Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegamecompanies with offices)
I guess to him the time was more important than the score. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegamecompanies with offices) I even played a game, showing what should be sent that was meaningful. I don't think he got the hint. We both asked him, basically, So what? Your game took 18 minutes. How did you do in that game? What was the score and the number of lives remaining, if any? It's the score that counts, not the time. Either we didn't get an answer or an explanation from him. Sheesh - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegame companies with offices) Hi Brian, Oh, they do. Just recently we've had some guy calling himself Jack F posting record times. No matter how many times Charles and myself asked, he just kept posting times. Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:22 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition - was (accessiblegame companies with offices) I've told him this as well. It's one thing to do something like that right at first (I did), but sooner or later you should realize it's not necessary since the list automatically puts Audyssey at the beginning of whatever subject line you type. I remember I did that once or twice when I first subscribed to BSC's Game Talk list (do they even run that list anymore?) but I quickly figured out it wasn't necessary since it automatically does this. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition - was (accessiblegame companies with offices) Hi, Please, don't put [Odyssey] in your messages. It's not necessary. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Castanedagarcia_Alfredo Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:48 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition - was (accessible game companies with offices) Is this game related? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Eleanor Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:30 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] disability definition - was (accessible game companies with offices) The United States government in the census data I used for the white paper defines a person with one or more disabilities as a person who REPORTS they have one or more disability. I'm sure there are definitions when you are trying to get into an assistance program, but they are perfectly happy to use self reporting for the census information. I think anyone who requires some accommodation to complete normal tasks have some degree of disability. This means people with injuries have a temporary disability until they can resume normal activities. It is my contention that most games can have some accommodations built into them to allow more people to access them. Not all games can be made blind accessible. For example, one of our games - Word Jungle - is a hidden word puzzle. It consists of a large grid that contains words in three directions and randomized letters between. The object is to find all the hidden words. That is not rated blind accessible since it would change the game too much to do so. But - with reasonable adaptations, adequate sound augmentation to the graphics, variable speed settings, controls that can be read by screen readers etc, many games could be made blind accessible if there was an interest to do so. Vision deteriorates as people get older. Macular degeneration is a disease of old age. Many people will no longer be able to play non-accessible games as they used to. This might help developers realize there is a market - which incidentally can also mean accessibility for younger VI and blind gamers. The main thing is to build the ability to change as many parameters as possible into games and other software to let people adjust it so they can use it. There are some that say that dumbs down a game. I don't see that at all. If someone can successfully play the game at half speed, what is the problem with having a setting that allows that? Anyhow - off my soapbox! Thanks Dark and Thomas for some interesting observations. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software
Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegamecompanies with offices)
Hi Brian, Oh believe me, I've f figured that out. The question now, I suppose is, why? Anyway...methinks we've battered a dead horse for quite awhile now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegamecompanies with offices) I guess to him the time was more important than the score. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegamecompanies with offices) I even played a game, showing what should be sent that was meaningful. I don't think he got the hint. We both asked him, basically, So what? Your game took 18 minutes. How did you do in that game? What was the score and the number of lives remaining, if any? It's the score that counts, not the time. Either we didn't get an answer or an explanation from him. Sheesh - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition -was (accessiblegame companies with offices) Hi Brian, Oh, they do. Just recently we've had some guy calling himself Jack F posting record times. No matter how many times Charles and myself asked, he just kept posting times. Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:22 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition - was (accessiblegame companies with offices) I've told him this as well. It's one thing to do something like that right at first (I did), but sooner or later you should realize it's not necessary since the list automatically puts Audyssey at the beginning of whatever subject line you type. I remember I did that once or twice when I first subscribed to BSC's Game Talk list (do they even run that list anymore?) but I quickly figured out it wasn't necessary since it automatically does this. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition - was (accessiblegame companies with offices) Hi, Please, don't put [Odyssey] in your messages. It's not necessary. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Castanedagarcia_Alfredo Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:48 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] disability definition - was (accessible game companies with offices) Is this game related? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Eleanor Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:30 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] disability definition - was (accessible game companies with offices) The United States government in the census data I used for the white paper defines a person with one or more disabilities as a person who REPORTS they have one or more disability. I'm sure there are definitions when you are trying to get into an assistance program, but they are perfectly happy to use self reporting for the census information. I think anyone who requires some accommodation to complete normal tasks have some degree of disability. This means people with injuries have a temporary disability until they can resume normal activities. It is my contention that most games can have some accommodations built into them to allow more people to access them. Not all games can be made blind accessible. For example, one of our games - Word Jungle - is a hidden word puzzle. It consists of a large grid that contains words in three directions and randomized letters between. The object is to find all the hidden words. That is not rated blind accessible since it would change the game too much to do so. But - with reasonable adaptations, adequate sound augmentation to the graphics, variable speed settings, controls that can be read by screen readers etc, many games could be made blind accessible if there was an interest to do so. Vision deteriorates as people get older. Macular degeneration is a disease of old age. Many people will no longer be able to play non-accessible games as they used to. This might help developers realize there is a market - which incidentally
