Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games?
Hi Bryan, Ahem... Yes, that is possible, but most sites now require the 3 digit varification code on the back of the card which the cell phone would unlikely get a picture of. Anyway, we are really really getting off topic. I'm going to close down the topic. Thanks. Bryan Peterson wrote: And, there's another way which people don't necessarily think of. If someone has a cell phone with a camera and they're really good and quick, all they'd have to do is snap a picture of your card when you hand it to the cashier. That does happen from time to time. It actually happened to me once when I was visiting friends in Oregon. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games?
Hi Josh, Well, to be honest most of the open source free games are not as near the complexity of Tank Commander, Lonewolf, etc. Even if they were I doubt he would fully grasp the source code unless he has been programming for a while at a intermediate to advanced level. Josh wrote: why not send andy the source code from one of the free games and then see what he says? Josh ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games?
Hi Andy, That would really make me happy if you did. (Smile) LikeI said in my earlier post polls are often misleading in they don't release the sources of the poll. If they said 75% of network admins say the internet is very unsecure for online shopping I would be really worried. If they say 90% of everyone polled today believes the internet is unsecure for shopping and don't release the technical backgrounds of those polled then I am not as worried as they may or may not have any technical knolege. For example, my wife's mother is one of those who thinks online shopping is unsafe. However, she is 70 years old, doesn't know how to use a computer, has never baught anything off the internet, has troubles figuring out how to use her vcr, and do you consider her opinion to be a reliable source. Of course not. Andy Smith wrote: Ok Im convinced. Im gonna go uninstall every single crack Iv done, then Im gonna use one of those file shreader things, so its really gonna be gone. Im gonna do it right this minute. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Ron, Yep. Money orders are good. However, They would be tough if we are handling different currencies. I don't mind excepting them if they are in U.S. dollars, but would not like them if they started showing up as Euros, Pounds, you name it. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: And there is also the old faithful money order which I believe most devs would accept. Great solution as it's hacker free. Ron ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Shaun, Good points there. Keep in mind BSC Games, Draconis, GMA, etc have really good track records with taking your orders online. They are what we would call trusted sites. However, there have been some real scares for lets say computer users that look for porn on the net, and give there credit cards out to slese sites with unknown reputations. Bottom line, considder whom it is you are buying from. shaun everiss wrote: Ok, ok, lets varify this shopping thing right now! NOthing is secure. Even with security systems those can get hacked by someone thats determined. Now if you steel a shops database of credit card numbers or get into a bank and steel their stuff its the same as robbing the till of a store. Secondly I know where you are coming from. Some may think net shopping is not safe but its reasonably safe. If it wasn't then no one would use it. I do understand where you come from though. Someone at a shop, a real shop managed to set my dad's card with porn subscriptions, and include his address and phone number in a hotmail address so I realise why you think you are justified in thinking that net shopping is not safe. At the same time people and sites that are reputable should have a good record. Stay away from small places when you can if you are worried. And there are ways consumers can check on opinions on what others think of that place. Some of these things are rated you know. Anyway thats my 2 sence. The net is not safe, heck life aint safe! Its safe enough and you just have to watch your back, thats all. But you are not in the same boat, a friend does not shop online because he says its not safe and thats fare enough. I tell you when that thing happened to my dad it did scare me. I was also subscribed to various spam and porn lists once and that scared me. So you can either get scared and go away or keep going. And if something does go wrong you should be able to recover what you have lost, or report things. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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correct me if I'm wrong. but I think paypal converts the currencies for you when you pay in your currency don't they? Josh Most of the reason I don't like spam is because a lot of it is true. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 - Original Message - From: Ron Schamerhorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games? Hi Tom In that case a dev such as yourself could just specify that money orders accepted only when in U.S. dollars. Not only that but whenever I've looked into prices of whatever on the net be it a game or something on Ebay, I assume US currency unless it's otherwise stated. Ron - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games? Hi Ron, Yep. Money orders are good. However, They would be tough if we are handling different currencies. I don't mind excepting them if they are in U.S. dollars, but would not like them if they started showing up as Euros, Pounds, you name it. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: And there is also the old faithful money order which I believe most devs would accept. Great solution as it's hacker free. Ron ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games?
Also there are lagit consumer watch sites you can go and look at. The product you buy will usually have reviews of what its all about and almost everything is rated. Before buying my entire family check consumer reviews. This means a load of extra net searching, but its better to find out something is bad rather than being stuck with it. At 03:51 a.m. 4/07/2007, you wrote: Hi Andy, That would really make me happy if you did. (Smile) LikeI said in my earlier post polls are often misleading in they don't release the sources of the poll. If they said 75% of network admins say the internet is very unsecure for online shopping I would be really worried. If they say 90% of everyone polled today believes the internet is unsecure for shopping and don't release the technical backgrounds of those polled then I am not as worried as they may or may not have any technical knolege. For example, my wife's mother is one of those who thinks online shopping is unsafe. However, she is 70 years old, doesn't know how to use a computer, has never baught anything off the internet, has troubles figuring out how to use her vcr, and do you consider her opinion to be a reliable source. Of course not. Andy Smith wrote: Ok Im convinced. Im gonna go uninstall every single crack Iv done, then Im gonna use one of those file shreader things, so its really gonna be gone. Im gonna do it right this minute. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 2/07/2007 3:35 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 2/07/2007 3:35 p.m. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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the thing I have against checks or cash orders is they can get lost, or pinched lost mostly. I have had mail get lost. At 03:55 a.m. 4/07/2007, you wrote: Hi Ron, Yep. Money orders are good. However, They would be tough if we are handling different currencies. I don't mind excepting them if they are in U.S. dollars, but would not like them if they started showing up as Euros, Pounds, you name it. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: And there is also the old faithful money order which I believe most devs would accept. Great solution as it's hacker free. Ron ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 2/07/2007 3:35 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 2/07/2007 3:35 p.m. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Davy, The sad truth is people like Andy would crack and steel games wether they are the greatest games or the worse games on the market. His complaint is the games are over priced, but considering all the games he is complaining about were all written by single developers with little cash, time, or ability to write the next PS2 or XBox smash hit. Believe me if I had that kind of money and skill I wouldn't be writing games for the blind. I probably have the skill to do so, but not for what I would be getting back for the work. He clames the blind devs are stupid, but in actuality such smart mouthed children such as Andy Smith are the ones that could be applied to. As a game developer and application developer in general I know what skills, time, energy, etc it takes to bring one of these titles to market at all. I'm certainly not doing it for money alone, but I would like some cash for the labor involved in doing it. He doesn't realise what it takes to support a family and do this games thing on the side. He is just holy ignorant of real life demmands to make these things. If Andy thinks he can do better than Che, GMA, BSC, etc then I want to see him do it. Have at it Andy. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi David, Andy has a good point about replay value, and as you said some games aren't worth playing. However, using that as an excuse to steell the games is just out right wrong. Some games such as Lonewolf, Tank Commander, Shades of Doom, Sarah, etc are well worth the time and money to play legally. david wrote: That stupid kid! I guess he needs to understand a little more about pirating. He's only 11 I think. But I might have to agree with him on one point. Many of the games out there aren't really worth playing. Rail Racer, Judgment Day, Super Liam, Lone Wolf, Gma Tank Commander, and some others are really worth my time, and eventually, even most of those lose their replay value at some point. But I don't agree with Andy that pirating games is fun. David ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Bryan, People like Andy probably won't put game developers out of business, but it will make them take stronger measures to secure their products. For example, I am at current looking at two methods to secure my new titles. One is I can secure using hardware ID, but that can be broken. Second, is one time activation. One-time activation means each product key can only be used one time before a new one must be obtained. One time key activations are strong, but rather draconian methods to keep the game out of the hands of crackers. At some point the security methods a dev uses could actually drive legal users away. If a user has to email the dev everytime he/she needs a new key it can endup making dev and end users frustrated. Bryan Peterson wrote: It's talk like that what'll bring audio game development to a screeching hault. We've got few enough devs as it is. Keep up this crap we'll lose them all. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Oh no. I don't advocate stealing them. I was just stating an opinion. Many of the retail games do have replay value, so I don't mind paying for them. Lone Wolf would be an excellent example. David - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:50:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games? Hi David, Andy has a good point about replay value, and as you said some games aren't worth playing. However, using that as an excuse to steell the games is just out right wrong. Some games such as Lonewolf, Tank Commander, Shades of Doom, Sarah, etc are well worth the time and money to play legally. david wrote: That stupid kid! I guess he needs to understand a little more about pirating. He's only 11 I think. But I might have to agree with him on one point. Many of the games out there aren't really worth playing. Rail Racer, Judgment Day, Super Liam, Lone Wolf, Gma Tank Commander, and some others are really worth my time, and eventually, even most of those lose their replay value at some point. But I don't agree with Andy that pirating games is fun. David ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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why not send andy the source code from one of the free games and then see what he says? Josh Most of the reason I don't like spam is because a lot of it is true. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games? Hi Davy, The sad truth is people like Andy would crack and steel games wether they are the greatest games or the worse games on the market. His complaint is the games are over priced, but considering all the games he is complaining about were all written by single developers with little cash, time, or ability to write the next PS2 or XBox smash hit. Believe me if I had that kind of money and skill I wouldn't be writing games for the blind. I probably have the skill to do so, but not for what I would be getting back for the work. He clames the blind devs are stupid, but in actuality such smart mouthed children such as Andy Smith are the ones that could be applied to. As a game developer and application developer in general I know what skills, time, energy, etc it takes to bring one of these titles to market at all. I'm certainly not doing it for money alone, but I would like some cash for the labor involved in doing it. He doesn't realise what it takes to support a family and do this games thing on the side. He is just holy ignorant of real life demmands to make these things. If Andy thinks he can do better than Che, GMA, BSC, etc then I want to see him do it. Have at it Andy. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Andy, Just because 12 out of 14 people agree that something is true doesn't necessarily make it the truth. When considering a poll like that were these 12 out of 14 people highly skilled, well educated, technical computer users, or were they they group of house mothers, average Joes, grandmas, etc... My point, first figure out who the source is, and if they really have the skills to make an educated decision on the topic being polled. As a matter of fact I have been buying stuff off the internet since 1999. I've not had my credit card stolen, misused, or abused in anyway in that time. That does not mean it can't be in the future, but 8 years of successful use has proved internet purchasing is generally safe. Most services such as Paypal are very secure and safe for daily internet purchasing. The only time it isn't is when a person is fooled by spoof emails into giving away his or her info to a fake web site that clames to be Ebay, Paypal, Amazon, and so on. Now, i can understand your reluctence not to buy games over the internet, but by no means does it make it right to crack or steel games. Just because I might want a brand new car and I can't afford it or don't like the payment options available doesn't mean I have the right to just go out and swipe one. The same is true for any product for sale.You got that. If I steel something I can be fined or do jail time. Same goes for software piracy if the developer cares to report it to the proper authorities. Andy Smith wrote: Hey, Can I *please* explain my reason for doing this? And do you really trust people with your credit card numbers? Think those servers are safe? Well. Think again. In a servey someone did, 12 out of 14 people agree that that internet shopping is not secure. I actually wouldn't mindd buying games, if you could waltse into a store, pick up a cd, pay th3 $40 bucks or ewhatever it is, and be be happy; no worries, no problems. Get it? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games?
And there is also the old faithful money order which I believe most devs would accept. Great solution as it's hacker free. Ron Audyssey Editor - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games? Hi Andy, Just because 12 out of 14 people agree that something is true doesn't necessarily make it the truth. When considering a poll like that were these 12 out of 14 people highly skilled, well educated, technical computer users, or were they they group of house mothers, average Joes, grandmas, etc... My point, first figure out who the source is, and if they really have the skills to make an educated decision on the topic being polled. As a matter of fact I have been buying stuff off the internet since 1999. I've not had my credit card stolen, misused, or abused in anyway in that time. That does not mean it can't be in the future, but 8 years of successful use has proved internet purchasing is generally safe. Most services such as Paypal are very secure and safe for daily internet purchasing. The only time it isn't is when a person is fooled by spoof emails into giving away his or her info to a fake web site that clames to be Ebay, Paypal, Amazon, and so on. Now, i can understand your reluctence not to buy games over the internet, but by no means does it make it right to crack or steel games. Just because I might want a brand new car and I can't afford it or don't like the payment options available doesn't mean I have the right to just go out and swipe one. The same is true for any product for sale.You got that. If I steel something I can be fined or do jail time. Same goes for software piracy if the developer cares to report it to the proper authorities. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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o. Good thought. Never thought of that. In any case I just have one more to remove then I can start shreading everything. And then, I'm gonna go out and buy 'em the right way. On 7/2/07, Ron Schamerhorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there is also the old faithful money order which I believe most devs would accept. Great solution as it's hacker free. Ron Audyssey Editor - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of games? Hi Andy, Just because 12 out of 14 people agree that something is true doesn't necessarily make it the truth. When considering a poll like that were these 12 out of 14 people highly skilled, well educated, technical computer users, or were they they group of house mothers, average Joes, grandmas, etc... My point, first figure out who the source is, and if they really have the skills to make an educated decision on the topic being polled. As a matter of fact I have been buying stuff off the internet since 1999. I've not had my credit card stolen, misused, or abused in anyway in that time. That does not mean it can't be in the future, but 8 years of successful use has proved internet purchasing is generally safe. Most services such as Paypal are very secure and safe for daily internet purchasing. The only time it isn't is when a person is fooled by spoof emails into giving away his or her info to a fake web site that clames to be Ebay, Paypal, Amazon, and so on. Now, i can understand your reluctence not to buy games over the internet, but by no means does it make it right to crack or steel games. Just because I might want a brand new car and I can't afford it or don't like the payment options available doesn't mean I have the right to just go out and swipe one. The same is true for any product for sale.You got that. If I steel something I can be fined or do jail time. Same goes for software piracy if the developer cares to report it to the proper authorities. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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I think railracer uses this per system. We are allowed to backup our activation licence file, but it will not work on a new system. If you did that tom if there was an option to backup my licence file I wouldn't mind. At 09:44 a.m. 3/07/2007, you wrote: Hi Bryan, People like Andy probably won't put game developers out of business, but it will make them take stronger measures to secure their products. For example, I am at current looking at two methods to secure my new titles. One is I can secure using hardware ID, but that can be broken. Second, is one time activation. One-time activation means each product key can only be used one time before a new one must be obtained. One time key activations are strong, but rather draconian methods to keep the game out of the hands of crackers. At some point the security methods a dev uses could actually drive legal users away. If a user has to email the dev everytime he/she needs a new key it can endup making dev and end users frustrated. Bryan Peterson wrote: It's talk like that what'll bring audio game development to a screeching hault. We've got few enough devs as it is. Keep up this crap we'll lose them all. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 2/07/2007 3:35 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 2/07/2007 3:35 p.m. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
