Re: [Audyssey] Entombed Featured On This Week's Innovations
Cool Kelly, will go nice with a cup of coffee, one of my favourite games next to Shades of Doom, GTC and Sarah game. - Original Message - From: Kelly Sapergia ksaper...@sasktel.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Entombed Featured On This Week's Innovations Hi, Just wanted to let you know that on this week's Innovations technology show, I'm reviewing the game Entombed. You can hear the show on The Global Voice at www.theglobalvoice.info (check the schedule for times of repeats, or listen to the show via The Program Gallery section.) As well, the review is also available from the Audio Reviews section of my personal website at: www.ksapergia.net/reviews.php Thanks, and enjoy! Yours Sincerely, Kelly John Sapergia For information regarding my Internet radio shows, links to my favorite sites, and more, visit my personal website at http://www.ksapergia.net/. If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com/. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my thoughts
Hi, is this game Text based or one like GMA with voice acting and movement in 3D? - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: [Audyssey] my thoughts my thought on the last crusade is this. it could be longer instead of three stages. which means it could have at least a couple of more stages. the fights was nice i like that the battles was random what i mean is when you fight you might lose one time and then the next time you might win. i enjoy the music it kind of remind me of the zelda music and the final fantasy music. i also enjoy the voice acting. the guy who did that did a great job. someone tell me was that the same person who made the game? on the game they could have you travel in a tomb and the fight the boss in the grave yard. they could have you go into a cabin and fight the first boss. but other then this review i give this game a five out of ten. i will start to bring more game review for all of you out their. and please check out the game zone at 206-376-8794 to get all type of reviews and cheats and info about upcoming games. and interviews with some of the game makers and game players. and yes you can listen to the show on skype. so call -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
The only place I know of is www.nextup.com. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Entombed Featured On This Week's Innovations
Hi. really nice review of the game, and a great explanation for some of the questions often asked by people trying it for the first time, I'll stick a link to it on the entombed page at audiogames.net so that people can access it more easily. Btw, just for information, on the targiting front 1 = left foot, 3 = right foot, 5 = torso, 4 = left arm 6 = right arm, and 8 = head. this makes a lot of sense on the numberpad sinse it roughly resembles a stick figure. Also, the clank sound when hit actually means you've hit, but been blocked, ie, not done enough damage or had a hard enough weapon to get through an enemy's defenses. Sinse the branche you get at the start is pretty pathetic as a weapon, this is why you heard it occasionally. hope this explains things. Btw, i'm currently working on a players' handbook for the game which will serve as a sort of advanced manual. thus far it's about half done, but there's a lot to explain. hopefully when it's finished it will answer those sorts of questions. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Entombed Featured On This Week's Innovations
Really great review Kelly, like the name for your pet, I don't suppose he's a 3-headed wolf by any chance? Smile Thanks for the reminder Dark, I constently need reminders because although I go for head or waste there are times where it doesn't work. s - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Entombed Featured On This Week's Innovations Hi. really nice review of the game, and a great explanation for some of the questions often asked by people trying it for the first time, I'll stick a link to it on the entombed page at audiogames.net so that people can access it more easily. Btw, just for information, on the targiting front 1 = left foot, 3 = right foot, 5 = torso, 4 = left arm 6 = right arm, and 8 = head. this makes a lot of sense on the numberpad sinse it roughly resembles a stick figure. Also, the clank sound when hit actually means you've hit, but been blocked, ie, not done enough damage or had a hard enough weapon to get through an enemy's defenses. Sinse the branche you get at the start is pretty pathetic as a weapon, this is why you heard it occasionally. hope this explains things. Btw, i'm currently working on a players' handbook for the game which will serve as a sort of advanced manual. thus far it's about half done, but there's a lot to explain. hopefully when it's finished it will answer those sorts of questions. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] q9
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Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi, I'd highly recommend that you don't buy the Scansoft Real Speak voices from Nextup.com and here is why. As I understand it a while backNuance, the company that owns Scansoft, has changed the way it licences its Real Speak voices. Under the new licensing scheme the products must be purchased by a company and then locked specifically to that product. In other words if you buy Scansoft Karen, Tom, whatever from Nextup.com those will only work with Nextup.com's products such as Text Aloud, Weather Aloud, and News Aloud. You can not turn around and use it with Window-Eyes, Jaws, or your favorite game by Jim Kitchen, because they are no longer, strictly speaking, Sapi voices. They must be accessed using a specific product, and only that specific product through a special license. So if you want to use Scansoft Tom, Daniel, Karen, etc with Jaws 11 you must license the voice through Freedom Scientific for Jaws. If you want to use those voices with Text Aloud you have to turn around and license a copy of those voices through Nextup.com specifically for that product. In short, those voices are going to cost you dearly to have, and I am vvery glad that I managed to purchase those voices when Jaws 8 and Openbook 8 came out when they were still Sapi voices and not under the new more restrictive license. I hate to say it, but at this point I don't know of any legal way to get the older Sapi 5 voices without resorting to outright piracy, and it seams to me to be the logical result of this kind of radical, money grabbing, greedy, unfair change in licensing. Normally I don't advocate software piracy, but when a company makes this kind of idiotic polacy I don't feel a bit sorry if it happens to them. It is one thing to charge once for a product that you can use with most of your software, but quite another when the license basically forces you to purchase a copy for each and every product you intend to use it with. This is criminal in my book, and the company does not deserve any mor of our business until they shape up and change their polacy. I could be wrong about all this, but it seams odd to me that the Scansoft and Nuance web sites no longer have the Real Speak voices for sale on their web site like the use to. When I check Nextup.com they say right on the web site that these voices will only work with Nextup.com products. Go to Freedom Scientific, guess what, all of the new Scansoft voice downloads only work with Jaws and not anything else. So what is really going on here? On 5/12/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: The only place I know of is www.nextup.com. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
You're right Tomas, thanks for that I was outraged before about the prices! I wasn't going to pay 32£ odds for a voice which I can easilly access through Jaws. As I see it companies take advantage of their customers, if we buy a product we pay the money therefore it should be up to us what we do with it. On the other hand Microsoft should be giving out better Sappi voices, because even Microsoft Mary is starting to get on my nerves! I know they have a new Anna voice with windows 7, but I don't know if upgrading would do me any good, for example will it mess up my windows xp interface, start menus etc. For another will my audio games be harmed in any way? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi, I'd highly recommend that you don't buy the Scansoft Real Speak voices from Nextup.com and here is why. As I understand it a while backNuance, the company that owns Scansoft, has changed the way it licences its Real Speak voices. Under the new licensing scheme the products must be purchased by a company and then locked specifically to that product. In other words if you buy Scansoft Karen, Tom, whatever from Nextup.com those will only work with Nextup.com's products such as Text Aloud, Weather Aloud, and News Aloud. You can not turn around and use it with Window-Eyes, Jaws, or your favorite game by Jim Kitchen, because they are no longer, strictly speaking, Sapi voices. They must be accessed using a specific product, and only that specific product through a special license. So if you want to use Scansoft Tom, Daniel, Karen, etc with Jaws 11 you must license the voice through Freedom Scientific for Jaws. If you want to use those voices with Text Aloud you have to turn around and license a copy of those voices through Nextup.com specifically for that product. In short, those voices are going to cost you dearly to have, and I am vvery glad that I managed to purchase those voices when Jaws 8 and Openbook 8 came out when they were still Sapi voices and not under the new more restrictive license. I hate to say it, but at this point I don't know of any legal way to get the older Sapi 5 voices without resorting to outright piracy, and it seams to me to be the logical result of this kind of radical, money grabbing, greedy, unfair change in licensing. Normally I don't advocate software piracy, but when a company makes this kind of idiotic polacy I don't feel a bit sorry if it happens to them. It is one thing to charge once for a product that you can use with most of your software, but quite another when the license basically forces you to purchase a copy for each and every product you intend to use it with. This is criminal in my book, and the company does not deserve any mor of our business until they shape up and change their polacy. I could be wrong about all this, but it seams odd to me that the Scansoft and Nuance web sites no longer have the Real Speak voices for sale on their web site like the use to. When I check Nextup.com they say right on the web site that these voices will only work with Nextup.com products. Go to Freedom Scientific, guess what, all of the new Scansoft voice downloads only work with Jaws and not anything else. So what is really going on here? On 5/12/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: The only place I know of is www.nextup.com. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
It's lucky I bought them a few years back when they were still usable as such, and lucky that I saved those installs. True you can only install them if Text Aloud is on your machine but they work with WIndow-Eyes and other aps. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 12 May 2010 19:33 To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Lori, Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna much myself because I own better quality voices, but for a free voice it is pretty good. As for the Windows 7 interface it builds a lot upon changes introduced in Windows Vista, and is quite a bit different from Windows XP. If you haven't used Windows Vista prier to upgrading to Windows 7 then many of the changes will come as a surprise to you as things are somewhat different now. For example, when you bring up the start menu instead of a single menu or list the screen is split into columns with your frequently used programs, search field, all programs menu, etc on one side of the screen and your user directory, documents, control panel, etc on the other. It isn't difficult to navigate, but you will have to explore the new start menu some to figure out where things are. You may have to go into the start menu properties to turn some things on/off such as the run command if you want it. Another change is the old menu bars seen in older versions of Windows such as XP are pretty much a thing of the past. Now, the old menu bars have been replaced by the menu ribbins like those in Microsoft Office 2007 and Microsoft 2010. A lot of Microsoft's products are going that way, and that is the new look and feel you might say for all future software so you might as well get use to menu ribbins sooner or later. Another important change you'll have to get use to is a lot of the Windows 7 windows are integrated into Explorer, and have a web view look and feel to them. For example, if you click on control panel by default it will show up as a web page with links to click on to change security settings, user accounts, preferences, programs and features, etc. Way different from the control panel you know and love from XP that's for sure. I believe in some cases you can change it back to the XP look and feel, but in many of the cases you are stuck with the new look and feel. So bottom line if you come at Windows 7 expecting a newer version of XP forget it. Windows 7 is a whole new ball game, and needs to be treated as the new operating system that it is. Even Vista doesn't quite compare to Windows 7 because Microsoft majorly over halled the operating system removing several things that were in Vista to make it faster, more stable, support a wider range of hardware, etc while living up to being the first solid Windows operating system since XP. I'm quite happy with it, and don't mind leaving Xp behind. Finally, as for your audio games there are a few issues you need to be aware of, but in most cases they are easily fixed. One major issue is that most of the audio games out there from Draconis, L-Works, GMA, Kitchens Inc, etc were all written in Visual Basic 6 which is no longer officially supported on Windows 7. There is, however, an easy solution to the problem. If you download and install Jim Kitchens Winkit setup you will get the complete Visual Basic 6 runtime library and DirectX libraries which restores support on Windows 7 for Visual Basic applications. This means if you do that you should be able to run most of your pre-Windows 7 games without too much problem. Another issue is that Windows 7's security polacies have changed. Unfortunately, most game developers have not yet gotten around to rewriting or updating their software to properly support Windows 7's User Account Control security system. It is often responcibile for effecting the operation of several old games. One way to resolve this problem in the mean time is to disable UAC support on Windows 7. It will increase the risk of viruses and other malware, but on the other hand does resolve many compatibility issues with games and other older applications designed for Windows XP and earlier. Personally, I think that having UAC on provides a better layer of protection, but if you want to disable it to support older applications then it can be done. HTH On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: You're right Thomas, thanks for that I was outraged before about the prices! I wasn't going to pay 32£ odds for a voice which I can easilly access through Jaws. As I see it companies take advantage of their customers, if we buy a product we pay the money therefore it should be up to us what we do with it. On the other hand Microsoft should be giving out better Sappi voices, because even Microsoft Mary is starting to get on my nerves! I know they have a new Anna voice with windows 7, but I don't know if upgrading would do me any good, for example will it mess up my windows xp interface, start menus etc. For another will my audio games be harmed in any way? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi, Lol! That's stretching things quite a bit. I'd say with the engine written I should be able to have new games done round about three or four months with the engine depending whatever I need to code to make the new game. I may have to update the engine from time to time to add this or that feature as needed. As it is there are still things written in the .Net version of the engine I'll eventually have to port to C++ I just didn't take the time to do yet. What we have hear is a smaller verison of the engine, and before i do my next project I'll have to add some of the 3d commands and update the A.I. system for an FPS game. On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I did actually wonder Tom exactly how much of the code was the engine and how much was mota specific. I do now though have an idea of approximately how much easier things will be in the future for producing any other audio fps or similar now having the engine written. Btw, if you wrote thirteen thousand lines in a month, and mota takes up nine thousand, I duely expect usa games to be releasing 1 and a half games a month from now on? and no skimping on the halves! I'll be expecting to see the adventures of Angela Carters' legs! traversing ancient floors and booting centaurs where it hurts! ;D. Ps: needless to say, this isn't serious, stil I thought the coding average as compared to the amount of code taken for Mota itself was pretty impressive. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Graid 3 is computer brail. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lori Duncan Sent: 12 May 2010 21:00 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Lori, Yep. Sure is. It has been around for a few years, but grade 2 is stil the standard for most braille publications because many braille users haven't updated their braille skills and still are not aware of the new braille contractions. However, grade 3 is now being taught to new braille students, and builds upon grade 2. I'm not familiar with all the new braille contractions myself but one I remember from my brief course was the chch contraction for church and a couple of others like that. No big deal really, but would throw you off if you were reading along and saw them in a book or magazine. Actually, I did see a couple of magazines that use grade 3 braille and I had to ask someone from the Vision Center what in heck this contraction was because I didn't have it in school. Lol! HTH On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Triple J Shooter version 3
Hi, I have put a new file up on my site. File name wintjs3.exe File size 2.8 meg. In version 3 of Triple J Shooter I added a new mode and a new difficulty level. BTW You do not need to remove any old versions to install version 3. Just run the wintjs3.exe file to install the game. Hope you like the new features. BFN Jim May we kiss those we please, and please those we kiss. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Muhammed, Ummm...No. There actually is a grade 3 braille which is similar to grade 2 braille, but has about a dozen or so extra contractions as I understand it. I heard from the Ohio Vision Center about it so I'm pretty sure my source is reliable. Beyond that I don't know much more. However, you are right there is a computer braille, but as far as I know that isn't grade 3. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Graid 3 is computer brail. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
I'll say this much. At least Anna doesn't sound terminally depressed the way Sam does. Makes me wish I still had the parody file I created a few years ago where Sam committed suicide. Maybe I'll ask my friend Marissa if she's still got a copy... He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna much myself because I own better quality voices, but for a free voice it is pretty good. As for the Windows 7 interface it builds a lot upon changes introduced in Windows Vista, and is quite a bit different from Windows XP. If you haven't used Windows Vista prier to upgrading to Windows 7 then many of the changes will come as a surprise to you as things are somewhat different now. For example, when you bring up the start menu instead of a single menu or list the screen is split into columns with your frequently used programs, search field, all programs menu, etc on one side of the screen and your user directory, documents, control panel, etc on the other. It isn't difficult to navigate, but you will have to explore the new start menu some to figure out where things are. You may have to go into the start menu properties to turn some things on/off such as the run command if you want it. Another change is the old menu bars seen in older versions of Windows such as XP are pretty much a thing of the past. Now, the old menu bars have been replaced by the menu ribbins like those in Microsoft Office 2007 and Microsoft 2010. A lot of Microsoft's products are going that way, and that is the new look and feel you might say for all future software so you might as well get use to menu ribbins sooner or later. Another important change you'll have to get use to is a lot of the Windows 7 windows are integrated into Explorer, and have a web view look and feel to them. For example, if you click on control panel by default it will show up as a web page with links to click on to change security settings, user accounts, preferences, programs and features, etc. Way different from the control panel you know and love from XP that's for sure. I believe in some cases you can change it back to the XP look and feel, but in many of the cases you are stuck with the new look and feel. So bottom line if you come at Windows 7 expecting a newer version of XP forget it. Windows 7 is a whole new ball game, and needs to be treated as the new operating system that it is. Even Vista doesn't quite compare to Windows 7 because Microsoft majorly over halled the operating system removing several things that were in Vista to make it faster, more stable, support a wider range of hardware, etc while living up to being the first solid Windows operating system since XP. I'm quite happy with it, and don't mind leaving Xp behind. Finally, as for your audio games there are a few issues you need to be aware of, but in most cases they are easily fixed. One major issue is that most of the audio games out there from Draconis, L-Works, GMA, Kitchens Inc, etc were all written in Visual Basic 6 which is no longer officially supported on Windows 7. There is, however, an easy solution to the problem. If you download and install Jim Kitchens Winkit setup you will get the complete Visual Basic 6 runtime library and DirectX libraries which restores support on Windows 7 for Visual Basic applications. This means if you do that you should be able to run most of your pre-Windows 7 games without too much problem. Another issue is that Windows 7's security polacies have changed. Unfortunately, most game developers have not yet gotten around to rewriting or updating their software to properly support Windows 7's User Account Control security system. It is often responcibile for effecting the operation of several old games. One way to resolve this problem in the mean time is to disable UAC support on Windows 7. It will increase the risk of viruses and other malware, but on the other hand does resolve many compatibility issues with games and other older applications designed for Windows XP and earlier. Personally, I think that having UAC on provides a better layer of protection, but if you want to disable it to support older applications then it can be done. HTH On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: You're right Thomas, thanks for that I was outraged before about the prices! I wasn't going to pay 32£ odds for a voice which I can easilly access through Jaws. As I see it companies take advantage
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Exactly. This summer, July if I'm not mistaken, will mark three years ago that I finally made the switch to Window-Eyes, which I wouldn't have managed if it hadn't been for their payment plan. Well at least I can still use NeoSpeech Kate and Paul. They may have a few pronunciation issues but they're definitely great for when I want a break from Eloquence. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Uhm, yeah. Good thing you're not obligated to do that LOL. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Dark, Lol! Actually, I do see your point. I think the compromise may be to add a training mode for beginners. With Shades of Doom, Tank Commander, etc when you select the lowest difficulty level you are prompted if you want training mode. I could do the same thing with MOTA. While training mode is on it will announce where traps are, but if you select intermediate, advanced, or expert you won't get that option meaning you really must be an expert or advanced player to win. Same could be done for the suggestion to light a torch or something. I've noticed that gets to be annoying at times, and could be converted over to a training mode feature. What do you think? On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'm personally more in favour of it being in the beginner, and possibly easy difficulty settings but not in the others rather than being a toggle switch, sinse this allows players to get used to the game in early difficulty, but insures that experts have to truely master positioning and jumps. I personally think it'd be wrong if the game can be finished on expert with this option on. Pluss, this gives a nice distinguishing factor to the gameplay betwene different difficulties, insuring that playing on higher levels is not just a case of doing the same thing as on lower ones, but with more hard hitting enemies, thus insuring a longer play time in mastering this game. This is as I said though, just a personal view, I won't exactly be going on a massive vendetta if it doesn't make it into the game and a toggle switch is decided upon,. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Rail Racer did sort of explore that territory actually. Personally my idea was more along the lines of a blind version of The Simpsons where the blind folks would be more the Lisa types while the sighties would be more like Bart and Homer. Of course that wouldn't be entirely fair to the ones who recently lost their sight, since however much the sighted community might get things wrong where we're concerned they do deserve at least some compassion. But a blind protagonist isn't out of the question in some of my games, and not just having to do with blindness. Maybe I'll parody the misconception some sighted folks have that we're gifted with superpowers. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
There is a grade three but I don't believe I've ever seen anything written that way. Just the thought of all that game code written out in grade one braille is enough to make my blood run cold. And that's not even thinking of a program like, say the Microsoft Office suites. I imagine our games are small money compared to what the code for Microsoft Office would look like all written out in grade one. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Well at least you were able to get the components done that were necessary for this type of game. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi, Lol! That's stretching things quite a bit. I'd say with the engine written I should be able to have new games done round about three or four months with the engine depending whatever I need to code to make the new game. I may have to update the engine from time to time to add this or that feature as needed. As it is there are still things written in the .Net version of the engine I'll eventually have to port to C++ I just didn't take the time to do yet. What we have hear is a smaller verison of the engine, and before i do my next project I'll have to add some of the 3d commands and update the A.I. system for an FPS game. On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I did actually wonder Tom exactly how much of the code was the engine and how much was mota specific. I do now though have an idea of approximately how much easier things will be in the future for producing any other audio fps or similar now having the engine written. Btw, if you wrote thirteen thousand lines in a month, and mota takes up nine thousand, I duely expect usa games to be releasing 1 and a half games a month from now on? and no skimping on the halves! I'll be expecting to see the adventures of Angela Carters' legs! traversing ancient floors and booting centaurs where it hurts! ;D. Ps: needless to say, this isn't serious, stil I thought the coding average as compared to the amount of code taken for Mota itself was pretty impressive. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Lori, Well, if we are really honest about it though companies like Microsoft and Nuance are out to rip everyone off. The more and more I look around my country, the United States, I've found myself living in a corperation owned state were it is a dog eat dog world. Every major corperation and bank has the attitude it is their God given right to rip everyone off and not pay for it. When the government handed over a 750 billion dollar bale out plan to Wall Street big wigs like City Group, Goldman and Sax, Bank of America, and A.I.G. they pretty much said in effect who our government cares about, and it certainly was not the working middle class and the average American tax payer. Now, do we really expect our current president to help stop the curuption when Obama's number one financial backer was Goldman and Sax, and some of the very same crooks that got us into this mess do to their subprime lending crap? Sigh...I didn't mean to bring politics into this discussion, but I did want to make the point that companies here in the United States are pretty cutthroat. They'll cut anyone's throat if it will make them an extra buck or two. You and I are peons in the eyes of these corperations. What do they care when their C.E.O. is making a million bucks a day in some cases. The greed of these crooks makes you want to scream doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Lol would love to hear that one! They should play it in prisons to make people confess to wrong doings, have Sam read a long political document lasting 10 hours and see the result. Smile - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'll say this much. At least Anna doesn't sound terminally depressed the way Sam does. Makes me wish I still had the parody file I created a few years ago where Sam committed suicide. Maybe I'll ask my friend Marissa if she's still got a copy... He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna much myself because I own better quality voices, but for a free voice it is pretty good. As for the Windows 7 interface it builds a lot upon changes introduced in Windows Vista, and is quite a bit different from Windows XP. If you haven't used Windows Vista prier to upgrading to Windows 7 then many of the changes will come as a surprise to you as things are somewhat different now. For example, when you bring up the start menu instead of a single menu or list the screen is split into columns with your frequently used programs, search field, all programs menu, etc on one side of the screen and your user directory, documents, control panel, etc on the other. It isn't difficult to navigate, but you will have to explore the new start menu some to figure out where things are. You may have to go into the start menu properties to turn some things on/off such as the run command if you want it. Another change is the old menu bars seen in older versions of Windows such as XP are pretty much a thing of the past. Now, the old menu bars have been replaced by the menu ribbins like those in Microsoft Office 2007 and Microsoft 2010. A lot of Microsoft's products are going that way, and that is the new look and feel you might say for all future software so you might as well get use to menu ribbins sooner or later. Another important change you'll have to get use to is a lot of the Windows 7 windows are integrated into Explorer, and have a web view look and feel to them. For example, if you click on control panel by default it will show up as a web page with links to click on to change security settings, user accounts, preferences, programs and features, etc. Way different from the control panel you know and love from XP that's for sure. I believe in some cases you can change it back to the XP look and feel, but in many of the cases you are stuck with the new look and feel. So bottom line if you come at Windows 7 expecting a newer version of XP forget it. Windows 7 is a whole new ball game, and needs to be treated as the new operating system that it is. Even Vista doesn't quite compare to Windows 7 because Microsoft majorly over halled the operating system removing several things that were in Vista to make it faster, more stable, support a wider range of hardware, etc while living up to being the first solid Windows operating system since XP. I'm quite happy with it, and don't mind leaving Xp behind. Finally, as for your audio games there are a few issues you need to be aware of, but in most cases they are easily fixed. One major issue is that most of the audio games out there from Draconis, L-Works, GMA, Kitchens Inc, etc were all written in Visual Basic 6 which is no longer officially supported on Windows 7. There is, however, an easy solution to the problem. If you download and install Jim Kitchens Winkit setup you will get the complete Visual Basic 6 runtime library and DirectX libraries which restores support on Windows 7 for Visual Basic applications. This means if you do that you should be able to run most of your pre-Windows 7 games without too much problem. Another issue is that Windows 7's security polacies have changed. Unfortunately, most game developers have not yet gotten around to rewriting or updating their software to properly support Windows 7's User Account Control security system. It is often responcibile for effecting the operation of several old games. One way to resolve this problem in the mean time is to disable UAC support on Windows 7. It will increase the risk of viruses and other malware, but on the other hand does resolve many compatibility issues with games and other older applications designed for Windows XP and earlier. Personally, I think that having
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Lol Tom you could replace the I need a light with a really scared I can't see what's a head of me!! I'm going out of my mind!! Ok too much RPG for me today. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Dark, Lol! Actually, I do see your point. I think the compromise may be to add a training mode for beginners. With Shades of Doom, Tank Commander, etc when you select the lowest difficulty level you are prompted if you want training mode. I could do the same thing with MOTA. While training mode is on it will announce where traps are, but if you select intermediate, advanced, or expert you won't get that option meaning you really must be an expert or advanced player to win. Same could be done for the suggestion to light a torch or something. I've noticed that gets to be annoying at times, and could be converted over to a training mode feature. What do you think? On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'm personally more in favour of it being in the beginner, and possibly easy difficulty settings but not in the others rather than being a toggle switch, sinse this allows players to get used to the game in early difficulty, but insures that experts have to truely master positioning and jumps. I personally think it'd be wrong if the game can be finished on expert with this option on. Pluss, this gives a nice distinguishing factor to the gameplay betwene different difficulties, insuring that playing on higher levels is not just a case of doing the same thing as on lower ones, but with more hard hitting enemies, thus insuring a longer play time in mastering this game. This is as I said though, just a personal view, I won't exactly be going on a massive vendetta if it doesn't make it into the game and a toggle switch is decided upon,. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi, Yeah, although Microsoft Office is an unfair comparison since it is in effect several different programs rather than any specific program. Now, you want to say something like Final Fantasy 13 then you are talking a game that is probably well over 100,000 lines of code since RPG games are usually the most complex to create given the amount of variables changes in the game state. On 5/12/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: There is a grade three but I don't believe I've ever seen anything written that way. Just the thought of all that game code written out in grade one braille is enough to make my blood run cold. And that's not even thinking of a program like, say the Microsoft Office suites. I imagine our games are small money compared to what the code for Microsoft Office would look like all written out in grade one. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Good Day: Computer braille is a code to be used for programming material, rather like nemeth braille is used for mathematics and science. Grade 3 braille is a shorthand version of grade 2 braille with several hundred contractions (frankly, I am not familiar enough with this braille to give much information on it). Henry Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last. Sherlock Holmes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 14:13 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Muhammed, Ummm...No. There actually is a grade 3 braille which is similar to grade 2 braille, but has about a dozen or so extra contractions as I understand it. I heard from the Ohio Vision Center about it so I'm pretty sure my source is reliable. Beyond that I don't know much more. However, you are right there is a computer braille, but as far as I know that isn't grade 3. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Graid 3 is computer brail. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
These corporations treat their call center employees the same as they treat the competition and the customer. It's a dog eat dog corporate war, and the American people are the dog food. At the credit card call center I used to work at, the management always said that the employee is the backbone of our company, and we responded, Then quit breaking your back! They said that we have to look at the big picture; the entire window. We pointed out that a lot of big pictures are, after all, comprised of very small pieces that make the whole stronger, so how about taking care to retain that strength by taking good care of those little pieces? Tom: As far as USA Games Entertainment goes, thanks for taking care of the little pieces; the customers. Keeping us up to date on the current development of your games, keeping contact in a personal way as far as answering questions, and continuing to work on games that weren't even yours to begin with. How's that for a way to get from politics back to gaming? By the way, I didn't throw that in just to get back on topic. I meant it. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Well, if we are really honest about it though companies like Microsoft and Nuance are out to rip everyone off. The more and more I look around my country, the United States, I've found myself living in a corperation owned state were it is a dog eat dog world. Every major corperation and bank has the attitude it is their God given right to rip everyone off and not pay for it. When the government handed over a 750 billion dollar bale out plan to Wall Street big wigs like City Group, Goldman and Sax, Bank of America, and A.I.G. they pretty much said in effect who our government cares about, and it certainly was not the working middle class and the average American tax payer. Now, do we really expect our current president to help stop the curuption when Obama's number one financial backer was Goldman and Sax, and some of the very same crooks that got us into this mess do to their subprime lending crap? Sigh...I didn't mean to bring politics into this discussion, but I did want to make the point that companies here in the United States are pretty cutthroat. They'll cut anyone's throat if it will make them an extra buck or two. You and I are peons in the eyes of these corperations. What do they care when their C.E.O. is making a million bucks a day in some cases. The greed of these crooks makes you want to scream doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] program code in braille - Re: Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Or to see a program like JAWS written in grade 1 braille? Sheesh! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released There is a grade three but I don't believe I've ever seen anything written that way. Just the thought of all that game code written out in grade one braille is enough to make my blood run cold. And that's not even thinking of a program like, say the Microsoft Office suites. I imagine our games are small money compared to what the code for Microsoft Office would look like all written out in grade one. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
I like the idea of having the beginner level as a training mode if the gamer chooses, and having to light a torch in dark rooms. Any difficulty beyond the easy level should naturally be more difficult, so there should be no warning of traps from that point. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Dark, Lol! Actually, I do see your point. I think the compromise may be to add a training mode for beginners. With Shades of Doom, Tank Commander, etc when you select the lowest difficulty level you are prompted if you want training mode. I could do the same thing with MOTA. While training mode is on it will announce where traps are, but if you select intermediate, advanced, or expert you won't get that option meaning you really must be an expert or advanced player to win. Same could be done for the suggestion to light a torch or something. I've noticed that gets to be annoying at times, and could be converted over to a training mode feature. What do you think? On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'm personally more in favour of it being in the beginner, and possibly easy difficulty settings but not in the others rather than being a toggle switch, sinse this allows players to get used to the game in early difficulty, but insures that experts have to truely master positioning and jumps. I personally think it'd be wrong if the game can be finished on expert with this option on. Pluss, this gives a nice distinguishing factor to the gameplay betwene different difficulties, insuring that playing on higher levels is not just a case of doing the same thing as on lower ones, but with more hard hitting enemies, thus insuring a longer play time in mastering this game. This is as I said though, just a personal view, I won't exactly be going on a massive vendetta if it doesn't make it into the game and a toggle switch is decided upon,. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Yuck. I forgot about it all being grade 1 braille. It was just one of those crazy thoughts, anyway. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Uhm, yeah. Good thing you're not obligated to do that LOL. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] game review
hey have anyone play the new version of triple j shooter? to start this game is an adult game so if you are under the age of 18 then you don't need to play this gaem. but if you are older then the age then this game is for you. but for all you out their all you got to do is put that you are older then 18 to play. lets begin the review the new version is 3. and their is a couple of new things first their is a new mode call kiss. in this mode you use your mouth to kiss or lick the woman. and the next thing that was added was a new way to make the game harder. their was this mode is call stund mode in this mode the woman is moving around. i give this game a 10 the reason is because it is the first adult shooter and it got some nice sounds. for more reviews call 206-376-8794 that is call the game zone. we would love if some of the game makers would be the guest on the show. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
I wish the pulldown menus would return. I hate ribbons. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna much myself because I own better quality voices, but for a free voice it is pretty good. As for the Windows 7 interface it builds a lot upon changes introduced in Windows Vista, and is quite a bit different from Windows XP. If you haven't used Windows Vista prier to upgrading to Windows 7 then many of the changes will come as a surprise to you as things are somewhat different now. For example, when you bring up the start menu instead of a single menu or list the screen is split into columns with your frequently used programs, search field, all programs menu, etc on one side of the screen and your user directory, documents, control panel, etc on the other. It isn't difficult to navigate, but you will have to explore the new start menu some to figure out where things are. You may have to go into the start menu properties to turn some things on/off such as the run command if you want it. Another change is the old menu bars seen in older versions of Windows such as XP are pretty much a thing of the past. Now, the old menu bars have been replaced by the menu ribbins like those in Microsoft Office 2007 and Microsoft 2010. A lot of Microsoft's products are going that way, and that is the new look and feel you might say for all future software so you might as well get use to menu ribbins sooner or later. Another important change you'll have to get use to is a lot of the Windows 7 windows are integrated into Explorer, and have a web view look and feel to them. For example, if you click on control panel by default it will show up as a web page with links to click on to change security settings, user accounts, preferences, programs and features, etc. Way different from the control panel you know and love from XP that's for sure. I believe in some cases you can change it back to the XP look and feel, but in many of the cases you are stuck with the new look and feel. So bottom line if you come at Windows 7 expecting a newer version of XP forget it. Windows 7 is a whole new ball game, and needs to be treated as the new operating system that it is. Even Vista doesn't quite compare to Windows 7 because Microsoft majorly over halled the operating system removing several things that were in Vista to make it faster, more stable, support a wider range of hardware, etc while living up to being the first solid Windows operating system since XP. I'm quite happy with it, and don't mind leaving Xp behind. Finally, as for your audio games there are a few issues you need to be aware of, but in most cases they are easily fixed. One major issue is that most of the audio games out there from Draconis, L-Works, GMA, Kitchens Inc, etc were all written in Visual Basic 6 which is no longer officially supported on Windows 7. There is, however, an easy solution to the problem. If you download and install Jim Kitchens Winkit setup you will get the complete Visual Basic 6 runtime library and DirectX libraries which restores support on Windows 7 for Visual Basic applications. This means if you do that you should be able to run most of your pre-Windows 7 games without too much problem. Another issue is that Windows 7's security polacies have changed. Unfortunately, most game developers have not yet gotten around to rewriting or updating their software to properly support Windows 7's User Account Control security system. It is often responcibile for effecting the operation of several old games. One way to resolve this problem in the mean time is to disable UAC support on Windows 7. It will increase the risk of viruses and other malware, but on the other hand does resolve many compatibility issues with games and other older applications designed for Windows XP and earlier. Personally, I think that having UAC on provides a better layer of protection, but if you want to disable it to support older applications then it can be done. HTH On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: You're right Thomas, thanks for that I was outraged before about the prices! I wasn't going to pay 32£ odds for a voice which I can easilly access through Jaws. As I see it companies take advantage of their customers, if we buy a product we pay the money therefore it should be up to us what we do with it. On the other hand Microsoft should be giving out better Sappi voices, because even Microsoft Mary is starting to get on my nerves! I know they have a new Anna voice
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
That! really! stinks! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
There'l all the same, I think, polititions all hot air and empty words, no action in any of them. I think us blind lot get the worst deal, £20 odds for an audio book which the lucky sighted can get for £5.99, how is that fair? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Well, if we are really honest about it though companies like Microsoft and Nuance are out to rip everyone off. The more and more I look around my country, the United States, I've found myself living in a corperation owned state were it is a dog eat dog world. Every major corperation and bank has the attitude it is their God given right to rip everyone off and not pay for it. When the government handed over a 750 billion dollar bale out plan to Wall Street big wigs like City Group, Goldman and Sax, Bank of America, and A.I.G. they pretty much said in effect who our government cares about, and it certainly was not the working middle class and the average American tax payer. Now, do we really expect our current president to help stop the curuption when Obama's number one financial backer was Goldman and Sax, and some of the very same crooks that got us into this mess do to their subprime lending crap? Sigh...I didn't mean to bring politics into this discussion, but I did want to make the point that companies here in the United States are pretty cutthroat. They'll cut anyone's throat if it will make them an extra buck or two. You and I are peons in the eyes of these corperations. What do they care when their C.E.O. is making a million bucks a day in some cases. The greed of these crooks makes you want to scream doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Dog eat dog, sounds like a good audio game totle. Smile - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices These corporations treat their call center employees the same as they treat the competition and the customer. It's a dog eat dog corporate war, and the American people are the dog food. At the credit card call center I used to work at, the management always said that the employee is the backbone of our company, and we responded, Then quit breaking your back! They said that we have to look at the big picture; the entire window. We pointed out that a lot of big pictures are, after all, comprised of very small pieces that make the whole stronger, so how about taking care to retain that strength by taking good care of those little pieces? Tom: As far as USA Games Entertainment goes, thanks for taking care of the little pieces; the customers. Keeping us up to date on the current development of your games, keeping contact in a personal way as far as answering questions, and continuing to work on games that weren't even yours to begin with. How's that for a way to get from politics back to gaming? By the way, I didn't throw that in just to get back on topic. I meant it. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Well, if we are really honest about it though companies like Microsoft and Nuance are out to rip everyone off. The more and more I look around my country, the United States, I've found myself living in a corperation owned state were it is a dog eat dog world. Every major corperation and bank has the attitude it is their God given right to rip everyone off and not pay for it. When the government handed over a 750 billion dollar bale out plan to Wall Street big wigs like City Group, Goldman and Sax, Bank of America, and A.I.G. they pretty much said in effect who our government cares about, and it certainly was not the working middle class and the average American tax payer. Now, do we really expect our current president to help stop the curuption when Obama's number one financial backer was Goldman and Sax, and some of the very same crooks that got us into this mess do to their subprime lending crap? Sigh...I didn't mean to bring politics into this discussion, but I did want to make the point that companies here in the United States are pretty cutthroat. They'll cut anyone's throat if it will make them an extra buck or two. You and I are peons in the eyes of these corperations. What do they care when their C.E.O. is making a million bucks a day in some cases. The greed of these crooks makes you want to scream doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
I don't understand it, when I got my Jaws 10 cd it's 3 disks, my serial number, my realspeak sollow direct and the actual Jaws program, no free disk? - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game review
I think that shouldn't be included on this list, in my book it seems quite hmmm uncooth, but that's just my view. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: [Audyssey] game review hey have anyone play the new version of triple j shooter? to start this game is an adult game so if you are under the age of 18 then you don't need to play this gaem. but if you are older then the age then this game is for you. but for all you out their all you got to do is put that you are older then 18 to play. lets begin the review the new version is 3. and their is a couple of new things first their is a new mode call kiss. in this mode you use your mouth to kiss or lick the woman. and the next thing that was added was a new way to make the game harder. their was this mode is call stund mode in this mode the woman is moving around. i give this game a 10 the reason is because it is the first adult shooter and it got some nice sounds. for more reviews call 206-376-8794 that is call the game zone. we would love if some of the game makers would be the guest on the show. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game review
In my opinion, any game designed for the blind should be allowed to be discussed. If there is one that disgusts or offends me, I figure that I don't have to buy it, and I can always delete the messages about it with the delete key. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game review I think that shouldn't be included on this list, in my book it seems quite hmmm uncooth, but that's just my view. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: [Audyssey] game review hey have anyone play the new version of triple j shooter? to start this game is an adult game so if you are under the age of 18 then you don't need to play this gaem. but if you are older then the age then this game is for you. but for all you out their all you got to do is put that you are older then 18 to play. lets begin the review the new version is 3. and their is a couple of new things first their is a new mode call kiss. in this mode you use your mouth to kiss or lick the woman. and the next thing that was added was a new way to make the game harder. their was this mode is call stund mode in this mode the woman is moving around. i give this game a 10 the reason is because it is the first adult shooter and it got some nice sounds. for more reviews call 206-376-8794 that is call the game zone. we would love if some of the game makers would be the guest on the show. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Actually tom as I said, that's stil a pretty good schedule when considdering that it takes developers like gma, Draconis and such a couple of years to come up with a new game. Entombed's developement has been staggeringly quick, but even that has taken a solid two years of work from initial writing of the engine, and there are stil several bugs to be ironed out. So the speculation of roughly a game in six months (given testing, debugging, finding sounds etc), seems really quite good going in terms of release schedules. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi, Lol! That's stretching things quite a bit. I'd say with the engine written I should be able to have new games done round about three or four months with the engine depending whatever I need to code to make the new game. I may have to update the engine from time to time to add this or that feature as needed. As it is there are still things written in the .Net version of the engine I'll eventually have to port to C++ I just didn't take the time to do yet. What we have hear is a smaller verison of the engine, and before i do my next project I'll have to add some of the 3d commands and update the A.I. system for an FPS game. On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I did actually wonder Tom exactly how much of the code was the engine and how much was mota specific. I do now though have an idea of approximately how much easier things will be in the future for producing any other audio fps or similar now having the engine written. Btw, if you wrote thirteen thousand lines in a month, and mota takes up nine thousand, I duely expect usa games to be releasing 1 and a half games a month from now on? and no skimping on the halves! I'll be expecting to see the adventures of Angela Carters' legs! traversing ancient floors and booting centaurs where it hurts! ;D. Ps: needless to say, this isn't serious, stil I thought the coding average as compared to the amount of code taken for Mota itself was pretty impressive. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hmmm, that sounds an interesting idea for people like myself who learnt graide two braille at the same time they learnt to read. I suspect I'd need a check list to consult, but whether the Grade three braille starts being produced over here I'm not sure. Besides, I must confess now that portable audio formats are so much easier than lumping a tape recorder around, I do generally read in audio. i have read books in braille but though I have recently heard of a bar code reading device which sounded rather promising in this respect. Beware the Grue! Dark.more as a method to get access to certain titles I wouldn't get otherwise than by choice. ~saying that though, i stil! happen to think that braille is the best way of labling cds, computer games, dvds, cooke appliences etc, that I've found. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Lori, Yep. Sure is. It has been around for a few years, but grade 2 is stil the standard for most braille publications because many braille users haven't updated their braille skills and still are not aware of the new braille contractions. However, grade 3 is now being taught to new braille students, and builds upon grade 2. I'm not familiar with all the new braille contractions myself but one I remember from my brief course was the chch contraction for church and a couple of others like that. No big deal really, but would throw you off if you were reading along and saw them in a book or magazine. Actually, I did see a couple of magazines that use grade 3 braille and I had to ask someone from the Vision Center what in heck this contraction was because I didn't have it in school. Lol! HTH On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Well tom, it depends upon how extensive you want this option to be. a training mode as in shades where the monsters don't move which finishes after the first level,. seems a different idea from say having certain help features and difficulty level tweaks in the main game, sinse obviously you couldn't be allowd to play through the entire game with unmoving monsters and obviously announced traps. I do like the idea of beginner or easy having changes in gameplay though as I said, sinse mastering the game without those changes provides extra challenge at higher levels. so for instance on beginner you could get double amo pick up from packs (not unlimited that'd be a cheat, just more plentiful amo so you can work out weapon range), announcements of all traps and gaps, and infinite burning torches. On easy, you go back to normal amounts of amo and normal torch use, but keep the trap warnings. Intermediate you lose the trap warnings accept for firepits. Expert you get no warnings and need to do everything by sound. a setup something like that would hopefully have the desired effect, and insure that there was a range of difficulty levels which players could go through progressively. Beware the Grue! Dark.climb, - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Dark, Lol! Actually, I do see your point. I think the compromise may be to add a training mode for beginners. With Shades of Doom, Tank Commander, etc when you select the lowest difficulty level you are prompted if you want training mode. I could do the same thing with MOTA. While training mode is on it will announce where traps are, but if you select intermediate, advanced, or expert you won't get that option meaning you really must be an expert or advanced player to win. Same could be done for the suggestion to light a torch or something. I've noticed that gets to be annoying at times, and could be converted over to a training mode feature. What do you think? On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'm personally more in favour of it being in the beginner, and possibly easy difficulty settings but not in the others rather than being a toggle switch, sinse this allows players to get used to the game in early difficulty, but insures that experts have to truely master positioning and jumps. I personally think it'd be wrong if the game can be finished on expert with this option on. Pluss, this gives a nice distinguishing factor to the gameplay betwene different difficulties, insuring that playing on higher levels is not just a case of doing the same thing as on lower ones, but with more hard hitting enemies, thus insuring a longer play time in mastering this game. This is as I said though, just a personal view, I won't exactly be going on a massive vendetta if it doesn't make it into the game and a toggle switch is decided upon,. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I will confess that while I do admire the Us atitudes on disability, this is something I like a good deal less, though I freely admit I'm rather leaning leftwards myself. Saying that, the english government (or excuse for such we have at the moment), can't really claime to be too much bettter when their privatizing national contracts and services like nobody's business. But before I turn this into a left wing liberal wrant I'll stop. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Well, if we are really honest about it though companies like Microsoft and Nuance are out to rip everyone off. The more and more I look around my country, the United States, I've found myself living in a corperation owned state were it is a dog eat dog world. Every major corperation and bank has the attitude it is their God given right to rip everyone off and not pay for it. When the government handed over a 750 billion dollar bale out plan to Wall Street big wigs like City Group, Goldman and Sax, Bank of America, and A.I.G. they pretty much said in effect who our government cares about, and it certainly was not the working middle class and the average American tax payer. Now, do we really expect our current president to help stop the curuption when Obama's number one financial backer was Goldman and Sax, and some of the very same crooks that got us into this mess do to their subprime lending crap? Sigh...I didn't mean to bring politics into this discussion, but I did want to make the point that companies here in the United States are pretty cutthroat. They'll cut anyone's throat if it will make them an extra buck or two. You and I are peons in the eyes of these corperations. What do they care when their C.E.O. is making a million bucks a day in some cases. The greed of these crooks makes you want to scream doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think that would count as cruel and unusual punishment ;D. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Lol would love to hear that one! They should play it in prisons to make people confess to wrong doings, have Sam read a long political document lasting 10 hours and see the result. Smile - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'll say this much. At least Anna doesn't sound terminally depressed the way Sam does. Makes me wish I still had the parody file I created a few years ago where Sam committed suicide. Maybe I'll ask my friend Marissa if she's still got a copy... He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna much myself because I own better quality voices, but for a free voice it is pretty good. As for the Windows 7 interface it builds a lot upon changes introduced in Windows Vista, and is quite a bit different from Windows XP. If you haven't used Windows Vista prier to upgrading to Windows 7 then many of the changes will come as a surprise to you as things are somewhat different now. For example, when you bring up the start menu instead of a single menu or list the screen is split into columns with your frequently used programs, search field, all programs menu, etc on one side of the screen and your user directory, documents, control panel, etc on the other. It isn't difficult to navigate, but you will have to explore the new start menu some to figure out where things are. You may have to go into the start menu properties to turn some things on/off such as the run command if you want it. Another change is the old menu bars seen in older versions of Windows such as XP are pretty much a thing of the past. Now, the old menu bars have been replaced by the menu ribbins like those in Microsoft Office 2007 and Microsoft 2010. A lot of Microsoft's products are going that way, and that is the new look and feel you might say for all future software so you might as well get use to menu ribbins sooner or later. Another important change you'll have to get use to is a lot of the Windows 7 windows are integrated into Explorer, and have a web view look and feel to them. For example, if you click on control panel by default it will show up as a web page with links to click on to change security settings, user accounts, preferences, programs and features, etc. Way different from the control panel you know and love from XP that's for sure. I believe in some cases you can change it back to the XP look and feel, but in many of the cases you are stuck with the new look and feel. So bottom line if you come at Windows 7 expecting a newer version of XP forget it. Windows 7 is a whole new ball game, and needs to be treated as the new operating system that it is. Even Vista doesn't quite compare to Windows 7 because Microsoft majorly over halled the operating system removing several things that were in Vista to make it faster, more stable, support a wider range of hardware, etc while living up to being the first solid Windows operating system since XP. I'm quite happy with it, and don't mind leaving Xp behind. Finally, as for your audio games there are a few issues you need to be aware of, but in most cases they are easily fixed. One major issue is that most of the audio games out there from Draconis, L-Works, GMA, Kitchens Inc, etc were all written in Visual Basic 6 which is no longer officially supported on Windows 7. There is, however, an easy solution to the problem. If you download and install Jim Kitchens Winkit setup you will get the complete Visual Basic 6 runtime library and DirectX libraries which restores support on Windows 7 for Visual Basic applications. This means if you do that you should be able to run most of your pre-Windows 7 games without too much problem. Another issue is that Windows 7's security polacies have changed. Unfortunately, most game developers have not yet gotten around to rewriting or updating their software to properly support Windows 7's User Account Control security system. It is often responcibile for effecting the operation of several old games. One way to resolve this
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Generally charles, this is a really nice thing about all indi games developement generally, accessible or otherwise. the devs are accessible (ha ha), to suggestions, feedback and ideas from customers, they're not forced to work by the corprate whip, and can considder factors like game access. Just look at Niels bauer and eaccess in the smugglers and Tv manager game as a good example, then compare this to capcom, sony, or any other of the multi million monstrosities! Methinks I need say no more. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
I'm downloading one of them now as I write this. I probably shouldn't have forked over the cash just now but I was impressed enough with the quality. It's an Irish voice named Catelynn. It's unfortunate though that the celebrity voices offered as samples are apparently not available for purchase. It'd be funny to draft Barak Obama as a voice in Window-Eyes or even some of my games. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
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That would one voice that I would immediately delete! I would like to see the person deleted from our Presidency, too! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'm downloading one of them now as I write this. I probably shouldn't have forked over the cash just now but I was impressed enough with the quality. It's an Irish voice named Catelynn. It's unfortunate though that the celebrity voices offered as samples are apparently not available for purchase. It'd be funny to draft Barak Obama as a voice in Window-Eyes or even some of my games. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
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I'm no supporter of his either. That's why I think it'd be funny to use him in my screen reader. He could do soemthing useful for a change. But I'll shut up now lest I draw the discussion to actual politics, a subject which I generally hate with a burning, fiery passion. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices That would one voice that I would immediately delete! I would like to see the person deleted from our Presidency, too! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'm downloading one of them now as I write this. I probably shouldn't have forked over the cash just now but I was impressed enough with the quality. It's an Irish voice named Catelynn. It's unfortunate though that the celebrity voices offered as samples are apparently not available for purchase. It'd be funny to draft Barak Obama as a voice in Window-Eyes or even some of my games. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Brian, Awww...you don't like politics? I love it, and if Obama was deleted I wouldn't cry...but I digress. That would be funny. Could you imagine him in entombed, announcing that Alissa had cast ra of destrucution? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'm no supporter of his either. That's why I think it'd be funny to use him in my screen reader. He could do soemthing useful for a change. But I'll shut up now lest I draw the discussion to actual politics, a subject which I generally hate with a burning, fiery passion. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices That would one voice that I would immediately delete! I would like to see the person deleted from our Presidency, too! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'm downloading one of them now as I write this. I probably shouldn't have forked over the cash just now but I was impressed enough with the quality. It's an Irish voice named Catelynn. It's unfortunate though that the celebrity voices offered as samples are apparently not available for purchase. It'd be funny to draft Barak Obama as a voice in Window-Eyes or even some of my games. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi, How many terrists are in on it? I don't know! I'll never tell you! Well then...let's just see how you fair under the torture of...SAPI voices! Two minutes Later... I'll tell you! Don't play anymore! Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:32 PM To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I think that would count as cruel and unusual punishment ;D. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Lol would love to hear that one! They should play it in prisons to make people confess to wrong doings, have Sam read a long political document lasting 10 hours and see the result. Smile - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'll say this much. At least Anna doesn't sound terminally depressed the way Sam does. Makes me wish I still had the parody file I created a few years ago where Sam committed suicide. Maybe I'll ask my friend Marissa if she's still got a copy... He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna much myself because I own better quality voices, but for a free voice it is pretty good. As for the Windows 7 interface it builds a lot upon changes introduced in Windows Vista, and is quite a bit different from Windows XP. If you haven't used Windows Vista prier to upgrading to Windows 7 then many of the changes will come as a surprise to you as things are somewhat different now. For example, when you bring up the start menu instead of a single menu or list the screen is split into columns with your frequently used programs, search field, all programs menu, etc on one side of the screen and your user directory, documents, control panel, etc on the other. It isn't difficult to navigate, but you will have to explore the new start menu some to figure out where things are. You may have to go into the start menu properties to turn some things on/off such as the run command if you want it. Another change is the old menu bars seen in older versions of Windows such as XP are pretty much a thing of the past. Now, the old menu bars have been replaced by the menu ribbins like those in Microsoft Office 2007 and Microsoft 2010. A lot of Microsoft's products are going that way, and that is the new look and feel you might say for all future software so you might as well get use to menu ribbins sooner or later. Another important change you'll have to get use to is a lot of the Windows 7 windows are integrated into Explorer, and have a web view look and feel to them. For example, if you click on control panel by default it will show up as a web page with links to click on to change security settings, user accounts, preferences, programs and features, etc. Way different from the control panel you know and love from XP that's for sure. I believe in some cases you can change it back to the XP look and feel, but in many of the cases you are stuck with the new look and feel. So bottom line if you come at Windows 7 expecting a newer version of XP forget it. Windows 7 is a whole new ball game, and needs to be treated as the new operating system that it is. Even Vista doesn't quite compare to Windows 7 because Microsoft majorly over halled the operating system removing several things that were in Vista to make it faster, more stable, support a wider range of hardware, etc while living up to being the first solid Windows operating system since XP. I'm quite happy with it, and don't mind leaving Xp behind. Finally, as for your audio games there are a few issues you need to be aware of, but in most cases they are easily fixed. One major issue is that most of the audio games out there from Draconis, L-Works, GMA, Kitchens Inc, etc were all written in Visual Basic 6 which is no longer officially supported on Windows 7. There is, however, an easy solution to the problem. If you download and install Jim Kitchens Winkit setup you will get the complete Visual Basic 6 runtime library and DirectX libraries which restores support on Windows 7 for Visual Basic
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi, CHCH for church? Lol...interesting. I'd be like you myself Tom, since like Dark I was taught grade 2 at the same time I learned to read. I also do not like UEB. The BrailleNote supports it now, but you can't use dot 6 n for A T I O N anymore, for some reason it sees it as a capital n. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hmmm, that sounds an interesting idea for people like myself who learnt graide two braille at the same time they learnt to read. I suspect I'd need a check list to consult, but whether the Grade three braille starts being produced over here I'm not sure. Besides, I must confess now that portable audio formats are so much easier than lumping a tape recorder around, I do generally read in audio. i have read books in braille but though I have recently heard of a bar code reading device which sounded rather promising in this respect. Beware the Grue! Dark.more as a method to get access to certain titles I wouldn't get otherwise than by choice. ~saying that though, i stil! happen to think that braille is the best way of labling cds, computer games, dvds, cooke appliences etc, that I've found. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Lori, Yep. Sure is. It has been around for a few years, but grade 2 is stil the standard for most braille publications because many braille users haven't updated their braille skills and still are not aware of the new braille contractions. However, grade 3 is now being taught to new braille students, and builds upon grade 2. I'm not familiar with all the new braille contractions myself but one I remember from my brief course was the chch contraction for church and a couple of others like that. No big deal really, but would throw you off if you were reading along and saw them in a book or magazine. Actually, I did see a couple of magazines that use grade 3 braille and I had to ask someone from the Vision Center what in heck this contraction was because I didn't have it in school. Lol! HTH On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game review
Hi Lori, I don't know why you say that now, since we've discussed this game at least a month ago. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lori Duncan Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game review I think that shouldn't be included on this list, in my book it seems quite hmmm uncooth, but that's just my view. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: [Audyssey] game review hey have anyone play the new version of triple j shooter? to start this game is an adult game so if you are under the age of 18 then you don't need to play this gaem. but if you are older then the age then this game is for you. but for all you out their all you got to do is put that you are older then 18 to play. lets begin the review the new version is 3. and their is a couple of new things first their is a new mode call kiss. in this mode you use your mouth to kiss or lick the woman. and the next thing that was added was a new way to make the game harder. their was this mode is call stund mode in this mode the woman is moving around. i give this game a 10 the reason is because it is the first adult shooter and it got some nice sounds. for more reviews call 206-376-8794 that is call the game zone. we would love if some of the game makers would be the guest on the show. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi, I must correct you all--it's computer Braille, not grade 1 braille. There's a huge difference in punctuation and mathematics, which is completely! Necessary for writing out source code. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Yuck. I forgot about it all being grade 1 braille. It was just one of those crazy thoughts, anyway. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Uhm, yeah. Good thing you're not obligated to do that LOL. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Thomas, Yes...I saw one RPG game, which gave a complete number of lines of code required, and it was 24000 lines of C ++ code. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi, Yeah, although Microsoft Office is an unfair comparison since it is in effect several different programs rather than any specific program. Now, you want to say something like Final Fantasy 13 then you are talking a game that is probably well over 100,000 lines of code since RPG games are usually the most complex to create given the amount of variables changes in the game state. On 5/12/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: There is a grade three but I don't believe I've ever seen anything written that way. Just the thought of all that game code written out in grade one braille is enough to make my blood run cold. And that's not even thinking of a program like, say the Microsoft Office suites. I imagine our games are small money compared to what the code for Microsoft Office would look like all written out in grade one. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Dark, The flaw I have with this is, how do you intend to work out the torch problem? I'm sure it wouldn't be infinitely difficult, but if you have an infinitely burning torch, then all the torches you'll pick up during the game seem pointless. The other thing is that I only play the easy difficulty because of the difficulty of the monsters, and I'd have to commit suicide for the sole purpose of not hearing look out! every time I end up by a fire pit I've already figured out anyway. Still leaning towards the option in the programs menu, though I think it should only apply for easy and normal. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:27 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Well tom, it depends upon how extensive you want this option to be. a training mode as in shades where the monsters don't move which finishes after the first level,. seems a different idea from say having certain help features and difficulty level tweaks in the main game, sinse obviously you couldn't be allowd to play through the entire game with unmoving monsters and obviously announced traps. I do like the idea of beginner or easy having changes in gameplay though as I said, sinse mastering the game without those changes provides extra challenge at higher levels. so for instance on beginner you could get double amo pick up from packs (not unlimited that'd be a cheat, just more plentiful amo so you can work out weapon range), announcements of all traps and gaps, and infinite burning torches. On easy, you go back to normal amounts of amo and normal torch use, but keep the trap warnings. Intermediate you lose the trap warnings accept for firepits. Expert you get no warnings and need to do everything by sound. a setup something like that would hopefully have the desired effect, and insure that there was a range of difficulty levels which players could go through progressively. Beware the Grue! Dark.climb, - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Dark, Lol! Actually, I do see your point. I think the compromise may be to add a training mode for beginners. With Shades of Doom, Tank Commander, etc when you select the lowest difficulty level you are prompted if you want training mode. I could do the same thing with MOTA. While training mode is on it will announce where traps are, but if you select intermediate, advanced, or expert you won't get that option meaning you really must be an expert or advanced player to win. Same could be done for the suggestion to light a torch or something. I've noticed that gets to be annoying at times, and could be converted over to a training mode feature. What do you think? On 5/11/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'm personally more in favour of it being in the beginner, and possibly easy difficulty settings but not in the others rather than being a toggle switch, sinse this allows players to get used to the game in early difficulty, but insures that experts have to truely master positioning and jumps. I personally think it'd be wrong if the game can be finished on expert with this option on. Pluss, this gives a nice distinguishing factor to the gameplay betwene different difficulties, insuring that playing on higher levels is not just a case of doing the same thing as on lower ones, but with more hard hitting enemies, thus insuring a longer play time in mastering this game. This is as I said though, just a personal view, I won't exactly be going on a massive vendetta if it doesn't make it into the game and a toggle switch is decided upon,. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi, Lol...I use to always get the so the cane helps you see?. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:24 PM To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Rail Racer did sort of explore that territory actually. Personally my idea was more along the lines of a blind version of The Simpsons where the blind folks would be more the Lisa types while the sighties would be more like Bart and Homer. Of course that wouldn't be entirely fair to the ones who recently lost their sight, since however much the sighted community might get things wrong where we're concerned they do deserve at least some compassion. But a blind protagonist isn't out of the question in some of my games, and not just having to do with blindness. Maybe I'll parody the misconception some sighted folks have that we're gifted with superpowers. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague has devistated the land the sighted community awakes to find itself totally without sight, so it's then up to the blind to rule the world. Smile - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] types of braille - Re: Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Grade 1 braille is the first grate of braille learned, in which what you read is spelled out letter by letter, with no contractions. Computer braille is written as grade one braille for the most part, but also has symbols indicating things like What you're about to read is the beginning of a line of information shown on the computer monitor., the text is continued on the next line., This is the end of the computer braille. and so on. I personally find computer braille a waste, as all they would have to do would be to put it in quotes. They also change some of the symbols needlessly. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi, I must correct you all--it's computer Braille, not grade 1 braille. There's a huge difference in punctuation and mathematics, which is completely! Necessary for writing out source code. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Yuck. I forgot about it all being grade 1 braille. It was just one of those crazy thoughts, anyway. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Uhm, yeah. Good thing you're not obligated to do that LOL. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the
Re: [Audyssey] types of braille - Re: Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hi Charles, No, they did not change them needlessly at all. The first thing to realize is that computer Braille is in nimith code mathematically, which is more practical since you don't have to use the number sign. Take the parenthesis for example, now we not only do we have open and close parentheses, but we had to change them because of the number 7. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:40 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] types of braille - Re: Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Grade 1 braille is the first grate of braille learned, in which what you read is spelled out letter by letter, with no contractions. Computer braille is written as grade one braille for the most part, but also has symbols indicating things like What you're about to read is the beginning of a line of information shown on the computer monitor., the text is continued on the next line., This is the end of the computer braille. and so on. I personally find computer braille a waste, as all they would have to do would be to put it in quotes. They also change some of the symbols needlessly. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi, I must correct you all--it's computer Braille, not grade 1 braille. There's a huge difference in punctuation and mathematics, which is completely! Necessary for writing out source code. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Yuck. I forgot about it all being grade 1 braille. It was just one of those crazy thoughts, anyway. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Uhm, yeah. Good thing you're not obligated to do that LOL. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released Hi Charles, Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which would cost serious money. Plus let's not forget this all would be grade 1 braille, not grade 2 or grade 3 braille, which means no contractions etc to save space. Since programming depends largely on symbols, unusual variable names, and math formulas grade 1 is the way it has to be. Smile. On 5/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Out of curiosity, for backups, do you have your code in braille? It would be a time consuming beach to recopy all of it, but it could be done. Hmm. I wonder how many pages that would be? Maybe about 1,000 or so? And to think, that would be just one game! Gad! --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
HI Thomas, That's exactly why I have to keep the JAWS 9 CD around. I don't use the Scansoft voices often, but I always use them with Jim's games as well as RailRacer. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Thomas, And you know, the first time I heard that, it cleared up a lot of things. I never understood why Freedom Scientific ended up making these massive downloads to realspeak solo direct, until I heard that. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi, I'd highly recommend that you don't buy the Scansoft Real Speak voices from Nextup.com and here is why. As I understand it a while backNuance, the company that owns Scansoft, has changed the way it licences its Real Speak voices. Under the new licensing scheme the products must be purchased by a company and then locked specifically to that product. In other words if you buy Scansoft Karen, Tom, whatever from Nextup.com those will only work with Nextup.com's products such as Text Aloud, Weather Aloud, and News Aloud. You can not turn around and use it with Window-Eyes, Jaws, or your favorite game by Jim Kitchen, because they are no longer, strictly speaking, Sapi voices. They must be accessed using a specific product, and only that specific product through a special license. So if you want to use Scansoft Tom, Daniel, Karen, etc with Jaws 11 you must license the voice through Freedom Scientific for Jaws. If you want to use those voices with Text Aloud you have to turn around and license a copy of those voices through Nextup.com specifically for that product. In short, those voices are going to cost you dearly to have, and I am vvery glad that I managed to purchase those voices when Jaws 8 and Openbook 8 came out when they were still Sapi voices and not under the new more restrictive license. I hate to say it, but at this point I don't know of any legal way to get the older Sapi 5 voices without resorting to outright piracy, and it seams to me to be the logical result of this kind of radical, money grabbing, greedy, unfair change in licensing. Normally I don't advocate software piracy, but when a company makes this kind of idiotic polacy I don't feel a bit sorry if it happens to them. It is one thing to charge once for a product that you can use with most of your software, but quite another when the license basically forces you to purchase a copy for each and every product you intend to use it with. This is criminal in my book, and the company does not deserve any mor of our business until they shape up and change their polacy. I could be wrong about all this, but it seams odd to me that the Scansoft and Nuance web sites no longer have the Real Speak voices for sale on their web site like the use to. When I check Nextup.com they say right on the web site that these voices will only work with Nextup.com products. Go to Freedom Scientific, guess what, all of the new Scansoft voice downloads only work with Jaws and not anything else. So what is really going on here? On 5/12/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: The only place I know of is www.nextup.com. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my thoughts
Hi Lori, It is in 2D, just like the GMA games. There's a page on audiogames.net if you want to koow more. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lori Duncan Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:02 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my thoughts Hi, is this game Text based or one like GMA with voice acting and movement in 3D? - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: [Audyssey] my thoughts my thought on the last crusade is this. it could be longer instead of three stages. which means it could have at least a couple of more stages. the fights was nice i like that the battles was random what i mean is when you fight you might lose one time and then the next time you might win. i enjoy the music it kind of remind me of the zelda music and the final fantasy music. i also enjoy the voice acting. the guy who did that did a great job. someone tell me was that the same person who made the game? on the game they could have you travel in a tomb and the fight the boss in the grave yard. they could have you go into a cabin and fight the first boss. but other then this review i give this game a five out of ten. i will start to bring more game review for all of you out their. and please check out the game zone at 206-376-8794 to get all type of reviews and cheats and info about upcoming games. and interviews with some of the game makers and game players. and yes you can listen to the show on skype. so call -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
I use them for other applications as well. I'm keeping that CD! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices HI Thomas, That's exactly why I have to keep the JAWS 9 CD around. I don't use the Scansoft voices often, but I always use them with Jim's games as well as RailRacer. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Muhammed, Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more. Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user per say, I am extremely offended by that change in polacy. if I buy it I better be able to use it with whatever screen reader I choose regardless of license agreement or greedy polacy. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2 cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side. When you install that, it would work with everything! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] q9
Hi, Please post the thing to the entire list, I can't seem to finish that death world, and sometimes I don't make it past the mountain world! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Castanedagarcia_Alfredo Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:12 PM To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] q9 I will be glad to provide you the entire game review when I buy the game in a few weeks. It will contain all four worlds, and will be on the easy difficulty. I am one of those who do not like demo reviews. I will let you know when I have completed it. Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a shortened to do list - Re: Mota interuptions
Hi Charles, Lol...interesting. Only problem is, you don't add weapons to levels, it's random. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:04 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] a shortened to do list - Re: Mota interuptions Without giving away the location of traps and treasures, maybe you could list them as, for example, added traps on level 1 or added weapons in level 3? Now, to be ornery, to see who pays attention, you could add something like this to the change log: added traps and treasures to level 4. Don't mention that levels 3 or 4 have been added. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions Hi Dark, Oh, that's okay. I do understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to sound quite so irritable yesterday, but sometimes it does get to be slightly frustrating to recieve several messages in a row on a particular bug or problem with the game or a product. Especially, when the changes.txt file is there to tell customers what has been fixed, and what hasn't been fixed. If a particular bug isn't in the changes.txt file than it is safe to say that problem hasnt' yet been addressed for one reason or another. Perhaps one way to solve this problem is to ship a shortened todo.txt file with the game so customers can see what changes are scheduled for the next release ahead of time. That would save us both duplicating requests and scheduling in advance. However, as I said though it would have to be a shortened version of the todo list as there are things in there I wouldn't necessarily want the public to view such as the location of a new trap, or some plans for a hidden lever/pressure switch that should be found by the player. Such hints would give too many secrets away from the paying customers. Plus I sometimes often change my todo list midway through development as a bug or problem crops up during public testing that take spriority over whatever is in the todo file. Anyway, it is funny you should mention the pause key. As it turns out it isn't working in beta 12, and I never noticed as I never use that command much myself. So I completely understand how a developer can overlook something like that. If the developer doesn't use it, doesn't really need it, it takes someone else to point it out to him/her that the pause key is not working. I imagine the same bug was present in beta 11 as well, but nobody noticed until now. So, yes, we developers do have a way of overlooking the obvious stuff sometimes. Just talking to Phil yesterday showed me the proof of that. Here I had designed a speed attribute into the engine to give each and every player and enemy a maximum speed, and yet never used it in Mysteries of the Ancients. I just set all of the enemies default speed to 1 which is pretty slow. It would have made more sense to make the centaurs and harpies move fairly fast while skeletons and zombies fairly slow. Sounds obvious now, but in the haste of developing the game, porting the engine from .Net to C++, etc something that miner never even entered my mind. Was too much to do than to think about weather or not this or that enemy should move quickly or slowly. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Inquiries
Hi Thomas, While I didn't read the people (I am in the lot of people category who read the manual cover to cover twice, ok, maybe three times at most) then never look it at again. However, I did check the information section in the help, and I didn't see it there either. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:02 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Inquiries Hi Hayden, In fact, I did as i checked the manual after you asked. It was right there int the keyboard reference section. However, a lot of good that does when people forget to read the manual. Smile. On 5/10/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Lol..you just might have. I just never looked. Grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] sequel to game
Hi Michael, Not really. That series would be...yaawawawawn...borring? King Lasaras has returned from the dead! King Lasaras has returned from the dead...again! For the fourth book, called the Last Last Last Last Crusade, King lasaras has...you already know it...returned from the dead! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mike Maslo Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:06 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] sequel to game Can someone tell me where I can get that from? That is where I can get the last crusaders from? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:41 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] sequel to game hey is their going to be a sequel to the last crusade? they could make a game series out of it. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] some body answer this
Hi Michael, As I have no experience with the IPhone, I have no idea as to what accessible games are out there for it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:39 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] some body answer this hey hayden. do you know if papa sangre is the first accessible game for the iphone? i know there is some video games that some what work with voice over but they only work half of the time. that is why i ask. i went to the site but it was hard to move around . -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
Hello, Computer braille is also referred to as grade 0 braille because it does not use any relational symbols such as #a for 1 or dots 2 5 6 at the end of a word for period. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 5/13/2010 8:13 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, Ummm...No. There actually is a grade 3 braille which is similar to grade 2 braille, but has about a dozen or so extra contractions as I understand it. I heard from the Ohio Vision Center about it so I'm pretty sure my source is reliable. Beyond that I don't know much more. However, you are right there is a computer braille, but as far as I know that isn't grade 3. On 5/12/10, Muhammed Denizmuhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Graid 3 is computer brail. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] sequel to game
hey hayden was you just being a smart mouth or is their really a book? or is it a game? if so where can i get it? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Actually the voice i'd really like to see as a screen reader voice would have to be either Homer Simpson or Ned Flanders. Now that would be funny. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Brian, Awww...you don't like politics? I love it, and if Obama was deleted I wouldn't cry...but I digress. That would be funny. Could you imagine him in entombed, announcing that Alissa had cast ra of destrucution? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'm no supporter of his either. That's why I think it'd be funny to use him in my screen reader. He could do soemthing useful for a change. But I'll shut up now lest I draw the discussion to actual politics, a subject which I generally hate with a burning, fiery passion. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices That would one voice that I would immediately delete! I would like to see the person deleted from our Presidency, too! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices I'm downloading one of them now as I write this. I probably shouldn't have forked over the cash just now but I was impressed enough with the quality. It's an Irish voice named Catelynn. It's unfortunate though that the celebrity voices offered as samples are apparently not available for purchase. It'd be funny to draft Barak Obama as a voice in Window-Eyes or even some of my games. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous. On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available. John Banic recently put me in the direction of a company called ceerproc, who's voices are really rather impressive in terms of natural sound and cadence, and are sold as stand alone voices which may be used for various other programs. Look them up at http://www.cereproc.com/home Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices Hi Lori, Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and everything else, and unfortunately they can't be found anywhere. I've checked the Nuance web site and there is no listing for the voices as their once was a couple years back, and if you get them with one of their Scansoft products like Omnipage apparently the voices only work with Omnipage and nothing else. If you get them with Jaws or Openbook from Freedom Scientific they only work with Freedom Scientific products. If you buy them from Nextup they only work with products like Text Aloud, News Aloud, and Weather Aloud. If you buy a GPS with them on them they only work on that GPS device of course. In short, there seams to be a universal change in the way Nuance does business and how exactly they license their Real Speak voices. There doesn't seam to be a way to license and use them as a standard generic Sapi voice any more. At least not publically anyway. On 5/12/10, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted. I'd like to get the Scansoft Karon one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
[Audyssey] CereProc Voices
Hi Folks, I also looked up the CereProc Voices http://www.cereproc.com/home and found their price for Windows 22k SAPI voices at $39 US They can also build a SAPI voice with 4 hours of recorded speech but do not say how much it costs. Just think of having Alexander Scourby, Jim Dale, Frank Oz, Jim Henson, Sir John Gielgud, Ralph Richardson and Orson Welles as SAPI voices! Or how about James Earl Jones as the voice of your Star Wars game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] CereProc Voices
Christopher Lee as a screen reader voice? That might be a little...demeaning? He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: [Audyssey] CereProc Voices Hi Folks, I also looked up the CereProc Voices http://www.cereproc.com/home and found their price for Windows 22k SAPI voices at $39 US They can also build a SAPI voice with 4 hours of recorded speech but do not say how much it costs. Just think of having Alexander Scourby, Jim Dale, Frank Oz, Jim Henson, Sir John Gielgud, Ralph Richardson and Orson Welles as SAPI voices! Or how about James Earl Jones as the voice of your Star Wars game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
