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From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either ge
d like to share them (for now it
hasn't supported anything indeed).
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From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
That's not t
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>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:40 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>Sorry, I can't crack that well. I do have cracks, I didn't say
that I make
>
ist"
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in
> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our
> market.
> - Original Me
Sorry, I can't crack that well. I do have cracks, I didn't say that I make
them (though I can sometimes).
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From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
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>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>>I know (I
"Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in
> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our
> mark
rder.
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From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi Davy,
Encrypting your binary and files is a good idea. It really does h
y, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi Davy,
It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe
that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better
programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely un
Hi,
Well, sometimes no insentive is good enough to satisfy a true cracker.
Sometimes they crack it just because he/she can and feels good about
steeling. Like, "Huh, I got away with it again. Muhahahaha..."
You might be able to offer some insentives sales now and then, drawings
for a prize, a di
Hi Davy,
Encrypting your binary and files is a good idea. It really does help,
but it all depends on how determined your cracker is. Even encrypted
binary files have been known to be sliced and diced before.
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Hi Davy,
It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe
that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better
programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable.
For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key
generato
Hi,
While encrypting software gives you one more layer of security it is not
invincible. Keep in mind that most encryption schemas are known by
developers and crackers alike. Even if you build a new encryption schema
it will likely follow some common encryption rules which will allow a
determin
Here it is (partially) true, don't kow how it is over there.
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From: "jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi, everyone it&#x
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Hay Josh it's Jason what is NVDA?
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> From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gamers Dis
Hay Josh it's Jason what is NVDA?
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From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaw
be appriciated. Sorry
for going off topic.
your friend,
Jason.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is
> no justification for ripping off a developers har
ot;Trouble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
you can go with encryption, but if you want what ever to be less
likely cracked. Than you better look for a paid incript
TECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>You should see my earlier message about encryption and cost and where one
>must draw the line.
>
>--
>Raul A. Galleg
maybe purchasing by phone?
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From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Another idea. Could you possibly offer incenti
>> - Original Message -
>>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Date sent: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56:52 +0200
>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>>There is one quite simple solutio
s Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>>Hi Che,
>>Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed
>few
>>year
uot;Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
You should see my earlier message about encryption and cost and where one
must draw the line.
--
Raul A. Gal
, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Encryption.
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> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list"
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy
Encryption.
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From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and ot
, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. Downside:
> it'll be less easy for the end user.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: &
The solution to making games harder to crack is that it will tend to drive
the price up. So, the developer needs to decide where to draw the line. The
more time and effort going into making a game not crackable, the more
development time and costs are incurred. this means that the game in the en
ist" Date sent: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56:52 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure.
Downside:
>it'll be less easy for the end user.
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>From: "Thomas Wa
There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. Downside:
it'll be less easy for the end user.
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From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: Re:
yeah.
its a bit like that.
At 11:15 a.m. 25/05/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Shaun,
>Regardless of weather someone puts an, " if you like this buy it, " type
>message on it it is still software piracy and is still theft.
>Look at it like this. If a guy puts out a crack out for an accessible
>game, slaps
Hi Shaun,
Regardless of weather someone puts an, " if you like this buy it, " type
message on it it is still software piracy and is still theft.
Look at it like this. If a guy puts out a crack out for an accessible
game, slaps a disclaimer on it knowing full well most people will ignore
it, and
Hi Che,
Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few
years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've
heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work
being illegally shared there.
Bottom line though there isnt much we can do ab
h. And once I become more familiar with it and my wife
also has more time to play it then I'll buy codes for us.
Josh
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From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:38 PM
Su
pain. it's the same thing with my band and cd's.
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From: "Liam Erven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> it's all
om: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list"
>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>Because of the speech abilities I suppose
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>> I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to
>> consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the
>> software its
t; Che
>
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>From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>> well,
>> not to open a flam
ED]>
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>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>> well,
>> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
>> blind-related software, they are really really r
>the paid stuff is.
>
>Josh
>
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>From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>>
&g
to a friend or family
member and they just might buy them for you.
Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers.
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From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyss
of these sites you refer to, you have my
> address.
> Thanks,
> Che
>
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> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list"
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] P
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From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That&#x
doing.
Later,
Che
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From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Che. I'm all for discussing anything game related,
ion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:11 PM
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> Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic.
> If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out
> there, we are goin
se friends will certainly share
it themselves. Thus you'll get a whole chain of people that is hard to stop.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:11 PM
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From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this t
ers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we
> here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a
> payment plan. This i
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>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>> On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software.
>> However in most of the sighted software th
eriss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:51 PM
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> thats human nature.
> To be fare I think the general consumer pirate is not a problem, its the
> people in china sellin
le 40-cells model will be excepted
since my old one is 5 years old. But that's how things are done here,
probably not over there.
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From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:59
Well, I don't know. It's been posted on usenet quite a few times anyway.
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From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible
iscussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>
>Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies
>(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking
>for people
thats human nature.
To be fare I think the general consumer pirate is not a problem, its the people
in china selling products for a buck cracked in my opinion that are the biggest
bad guys.
Not even I would go that low.
One must draw the line somewhere.
There is a difference betwene bending some
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>From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>well,
>not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
>bli
ect: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>I understand, thats why nvda exists.
> I have seen pirated coppys of such things as screenreaders but have
> refused the temptation.
> I won't argue I have felt the urge.
> This is probably one reason why the opensource i
t;
gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM
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Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on
the Web a while ago.
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;Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
>
>> well,
>> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
>> blind-related
I understand, thats why nvda exists.
I have seen pirated coppys of such things as screenreaders but have refused the
temptation.
I won't argue I have felt the urge.
This is probably one reason why the opensource industry started.
No copywrite or vary little.
Its a comunity copywrite really.
And mo
: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on
the Web a while ago.
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From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> well,
> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
> b
Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on
the Web a while ago.
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From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of acces
I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday.
Josh
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From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> I agree tha
how and why is jfw appealing for sighted people? I thought that jfw was for
blind people.
Josh
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From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of a
powerful as
the paid stuff is.
Josh
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From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
>
> Liam: of course I do not blame you,
eriss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software.
> However in most of the sighted software thats been crack
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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> well,
> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive
From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
well,
not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
blind-related software, they are really really real
JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you
can get a crack for it.
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From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy
Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies
(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking
for people to crack
The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to
get away with it.
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ic access to illegal software. and maybe
I have a biossed opinion, but then my games are up there on this site. so
would you blame me?
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From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 A
well,
not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive!
I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for
example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy
the game, instead of... bu
On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software.
However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this piece
in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it.
You take the good with the bad.
At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote:
> Hi all,
>
Hi all,
I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books,
movies and other stuff for download by the blind.
Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few cracks
of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was taken
aback at fi
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