think you're
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine was A Brief Tribute
Hi Shaun,
While the Audyssey
Hi Shaun,
While the Audyssey Magazine has been temporarily on hiatus the last
couple of years I happen to believe it will be back sooner or later.
Not what Ron's situation is and why he hasn't been able to put out an
issue for a while I don't foresee it lasting forever.
Besides Audyssey is so
, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine was A Brief Tribute
Hi Shaun,
While the Audyssey Magazine has been temporarily on hiatus the last
couple of years I happen to believe it will be back sooner or later.
Not what Ron's situation is and why he hasn't been able to put out an
issue
! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine was A Brief Tribute
Hi Shaun,
While the Audyssey Magazine has been temporarily
: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine was A Brief Tribute
Hi Shaun,
While the Audyssey Magazine has been temporarily on hiatus the last
couple of years I happen to believe it will be back sooner or later.
Not what Ron's situation is and why he hasn't been able to put out an
issue for a while I don't foresee
Dark sadly I know a lot of sighted games that still run from the cd
or need the cd for varification when run so I think while a lot don't
that this seems to be an industry practice rather than a minority one.
I don't care for this either.
it puts extra ware on the drive and disks, and for a lot
Hi Charles,
Smile. I just couldn't resist mentioning it seeing that it was ironic
you were busting Shaun's chops for not reading his messages and turned
out you obviously hadn't done that yourself.
Cheers!
On 11/7/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
Yep, I missed that one, as we all
Hi Shaun,
Well, these days most newer games come on DVD not CD, and the really
high-end games for Play Station III etc come on blue ray discs. There
are many good reasons why companies do this. Besides being able to use
it as a type of copy protection, forcing people to physically own the
media,
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't have a problem with Azabat producing
card, puzzle, and board games. As I recall they were one of the first
to come out with an accessible Drafts game. What always got on my wick
is the way they implemented their games by running them directly from
the CD.
Hi Charles,
I know, but I can see their rationality to a point. The fact of the
matter is most people world wide who are blind and low vision are over
the age of 50. So that much make sense. However, as Dark has stated
many times the majority of their funds are gotten through wills and
charitable
Hi Tom.
Well the Vb issue is a separate one, but to just concentrate on design for
the second, I agree taht there is a place for games like Azabat, and
certainly they have produced some unique games, however what irritates me
about their company isn't just the running from the cd it's the
Hi Tom.
Your very right about games, however bare in mind what takes up a huge
amount of space is graphics! especially the hyper complex, performance heavy
3D nonsense that most games have nowadays, just look at the relative size of
audio and visual files.
Of course, we've not had a
, November 08, 2013 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charles,
Smile. I just couldn't resist mentioning it seeing that it was ironic
you were busting Shaun's chops for not reading his messages and turned
out you obviously hadn't done that yourself.
Cheers!
On 11/7/13, Charles Rivard
Hi Dark,
I do take your point, and for the most part agree with it. That is
very bad, and a very sad state of affairs when organizations like the
RNIB treat something like Azabat as the best solution in terms of
games when Jim Kitchen's or Spoonbill's games are cheaper and much
better examples of
Hi Dark,
Yes, exactly. It is the high definition cut scenes, 3d graphics, etc
that accounts for 90% of the size of modern games. The sounds and
music is certainly a factor, but not as much as the graphics.
To give you an example I was looking at Star Wars Battle Front, that
is a game from a few
Yeah as games get bigger and bigger I can see the reason.
I have several games given to me which are 1 or 2 gb in size loaded
on my drive.
And I have the old silent steel which I loaded on drive and made the
cfg file run it all from the drive which is 2gb.
So having 20 gb of installed game on
well its why I still use my xp laptop for gaming.
Most of the old vb6 games do not work right on 7.
The newer ones do thank goodness.
At 02:49 AM 11/9/2013, you wrote:
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't have a problem with Azabat producing
card, puzzle, and board games. As I recall they
Well to be honest the best solution is to have an ftp server but as
general users probably don't have the cash to afford a remote ftp or
have the means to run one without going over their cap or unless
spending more on the data it may as well be impossible.
Dropbox is good if you share folders
Well you can run wordpress off the audyssey server.
wordpress.com hosts your blogs.
wordpress.org allows you to download wordpress.
I have a site on wordpress.com but I have also co admin with someone
that has a site directly on a server with wordpress.
At 11:20 PM 11/6/2013, you wrote:
Hi
Hi,
Well, it make sense that accessible games be aimed at a specific
target market. As I have said before reaching universal accessibility
is really difficult to do unless it uses very simple user interfaces
such as text which is good for blind, deaf, sighted, etc but is still
not right for
Hi Shaun,
Yes, I know that already. In case you have forgotten I am presently
running Wordpress on the USA Games site, but have not written a blog
entry on their in a long time. So I am quite familiar with downloading
and installing Wordpress on a website.
Cheers!
On 11/6/13, shaun everiss
Hi Shaun,
Actually, running an FTP server is not all that expensive. If someone
wants to he or she can do it from home using an extra desktop PC and
some open source FTP software. Personally I'd setup a Linux server for
this purpose since I know all the software I need is free and
relatively
Hi Charles,
I just had to point this out to you, but I found a spelling mistake in
this message. You meant to spell find, f i n d, and you typed fond, f
o n d. Maybe you should practice what you preach? :D
Cheers!
On 11/6/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
A good idea is to listen
, October 30, 2013 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charlse.
when it comes to games like swamp, shades of doom etc, I disagree
they are! designed for the blind as you ubiquitously put it.
In britain anything designed for the blind is automatically aimed
at the over 70's more
Hi Shaun,
Well, I think it goes without saying that many people have long
standing biases when it comes to the blind and that includes some
organizations and agencies who should know better. Organizations like
the R.N.I.B. mainly deal with the elderly on a daily basis so have
totally geared their
...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charles,
I just had to point this out to you, but I found a spelling mistake in
this message. You meant to spell find, f i n d, and you typed fond, f
:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Shaun,
Well, I think it goes without saying that many people have long
standing biases when it comes to the blind and that includes some
organizations and agencies who should know better. Organizations like
the R.N.I.B. mainly deal
Hi tom.
Even in the Uk, though the attitude of the rnib is held by some
organizations, there are some who are better. People may remember a few
years ago the organization Guide dogs organization I've always been a major
fan of for their generalized good attitude and habbit of pushing people
Hi Charlse.
While I won't say the rnib's attitude makes sense I am quite aware why they
have it.
Actually, where as with deafness or mobility issues there is a good
proportion of people who have them in younger life, the majority of blind
people actually are! over the age of 70. Last
well I do use wordpress, and do in fact have it
on 2 such blogs one of which I own.
At 09:10 PM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Hi Cara,
Well, that is an interesting suggestion to be sure. One advantage to
havig a blog such as Wordpress is that people could leave feedback for
the author's and comment
Well editors should correct mistakes though those that do post should
indevour to fix as much as they can.
Editors in some cases do put the magazine or whatever together unless
its handled by someone that puts things ttogether before distribution
at least that is what I understand of the deal.
I aggree tom nothing is 100% accessable.
same as nothing is 100% secure.
I just got a notification of yet another ms security update.
At 09:25 PM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Hi Dark,
Definitely true. No game in the universe is 100% accessible to
everyone else in the world. It can be something as
Well sertainly I'd like some catogry system but I wouldn't like a
entire giant list as I feel there would be to many though I aggree
that that would be good.
I actually don't have to many, more things like catogries and extra
indexes means more to track.
At 09:40 PM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Hi
I aggree with dark.
I am a bit lazy in this reguard, but then
I can't remember my last article I did so who knows.
At 11:29 PM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Hi Kara.
What I meant is it is unfair to lumber an editer with the job of
spellchecking every single article. An editer certainly can check
One thing that is not touched on as ar as I know is the dictionary used.
When I used to use office, it always used the us dictionary.
and the program made it quite fiddly to make
that change to another dictionary stick.
so some words were wrongly spelt by the checker for my country.
Yes I
Hi Shaun,
Well, that may be the case, but as I said earlier on list I think if
we do decide to setup a blog we will run it directly off the Audyssey
server. I would like to keep everything together on the same site,
same server, etc.
Cheers!
On 11/6/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com
Hi Shaun,
Well, that could be a problem, but I think what we are looking for in
terms of article submissions that are submitted using international
English. I'm not sure but I believe that is usually U.S. English
unless otherwise noted. Plus there are plenty of other proofreading
tools besides
Hi Shaun,
Well, I know a lot of people are a bit lazy in regards to spelling,
proper grammar, punctuation, etc but I think the also forget that
practice makes perfect. The more a person gets use to spelling words
correctly, adding correct punctuation, and using proper grammar in a
casual document
Hi Shaun,
As I said before the senior editor of the magazine actually puts the
magazine together. If we were talking a professional magazine like
News Week, Readers Digest, Popular Mechanics, etc there is a senior
editor who goes through and selects the articles that will go in the
magazine,
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I know. That irritates me as well. I'll be going through the
Audio Games Forum, find a Dropbox link for something I want to
download, and discover the link has expired. Dropbox has its use such
as sharing a podcast, with a friend or two, but not for storing weeks
or months of
I can see where you are coming from.
Accessable games seem to be routed at one dissability or another.
Now ofcause I am blind so I concentrate on that but it does get me
thinking what others are out there.
I do aggree with the universal access thing myself.
At 12:22 AM 11/1/2013, you wrote:
: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Shaun,
Well, I know a lot of people are a bit lazy in regards to spelling,
proper grammar, punctuation, etc but I think the also forget that
practice makes perfect. The more a person gets use to spelling words
correctly, adding correct punctuation, and using proper
-
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charles,
Well, yes, but I think Dark's point was that the author's rough draft
should attempt to be spell checked
Hello Shaun,
I don't think that we need a bunch of editors. One or two dedicated
editors is really all we need. It is just a matter of getting the
editors we do have to set aside personal time etc and get it done. We
can do it, and it doesn't require an army of editors to put together a
basic
Hi Tom.
I also would not recommend dropbox unless you have the space money and
bandwidth for perminant hosting, indeed it somewhat irritates me when
someone on the audiogames.net forum asks for something, say an old copy of a
now abandoned game, an audio demo or whatever and someone just
Well you sertainly have hit the zombie right there.
I know our local blind org has experimented with audiogames sertainly
knows about them.
Would they publish an interesting mag, probably but I am not sure
about the reviewing process.
We would need editers and people in all countries that had
you are right there tom.
If you still think there is a need then I'll definate like to help edit it.
If we are serious in turning this magazine from old crappyness into
the wow I had about 10 years ago we need a few things.
1. A group of editers and such that handle things, true a lot
does
Hi Cara,
Well, that is an interesting suggestion to be sure. One advantage to
havig a blog such as Wordpress is that people could leave feedback for
the author's and comment on reviews, articles, news postings, etc.
Cheers!
On 10/31/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Hi,
Yeah, I don't really get Dark's comment either. The purpose of an
editor is to correct spelling mistakes, correct punctuation mistakes,
and occasional correct a grammatical error or two when they happen. I
know for instance in reading the mails from this list on a daily basis
that some people
Hi Dark,
Definitely true. No game in the universe is 100% accessible to
everyone else in the world. It can be something as simple as the menus
and status messages being in a different language, or something more
complex like an audio game being accessible to a blind player but not
a deaf one.
Hi Dark,
Woe, let's slow down a bit here. I don't think I was actually
suggesting creating sections for one switch games, closed captioning,
and so on. Those are important, but as you said they are discussed
elsewhere. I was thinking more in terms of having sections of games
that are more
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charlse.
when it comes to games like swamp, shades of doom etc, I disagree they
are! designed for the blind as you ubiquitously put it.
In britain anything designed for the blind is automatically aimed
Hi Shaun,
Sigh...I think you are making a big deal out of nothing. There are
always solutions for the things you seem to think are barriers to
developing high quality accessible games.
Let's take licensing. If a developer is only interested in developing
games based on trademarked and licensed
history of ignorance.
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- Original Message -
From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charlse.
when
Hi Kara.
What I meant is it is unfair to lumber an editer with the job of
spellchecking every single article. An editer certainly can check for
content or length or whatever, but just the dull mechanics of getting words
spelt write is really up to the author.
Heck, if you submitted an
Hi Tom.
Well if in effect what we're saying is that textual games such as
gamebooks, brouser games etc are accessible to anyone with an alternative to
read print even if they cannot hear, why not just have a page somewhere on
the site saying as much or note it in appropriate reviews of
Hi Dark,
Ah, that makes sense, and I agree that the person submitting the piece
should do his or her best to spell check and proofread the document
before submitting it to the editor for final editing and inclusion in
a publication.
On 10/31/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
Hi Kara.
What I meant
Hi Dark,
That's precisely what I am talking about. Having a page where people
can look up largely universally accessible games, or stating in a
review that game x is almost universally accessible. That is basically
all I was getting at to begin with.
Cheers!
On 10/31/13, dark d...@xgam.org
Fair enough tom, that sounds like an idea, I just wasn't sure how much you
were going to go into this, after all while I completely and absolutely
agree that looking outside vi access is a good idea, at the same time it
does need to be part of the considderation.
Just to give an example,
AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Kara.
What I meant is it is unfair to lumber an editer with the job of
spellchecking every single article. An editer certainly can check for
content or length or whatever, but just the dull mechanics of getting
words spelt write is really up
Actually charlse, for editing articles for academic publication at least, I
can tell you for certain that they don't!
Editers are responsable for length, content, suggestions of alterations, but
spelling and grammar is held to be the responsability of the author, as is
layout and references.
Hi Charles,
Well, yes, but I think Dark's point was that the author's rough draft
should attempt to be spell checked and proofread for errors before
being submitted to the editor therefore making the editors work a bit
easier. I know in my own case whenever I write a document in
LibreOfficeOrca
Hi Dark,
Submitting articles for newspapers and other publications such as
magazines is the same. It is the author who is responsible for his or
her spelling and proper use of grammar. Although, the editor may make
corrections or point out errors that need to be made before the
submission is
Hi Dark,
Point well taken. Obviously, Audyssey has always been primarily
concerned with games for the blind and low vision, and that will
remain our primary focus. Really, what I said earlier was a throw away
comment and too much has been made of it as my actual meaning and
intent got lost
Message-
From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:18 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charles,
Well, yes, but I think Dark's point was that the author's rough draft
should attempt to be spell checked and proofread for errors before
being
Hi Bryan,
While I understand someone's concern usually a good spell checker will
accept both spellings for a word. For instance, ambiance can be
spelled a m b I a n c e or a m b I e n c e, and LibreOffice will
accept both without complaint. So I don't know that Americanizing
someone's article is
hmmm I am interested in hybred games.
audio and text would make best of both worlds.
voiceovers and such to maybe if we can handle it to with audio and
also spoken text that appears on screen a screenreader can read who knows.
Pure text maybe depends what the game is.
At 06:20 PM 10/30/2013,
, but Labs are a close second.
- Original Message -
From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hey all
Let me first begin by saying that I discovered a copy of #55
, October 30, 2013 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Charles,
No offense I don't think many sited people would join this list.
Mailing lists are for the most part a thing of the past in the minds
of most people today. No one wants their email inboxes filled up with
messages
.
---
Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Shaun,
For some people
Hi Shaun,
I agree the best of both worlds are highbred's like Destination Mars
or Dodge City Desperados precisely because they don't need lots of
graphics, are fully accessible using a screen reader, and still have
plenty of game sounds etc to qualify as an audio game. Interesting
enough I have
hi tom.
i do think text based games do have their place for sure. unfortunately if you
look at a lot of browser based text games there isn't much imagination put into
them a lot of the time. with acceptions like core exiles or space odacey. i
think this is why people are losing interest in
Hi Tom.
That idea of separate categories sounds like a good one, plus then of course
I could add the links to reviews or walkthrus to relevent entries on
audiogames.net. I've already been doing this with sites like applevis, and
it would be no trouble to do it with audeasy either.
Beware
hi tom
you could use stattic graphics in the game to illustrate a given situation. so
as well as a bang that you'd hear you'd see a static version of the explosion
as well. a few games use this tactic as well and this also has encouraged
people to write in and submit additional graphical
Hi Tom.
While I do see your point and generally speaking would agree, at the same
time the Iphone has seen more than a few interactive audio dramas which
directly buck this trend.
Codename Signus, the Freq, Blindside and quite a few others, even to a large
extent games like papasangre which
I Agree on that one darren, more than a few text games just don't use
themedium particularly well, and don't include descriptions, atmospheric
text or anything else. It's really quite disappointing.
Fortunately though ther are still a few good ones out there.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
---
Hi Darren,
I've noticed that as well. A lot of text based games such as browser
based games have a lack of a good storyline which is a real problem
for that genre of game since those sorts of games are really Dependant
on a good storyline and decent writing. All the same if we had one or
two
Hi Dark,
I see your point. That is in fact why as I am working on the
descriptions for the Audyssey Magazine, list, etc I am strongly
considering removing the word blind from the website, and am going to
focus more on what types of games etc are discussed here. I think as
long as we act as though
Hi Tom.
It is what I actually wrote in the 4th chapter of my phd. The over whelming
social reaction to any sort of disability is that it's something different,
that a person with none working body parts or a medical condition that
causes them to live life differently is intrinsically another
] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Dark,
I see your point. That is in fact why as I am working on the
descriptions for the Audyssey Magazine, list, etc I am strongly
considering removing the word blind from the website, and am going to
focus more on what types of games etc are discussed here. I think as
long as we
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
I think that's a big part of the problem. Too much enphesis I think is put
on the word blind. Which isn't all together a bad thing as with any game
there needs
The point is that there is way too much placed on that word. Yes i'm blind i
don't care about saying that i an but i don't go about saying blind this blind
that. It's silly.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Date: 30:10:2013
Hi Tom
For sure I'll send out 55 to you shortly and by all means we can
colaberate on having Audyssey rise again like the phoenix.
Talk soon
On 30-Oct-2013 1:05 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Ron,
If you'd be willing to collaborate on it you could send me what you
have for issue 55 and I can
Hi Darren,
Agreed. I don't might tellig people I am blind, but I don't go around
actively labeling thing with the blind label either such as blind
games, blind computer software, blind computer, whatever. That's a bit
silly.
On 10/30/13, darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
Hi Charles,
Well, that's precisely the problem. A lot of audio games etc are
developed especially for the blind and while that does not in of
itself preclude sighted users from playing the word blind has a
negative stigma attached to it which can adversely effect their
opinion of the game or
display. so you
can't use an inclusive word like accessible games in situations like that.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
Date: 30:10:2013 3.45 pm
Hi Charles,
Well, that's precisely the problem. A lot of audio games etc
Hi Darren,
Yes, exactly. I cringe every time I see a site calling itself Blind
Software, Blind Bargains, Blind Games, or anything else that
advertises a blind specific clientele. I think too much emphasis is
made on the fact that the website caters to the blind, and we end up
shutting out sighted
Hi Darren,
I would classify Tank Commander as an audio game. That would let the
end user know right away that the primary medium of interaction is
audio rather than visual, and there is no text or braille available
for deaf-blind or deaf players. So the term accessibility is one with
specific
Yes exactly. Things do need to be opened up there for sure. The mag does need
revamping, it needs propper distribution and it needs to attract attention. If
this isn't done then its pointless and a waste of time doing the mag at all.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Dark,
That is pretty much how I feel about it as well. I don't have a
problem with stating that a game is accessible to blind gamers as long
as it is written in such a way to make sighted mainstream gamers aware
that the game is playable by them as well. The point is not to
emphasize the
Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Dark,
That is pretty much how I feel about it as well. I don't have a
problem with stating that a game is accessible to blind gamers as long
as it is written in such a way to make sighted mainstream gamers aware
that the game is playable
Good points that I do see.
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- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
well thats good tom but if this could progress to more advanced games
like shooters and such at least for sighted who knows.
those games for what they are are good to waste 30 mins of time but
not much more than that.
I usually pull these out when I can't be bothered playing audio games
with
thats all well and good darren but my sighted friends like moving
graphics, there are other things to.
The issue with audio games in general if we want to keep them blind
friendly is they need to be restricted.
No blind or disabled or at least not many would have the state of the
art i7 with 16
true tom and also blind games were vastly different from the sighted.
That gap is largly no more.
Yes there is still a difference but we are finally after quite a few
years are close enough that we have the same level of tech the
sighted has with maybe a few less things with graphics and3d fx
well I think the word blind could be substatuted as graphicless.
after all being blind is in fact not far from the truth of being
graphicless or imagless.
We are for the most part only audio enabled.
I joke with my computer and hacker friends when they ask me what is
being blind like.
And I
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Dark,
I see your point. That is in fact why as I am working on the
descriptions for the Audyssey Magazine, list, etc I am strongly
considering removing the word blind from the website, and am going to
focus more on what types
. Yes i'm
blind i don't care about saying that i an but i don't go about
saying blind this blind that. It's silly.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Date: 30:10:2013 2.52 pm
That's because of who they are designed
these
days.
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 30 October 2013 20:32
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
well true.
Ofcause a lot of people that are sighted wouldn't think twice about
how
ron what about sending the list 55 if its finnished at least we get 1
normal issue this year if its ready.
after that though we will need to get our act together on what to do with it.
All issues should still be downloadable as text and things.
My idea for the cast could either be.
1. a pdcast
1 - 100 of 180 matches
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