Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Hi Darren, Yeah, but John's idea of a software escro is the best solution to the problem I have heard yet. The idea would allow for agreements to share or distribute the software with the author/developer while they are active, and the escro repository could then offer those files even if the parent company goes out of business. Darren Harris wrote: Yes that's the point. And this is the classic argument of free where abanden where. Which is why I would seriously air on the erge of causion with regards to sharing software. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes for sure anything that is supported actively by the developers can only be a good thing and also it will host a much wider range of programmes/games. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 21 October 2007 14:40 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi Darren, Yeah, but John's idea of a software escro is the best solution to the problem I have heard yet. The idea would allow for agreements to share or distribute the software with the author/developer while they are active, and the escro repository could then offer those files even if the parent company goes out of business. Darren Harris wrote: Yes that's the point. And this is the classic argument of free where abanden where. Which is why I would seriously air on the erge of causion with regards to sharing software. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 20/10/2007 14:59 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Darren, I agree with the point you raised if possible the author/developers permission should attempt to be obtained before redistributing a title which has been abandoned. A case in point TJ is known to be ok to pass around because PB Games has publically stated it and Dark Destroyer, Duckblaster, etc are now effectively abandonware with full rights to pass around. However, recently someone was passing around one of ESP's games which had been abandoned, but Draconis now owns the rights to it. Josh publically stated not to share the program, but people did it anyway which was going against the current owners wishes. As for the issue you made about freeware I beg to differ on that point. Freeware is not necessarily abandonware and vice-versa. For example, STFC is freeware, but by no means is it abandoned or would I give people permission to hack it's source, and try and sell it, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Richard, No it is not certainly black and white, but I do believe that it would be best if permission can be obtained before offering abandonware. Allot of times the licence agreement attached with the software will state what should be done with the software.It is also something that should be based on a case by case basis. To use STFC as my example here. Even though STFC 1.0/1.2 are freeware when I release 2.0 I will consider 1.x versions abandonware. Now, since I would be abandoning 1.x versions for 2.0 does that give users the right to pass 1.x versions around? Well, suppose for example I don't want 1.x versions to be passed around do to bugs, because I no longer support it, because I think they should upgrade, whatever. It is down to what the users want verses what I want as the developer. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web Site with Audio Games
Hi John, Yes, exactly. A developer has to be careful about putting something in the public domain. For example, I liked Dark Destroyer by PB Games. Since it is now technically public domain I could write a clone version and sell it or at least offer it as a free download. However, even though it is public domain I would personally ask Philip for permission before doing something like that. yet, the game is at risk from being taken over by another developer, and Philip would be hard pressed if he later changed his mind and wanted it back. John Bannick wrote: Ari et al, As a commercial game developer, we can't put our games in the public domain, else we lose our intellectual property rights. What that means in practice is that by giving the people you want free access, you also give other people, and companies, the right to steal your stuff. Not so good! That's just the way the courts work. Richard's central repository is a fine source of games as it is. Though I understand that if the linked site for an abandoned goes away, or changes, then getting that game becomes problematic. John Bannick CTO 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Darren, What you are talking about is called intellectual property rights. In the Communist view everything should be communal property, and there is no such thing as individual property or wealth. It is a popular idea, especially in the open source movement, that believe software development should be free and source code should be available to everyone. Allot of folks on say the Blind Movie Buffs and the Lost in the Stacks lists have no quoms about sharing audio books, described movies, and some software. We have to ask ourselves a hard question. Just because they believe or think it should be ok to share those things, they justify it 101 ways and twice on sunday, does it really make it right? The fact is most of us here don't live in a communist society, and we live in a capitalist society. The rules of a capitalist society is that whatever you want you have to pay for it, you have to enter into legal agreements, and we have individual and company property. Believe it or not when you buy the latest Harry Potter book you are paying for the right to read it, and not the right to own it. You can't simply copy it page for page and share it around, copy the disks, because you have pirated it from the publisher and the author. Did you know when you buy software from Microsoft it is there legal opinion you have purchased the right to use the software only. You do not have the right to physically own that software. That is why they are going with product activation etc. They are in a sense trying to make it so they totally control weather or not you have the right to use the software, and if they find out you hacked, cracked, pirated, or done any other license violation they revoke your online activation and black list your product key. Anyway, getting back to the point of this long message is that generally laws state that software belongs to the owner or parent company that created it unless expressed in writing. We can't simply pass around music, software, books, just because we believe that makes us have the right for reason x. We can intellectualize the matter 11 ways, but you run the risk of coming up against the laws intellectualworld view on the matter. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Marsha, The expiration on a copyright really depends on the country in question. Generally, I think 50 years is pretty average world wide unless of course the copyright hasn't been renewed. I've seen this many times for example an older book that is copyrighted in the USA is now public domain in Australia or the United Kingdom. One of these recently Ifound was Gone With the Wind. In the USA it still has copyrights attached, but the family/current owners didn't keep them up to date in other countries so it is public domain in various places in the world. Munchie Lady wrote: Hi What is the timeline for a copyright? Do some of these absentee game developers even remember about their games? Marsha --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Hi Ron, In the case you mentioned where all efforts fail I'd probably go ahead to, but leave open the option to take it down if the author or owner makes a formal request to do so. Just from an observation here, but I suspect most audio games aren't copyrighted anyway. Allot of them probably haven't formally been presented to the copyright offices, and copyrighted which means that there isn't any copyright infringement in hosting the uncopyrighted game. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: I'd have to totally be on side with Richard here. If eforts to contact a dev are made without response I'd go ahead until further notice. Ron Audyssey Editor --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, It is true usually there is a good reason why game x is abandoned by the developer. For example, take Giftinum. It was an ok game, but it could have been written allot better. In the scheme of things it left much to be desired for me. Self-destruct was not really that much of a big deal for me either. I tried it, but removed it a week later. I just couldn't get into it, and I personally didn't like it that much. My point being here that these games were abandoned by the developers, and they weren't exactly best sellers or top quality games to start with. Some of the abandonware games like Shellshock were dooddle games. Something the developer cranked out for a five minute game. I myself have written some dos games which are now technically abandonware. There is a STFC for dos, a Super Black Jack game, high low, and Hangman. They are not on the USA Games site because I am not technically supporting them at the moment. shaun everiss wrote: that true to. Also some games that are abandonware are total junk or not writen well. selfdestruct is ok, but in the scheme of things it was really not much fun after a bit. Tarzan juniour is good, but all the pb stuff was abandoned because of the quality. Except for tj, duckblaster and showdown the rest of the pb stuff sucked in my opinion. Shellshock was ok when I first got it but I can't honestly say I find it that interesting these days. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] Web site with audio games
There is a software legal concept called escrow where software can be archived and unavailable until some accepted triggering event. In the commercial realm, we use that to ensure that some piece of third-party software is available if the vendor goes out of business. Perhaps Richard's group, or someone who has more time (smile) could establish something like that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, A software escrow repository would rock. Yes, that would insure the software would have a long shelf life long after the developer quits, goes out of business, abandons project x, etc... John Bannick wrote: There is a software legal concept called escrow where software can be archived and unavailable until some accepted triggering event. In the commercial realm, we use that to ensure that some piece of third-party software is available if the vendor goes out of business. Perhaps Richard's group, or someone who has more time (smile) could establish something like that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Hi, This certainly doesn't happen for mainstream gaming unless you go to various pirate sites. Why would the developers keep old stuff? Whilst I see what you are saying and do apreciate it, at the same time, unless someone has uploaded a copy of what ever game to their website not taking into account asking permission from that developer, that's still a form of piracy. There won't be many programmers that will do this. I wonder how many developers have made their games freewhere and not been concerned about someone gaining access to the programming code? There will always be someone that can unlock it, modify the game call it something else and resell it under their name. because if it's freewhere then you effectively abanden all rights to that game or piece of software -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 19 October 2007 08:04 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 18/10/2007 17:47 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
There's a difference between abandonware and freeware. Freeware is where the game never cost you a penny in the first place, or the developer decided to stop charging for it. Abandonware is where the developer in effect gave up on the game and could really care less about it anymore, so in that case a lot of developers just allow people to do whatever they want with the game, since in a lot of cases the game isn't complete or has a lot of bugs in it, etc. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi, This certainly doesn't happen for mainstream gaming unless you go to various pirate sites. Why would the developers keep old stuff? Whilst I see what you are saying and do apreciate it, at the same time, unless someone has uploaded a copy of what ever game to their website not taking into account asking permission from that developer, that's still a form of piracy. There won't be many programmers that will do this. I wonder how many developers have made their games freewhere and not been concerned about someone gaining access to the programming code? There will always be someone that can unlock it, modify the game call it something else and resell it under their name. because if it's freewhere then you effectively abanden all rights to that game or piece of software -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 19 October 2007 08:04 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 18/10/2007 17:47 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I aggree arrie. We do need a site where some of the abandonware can be put up. Some of the games you mention can be got from the soundrts site indirectly, as the german downloads site that stores one of the soundpacks for soundrts has most of the games. At 08:04 p.m. 19/10/2007, you wrote: Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 08:04 p.m. 19/10/2007, you wrote: Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd have to totally be on side with Richard here. If eforts to contact a dev are made without response I'd go ahead until further notice. Ron Audyssey Editor - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi Darren, I understand the issues with piracy pretty well. But I'd like to bring forward this point: If a free demo, like The Blind Eye, that used to be available for download for free, can now not be downloaded because the original website has disappeared, because the research team members that developed the game 10 years ago have all gone their own seperate ways, who incidentally don't reply my emails asking whether or not it is a problem that this game is available for download through AudioGames.net for back-up purposes only (so asking permission!), would be available on AudioGames.net for download including all the legal stuff saying this game is copyright The Blind Eye project etc etc etc - would you consider that piracy? It's not black/white in my opinion... Richard - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi, This certainly doesn't happen for mainstream gaming unless you go to various pirate sites. Why would the developers keep old stuff? Whilst I see what you are saying and do apreciate it, at the same time, unless someone has uploaded a copy of what ever game to their website not taking into account asking permission from that developer, that's still a form of piracy. There won't be many programmers that will do this. I wonder how many developers have made their games freewhere and not been concerned about someone gaining access to the programming code? There will always be someone that can unlock it, modify the game call it something else and resell it under their name. because if it's freewhere then you effectively abanden all rights to that game or piece of software -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 19 October 2007 08:04 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 18/10/2007 17:47 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
Re: [Audyssey] Web Site with Audio Games
you guys have good points all round. At 10:11 p.m. 19/10/2007, you wrote: Ari et al, As a commercial game developer, we can't put our games in the public domain, else we lose our intellectual property rights. What that means in practice is that by giving the people you want free access, you also give other people, and companies, the right to steal your stuff. Not so good! That's just the way the courts work. Richard's central repository is a fine source of games as it is. Though I understand that if the linked site for an abandoned goes away, or changes, then getting that game becomes problematic. John Bannick CTO 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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that true to. Also some games that are abandonware are total junk or not writen well. selfdestruct is ok, but in the scheme of things it was really not much fun after a bit. Tarzan juniour is good, but all the pb stuff was abandoned because of the quality. Except for tj, duckblaster and showdown the rest of the pb stuff sucked in my opinion. Shellshock was ok when I first got it but I can't honestly say I find it that interesting these days. At 08:42 p.m. 19/10/2007, you wrote: Hi, This certainly doesn't happen for mainstream gaming unless you go to various pirate sites. Why would the developers keep old stuff? Whilst I see what you are saying and do apreciate it, at the same time, unless someone has uploaded a copy of what ever game to their website not taking into account asking permission from that developer, that's still a form of piracy. There won't be many programmers that will do this. I wonder how many developers have made their games freewhere and not been concerned about someone gaining access to the programming code? There will always be someone that can unlock it, modify the game call it something else and resell it under their name. because if it's freewhere then you effectively abanden all rights to that game or piece of software -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 19 October 2007 08:04 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 18/10/2007 17:47 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hay everyone thtnks for answer this question I am glad that audio games will keep a back up database for the abandoned games. sincerely, Jason - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi Ari, AudioGames.net is in my opinion a perfect spot for this. In the past we already hosted several abandoned games like The Blind Eye, but with changes in the site, many links became obsolete. However, we do keep a database with copies of as many abandoned games we can find. I'll try and see if I can fix some. If you want a certain game available for download, email me. And if a developer objects to their abandoned game being available for download through AudioGames.net, please also email me :) Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi What is the timeline for a copyright? Do some of these absentee game developers even remember about their games? Marsha --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well no I wouldn't personally, but then again I am happy to download several types of audio material from various sites on the net which I won't mention here for fear of breaking some list rule or something. You are quite correct that piracy isn't so black and white, but then again here's a few arguments to consider: 1. if you are perfectly happy to download music, movies etc from various sites that supply such things without paying for them does that make you a pirate? Some would say yes some would say no. some people would say yes because if you have any form of software or own any material that you have obtained by any means than it being given you as a present or any other legal way then that makes you a pirate. Even if you don't actually distribute it. 2. some people would say that by backing up various material onto cd, dvd etc, then that also makes you a pirate because you are then putting it onto a distributable device. Such as a cd dvd etc. I know what you are saying and I actually agree with you totally on this. But you have to be careful that someone doesn't just go and say hang on that's mine what the hell are you doing. even if it is their responsibility to maintain a means of contact. Especially in this day and age. We are in the self serving age. Where by you will be had up in court for something as stupid as spilling hot coffee and doing the company concerned. Hmmm I wonder if that person has ended up on the darwin awards yet? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Incidentally, I just fixed the download link of The Blind Eye... - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi Ari, AudioGames.net is in my opinion a perfect spot for this. In the past we already hosted several abandoned games like The Blind Eye, but with changes in the site, many links became obsolete. However, we do keep a database with copies of as many abandoned games we can find. I'll try and see if I can fix some. If you want a certain game available for download, email me. And if a developer objects to their abandoned game being available for download through AudioGames.net, please also email me :) Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Hi Darren, I understand the issues with piracy pretty well. But I'd like to bring forward this point: If a free demo, like The Blind Eye, that used to be available for download for free, can now not be downloaded because the original website has disappeared, because the research team members that developed the game 10 years ago have all gone their own seperate ways, who incidentally don't reply my emails asking whether or not it is a problem that this game is available for download through AudioGames.net for back-up purposes only (so asking permission!), would be available on AudioGames.net for download including all the legal stuff saying this game is copyright The Blind Eye project etc etc etc - would you consider that piracy? It's not black/white in my opinion... Richard - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi, This certainly doesn't happen for mainstream gaming unless you go to various pirate sites. Why would the developers keep old stuff? Whilst I see what you are saying and do apreciate it, at the same time, unless someone has uploaded a copy of what ever game to their website not taking into account asking permission from that developer, that's still a form of piracy. There won't be many programmers that will do this. I wonder how many developers have made their games freewhere and not been concerned about someone gaining access to the programming code? There will always be someone that can unlock it, modify the game call it something else and resell it under their name. because if it's freewhere then you effectively abanden all rights to that game or piece of software -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 19 October 2007 08:04 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 18/10/2007 17:47 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Hi Ari, AudioGames.net is in my opinion a perfect spot for this. In the past we already hosted several abandoned games like The Blind Eye, but with changes in the site, many links became obsolete. However, we do keep a database with copies of as many abandoned games we can find. I'll try and see if I can fix some. If you want a certain game available for download, email me. And if a developer objects to their abandoned game being available for download through AudioGames.net, please also email me :) Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello all I agree with this message we should have a database for back up software. I usually put all of my game downloads on to disk but however I think a back up database would be benificial. your friend, Jason - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] Web Site with Audio Games
Ari et al, As a commercial game developer, we can't put our games in the public domain, else we lose our intellectual property rights. What that means in practice is that by giving the people you want free access, you also give other people, and companies, the right to steal your stuff. Not so good! That's just the way the courts work. Richard's central repository is a fine source of games as it is. Though I understand that if the linked site for an abandoned goes away, or changes, then getting that game becomes problematic. John Bannick CTO 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Yeah, there're sites like this out there for mainstream games as well. There's an entire site deticated entirely to abandonware, not just games but software as well. I agree this is an excellent idea. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've never seen the jump game and snowball wars. Do you have those two? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi Ari, AudioGames.net is in my opinion a perfect spot for this. In the past we already hosted several abandoned games like The Blind Eye, but with changes in the site, many links became obsolete. However, we do keep a database with copies of as many abandoned games we can find. I'll try and see if I can fix some. If you want a certain game available for download, email me. And if a developer objects to their abandoned game being available for download through AudioGames.net, please also email me :) Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.0/1077 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 9:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games?
thanks for that richard, I forgot about this. audiogames.net is a big resource and if not the main gaming collection board its one of the main ones at least. At 09:19 p.m. 19/10/2007, you wrote: Hi Ari, AudioGames.net is in my opinion a perfect spot for this. In the past we already hosted several abandoned games like The Blind Eye, but with changes in the site, many links became obsolete. However, we do keep a database with copies of as many abandoned games we can find. I'll try and see if I can fix some. If you want a certain game available for download, email me. And if a developer objects to their abandoned game being available for download through AudioGames.net, please also email me :) Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Web site with audio games? Hi all, I'd like to mention a problem which I think we as audio and blind gamers should really take seriously and somehow solve. The problem is this: we must have some sort of central site which houses abandonware of our games. This is, not just so that we can access them later if we need to, but also because I think it's a real pity that if so much effort has been put into developing an audio game, we should be able to play it if the developer abandons the project or closes the site down. I'm talking about many games here, The Blind Eye, Tarzan Junior, The Savage Gambit, Shell Shock, PCS DOS stuff, all sorts of these games really can't be found easily if at all. I know that people could say that people should have backed up files when downloading, but, take my case, for example, where the problem with that is that a few years ago when I was downloading them, flash sticks weren't that cheap, and my old laptop didn't have any sort of CD writer. I only backed up what could fit on the wonderful stiffy disk, and my new computer now doesn't have a drive for them! And what will happen if more once-off audio game developers who made a game decide to close down? Just a bit of advice here, back up all your game files you have, as you never know if, for example, a company like Spoonbill or UA Games, or anyone for that matter can't, or decide to abandon distribution of their games entirely. We have now got much more choice when it comes to gaming, but I still don't think that that allows us to forget or ignore the older stuff. Ari Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 5:41 p.m. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
