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Hi Che, Liam, and all,
What we are discussing here has some deep ethical concerns I don't think
we can solve. On One hand you have the die-hard SW fans on here
Hi Damien,
Just because a sound is free to download doesn't mean it isn't
copyrighted material.
An example of this is the Star Trek and Star Wars sounds. Most of the
sounds I have I found and downloaded from personal libraries on the web.
Problem is I got them for free, but Paramount and
Hi Damien,
Yes, writing games for yourself is always a possability. What you don't
share can't get you in trouble. However, if you spend months or years
working on it I see it as a shame that noone else gets a crack at it
which kind of defeats the purpose of it.
Hi Charles,
Exactly. Very few of those on this list who were blind from birth had a
chanse to play Asteroids, Montezuma's Revenge, Mysteries of the Sith,
and so on. Writing even one of these games is new ground for most folks.
Charles Rivard wrote:
For those who have never played a certain
Hi Michael,
The sword of Damoclese. is a wonderful expression of what us game
developers face. Everyone and his uncle seams to want a Herry Potter
game, a Star Wars game, this or that Star Trek game, and as a developer
I have the skills but a dangerous position to proceed with it.
I do think a
Hi Johnny,
Yes, if they sick the lawyers down on you there isn't much a one man
company can do about it except retract your free product and remove it.
Usually, a sease and desist letter would be enough to remove the
offensive material unless said person or company has the time and money
to
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Che, Liam, and all,
What we are discussing here has some deep ethical concerns I don't think
we can solve. On One hand you have the die-hard SW fans on here
: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
I hear ya man.
I wish you all the luck in the world with the Star Wars stuff, and I'll
be
one of the many Star Wars fans downloading it for sure.
Later,
Che
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: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Michael,
I to am a classic arcade nut. I was a very happy child blasting away in
asteroids, centipede, packman, Pitfall, Montezuma's Revenge, etc however
I had enough sight to get in to some of the later PC games as well.
Back in 1982 or so one
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Shaun,
Yeah, it started off I got the run around trying to find the right
department head to talk to. I emailed several with no responce, and when
I did finally get any responce I was quoted what seamed like acanned
message about
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
what i'm currently doing is making an accessible version of millionaire,
but
me and steve both had a discussion offlist and we both decided that it
might
be better to do one just for our own personal use, as celadore or eidos
oh, and also an accessible deal or no deal game.
Josh
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From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
well there is freedom
Hi,
I emailed the people who make playstation asking for accessible and to keep
it short, they said flat out no!
Josh
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well there is freedom millionaire guys.
At 08:37 p.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote:
what i'm currently doing is making an accessible version of millionaire,
but
me and steve both had a discussion offlist and we both decided that it
might
Hi Josh,
It might. Most sighties would probably think it was cool even if they
couldn't play it themselves.
Josh wrote:
also, wouldn't being able to tell your sighted friends if you had any that
you have a star wars game similar to theirs and you beat this level or that
level give you
Hi Josh,
Well, perhaps, but you would have to be very careful about it. Once a
person is served with a sease and desist letter continuing to distribute
a product could result in further legal action.
However, I don't they can really stop it circulating as say 100 people
download it those 100
Hi Josh,
I have thought about it, but I don't have dragon unpack to wrip the
sounds, and I'd have to locate my Star Wars disks.
I know where Mysteries of the Sith is as I found it in a stack of stuff
while looking for something else. Jedi Knight, Dark Forces, etc I
haven't a clue where the
Hi Ken,
I think the problem we face is that companies don't look at people, and
only seak the dollar signs before their eyes. We aren't much of a market
to make them think twice about us.
I mean even now most of the sighted games I have played for PC, PS2,
Xbox, aare far above and beyond what
Hi Michael,
That was an excelant post.
I do agree that when a game imitates another game the dev should take
care as to make it as well as they can to do many of the things the
sighted games do. There are differences though like in Montezuma's
Revenge I can not totally clearly remember the
I could give you dragon unpack if you want it.
Josh
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Josh,
I have thought
: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Michael,
That was an excelant post.
I do agree that when a game imitates another game the dev should take
care as to make it as well as they can to do many of the things the
sighted games do. There are differences though like in Montezuma's
activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Michael,
That was an excelant post.
I do agree that when a game imitates another game the dev should take
care as to make it as well as they can to do many of the things the
sighted games do. There are differences though like in Montezuma's
Revenge I can
Earlier, Liam wrote:
does anyone want to think about how totally illegal this is? Of course
not.
I'm starting to get annoyed.
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I am with Liam here. I don't think ripping off other companies
copyrighted material is something that should even be discussed here, as far
as how to do
yes. if i want to use someone else's sounds, for whatever reason, i ask them
first.
regards,
damien
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:34 PM
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
yes. if i want to use someone else's sounds, for whatever reason, i ask
them
first.
regards,
damien
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From: Che
, not arguing.
JST
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:35 AM
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Subject: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Earlier, Liam wrote:
does anyone want to think about how
quote:
I know I'm going to regret getting into this, but while you are telling him
how wrong it may be to make a starwar game using starwar sounds, whatever
happened in the cases of, say, trek2000, and previous games that are
basically just blind copies of famous sighted games?
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Well
: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
quote:
I know I'm going to regret getting into this, but while you are telling
him
how wrong it may be to make a starwar game using starwar sounds, whatever
happened in the cases of, say, trek2000, and previous games that are
basically just
Adrenaline Simulations
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From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
There is a need for games of a particular theme if no such game
Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Charles, I think you missed my point entirely.
USA Raceway doesn't fall under the category I was referring to at all.
There is currently only one decent racing
this brings up an interesting thing.
Is there a book or something maybe a tutorial about designing your own sfx.
At 08:34 a.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote:
Earlier, Liam wrote:
does anyone want to think about how totally illegal this is? Of course
not.
I'm starting to get annoyed.
end quote
I am
activity was: star wars sounds
quote:
I know I'm going to regret getting into this, but while you are telling him
how wrong it may be to make a starwar game using starwar sounds, whatever
happened in the cases of, say, trek2000, and previous games that are
basically just blind copies of famous sighted
Hi Josh,
From my dealings with Lucasfilm the answer is no. They want Royalties
which neither you or I am willing or able to pay.
Cheers.
Josh wrote:
but would paramount and Lucas arts give permission to use their sounds in
games that only blind people would be playing? Or would they still
Hi Che, Liam, and all,
What we are discussing here has some deep ethical concerns I don't think
we can solve. On One hand you have the die-hard SW fans on here that
would do anything for an accessible SW game. On the other hand you have
the major companies with the licenses saying no way buddy
Hi Che,
Quote
I respect the work and artistry that folks like Thomas have put into games
like the Star Trek stuff, but I just don't see the need for it, as for one
thing, this type of game has been done with Star Trek sounds, and why risk
getting your development company in trouble with copyright
: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
quote:
I know I'm going to regret getting into this, but while you are telling him
how wrong it may be to make a starwar game using starwar sounds, whatever
happened in the cases of, say, trek2000, and previous games that are
basically just blind copies
, January 14, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Che,
Quote
I respect the work and artistry that folks like Thomas have put into games
like the Star Trek stuff, but I just don't see the need for it, as for one
thing, this type of game has been done
Hi Shaun,
Yeah, it started off I got the run around trying to find the right
department head to talk to. I emailed several with no responce, and when
I did finally get any responce I was quoted what seamed like acanned
message about Lucas Arts holding all legal rights to Star Wars games,
and
Hi Johnny,
Well, it is possible a community as small as ours has simply gone
unnoticed by companies like Paramount, or they don't think we are worth
there time. Either way David Greenwood has never indicated having any
problems with Trek 2000 and I have never heard any complaints about STFC.
Hi Michael,
I to am a classic arcade nut. I was a very happy child blasting away in
asteroids, centipede, packman, Pitfall, Montezuma's Revenge, etc however
I had enough sight to get in to some of the later PC games as well.
Back in 1982 or so one of my favorite arcade games was Star Wars Empire
and former Editor of Audyssey Magazine
1996-2004
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From: johnny tai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:29 PM
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I don't
probably
like to see the sites.
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Che,
Quote
I respect the work and artistry
.
Michael Feir
Creator and former Editor of Audyssey Magazine
1996-2004
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From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:11 AM
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it!
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:46 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Illegal activity was: star wars sounds
Hi Johnny,
Well, it is possible a community as small as ours has
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I don't think I'm too worried about personal preferences here. I too like
original materials, but I can't say if someone to make, say, a
blind-friendly Final Fantasy game using the FF sounds, I wouldn't buy it-
hell, I'd buy
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From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 4:30 AM
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Hi Che,
Quote
I respect the work and artistry that folks like Thomas have put into games
like the Star
that's the case.
regards
damien
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From: johnny tai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:29 AM
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I don't think I'm too worried about personal
sticky situation for all of us.
regards,
damien
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From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 4:30 AM
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Hi Che,
Quote
I respect
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