just released a new Star Trek movie, and I didn't think the movie was that good. I honestly felt like they were reaching for something to try and breath life into a series that is losing interest, that is fading out of fassion, and giving it one last chanse to recapture the former glory. Unfortunately, they have taken the series about as far as they can go, and people, myself included, are moving on to new interests. For me they have just burned everyone out on it by producing too many books, movies, and shows. Its like, been there done that. With the games like Tomb Raider same goes. It was popular when it was new, it was heavily marketed, and it became hugely successful. Instead of stopping there when it was successful Edos over marketed it by rapidly releasing several games one after another, there were books and comics released, a couple of movies were made, and then people got tired of it and moved on. Clearly Edos is still trying to regain the former glory of Tomb Raider's early success, but you can only hold onto that kind of success for a while before letting go and moving on to something else. Che wrote: I would opine that the problem with Tomb Raider's lack of sales is the redundant game play. Folks don't want to shell out $50 to play something they've already done over and over, no matter how much it advances what is usually a fairly thin plot line. Other than Homeworld, there have been very few games with a really intriguing plot line in my opinion released out there since the infocom games of the eighties. This doesn't include games based on existing story lines, such as Star Wars or Harry Potter of course, those guys have the unique ability to build on what has come before, but to create an original idea from scratch and have it be compelling is a very tricky business. Overall though, the plot doesn't touch game play in importance to most players. You could have the best plot line since The Godfather, and if the game play wasn't fun, it wouldn't matter one bit. Later che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] there was one game this year
Hi Milos, Wow, that's pretty cool that Mach 1 was the first audio game that you played. Thank you very much for mentioning it. May I ask, do you like Mach 1 tts better than the original Mach 1? Thanks. BFN Jim No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] there was one game this year
Hi Thomas, While working on Mach 1 tts I kept asking my home health care aid how she liked this sound or how it did this or that and showing her the changes and things that she suggested. Then one day out of the blue she said that she had no idea how much time and work goes into creating a game. She, her husband and boys all play all of the new games and like you said they just buy the game and it is there and all working and fun to play, without any thought of what goes into making them. I guess that is the way that it should be though. It was different for me though. I saw my first video game and wanted to know how it worked and wanted to make them myself. I had a small inkling of what it took from the half semester COBOL programming course that I took at Mentor High. But I have always been more into game programming rather than business programming, but did get hooked on programming even from the COBOL course. BFN Jim Remember: COBOL can be cured if detected early. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] OT Was: the simpsons
No. Regardless. OT stuff shouldn't even be posted. Check the guidelines. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of peter Mahach Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:30 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] OT Was: the simpsons hi, this message is OT - off-topic and shouldn'tbe be posted on the list, though if you need something urgently not gameing related add OT: to your message subject. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [Audyssey] the simpsons does anyone know if they are taking off the simpsons off the air i ask because i had heard that from a friend if they do it will suck because that is a good show -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] experimental games from ag was: Re: mainstream game accessibility
I hate to tell you this as I liked these my self but the project has been discontinued due to some changes and the last thing made is something like rockband, but that's not quite related and I'm not really into that type of gaming. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility hmm thats probably not such a bad idea. the experemental games are made in such a place. in fact every year I look foreward to the time they release games. I forgot when this is but unless I am very much mistaken we have not had this year's releases. At 11:18 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Oh my Phil the top 10 ways is funny yet serious! Oh you know what? I got an idea! Why not write to colleges and universities around the world. tell them this, if you have any students studying computer programming, have the students make audio games for blind people while in college. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The real Game Circle
Hey that Kool whatever floats your boat.. Some of my friends think I'm crazy because I like the Big Bands of yesterday, Duke Ellington and such; the point is people like to hear what they want to, when playing games with my son on the 360 we groove to rap because it get's us hype.. I like the choice in RR with win amp; I just think the whole Blind, experience has us as people living in the past in many cases, including our Audio Games and would like to live for today not yesterday.. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The real Game Circle Hi, Like I have said before the style of music being used should relate to the game. Yes, if we are talking a game like GTA I could see wrap music in the game. However, I can think of many genres of games such as fantasy RPG games, science fiction games, etc where wrap would be totally inappropriate. Now, on a more personal level weather I have seen a wrap show or not makes no difference about my personal opinion about wrap and hip-hop. I'll freely state I can't get into it, and I simply don't like the music. I've heard enough of it at parties, college get togethers, etc to know I don't very much care for it. For me I like 70's and 80's rock groups like Pat Benatar, Bryan Adams, Guns N' Roses, Heart, Scandal, and various other artists from that era in rock history. I've been told many times by many people that I am an old fart, been told I live in a time warp, and frankly I don't care. In the immortal words of Bob Seigar, I love that old time rock and roll. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the simpsons
What does this have to do with gaming? My inbox is filled enough and hate to waste time with stuff which is not relevant to the list. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:13 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] the simpsons does anyone know if they are taking off the simpsons off the air i ask because i had heard that from a friend if they do it will suck because that is a good show -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] there was one game this year
Hi Jim, honestly I didn't try it yet but I am planning to. I hope that the car sounds are more realistic as I didn't like it much in the previous versions I played. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Milos Przic Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] there was one game this year Hi Milos, Wow, that's pretty cool that Mach 1 was the first audio game that you played. Thank you very much for mentioning it. May I ask, do you like Mach 1 tts better than the original Mach 1? Thanks. BFN Jim No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4075 (20090514) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Plots in games
Yeah, I hear ya. I was never that much into Star Trek myself. I was 6 years old when Star Wars hit the theaters and blew my mind, then 9 or so when Empire Strikes Back came out and blew it again. It was all downhill from there though. George Lucas said he wrote those movies for 8 year olds, and looking back, I'm really glad I was the age I was when those movies came out. It was fun to watch the new trilogy as an adult, but its hard to capture the imagination of a grown up the way you can a wide eyed kid. I mentioned Homeworld as one of the few games to come out with an original plot line that was compelling, but more recently, Bioshock has come out with a really interesting setup, especially for those that have read Atlas Shrugged, it takes those themes to the next level. And Half Life 2 does a really good job of immersing the player in an environment run by a big brother like entity as well. Later, Che - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Plots in games was: Re: The real Game Circle Hi Che, Good point. Although, I don't think the issue with plot lines is just limited to games. Even big well known series like Star Wars, Harry Potter, or Star Trek are beginning to suffer from over use and redundancy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Hehehe, well Charles I'm afraid if we gave them our info, i.e. how much time it took to put in the talking menu system, get talking feedback from the game etc. then show them our pitiful income from the game, they would snicker under their breath as they fed our report into the shredder. The money I made off Rail Racer wouldn't pay Electronic Arts electric bill for a month I'm sure. The bottom line is, if we want great games to play, we're just gonna have to either make them ourselves or support the folks making them by buying their games, letting others know about them, and stop distributing pirated copies of the games out there. We're very fortunate to have the developers we have out there, willing to do this for the love of it, and not the profit. Because if blind gaming was all about money, there wouldn't be any blind games out there at all. Later, Che - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility I'm just thinking about this as I type, so here goes, for what it's worth: What we need, if it would make a difference to the major game manufacturers, is credence. Letters to these companies from current and or past developers of games specifically for the blind who can show, by backing up their claims with records if necessary if they are willing to include them in the letters, letting these companies know what is necessary to make games accessible to the blind gamer. We also need people to verify the size of the potential additional customer base expansion, and maybe these game companies will consider working on game modifications. These companies also need to know how important and how much fun and enjoyment some of the currently blind gamers got from their products when they could still see enough to play the games. And, thoughts from blind gamers who have never played these games due to a lack of eyesight, but who would like to, voiced in a clear and adult manner, with good grammar, punctuation, and spelling, showing the game manufacturers that we are not uneducated and that we know what we're talking about, wouldn't hurt, either. --- Shepherds are the best beasts. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Josh, Sigh...Believe it or not we can't get everything we want simply by making demands, throwing adult temper tantrums, and acting like spoiled children. If we did that I can assure you that is exactly how they would view our immature behavior regarding this issue. First, of all you are completely ignoring the law. Are you aware that carrying out a campaign of bombarding their e-mails, phones, mail, etc can get you charged with harassment? If you make threats or make any kind of menacing comments to them you can be charged with menacing? Are you aware if you write a program with the intent to e-mail them daily, weekly, etc without there consent that is illegal? My point is if we are to make any progress with these companies at all we have to above all else act like responsible adults. Acting like a spoiled child who lost his game privileges and is tossing a temper tantrum isn't going to make them respect us any. If we want them to respect us we have to first respect them. Respect is earned not taken by force. If we don't act responcibly we could find ourselves in court being charged with something. As far as taking them to court I don't think you have any idea how much that would cost. Most of these companies have the financial fortitude to higher the best legal services in the country. A case like this could go as far as the supreme court because in a way it is a type of civil rights case. Cases involving disabilities or racial issues can drag out years in the courts both sides winning and losing battles until it reaches a level where someone can make a ruling that is binding. That costs more money than any of us realistically have. Josh wrote: Hi Thomas, Ok then. why not send them mass emails until they get sick of us and take them to court over it and sue them. If we are an insect that can be swatted out of the way, then lets make ourselves look big, huge, gigantic! lets make a program that sends them emails and does automated calling to the companies once per week or once per month which reminds them we will not go away and we will not stand for their rudeness! Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Chrissy, I think you're right on here. Besides which I don't believe every single game technically could be made accessible. Can you imagine the can of worms that would open if suddenly some games were accessible but others weren't? Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of ChB Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:21 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility The unfortunate truth is, that I doubt that mainstream games will ever support accessibilty to blind gamers. There is simply no money to be made here. The number of blind people who would buy such games is way too small to justify the effort for them. Video games are developed and played for the most part, by sighted people, that is what they work on. Even if every one of us would sign to buy every new release out there it would still not be profitable for them in ages. It is a lot less work and stuff to make games accesible for people who are deaf as all it takes is subtitling the games in the dialogues, so that is being done in most mainstream games already. To make us able to fully enjoy the game you'd basically have to rewrite it. So even if some dedicated blind games developer would start to convert such a game, the licensing would be tremendous amounts of money to be paid to the original developer. chrissy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Exactly. That's probably also why they haven't taken a stand in the face of Myspace's vague we're working on it promises. Much more important things to deal with. You have acquired the skill of Weaponry Theremin. Your current level of mastery is 10 Apprentice. - Original Message - From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility I can't speak to all three organizations, but I would guess the reason a stand isn't taken is because there are many bigger issues out there. Nearly three fourths of blind people in the US are unemployed. Only twelve percent are learning to read Braille. Funding for rehabilitation centers is being cut all over. In the face of that, game accessibility just doesn't seem that critical. Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Josh, That is spamming and illegal. The way to get attention is probably by a mass media campaign. |One thing that puzzles me is that large blindness organizations like the AFB, ACB and the NFB have not made much of a noise about game accessibility. They may have better clout then a bunch of users. Mind you, I am in India so I could be wrong about these organizations. Pranav --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
I can't speak to all three organizations, but I would guess the reason a stand isn't taken is because there are many bigger issues out there. Nearly three fourths of blind people in the US are unemployed. Only twelve percent are learning to read Braille. Funding for rehabilitation centers is being cut all over. In the face of that, game accessibility just doesn't seem that critical. Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Josh, That is spamming and illegal. The way to get attention is probably by a mass media campaign. |One thing that puzzles me is that large blindness organizations like the AFB, ACB and the NFB have not made much of a noise about game accessibility. They may have better clout then a bunch of users. Mind you, I am in India so I could be wrong about these organizations. Pranav --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
Some of Phil's suggestions sounded very serious; some of them, I hope, were supposed to be jokes. With that in mind I propose my own step-by-step guide for making mainstream games accessible in the current environment/market. Feel free to take it as seriously as you like, and definitely send audio/video. 1. Locate a large concrete/brick wall. This may be the side of a commercial building or it may be a retaining wall. The Russian stage from Street Fighter II is also acceptable. Don't think too hard about it, as rather than location, the wall is the important part. 2. before carrying on with the plan, insure that your head is entirely free from cover. The more zealous of you may wish to shave your scalp to insure maximum ... um ... impact. Feel free to be artistic! You may be inspired to tattoo your skull with phrases such as 1up for accessibility or Game inaccessibility? FATALITY! If you must wear a head covering, the only permissible article is Mario's red hat. 3. Stand several feet back from the wall in question. If you are athletic, you may wish to give yourself more running room. 4. Approach the wall at a high rate of speed, making sure to lower your head as you reach your destination. It is important to note that no effort must be made to halt your progress before a collision occurs. Again, feel free to be artistic. Scream the theme to Mario Brothers as you approach. Make the sound of Sonic the hedgehog powering up for his sprint. Perform a Megaman style slide into the wall. 5. Repeat until you are convinced you have made mainstream games accessible. You are permitted to use as many continues as you deem appropriate. Good luck to everyone out there! Ryan - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility 10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to visit mainstream game company headquarters and have their dogs poop on the floor. 9. Kidnap the children of mainstream game company executives and hold them ransom until their games are Accessible. 8. Picket mainstream game company headquarters with Braille signs saying that they are discriminating to the blind. 7. Have every blind person in the world learn computer programming and require them to debug a line of game code before they can read an audio book. 6. Start a charity, National Association of Accessible Games, and get people to donate millions of dollars, then hire sighted programmers to develop accessible games. 5. Get all colleges to add a class of Accessible game development to all computer programming courses. 4. Get the NFB and ACB to protest that there are not enough mainstream game accessibility. 3. Petition Stevie Wonder to be the spokesperson for mainstream game accessibility. 2. Get all blind people to send a dollar to Thomas Ward so he can finish his accessible game engine. And the top way to get mainstream game accessibility, Visit the homes of mainstream game company executives and poke their eyes out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4340 (20090816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4340 (20090816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the
Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
One of the only game related times where I wouldn't wish for an extra life... nice one Ryan! Scott On 8/17/09, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: Some of Phil's suggestions sounded very serious; some of them, I hope, were supposed to be jokes. With that in mind I propose my own step-by-step guide for making mainstream games accessible in the current environment/market. Feel free to take it as seriously as you like, and definitely send audio/video. 1. Locate a large concrete/brick wall. This may be the side of a commercial building or it may be a retaining wall. The Russian stage from Street Fighter II is also acceptable. Don't think too hard about it, as rather than location, the wall is the important part. 2. before carrying on with the plan, insure that your head is entirely free from cover. The more zealous of you may wish to shave your scalp to insure maximum ... um ... impact. Feel free to be artistic! You may be inspired to tattoo your skull with phrases such as 1up for accessibility or Game inaccessibility? FATALITY! If you must wear a head covering, the only permissible article is Mario's red hat. 3. Stand several feet back from the wall in question. If you are athletic, you may wish to give yourself more running room. 4. Approach the wall at a high rate of speed, making sure to lower your head as you reach your destination. It is important to note that no effort must be made to halt your progress before a collision occurs. Again, feel free to be artistic. Scream the theme to Mario Brothers as you approach. Make the sound of Sonic the hedgehog powering up for his sprint. Perform a Megaman style slide into the wall. 5. Repeat until you are convinced you have made mainstream games accessible. You are permitted to use as many continues as you deem appropriate. Good luck to everyone out there! Ryan - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility 10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to visit mainstream game company headquarters and have their dogs poop on the floor. 9. Kidnap the children of mainstream game company executives and hold them ransom until their games are Accessible. 8. Picket mainstream game company headquarters with Braille signs saying that they are discriminating to the blind. 7. Have every blind person in the world learn computer programming and require them to debug a line of game code before they can read an audio book. 6. Start a charity, National Association of Accessible Games, and get people to donate millions of dollars, then hire sighted programmers to develop accessible games. 5. Get all colleges to add a class of Accessible game development to all computer programming courses. 4. Get the NFB and ACB to protest that there are not enough mainstream game accessibility. 3. Petition Stevie Wonder to be the spokesperson for mainstream game accessibility. 2. Get all blind people to send a dollar to Thomas Ward so he can finish his accessible game engine. And the top way to get mainstream game accessibility, Visit the homes of mainstream game company executives and poke their eyes out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4340 (20090816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4340 (20090816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
Got a younger brother or sister you can blame it on?? --- Shepherds are the best beasts. - Original Message - From: ChB chr1...@gmx.de To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility If I don't own a guide dog, can I go and poop on their floors instead? LMAO chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Tristan B Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:55 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Haha... Wow.. Tristan B TrekGames.net Cosmos - TrekGames.net, port 1234. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility lol! - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:25 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility 10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to visit mainstream game company headquarters and have their dogs poop on the floor. 9. Kidnap the children of mainstream game company executives and hold them ransom until their games are Accessible. 8. Picket mainstream game company headquarters with Braille signs saying that they are discriminating to the blind. 7. Have every blind person in the world learn computer programming and require them to debug a line of game code before they can read an audio book. 6. Start a charity, National Association of Accessible Games, and get people to donate millions of dollars, then hire sighted programmers to develop accessible games. 5. Get all colleges to add a class of Accessible game development to all computer programming courses. 4. Get the NFB and ACB to protest that there are not enough mainstream game accessibility. 3. Petition Stevie Wonder to be the spokesperson for mainstream game accessibility. 2. Get all blind people to send a dollar to Thomas Ward so he can finish his accessible game engine. And the top way to get mainstream game accessibility, Visit the homes of mainstream game company executives and poke their eyes out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] RS Games Staff
Hello, RS Games has been in recent need of some volunteer staff members. We would like some assistance in: Sound Design and Beta Testing. Staff members get access to our staff area of the website as well as the staff forums. If your interested, please email us at: rsgames[ a-t ]inbox.com with your desired job and a brief description about yourself. One of the games you might be working on is a multi-player Monopoly. This is not an RS Games alone project. Mike has teamed up with RS Games to speed up game production. Note: Most of the time, entire game production excluding beta testing, is done by Ryan. However, for a few select games, we are opening it up to those interested. Future games may go back to single-person production. Thank you. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility
Sorry, but I like Phil's ideas better. There's no need to damage perfectly innocent walls. Heh heh heh. --- Shepherds are the best beasts. - Original Message - From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Some of Phil's suggestions sounded very serious; some of them, I hope, were supposed to be jokes. With that in mind I propose my own step-by-step guide for making mainstream games accessible in the current environment/market. Feel free to take it as seriously as you like, and definitely send audio/video. 1. Locate a large concrete/brick wall. This may be the side of a commercial building or it may be a retaining wall. The Russian stage from Street Fighter II is also acceptable. Don't think too hard about it, as rather than location, the wall is the important part. 2. before carrying on with the plan, insure that your head is entirely free from cover. The more zealous of you may wish to shave your scalp to insure maximum ... um ... impact. Feel free to be artistic! You may be inspired to tattoo your skull with phrases such as 1up for accessibility or Game inaccessibility? FATALITY! If you must wear a head covering, the only permissible article is Mario's red hat. 3. Stand several feet back from the wall in question. If you are athletic, you may wish to give yourself more running room. 4. Approach the wall at a high rate of speed, making sure to lower your head as you reach your destination. It is important to note that no effort must be made to halt your progress before a collision occurs. Again, feel free to be artistic. Scream the theme to Mario Brothers as you approach. Make the sound of Sonic the hedgehog powering up for his sprint. Perform a Megaman style slide into the wall. 5. Repeat until you are convinced you have made mainstream games accessible. You are permitted to use as many continues as you deem appropriate. Good luck to everyone out there! Ryan - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility Top ten ways to get mainstream game accessibility 10. Organize all the guide dog owners in the country to visit mainstream game company headquarters and have their dogs poop on the floor. 9. Kidnap the children of mainstream game company executives and hold them ransom until their games are Accessible. 8. Picket mainstream game company headquarters with Braille signs saying that they are discriminating to the blind. 7. Have every blind person in the world learn computer programming and require them to debug a line of game code before they can read an audio book. 6. Start a charity, National Association of Accessible Games, and get people to donate millions of dollars, then hire sighted programmers to develop accessible games. 5. Get all colleges to add a class of Accessible game development to all computer programming courses. 4. Get the NFB and ACB to protest that there are not enough mainstream game accessibility. 3. Petition Stevie Wonder to be the spokesperson for mainstream game accessibility. 2. Get all blind people to send a dollar to Thomas Ward so he can finish his accessible game engine. And the top way to get mainstream game accessibility, Visit the homes of mainstream game company executives and poke their eyes out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4340 (20090816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4340 (20090816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Hi, I have to agree with you. Recently there has been some talk about a car that can drive itself, and of course the media felt this might be a revolutionary breakthrough for groups such as the blind who can not drive cars. In the medias eyes this is big news. However, the fact that GMA, Jim Kitchen, or myself are working on accessible games for the blind aren't even worth a mentioning on the back page of your average news paper most of the time. What media attention we do get from time to time is often there for a quick wow responce and is quickly forgotten. Frankly, the general public doesn't care, and generally is unconcerned about blind accessibility issues like this. ChB wrote: Frankly the public does not care if a blind person is able to play video games, so the media interest would be non existent. I think you'd get more media attention if you partioned to car developers complaining about not being able to drive then you do if you complain about video game accesibility. I hate that fact as much as anyone, as I had played games from the days of old nintendo nes when I still had sight. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:07 PM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility good point. Another way we could do this was approach comapanies and make accessible front ends to their stuff. ok so its probably not going to be cost effective and so we do it for free at first and wait. we also need some media recognition and this means doing something big. taking in mind that media can both damage and help as well as hinder though we would have to be carefull. ofcause its hit and miss. and time and other things, hmph but I think its feesable. in theory at least. At 04:40 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Josh, The suing part requires money not many of us can dish out. As for blackmail, well, they have advanced blocking features because I'm sure they deal with that kind of stuff every day. It's easy to ignore spam mail--just press your delete button. What are you going to tell them, make it accessible or else? They'll just laugh in your face we're a multi billion dollar company, a petty $5,000 lawsuit won't dent us. Good bye. Throwing tantrums gets you nowhere in today's times. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Thomas, Ok then. why not send them mass emails until they get sick of us and take them to court over it and sue them. If we are an insect that can be swatted out of the way, then lets make ourselves look big, huge, gigantic! lets make a program that sends them emails and does automated calling to the companies once per week or once per month which reminds them we will not go away and we will not stand for their rudeness! Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the
Re: [Audyssey] Plots in games was: Re: The real Game Circle
Hi, Well, I personally liked Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, but that's beside the point. I do agree with you that after a while anything can be over done. The trick with any author or game designer is to know when to cut the series short and begin creating something else. Bryan Peterson wrote: Personally I think George Lucas did the same thing with Indianna Jones in the fourth movie. I personally felt it wasn't that good. Even the Castlevania series is probably getting to that point by now, although I did like Aria of Sorrow. You have acquired the skill of Weaponry Theremin. Your current level of mastery is 10 Apprentice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Exactly and that is a shame. You guys do a great deal of keeping a lot of blind gamers very happy with your products, sadly most of the regular games are going to be off limits to us. Lol, about the cars. Being blind myself but still kind of shudder at the prospective of blind car drivers all over the place. I can just see a cop pull one of us over and saying, 'gee what is wrong with you driving like that, are you blind?' yes... grin* unfortunately a lot of the general public is still pretty ignorant when it comes to the needs of disabled people or the aides out there for them. I still get disbelief a lot of times when I offer a person my email address. Lol. most have no clue blind people can run computers, let alone what we use to run them chrissy. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi, I have to agree with you. Recently there has been some talk about a car that can drive itself, and of course the media felt this might be a revolutionary breakthrough for groups such as the blind who can not drive cars. In the medias eyes this is big news. However, the fact that GMA, Jim Kitchen, or myself are working on accessible games for the blind aren't even worth a mentioning on the back page of your average news paper most of the time. What media attention we do get from time to time is often there for a quick wow responce and is quickly forgotten. Frankly, the general public doesn't care, and generally is unconcerned about blind accessibility issues like this. ChB wrote: Frankly the public does not care if a blind person is able to play video games, so the media interest would be non existent. I think you'd get more media attention if you partioned to car developers complaining about not being able to drive then you do if you complain about video game accesibility. I hate that fact as much as anyone, as I had played games from the days of old nintendo nes when I still had sight. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:07 PM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility good point. Another way we could do this was approach comapanies and make accessible front ends to their stuff. ok so its probably not going to be cost effective and so we do it for free at first and wait. we also need some media recognition and this means doing something big. taking in mind that media can both damage and help as well as hinder though we would have to be carefull. ofcause its hit and miss. and time and other things, hmph but I think its feesable. in theory at least. At 04:40 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Josh, The suing part requires money not many of us can dish out. As for blackmail, well, they have advanced blocking features because I'm sure they deal with that kind of stuff every day. It's easy to ignore spam mail--just press your delete button. What are you going to tell them, make it accessible or else? They'll just laugh in your face we're a multi billion dollar company, a petty $5,000 lawsuit won't dent us. Good bye. Throwing tantrums gets you nowhere in today's times. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Thomas, Ok then. why not send them mass emails until they get sick of us and take them to court over it and sue them. If we are an insect that can be swatted out of the way, then lets make ourselves look big, huge, gigantic! lets make a program that sends them emails and does automated calling to the companies once per week or once per month which reminds them we will not go away and we will not stand for their rudeness! Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Hi Ryan, Good point. That is one issue I briefly touched upon in my interview with Game Spot last night. Fact of the matter is while there are several games that might be improved accessibility wise there will always be some types of games that can and never will be made accessible. Understand I mean not technically possible rather than a lack of desire to try and make it accessible. It is terribly difficult to explain to some people who don't have the faintest clue about programming about certain things like this. Some blind gamers may assume because games have been made accessible in the past that every game that has been created could be made accessible if someone tried. That isn't true, and there will always be a few games that require some level of sight to play no matter what. Ryan Strunk wrote: Chrissy, I think you're right on here. Besides which I don't believe every single game technically could be made accessible. Can you imagine the can of worms that would open if suddenly some games were accessible but others weren't? Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] mapping keyboard buttons to an external controller
Hi folks, Does anybody know of an accessible, preferably free or cheap, utility that's good for mapping keyboard keys and functions to a game pad? I know it can be done with programs like xpadder and pinical, but haven't had any luck getting the demo versions of those to do much with jaws. Tips and suggestions greatly appreciated. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mapping keyboard buttons to an external controller
use joy to key. it's the best in my opinion. free,fast and easy to use, and the best. 100% accessible. http://www.electracode.com/4/joy2key/JoyToKey%20English%20Version.htm -Mensagem original- De: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 17 de Agosto de 2009 18:55 Assunto: [Audyssey] mapping keyboard buttons to an external controller Hi folks, Does anybody know of an accessible, preferably free or cheap, utility that's good for mapping keyboard keys and functions to a game pad? I know it can be done with programs like xpadder and pinical, but haven't had any luck getting the demo versions of those to do much with jaws. Tips and suggestions greatly appreciated. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mapping keyboard buttons to an external controller
Wow, quick reply Matheus! Thanks for the link man, I'll check it out right now. Scott On 8/17/09, Matheus an...@bol.com.br wrote: use joy to key. it's the best in my opinion. free,fast and easy to use, and the best. 100% accessible. http://www.electracode.com/4/joy2key/JoyToKey%20English%20Version.htm -Mensagem original- De: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 17 de Agosto de 2009 18:55 Assunto: [Audyssey] mapping keyboard buttons to an external controller Hi folks, Does anybody know of an accessible, preferably free or cheap, utility that's good for mapping keyboard keys and functions to a game pad? I know it can be done with programs like xpadder and pinical, but haven't had any luck getting the demo versions of those to do much with jaws. Tips and suggestions greatly appreciated. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
blind driving a car? it has happened, if interested contact me off list and I'll send you the article; no one cared about civil rights, no one cared about woman's rights and no one cares about Blind issues; we have to take the bull by the horns and stand up as a people.. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi, I have to agree with you. Recently there has been some talk about a car that can drive itself, and of course the media felt this might be a revolutionary breakthrough for groups such as the blind who can not drive cars. In the medias eyes this is big news. However, the fact that GMA, Jim Kitchen, or myself are working on accessible games for the blind aren't even worth a mentioning on the back page of your average news paper most of the time. What media attention we do get from time to time is often there for a quick wow responce and is quickly forgotten. Frankly, the general public doesn't care, and generally is unconcerned about blind accessibility issues like this. ChB wrote: Frankly the public does not care if a blind person is able to play video games, so the media interest would be non existent. I think you'd get more media attention if you partioned to car developers complaining about not being able to drive then you do if you complain about video game accesibility. I hate that fact as much as anyone, as I had played games from the days of old nintendo nes when I still had sight. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:07 PM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility good point. Another way we could do this was approach comapanies and make accessible front ends to their stuff. ok so its probably not going to be cost effective and so we do it for free at first and wait. we also need some media recognition and this means doing something big. taking in mind that media can both damage and help as well as hinder though we would have to be carefull. ofcause its hit and miss. and time and other things, hmph but I think its feesable. in theory at least. At 04:40 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Josh, The suing part requires money not many of us can dish out. As for blackmail, well, they have advanced blocking features because I'm sure they deal with that kind of stuff every day. It's easy to ignore spam mail--just press your delete button. What are you going to tell them, make it accessible or else? They'll just laugh in your face we're a multi billion dollar company, a petty $5,000 lawsuit won't dent us. Good bye. Throwing tantrums gets you nowhere in today's times. Munawar A. Bijani Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard knowledge is only useful if it is absorbed. - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj Al-Balagha mailto:munaw...@gmail.com http://www.bpcprograms.com - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Thomas, Ok then. why not send them mass emails until they get sick of us and take them to court over it and sue them. If we are an insect that can be swatted out of the way, then lets make ourselves look big, huge, gigantic! lets make a program that sends them emails and does automated calling to the companies once per week or once per month which reminds them we will not go away and we will not stand for their rudeness! Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
For those blind people who ask, Why can't you make this game accessible?, and they don't understand why you cannot, turn the tables by asking Got any ideas on how to do it? I'm open to any and all credible suggestions. Maybe they will get a clue and maybe they won't, but it's an attempt to drive the point home. I can think of 2 examples right away that some blind people would possibly be interested in. A game of pool, as in 8-ball, and a game of Quidditch. In the game of pool, how would the balls be identified and located? How would aiming be done? How would the power of your shot be determined? In the game of Quidditch, how would you keep track of 13 moving players, 2 moving bludgers, the quaffle and the golden snitch? And, if you choose to play the position of chaser, where are the goals and keeper in relation to you? Asking why a game cannot be, or hasn't been, made accessible is easy, but the solution certainly is not! Even if you have a solution, conveying your instructions to a computer so that everything works flawlessly and smoothly is a problem that takes time only recognized by programmers who work at it on a daily basis. --- Shepherds are the best beasts. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Ryan, Good point. That is one issue I briefly touched upon in my interview with Game Spot last night. Fact of the matter is while there are several games that might be improved accessibility wise there will always be some types of games that can and never will be made accessible. Understand I mean not technically possible rather than a lack of desire to try and make it accessible. It is terribly difficult to explain to some people who don't have the faintest clue about programming about certain things like this. Some blind gamers may assume because games have been made accessible in the past that every game that has been created could be made accessible if someone tried. That isn't true, and there will always be a few games that require some level of sight to play no matter what. Ryan Strunk wrote: Chrissy, I think you're right on here. Besides which I don't believe every single game technically could be made accessible. Can you imagine the can of worms that would open if suddenly some games were accessible but others weren't? Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream games?
Hi, Flat out impossible, methinks. I don't think its as easy as just throwing together a flash rom for it and throwing it in. This requires millions of dollars, I bet. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream games? Hey, Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than have game consoles? Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] podcast of pkd games
hi. this is a podcast for aall those that want to know what is going on with the projects well the train sim that piter is doing and well all the other things. this thing is not to long about 20 mins covers most if not all the stuff working in the latest test folder as of this morning. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1407689/pkd%20games.mp3 is the link if its mangled please tell me and I will sendspace the thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Games we'd like to play.
Games we'd like to play. Prince of Persia: Mysteries of the Ancients. This Film premieres May 28th, 2010. Walt Disney Pictures Movie based on the video game - set in medieval Persia, Earth's mightiest and most mysterious kingdom, where a king and his son defeat the powerful Maharajah and kidnap his daughter, looting his palace of priceless treasure, including an extravagant hourglass, and a mysterious dagger. Smiles it is really named, Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Now please wake Thomas Ward up. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] podcast of pkd games
I've gotta commend the team on the audio demo for Train Sim! It's very impressive! It can only improve from here... Cheers, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] podcast of pkd games
thanks. I actually after the cast did a track which I deleted after doodling it which had the 2 tracks combined that existed pluss some from an older release. I can hapilly say that the system should be able to have a 15 object track with it all working. I deleted the track though after I finnished testing it so if the group had members online and did get a copy then so be it otherwise it came and went. At 11:06 a.m. 18/08/2009, you wrote: I've gotta commend the team on the audio demo for Train Sim! It's very impressive! It can only improve from here... Cheers, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] game ideas
here is some game ideas for any of game makers out there i wonder if someone could make a game simular to the resident evil games and silent hill games or how about a horror house game where you take a tour through a hunted house i guess you can say a halloween house simulator like the ones you go to in october for halloween how about a michael myer halloween game where you got to go through michael house and other places that was on the movies part one through part nine and even the two new ones how about a beetle bug car raceing game where you can select different volt wagen to play as when i had sight i love playing the legend of spyro games someone should make a spyro game another game that should get made is snake byte that was an old computer game if anyone what more ideas on these game idea let me know and i will go in more about the ideas i have for these games thank you -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Hi Ryan, Thanks for clarifying that. I appreciate all those statistics and yes we do have far bigger challenges to overcome. However, perhaps what is needed is greater awareness even in these organisations about accessible games. For example, I have not seen any game developers host any stalls in any of the blindness conventions or major blindness technology conferences. I suspect this is because most developers are single man operations and do this in their spare time. To counteract this, perhaps a bunch of enthusiastic users could put up the money and host stalls at blindness technology shows. Pranav --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
Hi Sean, The vOICe does take a little getting used to. I have written a tutorial for the program which you can read at http://www.sensorysubstitution.co.uk/tutorial Pranav --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game ideas
the beetle bug game is not to bad. we already have an engine of sorts. if you can get us sounds and maybe all the info about the tracks I am sure I could probably do track/ car mods for ts2.1rc1. thats not a issue. At 12:39 p.m. 18/08/2009, you wrote: here is some game ideas for any of game makers out there i wonder if someone could make a game simular to the resident evil games and silent hill games or how about a horror house game where you take a tour through a hunted house i guess you can say a halloween house simulator like the ones you go to in october for halloween how about a michael myer halloween game where you got to go through michael house and other places that was on the movies part one through part nine and even the two new ones how about a beetle bug car raceing game where you can select different volt wagen to play as when i had sight i love playing the legend of spyro games someone should make a spyro game another game that should get made is snake byte that was an old computer game if anyone what more ideas on these game idea let me know and i will go in more about the ideas i have for these games thank you -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game ideas
Hi Michael, As a matter of fact I've got similar game ideas written down in my games to do text file. Once I complete work on my 3d game engine it will be fairly easy for me to crank out games like Resident Evil, a haunted house type game, or just about anything else that is in an FPS type format. Smile. michael barnes wrote: here is some game ideas for any of game makers out there i wonder if someone could make a game simular to the resident evil games and silent hill games or how about a horror house game where you take a tour through a hunted house i guess you can say a halloween house simulator like the ones you go to in october for halloween how about a michael myer halloween game where you got to go through michael house and other places that was on the movies part one through part nine and even the two new ones how about a beetle bug car raceing game where you can select different volt wagen to play as when i had sight i love playing the legend of spyro games someone should make a spyro game another game that should get made is snake byte that was an old computer game if anyone what more ideas on these game idea let me know and i will go in more about the ideas i have for these games thank you --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] new Adrift 4.0 game, Last Week, now available
Hello all. Just wanted to let you know that I've finally finished the Adrift text adventure game I've been working on since late 2006. Due to the nature of the game, I suggest that it not be discussed here. Although it's a game, it's an adult text adventure game and would not be appropriate for the list. However since I know some of you play text adventures, and some of you also play adult text adventures, it's fair to let you know about it. You can find the game at www.aifcommunity.org in the Adrift 4.0 games section. It's called Last Week, the file name specifically is LastWeek-1.0.zip. Many thanks and if you have any questions about the game, you can either write me privately or you can subscribe to the aifarchive email group on yahoogroups where all adult text adventure games are discussed. many thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility
You make a good point. James North once hosted a table at the NFB convention exhibit hall where he played his demo of The Genesis Project. He said just based on the sound recording people wanted to pre-order the game. Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:54 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream game accessibility Hi Ryan, Thanks for clarifying that. I appreciate all those statistics and yes we do have far bigger challenges to overcome. However, perhaps what is needed is greater awareness even in these organisations about accessible games. For example, I have not seen any game developers host any stalls in any of the blindness conventions or major blindness technology conferences. I suspect this is because most developers are single man operations and do this in their spare time. To counteract this, perhaps a bunch of enthusiastic users could put up the money and host stalls at blindness technology shows. Pranav --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new Adrift 4.0 game, Last Week, now available
Um, you need to check that link, its not working. On 8/17/09, Raul A. Gallegos r...@asmodean.net wrote: Hello all. Just wanted to let you know that I've finally finished the Adrift text adventure game I've been working on since late 2006. Due to the nature of the game, I suggest that it not be discussed here. Although it's a game, it's an adult text adventure game and would not be appropriate for the list. However since I know some of you play text adventures, and some of you also play adult text adventures, it's fair to let you know about it. You can find the game at www.aifcommunity.org in the Adrift 4.0 games section. It's called Last Week, the file name specifically is LastWeek-1.0.zip. Many thanks and if you have any questions about the game, you can either write me privately or you can subscribe to the aifarchive email group on yahoogroups where all adult text adventure games are discussed. many thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
