Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-13 Thread Valiant8086

Hi.
The big thing I like better about IE9 over 8 is that it handles 
downloading a lot better. Starting a download is simpler and you don't 
have those annoying things where you have to tell it that yes you want 
to download the file, then reload the page and hit the download link 
again just to get it to start the download. You just hit enter on the 
link, then either hit ctrl+j after you hear the notification bar sound 
to go to the download manager where you can choose what to do with the 
download or you could just press alt+s to save or alt+r to run. Like 
when Jeremy releases a new version of swamp I just press enter on the 
link in the email. IE9 opens and asks me in the information bar, rather 
than in a pop up dialogue like we're used to, what I want to do. I know 
of that because of the information bar sound, so I just hit alt+s. If I 
want to watch what the download is doing, I can hit ctrl+j to open up 
the download manager similar to Firefox. I can arrow up and down the 
list of downloads, and when I land on one that's in progress, for some 
computers jaws actually will read it every now and then when the numbers 
change, and for others it won't. I haven't figured out what makes the 
difference but when it does it, it reminds me of Voiceover's interaction 
with the download manager of Saphari on the mac. So anyway when the 
download finished, I should be aware of that if I hear the sound that 
indicates as much, even if I went off reading emails or something 
instead of watching the numbers. So I can go to the start menu and type 
dow, short for downloads of course, into the search box and arrow down 
till I hear downloads. I hit enter there and that opens my user 
account's downloads folder and, because I have set the sort order to 
date modified rather than by name, do to the fact that I also have it 
set to descending sort order, the just downloaded file is at the top of 
the list, the first item I land on. Now I really like how easy that is.


I tried chrome, but I can't find a way to turn off the loading of 
pictures. So far it looks to me like it's actually pretty darn 
simplified and non configurable. I must be missing something. I went to 
options but there's nothing like that in there, nor a way to make it 
play sounds for page loads and other events like we're used to IE doing. 
I turn off images because since I can't see them there's absolutely no 
point what so ever in waiting those extra seconds for them to load. 
Turning them off results in very noticeable improvements as far as page 
load time goes. I do miss the status bar though. I managed to turn it 
on, on my Umid MBook SE, but I don't remember how I did it. Besides, 
even when on, I don't think it shows the same information as it did in 
IE8, you know, waiding for page... etc.


You know, even though I did mention downloading a game here, I know 
we're off topic. But you have to admit, when this list gets one of it's 
frequent off topic threads going, it's usually something good. Really 
though, it's a pretty in the air question, since there are plenty of 
games that are played in, and that might be affected by the differences 
of browsers. Also, regarding the recent discussion of Jim's hardware, 
that's definitely on topic since gaming is of course affected by what 
kind of hardware you try to run it on.


Speaking of which, my Umid MBook SE turned out to be very amusing as far 
as a gaming computer goes. At first, it was nasty trying to play swamp 
until some people on here pointed out that maybe I had graphics mode 
turned on. I did, even though I can't see at all, no idea how it got 
turned on. So I turned it off and it worked fine after that. Well sort 
of. The touch pad is in the lid, just to the right of the screen. You 
operate it with your thumb, unless you really want to stick your pointer 
finger out and swipe at it that is. But it's a touch pad, not a 
trackball or even one of those little rubbery things you slide your 
finger on like a lot of linovo computers have that people are so happy 
with because they hate the way touch pads always jump all over the place 
when they're not trying to use them. Touch pads generally use heat to 
figure out where you're touching them, and I don't think the one on the 
Umid MBook SE is an exception. The problem is, your thumb takes up the 
whole thing. This means it has a hard time perceiving movements of your 
thumb since it can't really sense heat moving around on it given of 
course as I said your finger's heat takes up the whole thing anyway. The 
best way to get it to move around is to kind of swipe at it without 
actually touching it, about a millimeter away or so. It's funny because 
if you try touching it, sliding right, then lift your thumb and move 
back to the left, press your thumb down on it and swipe right again, 
trying to turn to the right, you actually turn left or just kind of 
dance around and don't get very far. There are two buttons on the left 
side of 

Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-12 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Valiant8086,

Thanks for letting me know that.

BFN

- Original Message -
Hi.
I just checked and NVDA seems to work fine with HJ pad also, just FYI.

Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-11 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Hayden,

Oh, cool, I didn't know that NVDA could use the sapi5 voices.  Thanks for letting me 
know.  Some day I will have to install and check out NVDA.  But right now since I wrote 
my own Email program it reads my Email unattended using the ATT Crystal voice and 
then throws me into HJ Pad to write my out going Email.  And for some reason Jaws works 
well with HJ Pad. grin  And Jaws works fine with the I E version 6 that I am 
running on my Internet and Email computer.  Jaws 4.02 also apparently works well for me 
on my game development computer in the VB6 IDE as represented by the list of games below. 
 So really other than that Jaws 4.02 doesn't speak automatically for the Atlantic City 
black jack game, I am very happy with how it does work.

The Triple Talk hardware synthesizer can be connected either via USB or serial 
cable.  It has the same speech chip as the Double Talk hardware synthesizer.  
It is very responsive with Jaws 4.02.  And of course it uses almost no system 
resources as compared to a software synthesizer such as Eloquence.  It to me is 
as responsive as the Accent SA hardware synthesizer used to be with Jaws for 
dos on a dos computer.  But for some reason, maybe because it is a serial 
synthesizer the Accent SA is not as responsive with Jaws 4.02.

Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, 
coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, 
Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, 
Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J 
Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee

Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course 
maker, monopoly board maker

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You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-11 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

The dealer having set rules for when to hit or stay was why I was confused when 
you said

The other difference is from what I've seen so far Alantic City
Blackjack just seems to have a better A.I. Its nothing specific I can
put my fingure on, but the A.I. tends to know when its a good time to
hit, stay, or double which I like. I like your Blackjack game too, but
I seem to win more than I lose and I've seen the computer player make
several bad calls during the course of a game. As I said its not
anything specific I can put my finger on, but it just seems to happen
more often than Atlantic City Blackjack.

BFN

Jim

I wouldn't even write Email without a spell checker.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-11 Thread Valiant8086

Hi.
I just checked and NVDA seems to work fine with HJ pad also, just FYI.

Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable.


On 12/11/2011 5:56 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:

Hi Hayden,

Oh, cool, I didn't know that NVDA could use the sapi5 voices.  Thanks 
for letting me know.  Some day I will have to install and check out 
NVDA.  But right now since I wrote my own Email program it reads my 
Email unattended using the ATT Crystal voice and then throws me into 
HJ Pad to write my out going Email.  And for some reason Jaws works 
well with HJ Pad. grin  And Jaws works fine with the I E version 6 
that I am running on my Internet and Email computer.  Jaws 4.02 also 
apparently works well for me on my game development computer in the 
VB6 IDE as represented by the list of games below.  So really other 
than that Jaws 4.02 doesn't speak automatically for the Atlantic City 
black jack game, I am very happy with how it does work.


The Triple Talk hardware synthesizer can be connected either via USB 
or serial cable.  It has the same speech chip as the Double Talk 
hardware synthesizer.  It is very responsive with Jaws 4.02.  And of 
course it uses almost no system resources as compared to a software 
synthesizer such as Eloquence.  It to me is as responsive as the 
Accent SA hardware synthesizer used to be with Jaws for dos on a dos 
computer.  But for some reason, maybe because it is a serial 
synthesizer the Accent SA is not as responsive with Jaws 4.02.


Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, 
Concentration, coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, 
Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, 
Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes 
and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, 
Trucker, Yahtzee


Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf 
course maker, monopoly board maker


Jim

You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread dark
Well Tom, I know Hal supports ie 9 sinse I've seen the access files for it 
at least.


I don't mind multitabbed brousing just as long as I can turn it off as is 
the case in Ie8, along with turning off toolbars, searchbar and all the 
other rubbish that gets stuck on pages, sinse really all I want is the 
webpage and nothing else! is that so hard?


I dislike multi tab brousing because when I've got three or four pages open 
at a time, I like to just flick instantly betwene them and have one around 
at once, especially on occasions when I've got three or four things open as 
when I'm playing Core exiles with the main game window, galaxy plotter and 
Ce db site all! open at once, or when I'm coppying information from one page 
to go on an audiogames.net entry.


I just could never get the logic of tabs, it seems insane to me to have a 
number of pages open on one page. I prefer it to be just like having any two 
windows open so that I can alt tab betwene them.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread shaun everiss

well I have the latest nvda.
Ie9 is faster and has standards complience.
Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think 
there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not 
found a way to hide it.

However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like.
Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download 
manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new 
window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, 
but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is 
passed its used by date.

So eventually we will have to start using it.
Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc.
I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be 
ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that.

win8 will be fully ribbonised though.
At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Dark,

No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet
Explorer 8 for a number of reasons.

First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on
Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which
not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or
miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc.

Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of  stuff on the screen. Not
just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool
bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I
hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to
keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no
longer simple and straight forward.

However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon
controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move
forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc
all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer
would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless
someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their
lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later.

As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome  because
it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of
features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to
be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their
products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about
Chrome is its not bloated like I.E.

Cheers!


On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change?

 I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I
 really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can
 alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that.

 I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars,
 multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off,
 so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6.

 I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse
 frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version.

 is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used
 to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an
 annoyence than an upgrade?

 While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest
 bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention
 games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect
 of.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread shaun everiss
I have turned off the toolbars, and multitab brousing for the most 
part, but find that since using nvda for full reader I have seldomly 
had to interact with toolbars, the same with ie9.
My only issue is that at least in nvda progress bars don't speak and 
the download ariea is a bit strange.

But oh well.
At 08:04 a.m. 10/12/2011 +, you wrote:
Well Tom, I know Hal supports ie 9 sinse I've seen the access files 
for it at least.


I don't mind multitabbed brousing just as long as I can turn it off 
as is the case in Ie8, along with turning off toolbars, searchbar 
and all the other rubbish that gets stuck on pages, sinse really all 
I want is the webpage and nothing else! is that so hard?


I dislike multi tab brousing because when I've got three or four 
pages open at a time, I like to just flick instantly betwene them 
and have one around at once, especially on occasions when I've got 
three or four things open as when I'm playing Core exiles with the 
main game window, galaxy plotter and Ce db site all! open at once, 
or when I'm coppying information from one page to go on an 
audiogames.net entry.


I just could never get the logic of tabs, it seems insane to me to 
have a number of pages open on one page. I prefer it to be just like 
having any two windows open so that I can alt tab betwene them.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread Ben
Ribbons are the worst thing Microsoft ever did, apart from windows 7 itself,
imho

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 10 December 2011 09:44
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

well I have the latest nvda.
Ie9 is faster and has standards complience.
Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there
is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way
to hide it.
However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like.
Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager
is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats
ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu
just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date.
So eventually we will have to start using it.
Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc.
I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be
ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that.
win8 will be fully ribbonised though.
At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Dark,

No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet 
Explorer 8 for a number of reasons.

First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on 
Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which 
not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or 
miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc.

Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of  stuff on the screen. Not just 
the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars 
and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate 
using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep 
up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer 
simple and straight forward.

However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls, 
and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All 
of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab 
web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features 
like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing 
to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to 
get use to the new U.I. sooner or later.

As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome  because 
it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of 
features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to 
be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their 
products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about 
Chrome is its not bloated like I.E.

Cheers!


On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
  Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change?
 
  I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but 
  frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a 
  window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do
that.
 
  I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, 
  toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much 
  turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6.
 
  I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, 
  sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version.
 
  is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to 
  get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is 
  more of an annoyence than an upgrade?
 
  While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a 
  manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not 
  to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to 
  be more suspect of.
 
  Beware the grue!
 
  Dark.
 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread dark
Funnily enough, I know lots of people with quite normal sight who dislike 
ribbon controls.


Microsoft really made an error there i think, but i doubt it'll be corrected 
in windows 8.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.


Ribbons are the worst thing Microsoft ever did, apart from windows 7 
itself,

imho

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 10 December 2011 09:44
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

well I have the latest nvda.
Ie9 is faster and has standards complience.
Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think 
there

is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way
to hide it.
However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like.
Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager
is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and 
thats
ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text 
menu

just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date.
So eventually we will have to start using it.
Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc.
I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be
ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that.
win8 will be fully ribbonised though.
At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Dark,

No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet
Explorer 8 for a number of reasons.

First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on
Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which
not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or
miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc.

Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of  stuff on the screen. Not just
the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars
and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate
using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep
up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer
simple and straight forward.

However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls,
and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All
of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab
web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features
like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing
to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to
get use to the new U.I. sooner or later.

As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome  because
it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of
features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to
be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their
products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about
Chrome is its not bloated like I.E.

Cheers!


On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change?

 I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but
 frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a
 window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do

that.


 I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg,
 toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much
 turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6.

 I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another,
 sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version.

 is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to
 get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is
 more of an annoyence than an upgrade?

 While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a
 manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not
 to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to
 be more suspect of.

 Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread shaun everiss

well you love it or you lothe it.
Sighted find it a bit bad to, though its just another thing to get used to.
And ribbons will get old eventually to.
At 01:27 p.m. 10/12/2011 +, you wrote:

Ribbons are the worst thing Microsoft ever did, apart from windows 7 itself,
imho

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Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 10 December 2011 09:44
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

well I have the latest nvda.
Ie9 is faster and has standards complience.
Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there
is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way
to hide it.
However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like.
Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager
is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats
ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu
just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date.
So eventually we will have to start using it.
Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc.
I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be
ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that.
win8 will be fully ribbonised though.
At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Dark,

No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet
Explorer 8 for a number of reasons.

First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on
Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which
not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or
miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc.

Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of  stuff on the screen. Not just
the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars
and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate
using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep
up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer
simple and straight forward.

However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls,
and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All
of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab
web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features
like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing
to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to
get use to the new U.I. sooner or later.

As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome  because
it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of
features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to
be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their
products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about
Chrome is its not bloated like I.E.

Cheers!


On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
  Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change?
 
  I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but
  frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a
  window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do
that.
 
  I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg,
  toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much
  turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6.
 
  I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another,
  sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version.
 
  is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to
  get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is
  more of an annoyence than an upgrade?
 
  While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a
  manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not
  to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to
  be more suspect of.
 
  Beware the grue!
 
  Dark.
 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

This is really way off topic for the list so I'll consider this my
last message on the subject. However, there are certainlyh advantages
to having multiple tabs open in a single browser window. Especially,
if you are sighted which is the target market the new browsers are
designed for in the first place.

If you are perhaps shopping for a certain Christmas present you can
compare prices with other websites simply by opening wal-mart.com,
amazon.com, overstock.com, etc all in the same window and see all of
the prices and features on screen at once. You can bring the one you
want to look at more closely to the foreground, but if you can see it
having all of that information right there on the screen is easier
than trying to open every one of those websites in separate windows.

I know when I was looking for laptops there were several I was
considering buying. The easiest way to narrow it down was to open each
page in its own tab and quickly toggle through the tabs to compare
information by looking at them side by side so to speak. I think it
was easier than having say 10 windows open and having to hunt around
for the one I wanted when all I had to do is control+tab or
control+shift+tab to the tab I wanted to view.

In short, multitab browsing, the tool bars, etc is like anything else
in life. Its there if you want it, if you like the feature, and if not
you don't have to use it.  It comes down to personal choice.

Cheers!


On 12/10/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Well Tom, I know Hal supports ie 9 sinse I've seen the access files for it
 at least.

 I don't mind multitabbed brousing just as long as I can turn it off as is
 the case in Ie8, along with turning off toolbars, searchbar and all the
 other rubbish that gets stuck on pages, sinse really all I want is the
 webpage and nothing else! is that so hard?

 I dislike multi tab brousing because when I've got three or four pages open
 at a time, I like to just flick instantly betwene them and have one around
 at once, especially on occasions when I've got three or four things open as
 when I'm playing Core exiles with the main game window, galaxy plotter and
 Ce db site all! open at once, or when I'm coppying information from one page
 to go on an audiogames.net entry.

 I just could never get the logic of tabs, it seems insane to me to have a
 number of pages open on one page. I prefer it to be just like having any two
 windows open so that I can alt tab betwene them.

 Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-10 Thread Thomas Ward
Shaun,

I.E. 9 can easily be disabled by unchecking it in optional updates
under Windows 7. However, given the fact that most applications use
ribbons, most browsers have multitabbed browsing, browsers have a
separate download manager window, etc most of the features in I.E. 9
you'll probably want anyway or will have to get use to using
eventually.

On 12/10/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 well I have the latest nvda.
 Ie9 is faster and has standards complience.
 Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think
 there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not
 found a way to hide it.
 However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like.
 Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download
 manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new
 window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to,
 but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is
 passed its used by date.
 So eventually we will have to start using it.
 Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc.
 I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be
 ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that.
 win8 will be fully ribbonised though.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

That seems a very weerd approach, being as 50 percent of blind people are 
over retirement age, and as you pointed out the vast majority even of the 
ones under that are unemployed anyway. While Dolphin did fill educational 
contracts in this country, sinse those were largely based on personal choice 
or the choice of the L e a (local educational authority), they were largely 
filling contracts for individuals.


That has also served them well, sinse obviously once a license is bought, 
people can maintain their software for a standard upgrade price, and don't 
need to buy another license, which is manageable even on incapacity bennifit 
and disability living allowence.


Ironically enough with me, it was almost the opposite way around, sinse 
after I finished my degree, I assumed the disabled students allowence 
wouldn't cover more equipment so bought the upgrades for Hal myself, but 
then was told actually, as long as there was some factor in the new upgrade 
which would let me work on my course more effectively, i could have the Dsa 
pay for it, and sinse the majority of Hal upgrades included things like 
greater access to pdfs, ms office or the internet most have been covered by 
my dsa, - though by no means all.


Then again I've always tried to be careful and only spend student allowence 
on things actually needed for work. That was why when i bought my rowland 
r09, I found the price of a mono voice recorder (I tink an olympus model), 
had the dsa pay that much, then paid the extra myself for the r09 sinse I 
obviously wanted it to do other things than just record my research 
assistant reading articals for me,  she is also paid out of my dsa as 
well, and to preempt a question, no scanning wouldn't work.


Firstly I never found a particularly efficient scanning program at the time 
(try combining articals on metaphysics with scan errors, it's not fun).


Also, post graduate research in a humanities subject involves basically 
pulling hundreds of jernal articals off a shelf, or scanning a book very 
quickly and seeing if there is anything vaguely relevant. I cannot skim 
read, neither can a scanner, but by having an intelligent person who knows 
my work, can search on the library computer system and can in fact skim read 
for me and give me a general overview of an artical, I can sort of 
approximate the needed skill, which is why I pay for someone out of my dsa 
in this case, more to the point, someone who already has a masters herself.


Beware the grue!
Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.



Hi Dark,

Sure. I definitely do not disagree with you. Dolphin's payment plan
certainly is more fair. So is GW Micro's. However, as Freedom
Scientific is largely funded here in the USA through government run
state agencies they really do not have any incentive to change their
payment plan or be more competitive because they have government
funding.

Someone like GW Micro who doesn't necessarily get a large percentage
of sales through government agencies had to find ways to make their
product more affordable so they started their lease to own payment
plan as well as a traditional SMA payment plan for upgrades. As a
result someone on SSI or SSDI is actually better off investing in a GW
Micro product because its affordable and the company doesn't expect
you to drop $900 at a drop of a hat. Its just not realistic given the
fact over 80% of all blind Americans are unemployed and are living in
section 508 government housing.

Plus ever since I began working with Henter-Joice/Freedom Scientific
products they always struck me strictly as a stuffy white collar type
of company. It was clear from the beginning Jaws, Job Access With
Speech, was intended to be for business professionals and large
corperations. There aim or goal was not to target the average home
user but schools, government agencies, large businesses, or blind
computer users who were gainfully employed in some capacity.  It
wasn't intended to be for the average home user, but obviously that's
what ended up happening because BSVI, BVR, DBS, and other state
agencies purchased Jaws, trained their clients, and then could not
successfully find them gainful employment Thus resulting in several VI
users who have state funded computers with Jaws, Openbook, etc but no
decent paying jobs to keep the software up to date.

Cheers!


On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi tom.

I suppose that's reasonable from a busienss perspective, but stil I much
prefer dolphin's system on this.

no extra upgrades, no pro or standard, you want it, you pay for it!

In fact the only real deal they have is the ability to pay for the next
version upgrade in advance and get cash off.

beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread dark

Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change?

I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I 
really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can 
alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that.


I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, 
multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, 
so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6.


I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse 
frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version.


is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used 
to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an 
annoyence than an upgrade?


While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest 
bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention 
games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect 
of.


Beware the grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

Hmmm, maybe that is a difference in rules then, as I have always known the 
dealers rules to be that the dealer hits on 16 and below and stays on 17 and 
above.  Except for a soft 17 which the dealer can stay or hit.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram and 
my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all running 
Windows 7.  Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter.  But they run 
plenty fast enough for me with what they are running.  You know like VB6 and 
all of the games etc that I create with it.

I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it.  A lady called the other 
day and was running it.  Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices 
reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers.

Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer, not 
Eloquence.

BFN

Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,Wo
w...that's old enough. The voices to which you refer make up the eSpeak
Engine; that is the NVDA default, but there are ways og fetting eloquence or
SAPI to work(no, I don't know anything about triple talk hardware synts).

Best Regards,
Hayden


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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Kitchen
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:47 AM
To: Thomas Ward
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

Hi Thomas,

Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram
and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all
running Windows 7.  Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter.  But
they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running.  You know
like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it.

I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it.  A lady called the other
day and was running it.  Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices
reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers.

Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer,
not Eloquence.

BFN

 Jim

O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again?

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Brandon Misch
plus, you can use your sapi voices with nvda too. 

On Dec 9, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Hayden Presley wrote:

 Hi,Wo
 w...that's old enough. The voices to which you refer make up the eSpeak
 Engine; that is the NVDA default, but there are ways og fetting eloquence or
 SAPI to work(no, I don't know anything about triple talk hardware synts).
 
 Best Regards,
 Hayden
 
 
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 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Jim Kitchen
 Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:47 AM
 To: Thomas Ward
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
 
 Hi Thomas,
 
 Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram
 and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all
 running Windows 7.  Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter.  But
 they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running.  You know
 like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it.
 
 I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it.  A lady called the other
 day and was running it.  Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices
 reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers.
 
 Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer,
 not Eloquence.
 
 BFN
 
 Jim
 
 O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again?
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Well, the processor speed of your computers is fast enough to run Win
7, but you don't have enough memory on either one. Windows 7 requires
a bare minimum of 1GB of ram for the operating system and at least 2
GB or more if you want to run Microsoft Office, Jaws, Internet
Explorer, etc.

Anyway, NVDA comes with a free synth called ESpeak. Like you said it
sounds robotic, reminds me of one of the older hardware synths, but
there are other options. I myself use Sapi 5 voices like ATT Crystal,
ATT Mike, or the Cepstral voices since they are much more human
sounding than ESpeak.

Cheers!


On 12/9/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi Thomas,

 Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram
 and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all
 running Windows 7.  Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter.  But
 they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running.  You know
 like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it.

 I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it.  A lady called the other
 day and was running it.  Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices
 reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers.

 Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer,
 not Eloquence.

 BFN

  Jim

 O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again?

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Hayden Presley
HI,
I mentioned that one, but thanks for restating.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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plus, you can use your sapi voices with nvda too. 

On Dec 9, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Hayden Presley wrote:

 Hi,Wo
 w...that's old enough. The voices to which you refer make up the eSpeak
 Engine; that is the NVDA default, but there are ways og fetting eloquence
or
 SAPI to work(no, I don't know anything about triple talk hardware synts).
 
 Best Regards,
 Hayden
 
 
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 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
 
 Hi Thomas,
 
 Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram
 and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all
 running Windows 7.  Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter.  But
 they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running.  You know
 like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it.
 
 I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it.  A lady called the
other
 day and was running it.  Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices
 reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers.
 
 Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware
synthesizer,
 not Eloquence.
 
 BFN
 
 Jim
 
 O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again?
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

That's my understanding as well. My Blackjack game hits on 16 but
stands on 17 and above.

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 Hi Thomas,

 Hmmm, maybe that is a difference in rules then, as I have always known the
 dealers rules to be that the dealer hits on 16 and below and stays on 17 and
 above.  Except for a soft 17 which the dealer can stay or hit.

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet
Explorer 8 for a number of reasons.

First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on
Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which
not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or
miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc.

Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of  stuff on the screen. Not
just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool
bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I
hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to
keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no
longer simple and straight forward.

However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon
controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move
forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc
all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer
would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless
someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their
lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later.

As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome  because
it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of
features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to
be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their
products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about
Chrome is its not bloated like I.E.

Cheers!


On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change?

 I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I
 really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can
 alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that.

 I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars,
 multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off,
 so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6.

 I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse
 frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version.

 is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used
 to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an
 annoyence than an upgrade?

 While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest
 bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention
 games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect
 of.

 Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread dark
That's ridiculous! especially when you've already paid for the license for 
the software, however long ago it was.
Dolphin let you just buy the upgrade for a flat wrate whatever versions you 
miss.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.



Hi Shane,

Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around
2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because
of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so
far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's
exactly why I'm  switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of
Jaws SMA upgrades per year.

Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws
4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person  misses a certain number
of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to
purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course
they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has
to come up with the full amount on their own.

Cheers!


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Holy wow!
Stone age, anyone?
That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly.
Jeepers!


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

Yeah, I know it is unfair, but its because of their SMA polacy.
Basically, Freedom Scientific charges $150 for a SMA agreement which
gives you three releases for a flat rate of $50 for standard and a pro
costs like $300 for three releases at $100. Either way if you keep the
SMA up to date you'll accumulate the cost of a new version of Jaws
over several upgrades rather than one lump sum which I suppose is
fair.

However, the reason Freedom Scientific sticks you with the full cost
if you are not on a SMA plan or haven't kept it up to date is to
recoop all the money you didn't spend on the upgrades between version
x and version y. For example, if a person purchased Jaws 4.02 and kept
there SMA up to date until Jaws 13 they would have paid in $450 for
standard upgrades and $900 for pro upgrades.I guess they feel
upgrading directly from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13 shouldn't cost the user a
flat rate like $150 since other customers have invested more money
into the product keeping the company and the product going. Therefore
after so many missed upgrades the old license is nul and void and you
have ot get a new one to upgrade or get on an SMA plan.


Cheers!


On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 That's ridiculous! especially when you've already paid for the license for
 the software, however long ago it was.
 Dolphin let you just buy the upgrade for a flat wrate whatever versions you
 miss.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message -
 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.


 Hi Shane,

 Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around
 2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because
 of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so
 far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's
 exactly why I'm  switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of
 Jaws SMA upgrades per year.

 Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws
 4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person  misses a certain number
 of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to
 purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course
 they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has
 to come up with the full amount on their own.

 Cheers!


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 Holy wow!
 Stone age, anyone?
 That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly.
 Jeepers!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread dark

Hi tom.

I suppose that's reasonable from a busienss perspective, but stil I much 
prefer dolphin's system on this.


no extra upgrades, no pro or standard, you want it, you pay for it!

In fact the only real deal they have is the ability to pay for the next 
version upgrade in advance and get cash off.


beware the grue!

dark.
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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.



Hi Dark,

Yeah, I know it is unfair, but its because of their SMA polacy.
Basically, Freedom Scientific charges $150 for a SMA agreement which
gives you three releases for a flat rate of $50 for standard and a pro
costs like $300 for three releases at $100. Either way if you keep the
SMA up to date you'll accumulate the cost of a new version of Jaws
over several upgrades rather than one lump sum which I suppose is
fair.

However, the reason Freedom Scientific sticks you with the full cost
if you are not on a SMA plan or haven't kept it up to date is to
recoop all the money you didn't spend on the upgrades between version
x and version y. For example, if a person purchased Jaws 4.02 and kept
there SMA up to date until Jaws 13 they would have paid in $450 for
standard upgrades and $900 for pro upgrades.I guess they feel
upgrading directly from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13 shouldn't cost the user a
flat rate like $150 since other customers have invested more money
into the product keeping the company and the product going. Therefore
after so many missed upgrades the old license is nul and void and you
have ot get a new one to upgrade or get on an SMA plan.


Cheers!


On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
That's ridiculous! especially when you've already paid for the license 
for

the software, however long ago it was.
Dolphin let you just buy the upgrade for a flat wrate whatever versions 
you

miss.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.



Hi Shane,

Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around
2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because
of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so
far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's
exactly why I'm  switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of
Jaws SMA upgrades per year.

Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws
4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person  misses a certain number
of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to
purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course
they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has
to come up with the full amount on their own.

Cheers!


On 12/7/11, Shane Davidson sh...@shaned.net wrote:

Holy wow!
Stone age, anyone?
That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly.
Jeepers!


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

May I ask, other than no bet limit, what rules are different in Atlantic City 
black jack than in say my black jack?

Thanks.

BFN

Jim

My favorite color is red, black and chrome.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi,

BTW my computers are just about as old as Jaws 4.02.  I have never up dated any 
of the software so that it all runs the same as it did out of the box.  You 
know like if I up dated I E for instance, I bet that it would not work so well 
with Jaws 4.02.

I am just very happy that both of these computers work so well for how old they 
are.

BFN

Jim

Remember: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

Sure. I definitely do not disagree with you. Dolphin's payment plan
certainly is more fair. So is GW Micro's. However, as Freedom
Scientific is largely funded here in the USA through government run
state agencies they really do not have any incentive to change their
payment plan or be more competitive because they have government
funding.

Someone like GW Micro who doesn't necessarily get a large percentage
of sales through government agencies had to find ways to make their
product more affordable so they started their lease to own payment
plan as well as a traditional SMA payment plan for upgrades. As a
result someone on SSI or SSDI is actually better off investing in a GW
Micro product because its affordable and the company doesn't expect
you to drop $900 at a drop of a hat. Its just not realistic given the
fact over 80% of all blind Americans are unemployed and are living in
section 508 government housing.

Plus ever since I began working with Henter-Joice/Freedom Scientific
products they always struck me strictly as a stuffy white collar type
of company. It was clear from the beginning Jaws, Job Access With
Speech, was intended to be for business professionals and large
corperations. There aim or goal was not to target the average home
user but schools, government agencies, large businesses, or blind
computer users who were gainfully employed in some capacity.  It
wasn't intended to be for the average home user, but obviously that's
what ended up happening because BSVI, BVR, DBS, and other state
agencies purchased Jaws, trained their clients, and then could not
successfully find them gainful employment Thus resulting in several VI
users who have state funded computers with Jaws, Openbook, etc but no
decent paying jobs to keep the software up to date.

Cheers!


On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi tom.

 I suppose that's reasonable from a busienss perspective, but stil I much
 prefer dolphin's system on this.

 no extra upgrades, no pro or standard, you want it, you pay for it!

 In fact the only real deal they have is the ability to pay for the next
 version upgrade in advance and get cash off.

 beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Sure. Naturally Jaws 4.02 was written for the versions of the software
you are running. You can't really upgrade anything on that computer
without upgrading Jaws first since all of the newer software requires
a newer screen reader too.

For example, I assume you are running Internet Explorer 6. That's fine
for Jaws 4.02, but anything newer would be absolutely inaccessible
using that version of Jaws. Internet Explorer 9 has a totally new user
interface, new features like multitab browsing, and it uses Microsoft
UI Automation not Microsoft Active Accessibility. So unless you get a
screen reader that can use Microsoft UI Automation most newer
applications like Internet Explorer 9, Microsoft Office 2010, etc
won't work at all with Jaws 4.02. Your cheapest solution would be to
use NVDA or System Access which are cheaper than Jaws.

Then, there is the hardware requirements. I don't know what you are
running, but I imagine its pretty slow. My computer has a duel core 2
GHZ 64-bit processor with 3 GB of ram. A duel core processor runs
faster than a single core so its probably rated in the 3 GB to 4 GB
range. Since I'm running Windows 7 with the new 3d desktop etc I need
that extra processor speed and memory.

Cheers!



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 Hi,

 BTW my computers are just about as old as Jaws 4.02.  I have never up dated
 any of the software so that it all runs the same as it did out of the box.
 You know like if I up dated I E for instance, I bet that it would not work
 so well with Jaws 4.02.

 I am just very happy that both of these computers work so well for how old
 they are.

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Well, at the moment the bet limit is the only one I can think of. Its
a lot more challenging when you can't bet more than $100 per hand
because you can't just bet all of your chips at once and make a
killing with one good hand. You have to work at the game for hours to
make a decent proffit off of your initial $1000 stake.

The other difference is from what I've seen so far Alantic City
Blackjack just seems to have a better A.I. Its nothing specific I can
put my fingure on, but the A.I. tends to know when its a good time to
hit, stay, or double which I like. I like your Blackjack game too, but
I seem to win more than I lose and I've seen the computer player make
several bad calls during the course of a game. As I said its not
anything specific I can put my finger on, but it just seems to happen
more often than Atlantic City Blackjack.

Cheers!


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 Hi Thomas,

 May I ask, other than no bet limit, what rules are different in Atlantic
 City black jack than in say my black jack?

 Thanks.

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Angela,

Ok, but is this system of yours 64-bit or 32-bit? The reason I ask is
I have two laptops here running Windows 7. NVDA works fine on the
32-bit version of Windows 7 with Blackjack but has problems with
Blackjack on the 64-bit system.

Cheers!


On 12/8/11, Angela Lerma amle...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 I am running Windows Vista home premium with a duo core processor.


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 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:47 PM
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 Hi Angela,

 What kind of processor and what Windows version are you using? I've
 tried NVDA on a 32-bit system running Windows 7 and NVDA works fine.
 When I try it with the game on a 64-bit system running Windows 7 and
 it has troubles with the game. I'm trying to determine if this is due
 to the platform or simply a configuration problem with NVDA on the
 64-bit system.

 Cheers!


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 My NVDA works perfectly fine with it.


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Angela Lerma

My NVDA works perfectly fine with it.


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Hi Michael,

Oh, the game itself runs fine. Its just NVDA acts sort of funky when
the text appears on screen and NVDA wants to spell each word instead
of speak them. I have to shut NVDA up, and review it with the review
cursor. I suspect there is probably some setting I have to set to get
NVDA to read the command prompt properly.

Cheers!


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Hey, Thomas.
I don't know if it is your screen reader or not because he tested the
game on a 64 bit computer.
That is the type of windows 7 that he has.
A friend of mine has a 64 bit windows 7 computer and he said it runs 
good.

He is using System Access.
But I will pass this along to him.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Shane Davidson
Holy wow!
Stone age, anyone?
That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly.
Jeepers!
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Hi,

Holy cow! Yeah, that would  be an excellent reason for the game not to work
for him. As I recall Jaws 4.02 had problems with Windows command prompt
support. Later versions have obviously fixed this issue as I'm not having
any issues with Jaws 13 and the game. Another classic case of why the if it
ain't broke don't fix it attitude comes back to bite the person in the end.

Cheers!


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 think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Charles,

Ok, so maybe the Atlantic City black jack game is not speaking automatically 
because I am running such an old version of Jaws.  The game runs fine, I just 
need to use the review cursor.  But truthfully the only reason that I even 
tried the game was because Michael sent it to me in an Email.  I already have a 
black jack game that uses any of my fine sapi5 voices.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

Yes sir, Jaws 4.02.  But hey if you are buying me version 13 I will run it 
happily.  Well as long as it still supports the VB6 IDE so that I can continue 
to develop games such as my casino pack of games.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Charles Rivard
In this case, though, it is broke, because it won't handle the text 
properly.


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Hi,

Holy cow! Yeah, that would  be an excellent reason for the game not to
work for him. As I recall Jaws 4.02 had problems with Windows command
prompt support. Later versions have obviously fixed this issue as I'm
not having any issues with Jaws 13 and the game. Another classic case
of why the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude comes back to
bite the person in the end.

Cheers!


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think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02.


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Brandon Misch
one thing you can use is nvda with is free and would help you out in these 
times. 

On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:

 Hi Charles,
 
 Ok, so maybe the Atlantic City black jack game is not speaking automatically 
 because I am running such an old version of Jaws.  The game runs fine, I just 
 need to use the review cursor.  But truthfully the only reason that I even 
 tried the game was because Michael sent it to me in an Email.  I already have 
 a black jack game that uses any of my fine sapi5 voices.
 
 BFN
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Angela,

What kind of processor and what Windows version are you using? I've
tried NVDA on a 32-bit system running Windows 7 and NVDA works fine.
When I try it with the game on a 64-bit system running Windows 7 and
it has troubles with the game. I'm trying to determine if this is due
to the platform or simply a configuration problem with NVDA on the
64-bit system.

Cheers!


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 My NVDA works perfectly fine with it.


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

True enough. Although, there are several accessible Blackjack games
including yours they are all slightly different. What I like about
this Atlantic City Blackjack is that it uses the same rules as
Atlantic City casinos instead of Vegas casinos. Its also pretty
challenging as well.

For instance, I played a good game last night where I earned about
$500 over the initial bank roll, lost it, and began going on a losing
streak where the dealer knocked me down to $250. I slowly built myself
back up to the initial $1000 stake before quitting the game. Point
being, this version of Blackjack is definitely got good replay value,
and I think I'm going to add some of the features of this Blackjack
game to my own.

Cheers!


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 Hi Charles,

 Ok, so maybe the Atlantic City black jack game is not speaking automatically
 because I am running such an old version of Jaws.  The game runs fine, I
 just need to use the review cursor.  But truthfully the only reason that I
 even tried the game was because Michael sent it to me in an Email.  I
 already have a black jack game that uses any of my fine sapi5 voices.

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shane,

Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around
2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because
of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so
far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's
exactly why I'm  switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of
Jaws SMA upgrades per year.

Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws
4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person  misses a certain number
of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to
purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course
they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has
to come up with the full amount on their own.

Cheers!


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 That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly.
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-07 Thread Angela Lerma

I am running Windows Vista home premium with a duo core processor.


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Hi Angela,

What kind of processor and what Windows version are you using? I've
tried NVDA on a 32-bit system running Windows 7 and NVDA works fine.
When I try it with the game on a 64-bit system running Windows 7 and
it has troubles with the game. I'm trying to determine if this is due
to the platform or simply a configuration problem with NVDA on the
64-bit system.

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Michael,

Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game.  The thing is, the 
text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws.  At least it 
doesn't for me here.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread michael barnes

Hey, Thomas.
I don't know if it is your screen reader or not because he tested the 
game on a 64 bit computer.

That is the type of windows 7 that he has.
A friend of mine has a 64 bit windows 7 computer and he said it runs good.
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Charles Rivard
How strange.  I'm using JAWS 13 on a machine using Windows XP Home, and it 
works OK.  You probably do, but here's a thought:  Do you have JAWS set to 
speak highlighted text?


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Hi Michael,

Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game.  The thing 
is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws.  At 
least it doesn't for me here.


BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Brandon Misch
think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. 

On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:

 How strange.  I'm using JAWS 13 on a machine using Windows XP Home, and it 
 works OK.  You probably do, but here's a thought:  Do you have JAWS set to 
 speak highlighted text?
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
 
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game.  The thing is, 
 the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws.  At least 
 it doesn't for me here.
 
 BFN
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
Are you serious? If that is the case I could definitely see how you wouldn't
be able to run it: I'm sure Freedom Scientific have made quite a few updates
to JAWS since those days regarding it's API.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. 

On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:

 How strange.  I'm using JAWS 13 on a machine using Windows XP Home, and it
works OK.  You probably do, but here's a thought:  Do you have JAWS set to
speak highlighted text?
 
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 To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
 
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game.  The thing
is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws.  At
least it doesn't for me here.
 
 BFN
 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread michael barnes

Hey, Thomas.
Richard told me to let you know how to fix the issue you are having 
with nvda problem.

He said to turn off speeking of characters when runing a console program.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

What version of Jaws are you running. When I play Atlantic City
Blackjack using Jaws 13 it reads the text automatically. I did notice
though with NVDA it attempts to read the screen automatically, but
stutters as the text scrolls onto the screen. However, Jaws 13 seems
to work fine with the game.

HTH


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by turn off the speaking of
characters. I don't see any option remotely like that in the NVDA
preferences. Any clarification here would help.

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,

Holy cow! Yeah, that would  be an excellent reason for the game not to
work for him. As I recall Jaws 4.02 had problems with Windows command
prompt support. Later versions have obviously fixed this issue as I'm
not having any issues with Jaws 13 and the game. Another classic case
of why the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude comes back to
bite the person in the end.

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael,

Oh, the game itself runs fine. Its just NVDA acts sort of funky when
the text appears on screen and NVDA wants to spell each word instead
of speak them. I have to shut NVDA up, and review it with the review
cursor. I suspect there is probably some setting I have to set to get
NVDA to read the command prompt properly.

Cheers!


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 I don't know if it is your screen reader or not because he tested the
 game on a 64 bit computer.
 That is the type of windows 7 that he has.
 A friend of mine has a 64 bit windows 7 computer and he said it runs good.
 He is using System Access.
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-05 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
As a sidenote, is your app yet on the appstore and if so, what is its name/

Best Regards,
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Hey, Everyone.
Incase my message didn't get through yesterday I have some great news for
all!
Richard L. De Steno email me and told me that he has made a windows 
version of Atlanic city blackjack.
He just release it yesterday.
He also told me I am more then welcome to pass it out to anyone that wants
it.
The windows version features are.
Run native in windows 32 bit and 64 bit.
Have realistic sounds.
He also said that he will be working on making the rest of his games 
for windows.
He also said that he like the IOS app that I put together.
So here is the download link for the mew version of blackjack from De Steno.
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-05 Thread michael barnes

Hey, Hayden.
Yes my app is finally on the app store.
The name of the app is call De Steno Games.
it is also put out by fastintelligence.
I hope that everyone is enjoying the new game from Richard.

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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-05 Thread joseph weakland
earlier i tried the windows version of the blckjack game and i love it. any 
more windows version of games by him planned?


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Hey, Hayden.
Yes my app is finally on the app store.
The name of the app is call De Steno Games.
it is also put out by fastintelligence.
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-05 Thread michael barnes

Hey, Joseph.
Yes he is planing on doing the other five games.
The reason he had not been in the gaming picture because of personal reasons.
But however he said that he would like to do all his six games for 
windows and hopefully make some new games.
Richard was telling me yesterday in a email that he thought I did a 
great job by creating the De Steno Games IOS app.
So when he puts all his games on windows there will be the 
mobile/portable version of the games.
The windows version will be the updated versions and the 
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Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.

2011-12-05 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael,

Thanks. I downloaded and tested the new version. Its ok, but I've
noticed a bit of an accessibility issue with it.

When the text is printed to the screen NVDA tends to stutter and
speech is extremely choppy on 64-bit Windows. As I've seen this issue
before I think the issue is that Richard is streaming the text to the
console using cout instead of the older printf() function which seems
to cause some weird issues with NVDA and other screen readers on
64-bit computers. I tried it  on my old 32-bit Compaq and it was fine.
So I think the printing issue is exclusively a 64-bit computer thing.
You may want to pass this on to Richard as its a bit of a headache
playing the games when the screen readers are studdering as text
appears on screen.

Cheers!


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 Hey, Everyone.
 Incase my message didn't get through yesterday I have some great news for
 all!
 Richard L. De Steno email me and told me that he has made a windows
 version of Atlanic city blackjack.
 He just release it yesterday.
 He also told me I am more then welcome to pass it out to anyone that wants
 it.
 The windows version features are.
 Run native in windows 32 bit and 64 bit.
 Have realistic sounds.
 He also said that he will be working on making the rest of his games
 for windows.
 He also said that he like the IOS app that I put together.
 So here is the download link for the mew version of blackjack from De Steno.
 http://www.sendspace.com/file/5crzd3

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