I seemed to always get stuck in the maze of twisty little passages. No
instructions I thought of got me out of there.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: ma...@kidfriendlysoftware.com
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:06 PM
To:
Oh, good Lord! I haven't played that game in ages of ages. I wonder how
well using dictation would work? I'd be willing to give it a good try if
you can get it going. When using it on a DOS machine, (see how long ago
that was?), I never did finish the game.
If you think you're
There is a game for iDevices by that name that can be found in the app
store. That's the only one that I am aware of. HTH.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Tyler Zahnke
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 1:10 AM
To:
Subject line corrected.
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-Original Message-
From: mattias
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 1:12 PM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] sades of doom2
i really hate the builtin speech
and I forget to say
sapi
Does this apply to the train simulation game as indicated by the subject
line?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: John Sanders
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:26 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The train now
The train sim sounds interesting. However, the link that I found gives a
404 error message. To be sure I'm using the right one, is it
http://ndadamson.com/index.php"slab=tube-sim
If not, what is a correct one? Thanks.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
Now, I'm totally confused. The subject line indicates that the thread deals
with some train simulation game, and people are talking about flight
simulators? I would like to know more about the train simulation, as I
joined the thread late. Thanks.
If you think you're finished, you!
Does anyone know where better sounds than those from the original game can be
obtained? Thanks.
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The version for iDevices has been updated as well.
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-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 2:45 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] android audio games hub update
Audio games
Shaun: If it weren't accessible, I wouldn't think it would, or should, be
posted to this list.
Also, did you read the description of the game? It should answer the
questions that you asked.
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-Original Message-
From:
There won't be anything to it. What you will be doing is playing your game
and submitting the result.
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-Original Message-
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:58 PM
To: Discussion List For Gamers
I got it onto my iPhone for $14.99 as an iBook from the app store.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: dark
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 5:50 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Very, very, very expensive!!!
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:38 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] App and special decks for Talking Game Cards
Hi,
Have you heard of the
You answered your own question by stating what a big undertaking this was.
Someone's gotta pay the electric bill. Marty has spent a lot of time and
effort to produce this app, and should be paid for his work, don't you
think?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
You don't need an app to roll dice on an iPhone. If you are rolling two
dice numbered 1 through 6, just tell Siri to "Roll the dice." If you want
higher numbers on the dice, there are several ways to do it. The lengthy
way would be to tell Siri to "Pick a number from 1 to" and then give the
Without punctuation, messages like this are extremely confusing, as the
screen reader does not know when to pause. One lengthy and continuous
sentence makes no sense.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday,
It is not a clone of another game, although there are similarities. A walk
through of one game will be of very little use for learning another.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Michael barnes
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 12:22 PM
Why should a stable and reliable operating system that is completely screen
reader accessible die?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: lenron brown
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:00 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
The only reason that XP, an excellent and stable operating system, is dead
is that Microsoft decided to make it so by no longer maintaining and
supporting it. I put the blame on why we had to migrate squarely and
entirely on Microsoft.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are!
When I finally scraped enough money together to buy a refurbished Windows 7
desktop PC, I was having huge problems with the eMail client that was on it,
so I called the help desk for the visually impaired. I was immediately told
that Windows Live Mail was no longer being supported. I told the
After a bit of playing with an iPhone app which is called, I think, “Delight
Games”, I went ahead and purchased the full library as an in-app purchase
option. I’m thinking that this library of games will provide a lot of replay
value, and that it will take quite some time to play through.
I
Heavens to Mergatroid!!
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: dark
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:35 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Pinball extreme on laptop
Hi Lisa.
Yep, the party pack is cool. It comes with
Yuk. He does not enunciate the r in a lot of words. "Hot" instead of
"heart" and so on. It's a personal choice, though.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: dark
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:51 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Would these detract from the replay value by decreasing the challenge of the
game?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: loriduncan
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] gilly weed, was
>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sarah game question
Not to mention they taste totally amazing! Although personally I like
Borbon Creams better. :)
-Original Message-
From: dar
: [Audyssey] Sarah game question
Not to mention they taste totally amazing! Although personally I like
Borbon Creams better. :)
-Original Message-
From: dark
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:23 PM
To: Charles Rivard ; Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Sarah game questi
They were, from what I gathered from the description, a type of cream puff,
rather than a cookie.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: loriduncan
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:08 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
I like your idea of random cards because, in a pack of chocolate frogs, you
never know what the card will be.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Phil Vlasak
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:18 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
PM
To: 'Charles Rivard' ; 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] does any one play jim kitchens football game.
Yes I play jim kitchen's football game. I am a big football fan.
Kenny Peyatt jr.
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf
I have decided to give interactive fiction games a try. I got a library of
them from the app store for my iPhone 6. While the app is free, it was
indicated in an article at
www.applevis.com
that the first book is free and you then order the others as inapp purchases
based on whether you
When it comes to getting a computer, I would think that the more RAM you can
get for the buck, the better.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: michael barnes
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 11:49 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject:
Firstly, your post had more to do with the baseball game rather than the
football game. Secondly, modifying Jim's games, in my opinion, should not
be done unless the original games are also preserved for posterity. I would
hate to see his game become unrecognizably his.
If you think
To improve someone's game is not a slap in their face. However, I do think
that if improvements are made, out of respect for Jim, the originals should
also be preserved as they are.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: michael barnes
Seems like, as part of the download link, it is indicated that this is a
beta. Could that be the reason?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: dark
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
I totally agree with you about Park Boss. The only PC that I now have is a
Windows 7 desktop machine, and I do need to get Park Boss onto it. Where
can it be obtained? Thanks.
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-Original Message-
From:
Once in a while, although I like the baseball game better because I am more
of a baseball fan than a football fan..
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: corey overton
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:23 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Marty Schultz has, on this eMail list, given his very valid reasons why, at
least at the current time, this will not happen. -
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:59 AM
To: Gamers Discussion
If we have, what help are you asking for?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:12 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] audioGames hub
hi
has anyone played the games on
The reasoning for this has been previously explained in posts to this list,
and make good sense. Keep up the GREAT work, Marty!
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Marty Schultz
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:50 AM
To: Gamers
Get this fun game produced by Kid Friendly Software. As far as I know, it’s
the first pool game that a blind person can play, and it is for iDevices.
Choose from different tables and games such as eight ball, fifteen ball, nine
ball, and so on. Locate the ball you want to sink and the pocket
The only reason it isn't supported is because Microsoft quit supporting it.
Otherwise, it would still be a stable and reliable platform for those who
must rely on screen readers.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Shaun Everiss
The older computers could still use Dropbox if no changes were made to
Dropbox. No changes had to be made, because it worked just fine on the
newer machines, as far as I know. The reason most often given for dropping
support for XP is that, "You've got to keep up with today's technology." To
This thoroughly disgusts me, but thanks for letting us know.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Karl Belanger
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:16 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers
I don't care much for ear buds. A headset is better. Both provide the
pinpoint accuracy needed for playing some games. However, I very much
prefer not to use either. Speakers sound the best, and allow for free
movement. In fact, I will even go as far as to say that I would prefer
Yes. That's the purpose of, notice the name?, blindfold road trip with
friends. The one that you want, in which you play against one of random
computer opponents is still available in the app store. It is blindfold
road trip. Notice the name difference. HTH.
If you think you're
Any step by step on working with game center will be appreciated. Thanks.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: joseph weakland
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 1:27 PM
To: 'audyssey games'
Subject: [Audyssey] blindfold roadtrip with
To my way of thinking, the more platforms a game is available on, the
better. I'm not sure where you're coming up with the fact that the games
are from the days of DOS, other than the fact that they use text, which is
what an RPG uses, right? If that is so, then a game from the days of DOS
Spelling may be difficult if people are using only Voice-Over unless the
rotor is used. A simple example: The question provided is: "What are the
other words that sound like "to"? Without knowing which word was provided,
they won't know which two to give as answers because all three sound
Where did you hear that the company went out of business?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:59 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Understanding the Pinball
...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles
Rivard
Sent: 14 April 2016 16:14
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] overwatch beta
I don't click on links without knowing something about them, so could you
give a little info other than that it might be interesting? Thanks.
If you think
I don't click on links without knowing something about them, so could you
give a little info other than that it might be interesting? Thanks.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Darren Harris
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 8:37 AM
For me, lengthy and complex role playing games are not for the iPhone. The
games that I would prefer are usually games that I must react to action or
use dice to score, or something along that nature. A game such as chess or
checkers will work well, too, although I have to have a separate
All you need to know is in the instructions that come with the game, in the
"help" section.
A pinball machine is a long rectangular machine with the flippers at the
bottom, nearest you. You launch the ball up toward the top of the machine
with a spring loaded plunger. Gravity takes over.
In a lot of the games, if the sound is behind you, it is muffled. If it is
in front of you, it is not muffled. I think the best way of doing it,
though, is used in Shades of Doom. There is a drum beat heard if the
monsters are behind you.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are!
I figured that the subject line should be changed, because we're not saying
"Hi" to everyone. We're giving our favorite iDevice games.
Some of mine are "Shredder Chess", "Dice World", "cribbage pro", "audio
archery", "Othello", "Millionaire Game Free", "Quizzoid", "trivia crack
kingdoms",
I'm thinking that this could be a number of text adventure games. No idea
which one.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: mattias
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 9:31 AM
To: Gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] searching for a ios
I would think that the shooter, not the rim and backboard, would be what
would have to move. Sort of like a game of HORSE, in which one of you
shoots from wherever you choose, and the other player would have to
successfully make the same shot if the first player was successful. If the
one
Was the idea of the original "frogger" game that you had to get your frog to
safely hop from one side of a highway to the other, with the highway getting
more busy with different types of vehicles as you complete each round?
Having been blind since birth, I never played the original. I like
Is this list a place to talk about someone's ex, good or bad? Maybe it's a
personal opinion, but it seems in bad taste to me. I'm not criticizing you
for sending it in a mean way. I hope you see where I'm coming from, though.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
Thanks, Shane, for performing this unpleasant duty that should not have been
necessary but, unfortunately, was.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Shane Davidson
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:16 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject:
I was wondering the same thing. Why do people send gibberish like this?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Ron Schamerhorn
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 3:36 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some sad news.
WTF
It's too soon to tell, and too soon for you to ask. You should be ashamed
of yourself.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: william Lomas
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 8:05 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The last
It's a shame that you so quickly jump to unsubscribe. Keep in mind that
this list is not just for PC games. It is for games playable by the blind,
whether or not through their design.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: william
I agree 100 percent. I'd like for people to think about this for a bit.
How would it sound if you were at Thomas's funeral, and you very loudly
proclaimed, for all to hear, "Oh, my God! This is so sad! There goes my
money for a game I'll never receive!" This may sound harsh, but, people?,
Thanks for sending this.
I've got to give my first opinion on what was written, and by "first", I
mean what I immediately think when reading it based on what I know from this
list and through off list communications:
This was clearly written by some who did not know Thomas at all. It does
I'm going through my inbox this morning and have found a flood of mail
concerning the apparent death of Thomas Ward??? I'm sure that I will find
more pertaining to this thread, as well as some that does not. With this in
mind, I have changed to an appropriate subject line before saying a
What did you find out from the web site of RS Games? If it exists, there
surely would be info about it there. Always get info directly from the
horse's mouth rathar than a stable worker.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Rajmund
Where did you hear that from?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: Rajmund
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 2:58 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] RS games on IOS; is that true?
Hello,
So, I heard that apparently, an RS
This game is basically the same as "1,000 miles" that is played on RS Games.
It is a lot of fun and doesn't take long to play.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: joseph weakland
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:34 PM
To: 'audyssey
That feature is farther down the road of development.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message-
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:35 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new game from kidfriendly wsoftware INC is
't know how to tell 1 shell from another. My sister also
does a cracking impression of the bank manager, she can whistle like that,
but I can't seem to crack it. :)
-----Original Message-
From: charles rivard
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:24 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
One thing that I do remember about Gruzly Gulch is that the game was
designed for a new gamer. Very few keystrokes are needed to play, and there
is no learning curve. The sounds are good. I felt that it sicceeded as far
as game design. It wasn't an intricate game, but wasn't intended to be.
It is a slushy drink. Some stores sell them under the name of an icy or a
slushy. They remind me of snow at first. I haven't had one in years.
--
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!!
- Original Message -
From: "loriduncan"
To:
Although I haven't played Grizly Gulch Extravaganza for quite some time, I
will tell you that you've got to listen very closely, and you've got to be
quick to defeat all of the snakes. That is the longest and most difficult
aspect of the game. As incentive, there is a surprise waiting for you
Well, this makes my day bright, knowing that you're on the road to
recovery!!! Thanks for the excellent news, and keep those spirits up! I'm
praying for a full recovery.
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- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
I'm one of those people who did not want to migrate from Windows XP because I
was so used to that platform and it was, for me, reliable. However, I finally
scraped up the funds to get a refurbished machine with Windows 7 Professional
on it. So, now for the questions:
1. Are any of the games
If you are looking for this game to be played on an iDevice, have you
checked in the app store?
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Sharon Hooley"
To:
From what I know, the selection of games that will work for blind people on
a mobile device is much larger if that device is an iDevice. There is also
a much wider selection of other apps that are Voice-Over friendly. Plus,
the amount of material that you can use to learn to use the device is
If you think of an idea, create the game to widen the market or get together
with a game developer who might work with you on a game.
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Tobias
d on top of an air hockey machine.
On 11/20/2015 3:01 PM, Danielle Ledet wrote:
Why is open source dangerous? Because there is lots of hacking going
on that is why? Oh and why are the games called Blindfold this and
Blindfold That (insert name)?
On 11/20/15, Charles Rivard<wee1s...@fid
Merry Christmas to all,
and to all a good fright!
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Phil Vlasak"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday,
I don't think that is allowed under the agreement.
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Everiss"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent:
What does that have to do with installing Adobe flash player?
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Danielle Ledet"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
How to recalibrate the motion is mentioned in the user's guide, although it
has been so long since I've done it, I don't recall exactly what it is. It
may be either a two or three finger swipe down.
As for the coins, they are only for Breakout. The ability to use them for
other games would
ns streight off than effectively a
pay for each game model, though fortunately I have found the back button
on the videos so I can get cash when finished.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion
If you are a beta tester for Kid Friendly Software, should you be letting
people know of what is to come? Most contracts between tester and company
do not want you to tell anything about what is being tested.
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
Who is Dart?
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Dottie"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [Audyssey]
What games have you played? I wonder how they compare with those for an
iDevice?
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Lanie Molinar"
To: "Gamers Discussion
Seeing as he sent his question to this list, and he asked if this list is
still alive, I would assume that he was asking if this list were still
alive, wouldn't you think?
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you! really! are! finished!
-
nt: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] still alive?
LOL. I was going to say it just died of a heart attack yesterday.
Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-----Original Message-
From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:24 PM
To: Gamers Discus
I was wondering the same thing. To me, dart is a projectile. Maybe this is
an example of braille output being more accurate than speech output?
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From:
No. It's a figment of your imagination. It was actually created by the
same man who created The Twilight Zone back many years ago. (ornery grin)
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From:
linux operating system, just to name a few.
------
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 19:29
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] blindfold airhockey is now out
Th
of very well known and successful software is open
source:
7-zip, nvda, the linux operating system, just to name a few.
------
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 19:29
To: "Gamers Discussio
h
isn't
possible without seeing the code.
Basically what this all boils down to is that open source is just as
secure
as anything else - it all depends on the distribution mechanism used and,
more importantly, how well the code's written.
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From: &
out even sending a virus either way
damage is done! Anybody with that kind of advanced savvy is dangerous!
On 11/20/15, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
You state my point exactly when you say, "Certainly, I could write a
piece
of code and include it in a package and then
rles, I could not have expressed it any better! I dislike the fact
folks can just modify code at will. The right person able to do this
can cause loads of trouble without even sending a virus either way
damage is done! Anybody with that kind of advanced savvy is dangerous!
On 11/20/15, Charles Rivard
5:06 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] open source and viruses, was blindfold airhockey
Then again, I could also write something in bgt, compile it, and post it
here as some cool sounding game. You hit enter on it and my evil deed also
gets done.
--------
According to the app developer, due to a problem, the game has been pulled
from the store, but the fixed version should be out within a few days.
Also, I would not send the game to anyone. It should be gotten through the
appropriate source. Thanks.
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Be positive! When it comes to being
The very fact that they are open source is a danger. Plus it would be more
work for a developer, and the blind iDevice user market is far larger than
the blind Android user market, plus the vast number of phones and different
operating systems is a problem when it comes to Androids. The
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