Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers
Mahjong Hi Thomas, It's been so long since I was a kid that I don't even know what games you would like to see made accessible. The only game that I have that I put Braille on is Up Words. I like it better than Scrabble even though it is similar. I of course have decks of cards and have seen dominos, checkers, chess and monopoly. And there was this block of wood with I think 16 pins. It was like 3d connect 4. Can't think of any others right now. BFN Jim As Leuis Braille said: stay in touch. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis
anyone? Hi Charles, Speaking of bowling, I could never get used to using a bowling rail. Always wanted to try putting a beeper in the right channel for a bit of targeting help. Maybe even a beeper in both channels. But the only bowling that I have done for a long time is WII sports resorts bowling. My neighbors tell me what pins I left if I don't get a strike. My average is down to 176 right now. BFN Jim Bowlers have heavy balls. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
I would love to try this blind tennis. I absolutely love tennis. By the way I will now listen the semifinnals of Rolandgarros in Radio Rolandgarros. Cheers, Jorge Gonçalves jopo...@hotmail.com Skype: joport3 Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com On 6/8/2012 4:23 AM, Steady Goh wrote: Blind tennis or also called soundball tennis, a blind person can play with a fully sighted person but with different rules. we are allowed up to 3 bounces before we return the ball. A fully sighted has to return on the 1st bounce and parcially sighted allow up to 2 bounces. Yes, is not an equal playing field to make up for our disadvantages. A sighted person can tell exactly where the direction the ball is heading, it's hight and speed very early and react accordingly. whereas we are like having an unstable connection with the ball because the sound is not constantly ringing so we need more time to process then react. Given that, I still do miss the ball after training for 2 months and no where near being able to play a match yet, but i do see my progress. 锦发/Steady Goh - Original Message - From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? After reading the article and seeing your feedback, I can't help but nod my head in agreement. It got me to thinking about a perennial problem with so-called blind sports, and I wonder what the solution is. If this strays too far from the realm of accessible gaming, please feel free to steer the topic back in a more suitable direction. In all blind sports I have seen--goal ball, beep baseball, accessible cricket, power showdown, and now this--the common trend seems to be that blind players are forced to play only with other blind players. In some of these sports totally blind people even get a different set of rules than those with partial sight. Nuts to that, and I have some residual vision. The article talks about how tennis teaches blind people that they can do the same things as their sighted peers, but I'm having trouble seeing how modified tennis makes that case. Certainly I believe that blindness can be relegated to the level of an inconvenience, and I believe that given the proper training and opportunity, blind people can compete on an equal playing field with the sighted--no pun intended--but I don't know if that's often the case when it comes to sports. I know that certain forms of martial arts lend themselves to equal competition between blind and sighted people; one of my co-workers this Summer takes part in UFC fights. I myself wrestled for 8 years while going to school. But when it comes to other sports, especially team sports, I wonder how we could go about participating on an equal level. Is the answer to create a new sport that blind and sighted people can play together? Do we develop a new set of techniques so that we, too, can play pickup basketball? I don't know, but I'd sure like to find out. My days of training to be a star athlete are certainly behind me, but it's not too late for the younger guys. All the best, Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:46 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? I gave this a shot, but was pretty underwhelmed TBH. Has to be said that I'm no athlete, but my spacial awareness, coordination and confidence when moving aren't too shabby. I found the adaptions felt clunky, and that there was little satisfaction to be gained. Sitting in on a few games between people who'd been training casually but consistently for a couple of years didn't inspire me any further, it didn't have anywhere near the breakneck pace and fluidity of play that unmodified tennis does, and that was kinda the appeal here. One person's take of course, it's all subjective. Not posting this to discourage, just to make sure people will turn up for their first session prepared for a long slog. It's certainly not something that you can just dive into and let off some steam with like Goalball for example. Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers
Hi Jim. I've also seen the Hacu peg based game. in addition, i've seen tactile ludo (which i believe is called parcheesy in the states), and backgammon, in fact I just got a backgammon board recently. I however would love to see some of the more serious board games aimed at adults made accessible, the games that use the board game format to emulate the rules of an rpg. Games like hero quest and Talisman. indeed, Talisman is played by a lot of people interested in rp, because it's a none serious, light hearted game that is easy to setup learn and play, but at the same time is a lot of fun. my brother and many friends of mine have played Talisman, and I'd love to be able to oin them, but sadly no accessible board is available. I once saw a downloadable version, but it only emulated some of the board based on a very old version of the original game, and reading the board itself and your position on it was a little difficult, even though it used screen reader friendly text. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Ryan, I don't know that we need a new sport, but we need to involve more sighted players in the sports we do have. What I mean by that is beeper baseball is very much like regular baseball accept we have beepers for the baseball and bases. There is no reason we couldn't have sighted players playing beeper baseball with us as I think we would be even as far as accessibility goes. Same might be said for socker. I've actually played beeper socker with sighted people before and its not really any different for them. The only effective difference is that the ball rolls around beeping like crazywhere a regular ball doesn't. Again, I think both blind and sighted players would be pretty much even as far as accessibility goes. The real problem is not that there aren't sports blind and sighted people can play together, but nobody tends to bring the two groups together. If a parent takes a blind child to a little league baseball game the coach is likely to suggest that the parents of the child take him/her to a beeper ball league instead. Which is quite sad, because as long as the parents provide the little league team with a beeper baseball there isn't any reason their child can't play with the sighted kids. However, attitudes being what they are parents of blind children tend to form their own leagues for beeper baseball while parents of sighted children run little leagues for sighted kids without much interaction between the two. There are other sports such as bowling that don't require sight either. As long as someone lines the blind player up correctly and he/she has a decent aim they can bowl with the rest of the sighted people and be competitive. I've personally found I don't need the guide rails and all the other stuff that is suppose to make bowling more accessible for the blind. I just line up and bowl the best I can. Which means if a blind player wants to he or she could compete against sighted players more or less equally. Cheers! On 6/7/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: After reading the article and seeing your feedback, I can't help but nod my head in agreement. It got me to thinking about a perennial problem with so-called blind sports, and I wonder what the solution is. If this strays too far from the realm of accessible gaming, please feel free to steer the topic back in a more suitable direction. In all blind sports I have seen--goal ball, beep baseball, accessible cricket, power showdown, and now this--the common trend seems to be that blind players are forced to play only with other blind players. In some of these sports totally blind people even get a different set of rules than those with partial sight. Nuts to that, and I have some residual vision. The article talks about how tennis teaches blind people that they can do the same things as their sighted peers, but I'm having trouble seeing how modified tennis makes that case. Certainly I believe that blindness can be relegated to the level of an inconvenience, and I believe that given the proper training and opportunity, blind people can compete on an equal playing field with the sighted--no pun intended--but I don't know if that's often the case when it comes to sports. I know that certain forms of martial arts lend themselves to equal competition between blind and sighted people; one of my co-workers this Summer takes part in UFC fights. I myself wrestled for 8 years while going to school. But when it comes to other sports, especially team sports, I wonder how we could go about participating on an equal level. Is the answer to create a new sport that blind and sighted people can play together? Do we develop a new set of techniques so that we, too, can play pickup basketball? I don't know, but I'd sure like to find out. My days of training to be a star athlete are certainly behind me, but it's not too late for the younger guys. All the best, Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hey, Thomas. I agree with you, as a former Beep Baseball player the playing field is equal for both blind and sighted people. However most sighted people don't like playing games sports or even listen to audio described videos, the reason is they want to be able to see the things that they are involve with. Here is what I mean. When my brother came to visit me last month I was playing a audio game, I asked my brother if he would like to play a game and he said no because he can't see the game. Of course I explain that you don't need eyes to play you just need to listen and use your ears to play. I also explain that there are sounds that indicate different things, but he still didn't want to play. I also have came across some people with low vision who won't put on the blindfold because it scare them. But there are sighted and low vision people who will put the blindfold on and even play some audio games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers
Hi Jim, Well, I'm not a kid myself, but I do play a lot of board games. I've several board games that simply are not available from the blind rehab centers and I think would be enjoyable if they were made accessible. For example, I've got this one game made in the 80's or 90's called Hotels. Its similar to Monopoly where you go around the board buying up properties and then building luxury hotels. You'd have the Grand Hotel from Vegas, the Fuji Hotel from Japan, and several others like that. You'd begin with buying the property, building the main buildings, adding a swimming pool, and the more complete your hotel is the more expensive it is to rent. Your goal is to drive all the other hotel owners out of business. :D Another game I like is Risk. The board is divided up into six continents and 42 territories. You can play up to six players and each player commands an army. If playing mission risk each player gets a mission card and if they complete their mission before anyone else they win. If playing domination risk the goal is simply to beat the opposing armies or make alliances so that the player is in control of all 42 territories. In either case it is a strategy game were you plan battles and figure out how to outsmart your opponents. I have another game called Dark World. It is basically an adventure game with a big plastic castle, cardboard walls and doors, several monsters, and four hero tokens. Basically, the player picks a hero token and attempts to get through the castle killing mummies, orcs, ogres, skeletons, and goblins.Along the way he or she will find magic items like enchanted swords, healing potions, magic shoes that will give them an extra turn, etc. Eventually, they will make it to the thrown room where they must challenge the snake king. That is probably one of my favorite games, but I've had to do a lot to make that game accessible. Fact of the matter is I probably could go on and on about the games I own or have played. There is a lot of them that I've enjoyed over the years and of course aren't made accessible. Either the game didn't last long such as the Hotels game which I don't believe is sold any more, or its a promotional game like Star Wars Monopoly, Star Wars Risk, Pirates of the Caribbean Life, and so on that is available for a year or so and is discontinued. Other games such as Mad Gab is a fun party game, I see no reason why it couldn't be made accessible if the cards were brailled, but nobody seems to have taken an interest in producing a braille and large print version. In any case my over all point was there is a lot more card and board games out there on the market that rehab centers simply do not carry in accessible form. You can go to any Toys R Us, Wal-Mart, or K-Mart, and there is at least 30 different board and card games on the shelf at any given time. You open a catalog for the blind and there is five or six selections. Maybe 10 if you are lucky. Cheers! On 6/8/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Mahjong Hi Thomas, It's been so long since I was a kid that I don't even know what games you would like to see made accessible. The only game that I have that I put Braille on is Up Words. I like it better than Scrabble even though it is similar. I of course have decks of cards and have seen dominos, checkers, chess and monopoly. And there was this block of wood with I think 16 pins. It was like 3d connect 4. Can't think of any others right now. BFN Jim As Leuis Braille said: stay in touch. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers
Hi Dark, Hero Quest and Talisman rock. However, as you said they are difficult to play simply because there are no accessible boards available. Its precisely that kind of game aimed at young to middle aged adults I'd love to see available in accessible format. Not only that but there are games like Dungeons and Dragons that have board game versions with plastic playing pieces that would be awesome to have in some accessible format. I have some Star Wars RPG stuff such as some campaign maps and playing pieces I picked up a few years ago, and I'd love it if the campaign maps were accessible. As it is I have to rely on a sighted person to place the pieces on the maps while we play. Its too bad that things like that just isn't considered to be worth a companies time to produce accessible versions. Cheers! On 6/8/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Jim. I've also seen the Hacu peg based game. in addition, i've seen tactile ludo (which i believe is called parcheesy in the states), and backgammon, in fact I just got a backgammon board recently. I however would love to see some of the more serious board games aimed at adults made accessible, the games that use the board game format to emulate the rules of an rpg. Games like hero quest and Talisman. indeed, Talisman is played by a lot of people interested in rp, because it's a none serious, light hearted game that is easy to setup learn and play, but at the same time is a lot of fun. my brother and many friends of mine have played Talisman, and I'd love to be able to oin them, but sadly no accessible board is available. I once saw a downloadable version, but it only emulated some of the board based on a very old version of the original game, and reading the board itself and your position on it was a little difficult, even though it used screen reader friendly text. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Michael, Yeah, but there is a world of difference between audio games and beeper baseball. Most audio games don't contain graphics which most sighted people, like it or not, insist on having. With beeper baseball they can see the ball and we can here it. So that helps even out the accessibility for everyone. Cheers! On 6/8/12, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. I agree with you, as a former Beep Baseball player the playing field is equal for both blind and sighted people. However most sighted people don't like playing games sports or even listen to audio described videos, the reason is they want to be able to see the things that they are involve with. Here is what I mean. When my brother came to visit me last month I was playing a audio game, I asked my brother if he would like to play a game and he said no because he can't see the game. Of course I explain that you don't need eyes to play you just need to listen and use your ears to play. I also explain that there are sounds that indicate different things, but he still didn't want to play. I also have came across some people with low vision who won't put on the blindfold because it scare them. But there are sighted and low vision people who will put the blindfold on and even play some audio games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hey, Thomas. In the NBBA which stands for National Beep Baseball Association, has a rules strick rules I may add. One of the rules is anytime a fielder and batter gets on the field they have to wear a blindfold. The reason for this rule is to make it fair to all players because when they didn't require you to have a blindfold players who had a little sight was using it to be able to see the ball. Which gave the player an advanage to win against the total blind person. So that is why the NBBA decided to require all ball players to wear the blindfold, except the pitcher and field spotter. It is like that in the other sports for the blind aswell. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Michael, Ah, I didn't know that although it makes sense. Of course, rules like that are why sighted players will not play sports with blind players because most of them are not use to playing games like baseball via sound alone and actually have a disadvantage when blind folded. We forget that for us who have been blind for years that we have adapted to that situation where a sighted person only has a couple of minutes or so to try and adapt. That is simply not possible to have lived someone's life with sight and then have to try and learn to play something like baseball by sound with only a few minutes to try and get the hang of it. Cheers! On 6/8/12, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. In the NBBA which stands for National Beep Baseball Association, has a rules strick rules I may add. One of the rules is anytime a fielder and batter gets on the field they have to wear a blindfold. The reason for this rule is to make it fair to all players because when they didn't require you to have a blindfold players who had a little sight was using it to be able to see the ball. Which gave the player an advanage to win against the total blind person. So that is why the NBBA decided to require all ball players to wear the blindfold, except the pitcher and field spotter. It is like that in the other sports for the blind aswell. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Tom, You might be familiar with a different style of beep baseball than I am. The version I'm familiar with has a sighted pitcher and a sighted catcher, both of whom are on the batter's team. When the batter hits a ball, he has to run directly to either third or first base before the people in the outfield, scrambling around on all fours, manage to pick up the ball. That's one of my biggest gripes with beep baseball. It's not real baseball. Is there a different version out there? Ryan On 6/8/12, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ryan, I don't know that we need a new sport, but we need to involve more sighted players in the sports we do have. What I mean by that is beeper baseball is very much like regular baseball accept we have beepers for the baseball and bases. There is no reason we couldn't have sighted players playing beeper baseball with us as I think we would be even as far as accessibility goes. Same might be said for socker. I've actually played beeper socker with sighted people before and its not really any different for them. The only effective difference is that the ball rolls around beeping like crazywhere a regular ball doesn't. Again, I think both blind and sighted players would be pretty much even as far as accessibility goes. The real problem is not that there aren't sports blind and sighted people can play together, but nobody tends to bring the two groups together. If a parent takes a blind child to a little league baseball game the coach is likely to suggest that the parents of the child take him/her to a beeper ball league instead. Which is quite sad, because as long as the parents provide the little league team with a beeper baseball there isn't any reason their child can't play with the sighted kids. However, attitudes being what they are parents of blind children tend to form their own leagues for beeper baseball while parents of sighted children run little leagues for sighted kids without much interaction between the two. There are other sports such as bowling that don't require sight either. As long as someone lines the blind player up correctly and he/she has a decent aim they can bowl with the rest of the sighted people and be competitive. I've personally found I don't need the guide rails and all the other stuff that is suppose to make bowling more accessible for the blind. I just line up and bowl the best I can. Which means if a blind player wants to he or she could compete against sighted players more or less equally. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Steady, That's kind of my point, though. I want to know what the answer is to the fact that the rules are different for people with varying levels of sight. I can't help but think that if the rules have to bend like that, then maybe the sport isn't worth adapting. What I want to know is if there is a sport out there that blind people can play on an exactly level playing field with the sighted, or play with a modification so small that it doesn't make a difference. Could we, for example, make an accessible air hockey puck that beeped, and if we could, would blind people, using their ears, be able to play as fast as sighted people do? Ryan On 6/7/12, Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com wrote: Blind tennis or also called soundball tennis, a blind person can play with a fully sighted person but with different rules. we are allowed up to 3 bounces before we return the ball. A fully sighted has to return on the 1st bounce and parcially sighted allow up to 2 bounces. Yes, is not an equal playing field to make up for our disadvantages. A sighted person can tell exactly where the direction the ball is heading, it's hight and speed very early and react accordingly. whereas we are like having an unstable connection with the ball because the sound is not constantly ringing so we need more time to process then react. Given that, I still do miss the ball after training for 2 months and no where near being able to play a match yet, but i do see my progress. 锦发/Steady Goh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Friday's Out-Of-Sight events
Here are the events scheduled for Friday, June 8th: Smart Alec 8:00 PM eastern Hosted by Julie and Sherry Location: Game Zone Join Julie and Sherry tonight in the Game Zone. We will be hosting a fun and challenging game of Smart Alec. This is a team game of Who am I, what am I, or where am I. If your team gets the answer on the first clue you will score 10 points. For each additional clue that your team is given you will be deducted a point. After each round both teams will receive a Smart Alec 2 part, ten point bonus card. At the end of the game one team will be declared Smart Alecs. Hope to see y'all there. Fact or Myth 9:15 PM eastern Hosted by Julie and Sherry Location: Game Zone Join Julie and Sherry in the Game Zone at 9:15 pm for this new game called Myth or Fact. Each team will be asked a question on one of the following 6 categories: health, celebrity, crime, classics, nature and business. The Captain of each team gets to answer whether they think the question is a myth or a fact. 2 points will be scored for each correct answer. There will be 2 bonus rounds but beware because you have to bet how many points you think you want to risk answering one of the 6 categories of your choice. Come on in and join us for this challenging and informative game. Have a nice weekend! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
With no adaptive or assistive equipment, what are your average bowling scores? How do you keep a straight approach? I'm interested. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? Hi Ryan, I don't know that we need a new sport, but we need to involve more sighted players in the sports we do have. What I mean by that is beeper baseball is very much like regular baseball accept we have beepers for the baseball and bases. There is no reason we couldn't have sighted players playing beeper baseball with us as I think we would be even as far as accessibility goes. Same might be said for socker. I've actually played beeper socker with sighted people before and its not really any different for them. The only effective difference is that the ball rolls around beeping like crazywhere a regular ball doesn't. Again, I think both blind and sighted players would be pretty much even as far as accessibility goes. The real problem is not that there aren't sports blind and sighted people can play together, but nobody tends to bring the two groups together. If a parent takes a blind child to a little league baseball game the coach is likely to suggest that the parents of the child take him/her to a beeper ball league instead. Which is quite sad, because as long as the parents provide the little league team with a beeper baseball there isn't any reason their child can't play with the sighted kids. However, attitudes being what they are parents of blind children tend to form their own leagues for beeper baseball while parents of sighted children run little leagues for sighted kids without much interaction between the two. There are other sports such as bowling that don't require sight either. As long as someone lines the blind player up correctly and he/she has a decent aim they can bowl with the rest of the sighted people and be competitive. I've personally found I don't need the guide rails and all the other stuff that is suppose to make bowling more accessible for the blind. I just line up and bowl the best I can. Which means if a blind player wants to he or she could compete against sighted players more or less equally. Cheers! On 6/7/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: After reading the article and seeing your feedback, I can't help but nod my head in agreement. It got me to thinking about a perennial problem with so-called blind sports, and I wonder what the solution is. If this strays too far from the realm of accessible gaming, please feel free to steer the topic back in a more suitable direction. In all blind sports I have seen--goal ball, beep baseball, accessible cricket, power showdown, and now this--the common trend seems to be that blind players are forced to play only with other blind players. In some of these sports totally blind people even get a different set of rules than those with partial sight. Nuts to that, and I have some residual vision. The article talks about how tennis teaches blind people that they can do the same things as their sighted peers, but I'm having trouble seeing how modified tennis makes that case. Certainly I believe that blindness can be relegated to the level of an inconvenience, and I believe that given the proper training and opportunity, blind people can compete on an equal playing field with the sighted--no pun intended--but I don't know if that's often the case when it comes to sports. I know that certain forms of martial arts lend themselves to equal competition between blind and sighted people; one of my co-workers this Summer takes part in UFC fights. I myself wrestled for 8 years while going to school. But when it comes to other sports, especially team sports, I wonder how we could go about participating on an equal level. Is the answer to create a new sport that blind and sighted people can play together? Do we develop a new set of techniques so that we, too, can play pickup basketball? I don't know, but I'd sure like to find out. My days of training to be a star athlete are certainly behind me, but it's not too late for the younger guys. All the best, Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
[Audyssey] board games for the blind - Re: Accessible Checkers
Now if the board games that are produced were less expensive! $75 for a Monopoly set? $60 or so for Scrabble? How much does a game of similar quality cost for sighted gamers? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers Hi Jim, Well, I'm not a kid myself, but I do play a lot of board games. I've several board games that simply are not available from the blind rehab centers and I think would be enjoyable if they were made accessible. For example, I've got this one game made in the 80's or 90's called Hotels. Its similar to Monopoly where you go around the board buying up properties and then building luxury hotels. You'd have the Grand Hotel from Vegas, the Fuji Hotel from Japan, and several others like that. You'd begin with buying the property, building the main buildings, adding a swimming pool, and the more complete your hotel is the more expensive it is to rent. Your goal is to drive all the other hotel owners out of business. :D Another game I like is Risk. The board is divided up into six continents and 42 territories. You can play up to six players and each player commands an army. If playing mission risk each player gets a mission card and if they complete their mission before anyone else they win. If playing domination risk the goal is simply to beat the opposing armies or make alliances so that the player is in control of all 42 territories. In either case it is a strategy game were you plan battles and figure out how to outsmart your opponents. I have another game called Dark World. It is basically an adventure game with a big plastic castle, cardboard walls and doors, several monsters, and four hero tokens. Basically, the player picks a hero token and attempts to get through the castle killing mummies, orcs, ogres, skeletons, and goblins.Along the way he or she will find magic items like enchanted swords, healing potions, magic shoes that will give them an extra turn, etc. Eventually, they will make it to the thrown room where they must challenge the snake king. That is probably one of my favorite games, but I've had to do a lot to make that game accessible. Fact of the matter is I probably could go on and on about the games I own or have played. There is a lot of them that I've enjoyed over the years and of course aren't made accessible. Either the game didn't last long such as the Hotels game which I don't believe is sold any more, or its a promotional game like Star Wars Monopoly, Star Wars Risk, Pirates of the Caribbean Life, and so on that is available for a year or so and is discontinued. Other games such as Mad Gab is a fun party game, I see no reason why it couldn't be made accessible if the cards were brailled, but nobody seems to have taken an interest in producing a braille and large print version. In any case my over all point was there is a lot more card and board games out there on the market that rehab centers simply do not carry in accessible form. You can go to any Toys R Us, Wal-Mart, or K-Mart, and there is at least 30 different board and card games on the shelf at any given time. You open a catalog for the blind and there is five or six selections. Maybe 10 if you are lucky. Cheers! On 6/8/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Mahjong Hi Thomas, It's been so long since I was a kid that I don't even know what games you would like to see made accessible. The only game that I have that I put Braille on is Up Words. I like it better than Scrabble even though it is similar. I of course have decks of cards and have seen dominos, checkers, chess and monopoly. And there was this block of wood with I think 16 pins. It was like 3d connect 4. Can't think of any others right now. BFN Jim As Leuis Braille said: stay in touch. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
If they can see the ball and the defensive players, they not only know when or whether to swing, but they can time their swing to hit it where the defensive players are not positioned. They can also see where the base is, and run directly to it without accidentally running past it. So, while sighted people can play the game, they do have advantages while batting, and, of course, they don't have to hear the ball while trying to field it, either. The game can be played on an even keel if sighted players are blindfolded, though. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? Hi Michael, Yeah, but there is a world of difference between audio games and beeper baseball. Most audio games don't contain graphics which most sighted people, like it or not, insist on having. With beeper baseball they can see the ball and we can here it. So that helps even out the accessibility for everyone. Cheers! On 6/8/12, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. I agree with you, as a former Beep Baseball player the playing field is equal for both blind and sighted people. However most sighted people don't like playing games sports or even listen to audio described videos, the reason is they want to be able to see the things that they are involve with. Here is what I mean. When my brother came to visit me last month I was playing a audio game, I asked my brother if he would like to play a game and he said no because he can't see the game. Of course I explain that you don't need eyes to play you just need to listen and use your ears to play. I also explain that there are sounds that indicate different things, but he still didn't want to play. I also have came across some people with low vision who won't put on the blindfold because it scare them. But there are sighted and low vision people who will put the blindfold on and even play some audio games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
It takes a long time to get good at it. That's why teams should hold practice sessions. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? Hi Michael, Ah, I didn't know that although it makes sense. Of course, rules like that are why sighted players will not play sports with blind players because most of them are not use to playing games like baseball via sound alone and actually have a disadvantage when blind folded. We forget that for us who have been blind for years that we have adapted to that situation where a sighted person only has a couple of minutes or so to try and adapt. That is simply not possible to have lived someone's life with sight and then have to try and learn to play something like baseball by sound with only a few minutes to try and get the hang of it. Cheers! On 6/8/12, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. In the NBBA which stands for National Beep Baseball Association, has a rules strick rules I may add. One of the rules is anytime a fielder and batter gets on the field they have to wear a blindfold. The reason for this rule is to make it fair to all players because when they didn't require you to have a blindfold players who had a little sight was using it to be able to see the ball. Which gave the player an advanage to win against the total blind person. So that is why the NBBA decided to require all ball players to wear the blindfold, except the pitcher and field spotter. It is like that in the other sports for the blind aswell. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
How about a beeper attached to a stake for pitching horse shoes? I've been thinking about that one. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? Hi Steady, That's kind of my point, though. I want to know what the answer is to the fact that the rules are different for people with varying levels of sight. I can't help but think that if the rules have to bend like that, then maybe the sport isn't worth adapting. What I want to know is if there is a sport out there that blind people can play on an exactly level playing field with the sighted, or play with a modification so small that it doesn't make a difference. Could we, for example, make an accessible air hockey puck that beeped, and if we could, would blind people, using their ears, be able to play as fast as sighted people do? Ryan On 6/7/12, Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com wrote: Blind tennis or also called soundball tennis, a blind person can play with a fully sighted person but with different rules. we are allowed up to 3 bounces before we return the ball. A fully sighted has to return on the 1st bounce and parcially sighted allow up to 2 bounces. Yes, is not an equal playing field to make up for our disadvantages. A sighted person can tell exactly where the direction the ball is heading, it's hight and speed very early and react accordingly. whereas we are like having an unstable connection with the ball because the sound is not constantly ringing so we need more time to process then react. Given that, I still do miss the ball after training for 2 months and no where near being able to play a match yet, but i do see my progress. 锦发/Steady Goh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Everything Ryan wrote below is right on the money IMHO. Going on the personal experiences of training a partially sighted chap and witnessing a fully sighted team play though, I'd say that perhaps Goalball is the closest thing I've found to an exception. The team made up of fully sighted dudes were seriously tight defensively, I wasted half the game just blasting them with power shots assuming that a few minutes of play would leave them disorientated, more fool me. Observing them as the tournament developed, their offensive gameplay came on in leaps and bounds too. One winger in particular was developing a real knack for keeping track of where he'd last heard members of the opposing team and sliding shots neatly through the gaps. Textbook technique, it was cool! That said, I'm surprised these guys made it to a tournament at all because of the rule where every player has to be blindfolded, and to be brutally honest the partially sighted chap on my team only really got involved as a way of getting on the subs bench to spend more time with a rather attractive young lady, although he ended up being a decent player. I see it as something of a catch 22, because the rule about everyone wearing blind folds is always going to hamper interest, but at the same time, having practised penalties with a few people unblindfolded, I'll happily acknowledge that the rule does need to be there. I mean, I'm totally blind, and even I hate being blindfolded and find that it throws me off my stride for the first few minutes LOL! Scott On 6/8/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: After reading the article and seeing your feedback, I can't help but nod my head in agreement. It got me to thinking about a perennial problem with so-called blind sports, and I wonder what the solution is. If this strays too far from the realm of accessible gaming, please feel free to steer the topic back in a more suitable direction. In all blind sports I have seen--goal ball, beep baseball, accessible cricket, power showdown, and now this--the common trend seems to be that blind players are forced to play only with other blind players. In some of these sports totally blind people even get a different set of rules than those with partial sight. Nuts to that, and I have some residual vision. The article talks about how tennis teaches blind people that they can do the same things as their sighted peers, but I'm having trouble seeing how modified tennis makes that case. Certainly I believe that blindness can be relegated to the level of an inconvenience, and I believe that given the proper training and opportunity, blind people can compete on an equal playing field with the sighted--no pun intended--but I don't know if that's often the case when it comes to sports. I know that certain forms of martial arts lend themselves to equal competition between blind and sighted people; one of my co-workers this Summer takes part in UFC fights. I myself wrestled for 8 years while going to school. But when it comes to other sports, especially team sports, I wonder how we could go about participating on an equal level. Is the answer to create a new sport that blind and sighted people can play together? Do we develop a new set of techniques so that we, too, can play pickup basketball? I don't know, but I'd sure like to find out. My days of training to be a star athlete are certainly behind me, but it's not too late for the younger guys. All the best, Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:46 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? I gave this a shot, but was pretty underwhelmed TBH. Has to be said that I'm no athlete, but my spacial awareness, coordination and confidence when moving aren't too shabby. I found the adaptions felt clunky, and that there was little satisfaction to be gained. Sitting in on a few games between people who'd been training casually but consistently for a couple of years didn't inspire me any further, it didn't have anywhere near the breakneck pace and fluidity of play that unmodified tennis does, and that was kinda the appeal here. One person's take of course, it's all subjective. Not posting this to discourage, just to make sure people will turn up for their first session prepared for a long slog. It's certainly not something that you can just dive into and let off some steam with like Goalball for example. Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Ryan, Honestly I don't know. Keep in mind I wasn't born blind, lost my sight well into my teens, so really didn't spend much time with organized beeper baseball. My experience is simply playing it in gym class with other blind students and hearsay from others who were involved with organized beeper baseball. HTH On 6/8/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, You might be familiar with a different style of beep baseball than I am. The version I'm familiar with has a sighted pitcher and a sighted catcher, both of whom are on the batter's team. When the batter hits a ball, he has to run directly to either third or first base before the people in the outfield, scrambling around on all fours, manage to pick up the ball. That's one of my biggest gripes with beep baseball. It's not real baseball. Is there a different version out there? Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Charles, About my average scores I don't know. I don't keep track of that sort of thing. I haven't even played for a couple years in any case. As far as keeping a straight approach I just ask my wife or someone to help line me up and then I attempt to bowl the ball in that direction. As long as I'm lined up I can usually get quite a few pins. Its harder if I've knocked down 8 or 9 and still have 1 or 2 pins still standing. That's when it gets tricky and difficult. Cheers! On 6/8/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: With no adaptive or assistive equipment, what are your average bowling scores? How do you keep a straight approach? I'm interested. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Ryan, HmmmI've never had a problem playing air hockey. In fact, I consider it rather accessible as is. I've beaten several sighted players at air hockey and I'm totally blind. Is this not the case for other blind players? As for how I play air hockey I can hear the puck sliding around without a beeper. Usually if I hear it close to my goal I attempt to block and most of the time I'm successful at it. It just takes practice. Cheers! On 6/8/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steady, That's kind of my point, though. I want to know what the answer is to the fact that the rules are different for people with varying levels of sight. I can't help but think that if the rules have to bend like that, then maybe the sport isn't worth adapting. What I want to know is if there is a sport out there that blind people can play on an exactly level playing field with the sighted, or play with a modification so small that it doesn't make a difference. Could we, for example, make an accessible air hockey puck that beeped, and if we could, would blind people, using their ears, be able to play as fast as sighted people do? Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] What other gamepads are there that will work for us?
Ok, as everyone knows I submited a letter to this list to see if anyone would want my two f510s. Now looking for a newer better gamepad and or stick that will work with the Three D Velocity and the games from Blind software,especially the pipe version two Blast Chamber which I was a beta tester for. To bad we never got USB support written into the Tenpin alley game or for the woop ass boxing games. Now that would be cool. GRIN There has to be a USB handheld and foot controled system out there that will work for we blind gamers and simmers and not having to be tied to the keyboard. So there's my huge question of help. Thanks. Ron who's a frustrated gamer at this time. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] board games for the blind - Re: Accessible Checkers
Hi Charles, Definitely much less. I think a standard version of Monopoly goes for $20 and sometimes cost a little more if it is a promotional version. I once saw a Monopoly set for $40, but what made it so expensive is that it was electronic. What I mean by that is you could put batteries in the board and when you set the houses on the board they would light up like a little town or city which was pretty cool. However, no mainstream copy of Monopoly ever costs $75 unless it is a rare collectors edition. Otherwise figure $20 to $30 range on average. Scrabble costs even less. i think the last time I was looking at games at Wal-Mart Scrabble was only like $12. Its not very expensive at all. For the price the accessible versions cost its cheaper to buy the basic Scrabble game and just slap braille labels on the pieces. Which is what i do most of the time anyway. For example, I have several different versions of Monopoly. Most of them have special movie or show themes so are slightly different from the basic versions. I have the Star Wars Monopoly game where you have little tokens of Luke, Han, Chewie, etc and instead of houses you have x-wings and tie fighters. I have the Lord of the Rings set with minature tokens of the main characters, and instead of houses you build towers and fortresses. The Star Trek: Next Generation set is really unique because its basically a huge map of the Enterprise and you go around buying up pieces of the Enterprise. How's that for strange? Anyway, since I know i can't buy accessible versions of those games I just buy them and braille them myself. Its no big deal to take a sheet of braille label, write up a list of the properties, and have my wife stick them on the board. Brailling the cards, money, etc is also pretty easy. it is time consuming, but otherwise fairly straight forward. Cheers! On 6/8/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Now if the board games that are produced were less expensive! $75 for a Monopoly set? $60 or so for Scrabble? How much does a game of similar quality cost for sighted gamers? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but the main problem i've seen with organized blind sports in Britain is the Blind Cleaque mentality. I'm not sure if this applies to all sports, but certainly in chess and goalball it's pretty dire. I once looked at joing the local goalball team, but it turned out they were basically four men who'd been playing together for 10 years, weren't interested in recruiting anyone else, and never actually trained together or taught any of the rules, they just showed up to tournaments. In fairness I briefly trained with another team in a nearby town who also played at a much faster and more brutal pace, showing me that the game could actually be fun when played properly, but i had to quit training with them due to conflicted travel times, and from what I've seen of the professional organization more were like my local team. With the braille chess association, my brother, the cleaque mentlity got so much worse it was ridiculous. my brother is an international standard chess player, indeed these days he goes to world ccg championships. Back when he was playing chess however, he got a very bad deal because he'd not gone to the same specialist cschool as everyone else. For instance, at one point, he and another lad were tied for the team. Where as my brother had to play all the qualifyers to get onto the British team, the other lad was allowed a place by default because he'd had lots of exams ignoring the fact that my brother was in the exact same boat. this sort of thing got so bad, my brother quit, and sinse I really went along just with my brother (I'm a medium chess player, in the european championships I came 20th out of 45, which I was quite happy with), this pretty much left nobody who hadn't been to worcester blind colidge in the entire junior part of the association, and not that many in the senior part either. then again, blindness and sport isn't a no no in the uk either. One group i have a lot of respect for is a group who were once called guide dog holidays (I've said before how much I like the guide dog association). They've now changed their name to vitalize, but still do the same thing, basically taking groups of random blind people and sighted guides off to do various things around the world. These aren't just pathetic knitting breaks either, I've gone tandom cycling with them in Ireland, doing close to 50 miles a day, on a couple of occasions I've gone cross country skeeing in the alps (I've also tried down hill, though that was less my thing), they do trecking, backpacking, and visiting interesting and random places, It was them i went to egypt with. so the sort of sports that I'm interested in, the sort where it's more about going out and exploring while getting exercize, cycling, kyacking, skeeing etc are very well supported and quite accessible, indeed their skeeing instructor also taught the paralympic team. Once my phd is finished, I have a mind to go somewhere really! extreme! with them. there is also blind crickit, tenis, and I believe the showdown tabletenis game (same as the one Philip made the audio game of), though I'd be concerned as to how much they'd get over taken by the only in our blind club mentality that seems worryingly common in a lot of Britain, and is one of the chief reasons why other than my family I don't really have any blind friends off line, or not connected in some way to audio games. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
I'll probably expand on this more, but I'm a blind cricket player and in short I've seen that clique mentality when I captained 2 goalball teams to victory - we got beaten by a side of girls who were older than us and who had been playing together for 7 years at least and they wer so braggy about it that I wanted to hit them :d but cricket in our terms is a lot of fun. I'll explain more offlist if you want, dark, as I feel this is getting really! Out of hand. :) Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 08 June 2012 21:31 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but the main problem i've seen with organized blind sports in Britain is the Blind Cleaque mentality. I'm not sure if this applies to all sports, but certainly in chess and goalball it's pretty dire. I once looked at joing the local goalball team, but it turned out they were basically four men who'd been playing together for 10 years, weren't interested in recruiting anyone else, and never actually trained together or taught any of the rules, they just showed up to tournaments. In fairness I briefly trained with another team in a nearby town who also played at a much faster and more brutal pace, showing me that the game could actually be fun when played properly, but i had to quit training with them due to conflicted travel times, and from what I've seen of the professional organization more were like my local team. With the braille chess association, my brother, the cleaque mentlity got so much worse it was ridiculous. my brother is an international standard chess player, indeed these days he goes to world ccg championships. Back when he was playing chess however, he got a very bad deal because he'd not gone to the same specialist cschool as everyone else. For instance, at one point, he and another lad were tied for the team. Where as my brother had to play all the qualifyers to get onto the British team, the other lad was allowed a place by default because he'd had lots of exams ignoring the fact that my brother was in the exact same boat. this sort of thing got so bad, my brother quit, and sinse I really went along just with my brother (I'm a medium chess player, in the european championships I came 20th out of 45, which I was quite happy with), this pretty much left nobody who hadn't been to worcester blind colidge in the entire junior part of the association, and not that many in the senior part either. then again, blindness and sport isn't a no no in the uk either. One group i have a lot of respect for is a group who were once called guide dog holidays (I've said before how much I like the guide dog association). They've now changed their name to vitalize, but still do the same thing, basically taking groups of random blind people and sighted guides off to do various things around the world. These aren't just pathetic knitting breaks either, I've gone tandom cycling with them in Ireland, doing close to 50 miles a day, on a couple of occasions I've gone cross country skeeing in the alps (I've also tried down hill, though that was less my thing), they do trecking, backpacking, and visiting interesting and random places, It was them i went to egypt with. so the sort of sports that I'm interested in, the sort where it's more about going out and exploring while getting exercize, cycling, kyacking, skeeing etc are very well supported and quite accessible, indeed their skeeing instructor also taught the paralympic team. Once my phd is finished, I have a mind to go somewhere really! extreme! with them. there is also blind crickit, tenis, and I believe the showdown tabletenis game (same as the one Philip made the audio game of), though I'd be concerned as to how much they'd get over taken by the only in our blind club mentality that seems worryingly common in a lot of Britain, and is one of the chief reasons why other than my family I don't really have any blind friends off line, or not connected in some way to audio games. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5056 - Release Date: 06/08/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription
Re: [Audyssey] What other gamepads are there that will work for us?
I would see no need for using a game pad to play Tenpin Alley. The keyboard works perfectly for that game and has all you need. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Audyssey gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] What other gamepads are there that will work for us? Ok, as everyone knows I submited a letter to this list to see if anyone would want my two f510s. Now looking for a newer better gamepad and or stick that will work with the Three D Velocity and the games from Blind software,especially the pipe version two Blast Chamber which I was a beta tester for. To bad we never got USB support written into the Tenpin alley game or for the woop ass boxing games. Now that would be cool. GRIN There has to be a USB handheld and foot controled system out there that will work for we blind gamers and simmers and not having to be tied to the keyboard. So there's my huge question of help. Thanks. Ron who's a frustrated gamer at this time. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers
Hi Thomas and Dark, You know having no kids or sighted spouse, I have not been exposed to the board games etc that are out recently. I have not bought a game in like 30 years, and that was Up Words that later I put braille on. As a kid we as a family we played games like Life, Monopoly, Clue, Sorry, Headache, Parcheesi, Break the Ice, Mouse Trap, Skunk, Toss Across, Rockem Sockem Robots, Electric Football, Electric Baseball, Battling Tops, all of the card games and always had 1 to 32 scale and H O scaled slot cars. Oh yeah and Skittle Bowl. But the next time that I don't have other things that I need my Aid to do, I will ask if we can check out the board games at WalMart. BFN Jim Historically, I have been alive my entire life. There for, I always will be. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bowling blind - Re: tennis
Hi Charles, Yeah, I never really have had a chance to see if beepers would help if I had them in the gutters. Your 110 sounds like a pretty darn nice average. I think that totally blind I have had a hard time making 100. BFN Jim Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at the bowling alley. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] board games for the blind - Re: Accessible Checkers
Hi Charles and all, I am curious, who decides what games to make accessible. I mean is it the original manufactures of the games, or do some of the blind organizations get together and commission for the games to be made accessible or what? And then who does set the price of them? BFN Jim If Walmart is lowering prices every day, how come nothing is free yet? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi Ben. Unfortunately my experience of cricket was not good, sinse other than playing in P.E. in school, the only other time I played was at one of the chess championships when several blind people started a cricket match, ostensibly for fun, but essentially they were all from the same blind colidge so it quickly became less fun for me. I am glad there are sports that avoid this, or at least places in sports, but to be brutally honest I'm not that much interested in competitive sports (dont' ask me why, competition just doesn't do it for me), or indeed too much getting into blind only organizations if I can know something about them first and make sure they're not just stuck within their own little bubble. For instance, there used to be a blind drama group who advertized acting, singing composing and putting on a production. You'd think as someone with a very serious interest in singing professionally that would be right up my street right? Accept that when i went, I was pretty much ignored by all the blind members who went on about reminiscences betwene themselves, accept for two other new members who I finished up friends with. Their singing turned out to mean that their own pianists made up tunes, a couple of members made up words to which everyone sang, and their show was performed to no public members at all (not to mention being full of in jokes). This is really why I have a bit of a prejudice against a lot of blind people in britain, so many are completely and utterly stuck living life one way and don't accept anyone from outside it, or anyone who does anything differently (one girl once seemed to think i was mad and dangerous for pouring liquids without! an indicator), not to mention expecting! help, one person once adviced me not to go to a specific uni because a blind person there had fallen in the lake! and when I said this was the the blind person's own dam fault for not having better mobility skills with their cane, people thought I was some kind of monster. I know that part of this is the special school mentality, sinse if people go to specialist schools this sort of atitude is pretty much ingraned, but it is an atitude that frustrates ,e/ Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers
Hi Jim. at least in my case, it's not really the standard board games that bothered me. My parents brailled see how they run, the house that jack built and other games, and we regularly played life, ratrace or braille monopoly. The problem I have now is a lot of my friends play the sort of more complex type of board games aimed at adults and those interested in tabletop rp. Talisman, battle star, hero quest, not to mention the awesome atmosphere series, etc, games that verge on being an rp game, but have cards to pick up, and instructions on the board itself. i actually once bought a second hand copy of atmosphere, but just couldn't get to brailel all the complicated instructions on the cards and squares on the board, so never got to play it much which was really irritating, sinse the atmospheric video and appearences from the games' host, the evil gate keeper was just fantastic, and added so much to the game, even though in layout and rule structure I now see it wasn't too complicated, despite having a lot of text. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bowling blind - Re: tennis
I know I never have. Life, don't talk to me about life. -Original Message- From: Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 3:49 PM To: Charles Rivard Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling blind - Re: tennis Hi Charles, Yeah, I never really have had a chance to see if beepers would help if I had them in the gutters. Your 110 sounds like a pretty darn nice average. I think that totally blind I have had a hard time making 100. BFN Jim Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at the bowling alley. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] board games for the blind - Re: Accessible Checkers
As I understand it, in this country it's the rnib who pretty much rule everything with an iron fist. They commission someone to make the accessible versions of the games, get the copywrites, and then distribute them themselves, and sinse the government agencies will always put newly blind people or families with blind children in touch with the rnib, that really is how they will sell stuff. In fairness I can't complain about the prices. My tactile backgammon board was 18 pounds, that's around 25 dollars, however this does mean that the only games that get made accessible are the games which the Rnib themselves aproves of for blind people, which means only games really aimed at eldily people, or very occasionally, young children. heck, even well known games like life or cludo (what is called clue in the states), dont' have an accessible form. As I said, all the rnib does are packs of braille uno and standard cards, tactile dominoes, backgammon, chess, snakes and ladders, monopoly, the peg five in a row game, and ludo. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Charles Rivard Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] board games for the blind - Re: Accessible Checkers Hi Charles and all, I am curious, who decides what games to make accessible. I mean is it the original manufactures of the games, or do some of the blind organizations get together and commission for the games to be made accessible or what? And then who does set the price of them? BFN Jim If Walmart is lowering prices every day, how come nothing is free yet? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Doesn't the noise of the table and the sound of the sticks hitting the puck overpower the noise of the sliding puck? Although I helped build tables, I've never tried the game, but would like to. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone? Hi Ryan, HmmmI've never had a problem playing air hockey. In fact, I consider it rather accessible as is. I've beaten several sighted players at air hockey and I'm totally blind. Is this not the case for other blind players? As for how I play air hockey I can hear the puck sliding around without a beeper. Usually if I hear it close to my goal I attempt to block and most of the time I'm successful at it. It just takes practice. Cheers! On 6/8/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steady, That's kind of my point, though. I want to know what the answer is to the fact that the rules are different for people with varying levels of sight. I can't help but think that if the rules have to bend like that, then maybe the sport isn't worth adapting. What I want to know is if there is a sport out there that blind people can play on an exactly level playing field with the sighted, or play with a modification so small that it doesn't make a difference. Could we, for example, make an accessible air hockey puck that beeped, and if we could, would blind people, using their ears, be able to play as fast as sighted people do? Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tennis, anyone?
Hi, I do not like it when people just do sports and set up clubs, not really looking for new members. I had this experience with a local shooting club which i was going to join, the problem is there is no structure and they went to one place looking for members and did not advertise the club so that people who wanted to join could get the chance. Our blind soccer team in west brom is always open to new members coming along and trying the sport out, if they just want to train that's fine with us but we try and get them to a level where they feel able to give it a try in proper game situations. I try and get involved with mainstream things as much as I Can such as my Toastmasters public speaking club, I have not even been there six months and they've asked me to join the club comity and do the PR work for them. It is something i've never done before or had any experience in so i'm looking forward to it. The problem with blind sports is most blind people went to special schools or colleges which is why it's so clinky. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
