Hi Thom,
I said i was willing to be proved wrong. Thanks for the info!
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
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Sent: 08 August 2012 02:16
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm
Hi Alex.
There was an oxford professor of theology I know of, who was i believe
called John stewart. I can't recall the name of the engineer, but I know
where to find it, he worked in the 19th century and designed several bridges
and supporting structures.
As to death, why do you think
Hi Dark,
well I am an atheist so I think that there is no such thing as an after
life in the sense that the bible talks about it.
I think either we stop existing entirely, or maybe we get absorbed into
the environment and affect the atmosphere of a place.
I certainly don't think we reincarnate
Well I won't debate atheism at this point sinse it's way off topic from this
list, though I will say that dismissing 4000 years of religious experiences,
ie, the experience of the none physical presence of the devine all as lies,
and asserting for definite that you know something not! to exist
Hi dark,
When you consider the fact that you cannot destroy energy, when you use it
in 1 fassion it transforms into another, for example, you gurn wood it
creats heat and light, just because the wood runs out doesn't mean the light
has also stopped it's just moved on. taking that into account,
Hi Darren.
Interesting, though technically you could argue that in entropy energy is
destroyed, or at least used up and this is what happens to consciousness, if
you were absolutely bent on the idea.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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From: Darren Harris
Hi all,
Can we please get back on topic here? I've noticed for the last couple
of days this subject has been drifting and I think we've gone too far
off topic now. So let's steer things back onto topic. One's religious
views or lack there of really has nothing to do with the subject of
braille
Hi.
We just had something like this happen to us just a few weeks ago.
anybody hear on the news about a storm that knocked out the Virginia and
West Virginia and Ohio areas? they said on the news that 80 percent of
West Virginia citizens were without power. Our power was off for 6 days.
It
Hi tom.
if braille displays were cheaper I'd agree, but the money involved is just
too much for most private individuals to afford, which is why many blind
people don't have them sinse the only way your going to get that sort of
money is out of the state, and the state can vary on what they
Hi Dark,
Sadly, you are probably right. The number of people who claim braille
is no longer needed, braille is no longer useful, braille is outdated,
etc has been growing steadily over the last 20 years as computer
technology has improved. There are certain elements within the
American special
Hi tom
I agree with dark in that the cost of braille devices is still way beyond
the average person's means. Basically braille is being killed by the price
tag attached to it.
Take a brailler for example, they are about £400 or something like that
anyway. they aren't portable, they're clunky,
Hi Tom.
Up until recently I would've fully agreed with you that despite advances in
computer technology, the instant access braille provides for lables and
other bits of information is absolutely irriplaceable. However, the
penfriend has largely for me replaced the function braille used to
Hi Damien,
You and Dark are absolutely right that cost of producing braille
material and using braille is far beyond the means of any average
blind person. That is definitely one of the leading causes of why
braille is dying out among the blind community. Its just too high to
be practical for
Hi tom,
But you see this is the problem, computer tech prices have come down
dramatically over the years as you've pointed out, but the likes of screen
readers, braillers, displays etc haven't. they've stayed the same almost or
gone up in price and the companies wonder why people aren't buying?
Hi Dark,
I'll have to look around for a penfriend and try it out. I've never
seen one before, and you are the only person I know of who has one. So
perhaps they aren't widely in circulation here in the States.
However, I'll admit, for the sake of argument, it does sound easier
for someone to
Hi Darren,
Oh, absolutely. That's why I use Linux as my primary operating system
these days. The cost of computer hardware has come down, most Windows
software is reasonably priced, but the cost of adaptive tech such as
screen readers and OCR programs like Openbook remain extremely high in
Hi Tom.
I'm not sure about the penfriend and the us I'm afraid, sinse I got one from
the rnib here directly rather than from a different company, indeed I've
been amazed that the rnib sold something so usefull :D.
As regards braille displays, well the main problem is that currently the
If all the blind tech dropped in price then I would be happy to get it.
braille is making a resergence in the education arieas here.
We don't get laptops we get braille displays now.
ofcause the units we use can cost from 7000 to 3 bucks depending
on where we get them from and I think they
Well I hope that this stuff comes soon.
A brailled apple device, windows phone or tablet or android device
would just be plain nerdy and with speech to.
all we need is tactile pictures on devices and we would be set.
At 11:44 a.m. 7/08/2012 +0100, you wrote:
Hi Tom.
Up until recently I
there are not to many braille computers.
the humanware stuff is windows ce but no games exist for that platform really.
there is the pack mate which is parmos and therefore has a better
time with programs but still.
At 06:50 a.m. 7/08/2012 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Damien,
You and Dark are
well I aggree with you.
I have to much invested in windows to actually contemplate a switch just yet.
in windows I do a lot of stuff with nvda.
I do learn braille and do read but the computer takes my time these days.
I can also type faster than I could ever braille.
Reading it is still good
Another issue tom is that all organisations here don't understand other oses.
a lot of companies have contracts with 1 or more of the main previders.
So unless those corperations switched we whould still have the issue.
in some places I worked in they only recognised jaws.
in a test subject I
Hi list, I have been reading this thread with interest.
speaking as someone who grew up using braille for the hole of what in
the UK is known as primary school, and in the US as elementary school as
well as for part of my secondary or highschool education I certainly
think braille will not be
Screen review is the reason I don't use NVDA to be honest. I've no idea how
to use the feature, and it doesn't appear to be well documented. in fact the
documentation is hard to get around and doesn't appear to be logically
organized. perhaps it's just me though? I'd definitely appreciate some
I completely agree with you yohandi, with all the points. Its just such a
shame that something with such potential has a feature that is totally
unusable.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Yohandy
Sent: 07 August 2012
Hi Alex.
I had a very similar experience as far as school goes. I'm afraid though,
while I do agree braille still has some minority uses, I'm not entirely
convinced by the if the power went arguement. Under that reasoning, well
shouldn't we all also stop using our electric ovens and learn to
Hi Alex,
Well,i don't know if I necessarily agree with your end of the world
scenario, since it seems rather far fetched, but I would agree that
all our so-called technology requires power. I have found myself in
the situation where we have a bad storm where the power goes out for
several hours,
Hi Dark,
lol, your message made me smile, the part about the early humans.
To respond to it, if we are playing the what if game, if we had an
apocalypse we also wouldn't have the equipment for making frames and
styluses lol.
I suppose your right though, in an apocalypse I suspect almost all
Hi tom
Yeah certainly if I was relying on a laptop this is true. However the iPad
lasts for so long you wouldn't believe. Also I have 2 battery packs called
iCruisers which are fantastic. I took them on a 2 week boating trip a couple
months ago and I used them to charge my phone when I had need
Hi Dark,
Point well taken. The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of
people living today lack basic survival skills. When there was the big
hype over y2k in the late 1990's a survey was done to determine how
many people had the basic survival skills to live several days or even
months
It actually sounds like a great game! If only I knew lua if anyone is
willing to code the game or something...
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Alex Wallis
Sent: 07 August 2012 16:39
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject:
Hi Alex.
Actually on the historical contributions of blind people there are more than
you think, blind poets and engineers, indeed under some historical
interpretations Homer, author of the most ancient griek epics like the odisy
was said to be blind, sinse obviously in a society which prized
HiYohandy,
Unfortunately, there is no easy way to remap or reassign keys in NVDA.
NVDA's screen review commands are based on the old ASAP screen reader
rather than Jaws which is a big reason why it is unfamiliar to you.
However, once you get use to it the screen review isn't that bad. It
even
actually a similar thing happened to me a couple of years ago, when we had
literally three foot of snow and I couldn't get out, still worse the
heating completely broke, though luckily the power was still on.
I now have several packs of tins in my outhouse just in case, and several
Actually dark your wrong, from what I can remember as to who wrote the odisy
or the audesy as we would call it. I believe it was Homer who wrote the
Iliad, in fact I know so, and I think Virgil worte the Odisy as well as the
Aeneid.
If anyone can prove me wrong, go ahead. I don't mind.
I thought ben that Virgil transcribed the odisy, sinse Virgil was writing at
the time of the Romans which was a good thousand years after the original,
though I could be wrong.
I'll have to ask my friend tomorrow who's a doctor of archaeology, unless
Tom happens to know.
Beware the Grue!
Hi Dark,
just curious, what engineers have there been in the past who are blind?
I can't name that many historical famous blind people.
I know of I think a handful, Louis Braille obviously, John Millton, then
there was the king of bohemia think it was in the 12th or 13th century.
To give him
Hi Dark,
You are correct. Homer wrote the Odyssey as well as the Iliad. Virgil
transcribed the Odyssey into Latin about 800 years after the original
was written. I don't have the exact dates committed to memory here,
but most scholars believe the Odyssey was committed to paper around
the late
Hi Ben,
On the contrary you are not correct. The Odyssey is one of two epic
poems believed to be written by Homer. According to Wikipedia it was
written during the 8th century B.C. Here is the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey
if you want more facts about the Odyssey.
Cheers!
On 8/7/12,
I also aggree with you alex I am a braille user havn't used it in ages though.
A major push is going for braille use.
The major issue is that electronic braillers are not computers.
Sure basic stuff can be done, sertain functions email office maybe a
little gaming and maybe some other bits and
I use nvda all the time but you are right on that one.
I mostly use programs with standard controls or stuff that natively
communicates with nvda like the beta of eamon deluxe, however any
complex stuff I still have a good reader like supernova or hal.
There are still a few things itunes for
Hi Knick.
I'm intreagued by the idea, but as I said I'm a little concerned of the lack
of braille displays issue, sinse it means essentially that your game will
have a 1500 pound system requirement which not everyone will have.
I loved the idea of flight commander indeed you might remember
Hi Dark,
Certainly the fact the game will require an expensive braille display
is a bit of a downer, but I think over all it is a worthwhile
project. I've played Tetris before I lost my sight and the audio
versions really didn't offer the same kind of experience. I think what
Nick is doing here
Hi Tom.
I'm not using letters as such, more the shape. because of ownership reasons i
can't make it to close to the original, but hopefully it'll have all the things
that make tetris fun with out getting me sued.
if this works thenit does present a number of avenues of investigation, sudoko
Hi Nick,
Well, the problem with using a braille display in a game like Lone
Wolf is that the game is in real time. Some times it requires making a
split decision and I'd rather not take my hands of the keyboard to
look at the braille display when I need access to something quick. In
my opinion
Hi Dark,
Well, as with everything else in life I think how useful a braille
display is depends on what a person uses it for. I've found plenty of
times where a braille display comes in handy. Especially, when it
comes to proofreading my e-mails, writing code, or just reading an
e-book rather than
Hi Tom.
I think the specific applications of braille are just getting fewer and
fewer. For instance, up until recently i'd have agreed that braille was
needed to lable items like dvds or cooker controls, but the pen friend can
actually do that far more quickly and easily than in braille.
See, I've been saying the Europeans and especially the Brittish have it so
good! I mean their RNIB DAISY audiobooks don't have any DRM, and now this
about the Free Braille displays? That's just amazing!
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Hi Ryan,
Can you send one of those displays over here? :D.
I'm afraid I disagree on the rehab front, sinse in the Uk it depends
basically on the generosity of the individual counsel during time in
education, and then access to work will only buy you things that access your
work directly
As for cheaper than a small car, work purchased a 40-cell Braille display
for me for $2700. That's cheaper than most small cars I've seen, unless you
want a clunker.
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