Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-08-02 Thread Ben
Hi, Hi,
That's very helpful.  I bought those voices years ago (I mean
year'r'r'r'r'r'r'r'r'rs) ago.  Still have the discs as well, I'll get to
work on that later!

Cheers,
Ben.  P.s. Sorry to change subject slightly, but I had an idea years ago
about megatek productions and invasion of the planetrons... if anyone is
interested in talking about it you can email me off list or make a thread, I
don't care which.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-08-02 Thread weisi4u
Hello,

I have no idea on how this could pe possible, but in the blind  eye, if you 
are facing the wrong wayy, the sounds, even with stereo headphones, sound 
like it is really behind you. I don't know how they are doing it, but it 
would be cool if this could be donein Mota FPS.

Kevin

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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:41:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

 Hi Damien,
 Oh, I understand the problem.  I have done that several times myself
 even in the new first-person version of MOTA. I guess for the time
 being the best way to be sure you are facing the right way is to use
 the view menu. I haven't really come up with a good way to resolve
 that problem.
 
  -Original Message-
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On
  Behalf Of Damien Pendleton
  Sent: 25 June 2010 11:18
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  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
 
  Hi,
  The problem I tend to find is that you can turn around and, yes, all the
  sounds will pan. But I can never tell if a certain sound is behind you 
or in
 
  front of you, and then of course I walk forward and the sound is fading
  away, and then I realise that I must in fact be going backwards. That's
  where the real confusion comes in.
  Regards,
  Damien.
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-08-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Well, I'm not sure how they did that. I mean the DirectX docs are
fairly straight forward and of course I'm not accessing DirectX
directly. I am using Philips Streemway API as a bridge between my
engine and DirectX so I have no idea how to improve the virtual 3d
output beyond what is available in the technical documentation
supplied with directSound and Streemway. It is my understanding
XAudio2 has a superior virtual 3d environment but Streemway doesn't
yet support it, and it would require a5.1 surround sound setup to take
full advantage of XAudio2 to begin with.  there in lies the problem
with virtual 3d technology. Even if the game supports it there is a
good chance the end user doesn't have the hardware required to really
use it or take full advantage of it. That's why my virtual 3d
environment doesn't really require a 5.1 or 7.1 setup. I've played
MOTA on a standard laptop with little problem because it falls back to
a stereo environment if your system doesn't meet the sound card and
speaker configuration needed for virtual 3d audio.
Still I'd be interested to know what the Blind eye did to simulate
that effect. it is too bad it wasn't an open source project or I would
research the problem further. We really need more open source samples
of how to do things like this so experienced and new game developers
can find better ways to convey content through audio.

HTH


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 Hello,

 I have no idea on how this could pe possible, but in the blind  eye, if you
 are facing the wrong wayy, the sounds, even with stereo headphones, sound
 like it is really behind you. I don't know how they are doing it, but it
 would be cool if this could be donein Mota FPS.

 Kevin

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-08-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ben,
That would be ATT Mike. I happen to use him a lot when playing games
that require Sapi 5 voices.

HTH


On 7/31/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote:
 That is something that you have to learn and I speak from personal
 experience.  I'm planning on demoing it's a good day to die, only with
 unlimited amo.  Just curious what voice did they use is gma tank commander?

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-08-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Damien,
Oh, I understand the problem.  I have done that several times myself
even in the new first-person version of MOTA. I guess for the time
being the best way to be sure you are facing the right way is to use
the view menu. I haven't really come up with a good way to resolve
that problem.

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Damien Pendleton
 Sent: 25 June 2010 11:18
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

 Hi,
 The problem I tend to find is that you can turn around and, yes, all the
 sounds will pan. But I can never tell if a certain sound is behind you or in

 front of you, and then of course I walk forward and the sound is fading
 away, and then I realise that I must in fact be going backwards. That's
 where the real confusion comes in.
 Regards,
 Damien.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-31 Thread Ben
That is something that you have to learn and I speak from personal
experience.  I'm planning on demoing it's a good day to die, only with
unlimited amo.  Just curious what voice did they use is gma tank commander?

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Behalf Of Damien Pendleton
Sent: 25 June 2010 11:18
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

Hi,
The problem I tend to find is that you can turn around and, yes, all the 
sounds will pan. But I can never tell if a certain sound is behind you or in

front of you, and then of course I walk forward and the sound is fading 
away, and then I realise that I must in fact be going backwards. That's 
where the real confusion comes in.
Regards,
Damien.



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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


 Hi Allen,
 No, you won't specifically need a surround sound setup. It is one of
 those cases where if you have a surround sound setup the game
 certainly should be able to use it to full effect, but if you don't it
 will fall back to simple 2d stereo panning. If you have ever played
 Shades of Doom or Tank Commander basicly that's what happens when you
 put on a set of regular stereo headphones.  They aren't surround sound
 so they reproduce the sound in a simple 2d stereo format which works,
 you can play the game, but you lose the full effect of the surround
 sound. Make sense?
 Eventually, when Streemway is converted to XAudio2 I'll look into
 supporting 5.1 and 7.1 sound cards and speaker setups more
 specifically, but for the time being I'm not going to require that
 high tech for the fps version of MOTA. Especially, since I know the
 average gamer out here has pretty generic audio hardware that gets
 shipped in Compaqs, HP, Gateway, etc type computers. In other words
 cheap e-machine hardware that gets the job done but isn't spectacular.
 So I have to take that into account when designing my games.

 On 6/24/10, Allen allen.j...@foxvalley.net wrote:
 Hi, Thomas,

 Will the user of the 3d version need to have a surround sound speaker 
 system
 in oerder to play?

 Thanks

 Allen

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-18 Thread Charles Rivard
You've almost got it right.  A line goes from north to south, another from 
west to east, and the third goes from up to down, like climbing a wall.


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HI Tom
Yeah, makes sense somewhat.
Although, on paper it is not possible to draw a line going up in the air? 
Is

it?
On paper the vertical line is the line going from north to eastt and the
horizontal line is going from south to west?
Then you get the diagonal line that goes oblique.
So with a 3d game like you are creating, do I need a keybord with 6 arrow
keys?
Do I understand you correctly?
In your 3d game  I will move east and west with my left and right arrow
keys, north and south with my up and down arrow keys and from floor to
ceiling with yet another 2 additional arrow keys?

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Hi Nicol,
No, the line running from left to right and the line running from
front to back are completely different. They are perpendicular to each
other.  That means running in two completely different directions. Let
me give you a simple example maybe you can under stand.
On a piece of paper you draw a line from left and right, east and
west, that represents the x axis of the plane. Now, lets draw a line
running from top to bottom of the paper that runs North and South and
call that axis y. At this point we have your cross shape that points
to the four compass directions North, South, East, and West. Finally,
we are going to add a third dimension to this sheet of paper by
driving a stake through the center of that cross. We now have a new
axis running from floor to ceiling and we will call that axis z.  When
we get done we have three lines all pointing to six different cardinal
directions East, West, North, South, floor, and the ceiling. Make
sense?

HTH

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-18 Thread Muhammed Deniz

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HI Tom
Yeah, makes sense somewhat.
Although, on paper it is not possible to draw a line going up in the air? 
Is

it?
On paper the vertical line is the line going from north to eastt and the
horizontal line is going from south to west?
Then you get the diagonal line that goes oblique.
So with a 3d game like you are creating, do I need a keybord with 6 arrow
keys?
Do I understand you correctly?
In your 3d game  I will move east and west with my left and right arrow
keys, north and south with my up and down arrow keys and from floor to
ceiling with yet another 2 additional arrow keys?

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]on
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 11 July 2010 09:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

Hi Nicol,
No, the line running from left to right and the line running from
front to back are completely different. They are perpendicular to each
other.  That means running in two completely different directions. Let
me give you a simple example maybe you can under stand.
On a piece of paper you draw a line from left and right, east and
west, that represents the x axis of the plane. Now, lets draw a line
running from top to bottom of the paper that runs North and South and
call that axis y. At this point we have your cross shape that points
to the four compass directions North, South, East, and West. Finally,
we are going to add a third dimension to this sheet of paper by
driving a stake through the center of that cross. We now have a new
axis running from floor to ceiling and we will call that axis z.  When
we get done we have three lines all pointing to six different cardinal
directions East, West, North, South, floor, and the ceiling. Make
sense?

HTH

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-11 Thread Nicol
HI Tom
I also battle to understand coordinates.
What's the difference between the line running from left to right and the
line running from front to back?
Isn't the two  the same?
If I have a line from left to right and a line from top to bottom, it makes
a cross.
But how does a line from front to back looks like?

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Sent: 26 June 2010 10:39 AM
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Hi Damien,
I see. Well, that's certainly understandable. Although, it is nothing
less than a crime that your primary school didn't properly educate you
when you were young. That's there purpose regardless if you are blind,
sighted, stupid, a genious, whatever. It is not up to them to decide
who does and does not get a quality education. What idiots.
That's just predgudist what they did to you in my book.
Anyway, fortunately, understanding coordinates isn't really that hard
to learn. It is a pretty straight forward subject and I could describe
it in a couple of para graphs. Think of it this way.
You have a line running from left to right or east to west. This line
is your x axis of movement. Now we are going to draw a line from front
to back or north to south. This line of movement is going to be our z
axis. Finally, we are going to draw a third line running from up to
down or top to bottom. This line will be our y axis. So now what you
have is three different coordinates x/y/z which provides you six
directions of movement in any direction you need to go.
So if you press the c key in a game and it says something like 15, 11,
22 that means you are 15 units east of the west wall, 11 units above
the ground, and 22 units north of the south wall. Does that make
sense?

Cheers!



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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-11 Thread dark

As I said nickel, think along the hall, up the stairs and round the corner.

Kif you put your hand on the table in front of you, you can move it left to 
right, that is the x axis and that coordinate is first, you can move it 
towards you or away, that is the y access, and indeed the two form across, 
and that is all that is needed in a 2D game.


however, you can also move your hand up off the table and put it back down. 
that is the z axis, and is used in a 3D game.


So, you could have a point 5 cm along the the desk, 3 cm forwards, and 2 cm 
avoe the surface of the desk, or as coordinate 5/3/2.


that is how 3D and 2d coordinates work.

Hth.

Beware the Grue!

dark.
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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



HI Tom
I also battle to understand coordinates.
What's the difference between the line running from left to right and the
line running from front to back?
Isn't the two  the same?
If I have a line from left to right and a line from top to bottom, it 
makes

a cross.
But how does a line from front to back looks like?

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]on
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 26 June 2010 10:39 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

Hi Damien,
I see. Well, that's certainly understandable. Although, it is nothing
less than a crime that your primary school didn't properly educate you
when you were young. That's there purpose regardless if you are blind,
sighted, stupid, a genious, whatever. It is not up to them to decide
who does and does not get a quality education. What idiots.
That's just predgudist what they did to you in my book.
Anyway, fortunately, understanding coordinates isn't really that hard
to learn. It is a pretty straight forward subject and I could describe
it in a couple of para graphs. Think of it this way.
You have a line running from left to right or east to west. This line
is your x axis of movement. Now we are going to draw a line from front
to back or north to south. This line of movement is going to be our z
axis. Finally, we are going to draw a third line running from up to
down or top to bottom. This line will be our y axis. So now what you
have is three different coordinates x/y/z which provides you six
directions of movement in any direction you need to go.
So if you press the c key in a game and it says something like 15, 11,
22 that means you are 15 units east of the west wall, 11 units above
the ground, and 22 units north of the south wall. Does that make
sense?

Cheers!



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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-11 Thread Charles Rivard
It's the same difference as going north to south, east to west, top to 
bottom.  To me, saying that they are the same does not make sense.  Left is 
not right, up is not down, back is not forward.


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HI Tom
I also battle to understand coordinates.
What's the difference between the line running from left to right and the
line running from front to back?
Isn't the two  the same?
If I have a line from left to right and a line from top to bottom, it 
makes

a cross.
But how does a line from front to back looks like?

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Hi Damien,
I see. Well, that's certainly understandable. Although, it is nothing
less than a crime that your primary school didn't properly educate you
when you were young. That's there purpose regardless if you are blind,
sighted, stupid, a genious, whatever. It is not up to them to decide
who does and does not get a quality education. What idiots.
That's just predgudist what they did to you in my book.
Anyway, fortunately, understanding coordinates isn't really that hard
to learn. It is a pretty straight forward subject and I could describe
it in a couple of para graphs. Think of it this way.
You have a line running from left to right or east to west. This line
is your x axis of movement. Now we are going to draw a line from front
to back or north to south. This line of movement is going to be our z
axis. Finally, we are going to draw a third line running from up to
down or top to bottom. This line will be our y axis. So now what you
have is three different coordinates x/y/z which provides you six
directions of movement in any direction you need to go.
So if you press the c key in a game and it says something like 15, 11,
22 that means you are 15 units east of the west wall, 11 units above
the ground, and 22 units north of the south wall. Does that make
sense?

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-11 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Nicol,
No, the line running from left to right and the line running from
front to back are completely different. They are perpendicular to each
other.  That means running in two completely different directions. Let
me give you a simple example maybe you can under stand.
On a piece of paper you draw a line from left and right, east and
west, that represents the x axis of the plane. Now, lets draw a line
running from top to bottom of the paper that runs North and South and
call that axis y. At this point we have your cross shape that points
to the four compass directions North, South, East, and West. Finally,
we are going to add a third dimension to this sheet of paper by
driving a stake through the center of that cross. We now have a new
axis running from floor to ceiling and we will call that axis z.  When
we get done we have three lines all pointing to six different cardinal
directions East, West, North, South, floor, and the ceiling. Make
sense?

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-11 Thread weisi4u
Hi,

You also maybe could explain it with arrows, of tree brenches. One you ley 
down from the left of you to the right, east and west. Then one from up 
to down, you then should have a 
cross. One from left to the right, east west, X, one from further away from 
you to nearest you, Y.
Then you take one, and stick it in that cross. Like in the middle right 
through. It is now pointing below, through the cross, and upwards out of 
the cross. Y. 

Hope that helped and made sense. *smiles*
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:01:32 -0400
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 Hi Nicol,
 No, the line running from left to right and the line running from
 front to back are completely different. They are perpendicular to each
 other.  That means running in two completely different directions. Let
 me give you a simple example maybe you can under stand.
 On a piece of paper you draw a line from left and right, east and
 west, that represents the x axis of the plane. Now, lets draw a line
 running from top to bottom of the paper that runs North and South and
 call that axis y. At this point we have your cross shape that points
 to the four compass directions North, South, East, and West. Finally,
 we are going to add a third dimension to this sheet of paper by
 driving a stake through the center of that cross. We now have a new
 axis running from floor to ceiling and we will call that axis z.  When
 we get done we have three lines all pointing to six different cardinal
 directions East, West, North, South, floor, and the ceiling. Make
 sense?
 
 HTH
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-07-02 Thread Muhammed Deniz

No, was just asking.
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Hi Muhammede,
Um, just curious but why would Sarah need the resurrection stone?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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It's just a snitch.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Is that snich the one which has the reserection stone?
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Hi Phil,
Just what I need. Lol.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
No, the snitch inside the castle is there to annoy you.
You can't catch it or nor do any spells affect it.
But then I'm working on an update to the Sarah game, so I may throw in a
surprise or two concerning the castle snitch.
Phil

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Hi Phil,
After listening to the audio tutorial (of sorts) you did for Sarah
that's
on
the draconis site, I recall hearing the snitch inside the castle. Is it
possible to catch it inside?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle.
Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch.
Phil

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Hi,
I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just
wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me
not
playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Phil,
Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I
remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to
do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around,
grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of
course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a
frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series.
As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that
feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file
that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys
That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the
default setup.
Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to
manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you.
For me it gives a little

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-30 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Lol, sounds just like mythological god translations for me. Sudekh...that's
new for me, though it sounds a little more...Egyptian?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
Good question. Actually, neither if we want the actual translation
from ancient Egyptian to English which would be Sudekh. The name Set
is actually a later version of the name translated from Coptic to
English, and is the most commonly used in Egyptian studdies. The name
Seth is a Greek translation of Coptic to Greek. Confusing enough for
you?

Smile.


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 Hi Thomas,
 Which translation is more direct from Egyptian? Another excellent example
is
 Re and Ra.

 Best Regards,
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-30 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'll stick to meermortals, not the
deities from on high. Lol

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
Grin. Sorry, about your luck.
Maybe you should ask Venus out on a date. The Romans say she is always
willing and able to give a guy a good time. By the look of her busts
and paintings I guess she would definitely put all the mortal laidies
to shame in the looks department.

Laugh.


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 Dang it, I was going to make a date with Bastet sometime soon! I do like
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-29 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Hayden,
Good question. Actually, neither if we want the actual translation
from ancient Egyptian to English which would be Sudekh. The name Set
is actually a later version of the name translated from Coptic to
English, and is the most commonly used in Egyptian studdies. The name
Seth is a Greek translation of Coptic to Greek. Confusing enough for
you?

Smile.


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 Which translation is more direct from Egyptian? Another excellent example is
 Re and Ra.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-29 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Hayden,
Grin. Sorry, about your luck.
Maybe you should ask Venus out on a date. The Romans say she is always
willing and able to give a guy a good time. By the look of her busts
and paintings I guess she would definitely put all the mortal laidies
to shame in the looks department.

Laugh.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-29 Thread Bryan Peterson
Not if you encountered her Final Fantasy Legend II self LOL. You actually 
had to fight her to gain possession of some of the Magi and she was one 
tough customer. Quite apart from some nasty flame spells and a whip that did 
a lot of damage she also had a nasty Erase spell that would kill you 
instantly.

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Hi Hayden,
Grin. Sorry, about your luck.
Maybe you should ask Venus out on a date. The Romans say she is always
willing and able to give a guy a good time. By the look of her busts
and paintings I guess she would definitely put all the mortal laidies
to shame in the looks department.

Laugh.


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Dang it, I was going to make a date with Bastet sometime soon! I do like
cats, you know. Grin Looks like I'll have to call in sick.

Best Regards,
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2010-06-29 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Ah, so Venus is into the whips and chains thing. Sounds a little too
much of the bondage and discipline type for me. Lol!

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 Not if you encountered her Final Fantasy Legend II self LOL. You actually
 had to fight her to gain possession of some of the Magi and she was one
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2010-06-29 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yeah. LOL. Then she erases her...uh...partner from existence. The music when 
you fought her was pretty cool though.

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Hi Bryan,
Ah, so Venus is into the whips and chains thing. Sounds a little too
much of the bondage and discipline type for me. Lol!

On 6/29/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

Not if you encountered her Final Fantasy Legend II self LOL. You actually
had to fight her to gain possession of some of the Magi and she was one
tough customer. Quite apart from some nasty flame spells and a whip that 
did

a lot of damage she also had a nasty Erase spell that would kill you
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-29 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Hahaha. Kind of like a female scorpion.  I'm sure glad I'm not a
scorpion. Scorpion females mate with male scorpions before stinging
them to death and ripping their heads off. How is that as a way to go?
To get killed in the act of getting it on so to speak. Lol!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-29 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
Correction. Etin is not another name for giant. Etins have twoheads,
although I can say that's all I know about them.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Precisely. And while it is true that at least Giants and Trolls are 
definitely part of many cultures' folklore, when young people hear the word 
Giant of course Harry Potter is what they jump to. About the only creature 
he mentioned that didn't come from Harry Potter was the Etin, and if I'm not

mistaken that's just another name for Giant.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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 Because all of the enemies you did mention are straight from that series. 
 When you found out that one of the monsters in MOTA is a 3-headed dog, you

 immediately thought of Fluffy.  Half giant?  Hagrid, giants? Hagrid's half

 brother, and so on.
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 Why when I say an idea, it relates to Harry Potter Hayden? I never said 
 include devils snare, did I?
 My audio games for the blind group.
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 Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


 Hi Muhammed,
 Not at all. There are  no half giants in greek mythology, nor are there
 etins or trolls. And might I remind you that this is  not Harry Potter? 
 No
 devil's snare, please.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


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 On
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 Hmmm, nah.
 Not really.


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 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:13:39 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

 No.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com
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 Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 2:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


  We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits
 which
  have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a rope
 that
  you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for the
 inchanted
  swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. Maybe a half
 giant
  or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the kerberro, I think their
 shall
  be an ettan and a troll guarding the room entirants. Another thing, 
  why
  don't you include clubs in the game? That's what the troll and the
 ettin
  could have. Anyone agree? Also for juels, their shall be dogs or 
  horses
  guarding the juels Also, they could be at the end of a level. Anyone
 like
  this? Also, Traps shall be put in places like that.
  My audio games for the blind group.
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  From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com
  To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
  Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
 
 
  are there more traps to come then other than spikes?
 
  On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
 
  Hi Charles,
  In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
  warning messages people wanted

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-29 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Muhammede,
Um, just curious but why would Sarah need the resurrection stone?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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It's just a snitch.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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 Is that snich the one which has the reserection stone?
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 Hi Phil,
 Just what I need. Lol.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


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 Hi Hayden,
 No, the snitch inside the castle is there to annoy you.
 You can't catch it or nor do any spells affect it.
 But then I'm working on an update to the Sarah game, so I may throw in a
 surprise or two concerning the castle snitch.
 Phil

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 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:42 PM
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 Hi Phil,
 After listening to the audio tutorial (of sorts) you did for Sarah 
 that's
 on
 the draconis site, I recall hearing the snitch inside the castle. Is it
 possible to catch it inside?

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


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 On
 Behalf Of Phil Vlasak
 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:06 AM
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 Hi Hayden,
 Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle.
 Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch.
 Phil

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 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:01 PM
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 Hi,
 I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just
 wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me
 not
 playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


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 On
 Behalf Of Thomas Ward
 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

 Hi Phil,
 Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I
 remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to
 do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around,
 grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of
 course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a
 frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series.
 As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that
 feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file
 that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys
 That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the
 default setup.
 Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to
 manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you.
 For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to
 manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's
 head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway
 and do it for you automatically
 Its  kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange
 finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but
 that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the
 barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a
 little more challenging some how.

 Smile.
 .

 On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Muhammed Deniz

It was just a thought really.
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That happened because Muhamed seemed to feel that the trap warnings should 
be on both Easy and Normal. I made the comment about it being called 
Normal and not Slightly More than Easy simply to point out that Normal or 
whatever you call it was supposed to be harder than Easy, so things like 
trap warnings shouldn't be present. Unfortunately I worded it too vaguely 
I guess and so the thing sort of spyreled out of control and turned into a 
debate about different names for the normal difficulty setting.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


Someone said that they would not bother with normal difficulty from a 
game developer's point of view.  I pointed out that I use that level. 
I'm not sure how the subject got onto what the difficulty levels are 
called, because that doesn't matter.  I would give them names that cannot 
be used on the list if I were the only one playing the game, or for those 
who I know that the names wouldn't bother, just for fun!
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:24 AM
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Hi,
Does somebody want to clue me in as to what you guys are talking
about? What's the difference if a developer calls the difficulty level
normal, intermediate, medium, whatever?

Smile.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Well, at least it was a mistake.
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Hi Bryan,
Ahem...You are quite right. I have egg on my face. I meant to say walk
right not walk left. Sorry, about that. Lol!


On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
I think you meant walk right Thomas. LOL. It's just that you said walk 
left

and then hit the right arrow for the jump.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
Ah--the confusions and complications of 3 dimensional space.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:42 PM
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Hi,
No, x is always horizontal on graph paper. That means running from
left to right. Then y is virtical or up/down in this case. Now, based
on what I just read in the wikipedia article most programmers prefer
to use a right-handed coordinate system with x running east/west, y
north/south, and use z for up/down. If this would make you feel better
I can flip the y and z around to use the right-handed coordinate
system so that z will be your virtical axis when you climb ropes,
staircases, etc but that is a crap load of rewriting I need to do in
order to fix it in the Genesis Engine. gr


On 6/27/10, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I did some reading on this, and I think it just depends how you want it to
 be. You can have a cube in any direction so really z could be north south,
 east west, or up down, or it could be upside down if you wanted, but me I
 think from what I've been reading folks usually like to think z is up
down.
 Only a computer screen's is 2d says y is up down. Me I don't know why x
 isn't instead, but yeah. that's why folks sometimes said z was north south
 or east west. Me I prefer z being up down. Makes more sense to me.. We
know
 x on standard graph paper I think is north south right? And y is west
east?
 So seems to me we simplify things to make z go up down so we can leave x
and
 y alone as they were.

 I found this and it looks like it's sort of backing my claim if I read it
 right. Granted this is Wikipedia, and I try to treat it with a grange of
 salt.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_coordinate_system


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Ah, I can understand now why you said that in Loan Wofl you move along the x
and z axes. Thanks for clearing that up.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi,
That's correct. The way 3d coordinates are handled in computer
programming is different from what you were probibly taught in math
class. Sorry, I didn't point this out from the outset. However, the
way I think of it in terms of programming applies and doesn't apply to
what you have learned. In that sense you and I are both right.

HTH



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 Hi.
 Ok I think everyone is pretty much correct here. What direct x appears to
 have done if I'm figuring things right is took the whole thing and flipped
 it over on it's left side, and then rotated it 90 degrees to the right. It
 still makes sense now, it's just well backwards, but backwards.

 I believe y is for up down in computer world because screens are 2d
 technically if I'm not off my rocker.  That makes x on the screen left to
 right. So they just kept their x y on the screen as is and put z in to go
 front back instead of flipping them around. I'm as much trying to
understand
 this as telling anyone how it is, so I might be wrong Lol

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Dang it, I was going to make a date with Bastet sometime soon! I do like
cats, you know. Grin Looks like I'll have to call in sick.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
Yeah, I guess so.  Although, we will never know how things might have
turned out if Lower Egypt had defeated Upper Egypt and made Set the
national deity instead of Horris.
Now, where did Isis go to. She told me we had a date tonight, but she
has disappeared on me. Be ware of goddesses baring kisses. Lol!

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 Hi Thomas,
 Ah, the lord of the sky has to be the hero, doesn't it?

 Best Regards,
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Which translation is more direct from Egyptian? Another excellent example is
Re and Ra.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi,
That's correct. The names Set and Seth refer to the same Egyptian god.
It all depends on which translation you happen to be reading from.
Some translations are translated from Greek to  English and some are
translations from Egyptian to English. That's why you might discover
different names for the same god or goddess.
As far as Set and the Tomb Raider games that would be Tomb Raider The
:Last Revelation.  In that game Lara Croft finds Set's underground
tomb in Egypt and removes the amulet of Horris thinking to take it
home with her only to discover she released Set's spirit from the
tomb, and now he has returned to take over the world. She then is
tasked with figuring out a way to put him back in his tomb or
imprisoning him so he can't carry out his evil plans. As you said you
can't kill Set, it is an impossible battle, but there is a way to
defeat him by destroying the temple of Horris and burying him inside
the temple. Thus entombing him forever.

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 Isn't he called Set in some translations? Or is that another deity
entirely?
 If so, didn't you mention once that he's featured as a boss, albeit an
 unbeatable one, in one of the Tomb Raider games?
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Muhammed,
Where, exactly, is this ball coming from?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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So, correct me on this, but is she going to make a magicle ball which could 
dodge attacks and you have to tri to take the ball down with each weapon 
like I mean for 5 minutes or what?
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


 Hi muhammed,
 Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
 wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
 battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
 you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
 adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
 Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
 who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
 not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
 uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

 HTH


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 How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
 wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
 before you could reach her?

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
Then There's what Set did to Osiris when he was mortal.
Another...interesting ordeal, shall we say?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:37 AM
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And poor old  promethius was punished by having an eagle eat his liver every

day then having it grow back at night,  easily one of the most fun 
punishments ever!

Though when you considder what was actually done to some other gods it's 
fairly mild,  for instance, the actual egyptian punishment of set 
was,  , interesting! to say the least.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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 She was actually sent to his brother Epimetheus, but Prometheus tried to 
 warn him. Pandora's Box came from the fact that she came with the box 
 containing the Miseries as they were called. Epimetheus was supposed to 
 open the box after they were married, although another version of the 
 story says that Zeus actualy warned her not to open the box knowing full 
 well that she would ultimately become too curious to resist. Zeus was 
 actually looking for an excuse to punish Prometheus of course and he used 
 his attempt to warn Epimetheus off of Pandora as that excuse.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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 Hi Brian,
 Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
 into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
 where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned 
 Arachne
 into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth 
 that
 says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. 
 Only
 question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


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 Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
 tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
 case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
 her.

 I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
 the
 weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
 as
 weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL.

 I
 suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
 opportunity to prove herself.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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 Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:15 AM
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 Hi muhammed,
 Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
 wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
 battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
 you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
 adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
 Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
 who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
 not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
 uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

 HTH


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
To tell you the truth, that's a game I haven't cared aterrible lotabout
playing, so I can't say.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
What about Monkey Business? That's a game i find using coordinates in
quite useful at times. Although the game seams to have the axis
reversed as 0 is at the top of the grid instead of the bottom lefthand
corner as it should be.



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 Hi,
 I've found coordinates moderately useful in certain FPS titles, though not
 really all of them. Really, the only two I have use of them for or Tank
 Commander and Loan Wolf. In Shades of doom, they really do have no use for
 me.

 Best Regards,
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread shaun everiss

well I wouldn't want all that that unless we have xp levels like gtc and sod.
Ofcause in gtc you can hit a tank from 1000 metres out if you know 
where it is and can destroy or seriously dammage it before it gets close.
it has a chance to do that to you and sometimes I am traiding shots 
from long range.

Then its more fun with more than one.
Then I try to intercept as fast as I can and when I am in range I let 
em have it.

ofcause if they get me I have to madly search for the target.
 At 07:39 a.m. 25/06/2010, you wrote:
So in short something like a combination of Shades of Doom and Tank 
Commander? I know Tank Commander did require you to raise or lower 
your gun in order to achieve the proper firing range for the target.

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Hi Dark,
Oh, its going to essentially be the same game. It will have the same
story, same enemies, traps, puzzles, whatever. I could even make the
3d levels similar to there 2d counterparts simply by taking the same
levels and  simply redrawing each room as a true 3d object complete
with four walls, a floor, and a celing. Instead of a 2d room that is
say 20 by 8 I could just redraw that room to be 20 by 20 by 8 making
it 3d.  In other words instead of just length and height each room
will have a length, width, and height attribute.
The essential difference between the two versions is going to be 3d
specific features that you couldn't get in a 2d only game. For
example, obviously since the fps version is in 3d that offers you a
lot more freedom of movement. Instead of just being able to walk left
and right as well as climb up and down on ropes and things the fps
version will allow you to move foward, backward, left, right as well
as climb up and down on ropes, ladders, staircases, whatever.  As I
said far more freedom of movement.
Targeting will also be a bit different than you are use too. Since we
are talking about a truely 3d environment that means aiming your
weapons will be a bit trickier since the game will have to calculate a
true 3d vector from the player character to the target. For that
reason you may have to use the page up key to raise your weapon to
target a flying harpy, or use the page down key to lower your weapon
in order to target an enemy monster lower to the ground. This is a
feature of several mainstream games, and will be quite new to many
accessible gamers I think, but it is more realistic and shouldn't be
too hard to get use to.
As far as any other differences such as weather or not I'll keep the
random monsters and items I haven't decided. As I said a couple of
days ago there are pros and cons with both. If I keep it the games
will definitely be different from game to game which is good. If I get
rid of it then I have to figure out where to put everything and
rebalance the game which could be time consuming. So I'll cross that
bridge when I come to it.
In regards to more Tomb Hunter games I definitely plan on it. However,
the 3d fps game isn't going to be based on any of the stories I am
creating for Tomb Hunter II and so forth. For one thing I haven't
purchased all the sounds I need for Tomb Hunter II, and nor would I
create two different games seeing as the fps version is merely going
to be Mysteries of the Ancients done my way and the side-scroller is
the 2d version many people wanted to replace Montezuma's Revenge.


Cheers!

On 6/24/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

As a fan of both styles of game this deffinately pleases me, however I do
have one question.

Will the 3D version feature the same enemies, traps and obstacles as the
side scroller version?  will we stil have harpies, centaurs etc? and
will we stil be in griece?

I was just wondering, sinse I know you've often spoken about carrying on the
tombhunter series into further 3D adventures, whether this will be a
different setting,  for instance an egyptian or Aztec toomb.

Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread shaun everiss

aah probably would go.
However if you could have it so when you get your reg code for one it 
will run the other to then that would rock.

I really like both.
fps is my main thing but I have been liking the scroler more and more.
I will probably buy the game but I'd like to have both versions 
rather than having to choose what I want to really play.



Hi Shaun,
I've thought of that, but I think it should be separate installers.
For one thing the menu system is going to be slightly different
between the two versions which means multiple speech directories and
sound directories anyway. Plus if you have saved games, settings, etc
those would have to be in separate directories so as not to screw up
the other version of the game. So it would be less trouble to install
them into two different places like
USA Games\Tomb Hunter I (FPS)
and then
USA Games\Tomb Hunter I (Side-Scroller)
for the side-scroller version.

HTH


On 6/24/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
 just thought of something.
 you could have both games in one installer.
 then as a side program have a selecter or have this in the menus or
 something play 3d mode play side scroler mode maybe side scroler mode
 could be arcade and the other could be standard or something.
 I'd buy a game that had 2 versions you could play.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Well, some do, but it isn't a bad idea, isn't it?
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Most developers don't even bother with normal. Nor would I.
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My stratjey would be on the esey and normal levels warnings, then for the 
others, no warning.

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That would have been my strategy as well. As long as you're playing on 
the easiest setting the warnings would be there, not so on the higher 
settings.

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Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


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It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
Smoke!

It might get befuddling!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Ok, later.
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Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. I 
think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

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No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits which 
have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a rope 
that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for the 
inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. Maybe a 
half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the kerberro, I think 
their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the room entirants. Another 
thing, why don't you include clubs in the game? That's what the troll 
and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? Also for juels, their shall be 
dogs or horses guarding the juels Also, they could be at the end of a 
level. Anyone like this? Also, Traps shall be put in places like that.

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are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
I'm not suggesting anything about Harry Potter! Here is my point. In tarzan 
junior, you don't dash around to get the gun of power, do you? You have 
obsticles in your way. For an example, the guards. Then its the chest. Also, 
one obsticle is the bomb. Get my point?

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Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry Potter 
stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he will! 
not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
consistently followed.
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Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. I 
think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the room 
entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the game? 
That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? Also for 
juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels Also, they 
could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, Traps shall be 
put in places like that.

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are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


On 6/26/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
Smoke!

It might get befuddling!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Aha. The way to pass that is a compleat hidden path. Here it works. When 
your in the room with the casum that you can't jump, you have to keep on 
pressing enter to press the hidden presher swich while your walking in that 
room. Then, a bridge will come out of no ware and you could cross the 
bridge.

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Hello.  This is Ron.  On Mota, what do the cordinates mean?  for example 
it says the casm is below and to the right, how do I get to the point 
where the casm is 0 meters?


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I couldn't agree more. When I get into developing more complex games with 
BGT I may use a few end user suggestions, but only those I feel would 
enhance the theme I want for a given game.

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Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry 
Potter stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he 
will! not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
consistently followed.
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Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. 
I think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the 
room entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the 
game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? 
Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels 
Also, they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, 
Traps shall be put in places like that.

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are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


On 6/26/10, Charles Rivard woofer

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina 
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff 
before you could reach her?

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Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry Potter 
stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he will! 
not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
consistently followed.
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. I 
think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the room 
entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the game? 
That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? Also for 
juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels Also, they 
could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, Traps shall be 
put in places like that.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


On 6/26/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
Smoke!

It might get befuddling!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi William,
Oh, definitely. Mysteries of the Ancients has several different types
of traps. However, they don't all appear on the same level, and
obviously are slowly introduced into the game. To give you an idea of
what is coming here is a basic list of traps you will find in the
game.

bronze spikes
small chasms
large chasms
fire pits
lava pits
poison darts
spinning blades
trap doors


That's just the basic traps. Depending on how much time I have I may
include some boulder traps or come up with something even worse than
anything already listed above.

Smile.

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 are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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 How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
 wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Muhammed,
Ah, have you ever tried the obvious thing, light a torch, and view the
wall? Angela can see it as long as a torch is burning and she is near
enough to it to see the hidden switch?


Smile.

On 6/27/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Aha. The way to pass that is a compleat hidden path. Here it works. When
 your in the room with the casum that you can't jump, you have to keep on
 pressing enter to press the hidden presher swich while your walking in that
 room. Then, a bridge will come out of no ware and you could cross the
 bridge.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,
Sorry, but I have decided to license the games separately. For one
thing that gives me two products to sell helping me raise capital for
more games I want to create. Plus the majority of those on preorder
status wanted a side-scroller so that is what they will get. The fps
version is something I chose to do on my own afterwards and since it
takes some extra work to convert the game over to an fps format. I
only feel it is right that I get some financial compensation for the
work involved in converting things over to a new format. Personally, I
don't think what I am doing is really out of line.
For example, mainstream game companies do this sort of thing all the
time. You can go to the store and find three different versions of
Tomb Raider Underworld available. One for Play Station 3, one for the
XBox 360, and your standard PC version. All of those are technically
the same game, but three different products in the eyes of the company
who produced them and the store who sells the games. You can tell them
to give you a copy of all three for one price, but I sincerely doubt
they will do it. They'll tell you you want all three versions you have
to buy all three versions. In this case I have to think of what is
good business rather than giving away extra work and a potential new
product for free.

HTH

On 6/27/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
 aah probably would go.
 However if you could have it so when you get your reg code for one it
 will run the other to then that would rock.
 I really like both.
 fps is my main thing but I have been liking the scroler more and more.
 I will probably buy the game but I'd like to have both versions
 rather than having to choose what I want to really play.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ron,
Well, it depends on the type of chasm.  Keep in mind the measurements
check the distance from the center of a fire, chasm, lava pit,
whatever so it is all relative to how big the trap is.
In this case there are two kinds of chasms small chasms and large
chasms. I need to know which chasm it is to help you. If it is a
standard small chasm like those on level 1 then when you are on a
ledge there is about a half a meter between you and the center of the
chasm so it can easily be jumped across and thus is 0 meters to the
center. If it is a large chasm like the one on level 2 then there is
no way you can jump across it. You have to locate a hidden pressure
switch which lowers a drawbridge to get over it.

HTH



On 6/27/10, RONALD HOPKINS rrhopki...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hello.  This is Ron.  On Mota, what do the cordinates mean?  for example it
 says the casm is below and to the right, how do I get to the point where the
 casm is 0 meters?


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Muhammed and all,
I appreciate your opinion and suggestions but what you are suggesting
does not in anyway enhance the theme or story for this particular
game. Understand this game takes place in an ancient Greek tomb
therefore the enemies you encounter have to have some relationship to
greek mythology. Something like trolls, which have nothing to do with
Greek mythology, would be totally out of place.I can't and won't do
that to my game simply because I am trying to stick to a particular
theme/storyline.
As for giants and alike I don't have giants, per say, in the game.
However, I do have a couple of cyclops in the game. Those happen to be
one-eyed giants of a sort, and are already in the design docs. They
just haven't appeared in the game yet. At least not in recent versions
of the game anyway. Although, they are there.

HTH



On 6/26/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote:
 We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits which
 have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a rope that
 you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for the inchanted
 swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. Maybe a half giant or
 a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the kerberro, I think their shall be an
 ettan and a troll guarding the room entirants. Another thing, why don't you
 include clubs in the game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have.
 Anyone agree? Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the
 juels Also, they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also,
 Traps shall be put in places like that.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles,
Basicly, that is the idea. Easy is sort of a training level where you
will get the handy little hints to jump over a fire, spikes, whatever
and if you beat the game at that level and move on to a higher
difficulty level well the warnings etc go away. You are on your own
from that point and better have an idea how to jump the traps without
hints. Grin.


On 6/26/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Great idea.  Thanks in advance for incorporating it.  It makes to have the
 warnings there while learning the game, which is what I figure the easy
 difficulty is for, and then, seeing as you are now experienced enough, as
 indicated by your choice of a skill level, you no longer need them.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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Well, some do, but it isn't a bad idea, isn't it?
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Most developers don't even bother with normal. Nor would I.
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My stratjey would be on the esey and normal levels warnings, then for 
the others, no warning.

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That would have been my strategy as well. As long as you're playing on 
the easiest setting the warnings would be there, not so on the higher 
settings.

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Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


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It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
Smoke!

It might get befuddling!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
You don't dash around in MOTA either. Enemies, cliffs, spikes, firepits, 
things like that.

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I'm not suggesting anything about Harry Potter! Here is my point. In 
tarzan junior, you don't dash around to get the gun of power, do you? You 
have obsticles in your way. For an example, the guards. Then its the 
chest. Also, one obsticle is the bomb. Get my point?

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Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry Potter 
stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he will! 
not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
consistently followed.
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Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. I 
think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

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No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the 
room entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the 
game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? 
Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels Also, 
they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, Traps 
shall be put in places like that.

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are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


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It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

Hmmm, sword fighting. That's a battle.
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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina 
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff 
before you could reach her?

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Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry Potter 
stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he will! 
not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
consistently followed.
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Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. I 
think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

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No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the 
room entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the 
game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? 
Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels Also, 
they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, Traps 
shall be put in places like that.

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are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


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It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
Smoke!

It might get befuddling!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a 
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a 
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill her. 
I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won the 
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds as 
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. I 
suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the 
opportunity to prove herself.

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Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
before you could reach her?


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

I find the idea extremely intriguing.
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Hi Shaun,
Sorry, but I have decided to license the games separately. For one
thing that gives me two products to sell helping me raise capital for
more games I want to create. Plus the majority of those on preorder
status wanted a side-scroller so that is what they will get. The fps
version is something I chose to do on my own afterwards and since it
takes some extra work to convert the game over to an fps format. I
only feel it is right that I get some financial compensation for the
work involved in converting things over to a new format. Personally, I
don't think what I am doing is really out of line.
For example, mainstream game companies do this sort of thing all the
time. You can go to the store and find three different versions of
Tomb Raider Underworld available. One for Play Station 3, one for the
XBox 360, and your standard PC version. All of those are technically
the same game, but three different products in the eyes of the company
who produced them and the store who sells the games. You can tell them
to give you a copy of all three for one price, but I sincerely doubt
they will do it. They'll tell you you want all three versions you have
to buy all three versions. In this case I have to think of what is
good business rather than giving away extra work and a potential new
product for free.

HTH

On 6/27/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

aah probably would go.
However if you could have it so when you get your reg code for one it
will run the other to then that would rock.
I really like both.
fps is my main thing but I have been liking the scroler more and more.
I will probably buy the game but I'd like to have both versions
rather than having to choose what I want to really play.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
I do seem to remember a couple of twin giants in certain myths. I believe 
they were called the Aloids or something. I seem to remember they grew a few 
feet taller and broader each year they remained alive. THere was a prophecy 
that stated that no mortals and no gods could kill them. They ultimately 
ended up dying by each other's hands when Artemis tricked them. She promised 
to marry one of them, then later appeared to them as a deer and ran past 
them. When they tried to shoot her, not knowing who she was, she ran past 
them so fast that their arrows ended up hitting each other.

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Hi Muhammed and all,
I appreciate your opinion and suggestions but what you are suggesting
does not in anyway enhance the theme or story for this particular
game. Understand this game takes place in an ancient Greek tomb
therefore the enemies you encounter have to have some relationship to
greek mythology. Something like trolls, which have nothing to do with
Greek mythology, would be totally out of place.I can't and won't do
that to my game simply because I am trying to stick to a particular
theme/storyline.
As for giants and alike I don't have giants, per say, in the game.
However, I do have a couple of cyclops in the game. Those happen to be
one-eyed giants of a sort, and are already in the design docs. They
just haven't appeared in the game yet. At least not in recent versions
of the game anyway. Although, they are there.

HTH



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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits which
have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a rope that
you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for the inchanted
swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. Maybe a half giant 
or
a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the kerberro, I think their shall be 
an
ettan and a troll guarding the room entirants. Another thing, why don't 
you
include clubs in the game? That's what the troll and the ettin could 
have.

Anyone agree? Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the
juels Also, they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also,
Traps shall be put in places like that.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

And if you need it there's still the View command if you need confirmation.
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Hi Charles,
Basicly, that is the idea. Easy is sort of a training level where you
will get the handy little hints to jump over a fire, spikes, whatever
and if you beat the game at that level and move on to a higher
difficulty level well the warnings etc go away. You are on your own
from that point and better have an idea how to jump the traps without
hints. Grin.


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Great idea.  Thanks in advance for incorporating it.  It makes to have 
the

warnings there while learning the game, which is what I figure the easy
difficulty is for, and then, seeing as you are now experienced enough, as
indicated by your choice of a skill level, you no longer need them.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread dark
Well the greek gods were never known for fairness really,  I know that 
certainly after meeting a fair few of them in our mutants and masterminds 
tabletop rp games,  though rockit powered drop kicking Hades in the head 
after he'd basically knicked the soul of one of our characters and was 
invading the city with a hoard of undead was rather fun! ;D.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a 
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a 
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
her. I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually 
won the weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the 
clouds as weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a 
spider. LOL. I suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even 
giving her the opportunity to prove herself.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread dark
The titans as I recall are often portrayed as Giants, hence requiring 
someone like Hercules to give them a good kicking,  but it'd make litle 
sense for Athena to have one of the enemies of the Gods in her temple.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Does somebody want to clue me in as to what you guys are talking
about? What's the difference if a developer calls the difficulty level
normal, intermediate, medium, whatever?

Smile.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,
Yes, in  deed. The Titans usually show up as giants in most books,
movies, and cartoons, but Athena would never use one of them as a
guardian for a temple. They are the enemies of the Olympian gods. They
are far more than a regular human could handle in any case. Unless, of
course,  you are Xena Warrior Princess who gave them a good butt
kicking on the television series. Then, again, the show hinted Xena
was more than mortal, but never came out and said she was a daughter
of one of the gods or goddesses. Since Angela Carter is in deed human
a titan would be far more than she could handle.

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 The titans as I recall are often portrayed as Giants, hence requiring
 someone like Hercules to give them a good kicking,  but it'd make litle
 sense for Athena to have one of the enemies of the Gods in her temple.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Now, that you mention it I do vaguely remember that myth. Of course
that would all depend on if we want to include immortal creatures in
the game. You couldn't kill them and could only stay alive by evading
them or out smarting them.

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 I do seem to remember a couple of twin giants in certain myths. I believe
 they were called the Aloids or something. I seem to remember they grew a few
 feet taller and broader each year they remained alive. THere was a prophecy
 that stated that no mortals and no gods could kill them. They ultimately
 ended up dying by each other's hands when Artemis tricked them. She promised
 to marry one of them, then later appeared to them as a deer and ran past
 them. When they tried to shoot her, not knowing who she was, she ran past
 them so fast that their arrows ended up hitting each other.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
For the ultimate  unwinnable situation, how about Typhon? No, don't add him!

Best Regards,
Hayden

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Hi Dark,
Yes, in  deed. The Titans usually show up as giants in most books,
movies, and cartoons, but Athena would never use one of them as a
guardian for a temple. They are the enemies of the Olympian gods. They
are far more than a regular human could handle in any case. Unless, of
course,  you are Xena Warrior Princess who gave them a good butt
kicking on the television series. Then, again, the show hinted Xena
was more than mortal, but never came out and said she was a daughter
of one of the gods or goddesses. Since Angela Carter is in deed human
a titan would be far more than she could handle.

On 6/27/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 The titans as I recall are often portrayed as Giants, hence requiring
 someone like Hercules to give them a good kicking,  but it'd make
litle
 sense for Athena to have one of the enemies of the Gods in her temple.

 Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned Arachne
into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth that
says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. Only
question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a 
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a 
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill her.

I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won the 
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds as 
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. I 
suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the 
opportunity to prove herself.
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 Hi muhammed,
 Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
 wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
 battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
 you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
 adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
 Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
 who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
 not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
 uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

 HTH


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
What do you mean, exactly? I've seen quite a few games with either a medium,
intermediate, normal, or, in the GMA Games case, Bring them on.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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 Well, some do, but it isn't a bad idea, isn't it?
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 Most developers don't even bother with normal. Nor would I.
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 My stratjey would be on the esey and normal levels warnings, then for 
 the others, no warning.
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 That would have been my strategy as well. As long as you're playing on 
 the easiest setting the warnings would be there, not so on the higher 
 settings.
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 Hi Charles,
 In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
 warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
 playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
 higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
 expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
 men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


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 It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy 
 Smoke!
 It might get befuddling!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Muhammed,
What are you talking about?  The bomb, if youwant to call the mountain
falling arounddyou a bomb, isn't that kind of obstacle. It doesn't actually
stop you from dashing around per say.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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You don't dash around in MOTA either. Enemies, cliffs, spikes, firepits, 
things like that.
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 I'm not suggesting anything about Harry Potter! Here is my point. In 
 tarzan junior, you don't dash around to get the gun of power, do you? You 
 have obsticles in your way. For an example, the guards. Then its the 
 chest. Also, one obsticle is the bomb. Get my point?
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 Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry Potter

 stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he will! 
 not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
 consistently followed.
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 Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
 months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. I

 think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.
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 No on all counts.
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 We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
 which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
 rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
 the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
 Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
 kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the 
 room entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the 
 game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? 
 Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels Also,

 they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, Traps 
 shall be put in places like that.
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 are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

 On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:

 Hi Charles,
 In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
 warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
 playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
 higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
 expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
 men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


 On 6/26/10, Charles Rivard woofer

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
 tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
 case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill her.
 I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won the
 weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds as
 weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. I
 suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
 opportunity to prove herself.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Hmmm...I've never heard that version of the myth before. The one I've heard
went something like Athena saw Arachne's portrail of the gods, and turned
her into a spider  for that.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
 tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
 case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill
her.
 I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won the
 weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds as
 weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL.
I
 suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
 opportunity to prove herself.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Hayden,
Lol! That would definitely be pretty unwinable. Hopeless in fact.
Imagine several gamers trying that boss battle not realising it is a
lose, lose, lose situation. 'grin.


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 Hi Thomas,
 For the ultimate  unwinnable situation, how about Typhon? No, don't add him!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Definitely. I don't think the entire blind community could even nick the
thing. We'dneed mount Olympus and about twelve Olympians...

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
Lol! That would definitely be pretty unwinable. Hopeless in fact.
Imagine several gamers trying that boss battle not realising it is a
lose, lose, lose situation. 'grin.


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 Hi Thomas,
 For the ultimate  unwinnable situation, how about Typhon? No, don't add
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Well since Muhamed seems so bent on having the warnings on Normal as well as 
Easy I had to point out that Normal difficulty, regardless of what you 
actually call it, is supposed to be more challenging than Easy. Logic would 
seem to indicate that you wouldn't have the trap warnings on that particular 
difficulty level. Sort of like always having training wheels on a bicycle or 
always going sighted guide with someone.

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Hi,
Does somebody want to clue me in as to what you guys are talking
about? What's the difference if a developer calls the difficulty level
normal, intermediate, medium, whatever?

Smile.

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It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Actually, if you read the original stories about Pandora it is
actually a clay jar she opens that lets all the evils out into the
world. From some historical things I've read on that particular myth
ancient Greeks would have thought of this as the type of large clay
burial jars they use to keep all of the stuff in the used for
preparing someone for burial. However, somewhere over the centuries
the myth was changed from a clay jar to a wooden box which is the
version most of us know now.


On 6/27/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Brian,
 Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
 into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
 where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned Arachne
 into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth that
 says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. Only
 question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

 Best Regards,
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Well from what I recall these two weren't actually immortal. They were 
mortal from what I recall, but they were extremely powerful for all that.

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Hi Bryan,
Now, that you mention it I do vaguely remember that myth. Of course
that would all depend on if we want to include immortal creatures in
the game. You couldn't kill them and could only stay alive by evading
them or out smarting them.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

I do seem to remember a couple of twin giants in certain myths. I believe
they were called the Aloids or something. I seem to remember they grew a 
few
feet taller and broader each year they remained alive. THere was a 
prophecy

that stated that no mortals and no gods could kill them. They ultimately
ended up dying by each other's hands when Artemis tricked them. She 
promised

to marry one of them, then later appeared to them as a deer and ran past
them. When they tried to shoot her, not knowing who she was, she ran past
them so fast that their arrows ended up hitting each other.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Right, that's what I was wondering. I haven't figured out how the jar became
a box.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi,
Actually, if you read the original stories about Pandora it is
actually a clay jar she opens that lets all the evils out into the
world. From some historical things I've read on that particular myth
ancient Greeks would have thought of this as the type of large clay
burial jars they use to keep all of the stuff in the used for
preparing someone for burial. However, somewhere over the centuries
the myth was changed from a clay jar to a wooden box which is the
version most of us know now.


On 6/27/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Brian,
 Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
 into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
 where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned Arachne
 into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth
that
 says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire.
Only
 question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Ah yes, I seem to recall they had to bury him under a mountain and even that 
didn't entirely contain him.

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Hi Thomas,
For the ultimate  unwinnable situation, how about Typhon? No, don't add 
him!


Best Regards,
Hayden

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Hi Dark,
Yes, in  deed. The Titans usually show up as giants in most books,
movies, and cartoons, but Athena would never use one of them as a
guardian for a temple. They are the enemies of the Olympian gods. They
are far more than a regular human could handle in any case. Unless, of
course,  you are Xena Warrior Princess who gave them a good butt
kicking on the television series. Then, again, the show hinted Xena
was more than mortal, but never came out and said she was a daughter
of one of the gods or goddesses. Since Angela Carter is in deed human
a titan would be far more than she could handle.

On 6/27/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

The titans as I recall are often portrayed as Giants, hence requiring
someone like Hercules to give them a good kicking,  but it'd make

litle

sense for Athena to have one of the enemies of the Gods in her temple.

Beware the grue!

dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
She was actually sent to his brother Epimetheus, but Prometheus tried to 
warn him. Pandora's Box came from the fact that she came with the box 
containing the Miseries as they were called. Epimetheus was supposed to open 
the box after they were married, although another version of the story says 
that Zeus actualy warned her not to open the box knowing full well that she 
would ultimately become too curious to resist. Zeus was actually looking for 
an excuse to punish Prometheus of course and he used his attempt to warn 
Epimetheus off of Pandora as that excuse.

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Hi Brian,
Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned Arachne
into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth 
that
says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. 
Only

question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
her.


I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. 
I

suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
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Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
before you could reach her?


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Oh, okay. I see what you mean. Yes, I agree. In fact, it might helpt
to explain what I've done.
Basically, I have adopted GMA's design with having a training mode.
When you press enter on easy it will ask you if you want training
mode. If you say yes Angela will tell you the room is dark, warn you
if a trap is near,  and other messages that might be helpful for a
newby. However, as said earlier the option for training mode is only
available if you are playing on easy. If you select a  higher
difficulty level the game will assume you no longer need training mode
and will play normally as designed. Angela won't give you any warnings
etc.

Cheers!


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 Well since Muhamed seems so bent on having the warnings on Normal as well as
 Easy I had to point out that Normal difficulty, regardless of what you
 actually call it, is supposed to be more challenging than Easy. Logic would
 seem to indicate that you wouldn't have the trap warnings on that particular
 difficulty level. Sort of like always having training wheels on a bicycle or
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
The point I was trying to make with that statement was that it's supposed to 
be more challenging than the Easy setting, so the trap warnings shouldn't 
necessarily be present. If they were to be present on Easy and Normal or 
whatever you were to call it, they might as well be called Easy and Slightly 
more than Easy.

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Hi Brian,
What do you mean, exactly? I've seen quite a few games with either a 
medium,

intermediate, normal, or, in the GMA Games case, Bring them on.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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Most developers don't even bother with normal. Nor would I.
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My stratjey would be on the esey and normal levels warnings, then for
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That would have been my strategy as well. As long as you're playing on
the easiest setting the warnings would be there, not so on the higher
settings.
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Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all if you are an advanced or
expert player you certainly don't need them. That will separate the
men from the boys and the women from the girls. Lol!


On 6/26/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

It's good to know that such cues will be included.  Otherwise, Holy
Smoke!
It might get befuddling!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem to 
remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus flute. 
When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that 
they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at the 
same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't 
really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly predictable. 
And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been partly 
why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite RPG's, 
Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite tricky 
to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He 
actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:02 AM
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Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
her.
I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. 
I

suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
I don't know what version you heard then. The way it actually went was that 
Arachne made the mistake of boasting that she could weave better than Athena 
herself. Naturally Athena was furious when she found out about that. I seem 
to recall she was in fact going to kill her, but she decided to give Arachne 
one chance to prove herself after she liked a cloak that Arachne gave her by 
way of apology. After the contest when Arachne lost, she tried to commit 
suicide by hanging herself and Athena, either by way of apology or even in 
deference to her skill as a weaver, turned her into a spider.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Hi Thomas,
Hmmm...I've never heard that version of the myth before. The one I've 
heard

went something like Athena saw Arachne's portrail of the gods, and turned
her into a spider  for that.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:02 AM
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Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill

her.
I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
as

weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL.

I

suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
I know all that. Just the last part was contrary to the one I heard.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:28 AM
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I don't know what version you heard then. The way it actually went was that 
Arachne made the mistake of boasting that she could weave better than Athena

herself. Naturally Athena was furious when she found out about that. I seem 
to recall she was in fact going to kill her, but she decided to give Arachne

one chance to prove herself after she liked a cloak that Arachne gave her by

way of apology. After the contest when Arachne lost, she tried to commit 
suicide by hanging herself and Athena, either by way of apology or even in 
deference to her skill as a weaver, turned her into a spider.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:04 AM
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 Hi Thomas,
 Hmmm...I've never heard that version of the myth before. The one I've 
 heard
 went something like Athena saw Arachne's portrail of the gods, and turned
 her into a spider  for that.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


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 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Thomas Ward
 Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:02 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

 Hi Bryan,
 Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
 see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
 her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
 War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
 armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
 just being sneeky?
 As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
 to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
 However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
 Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
 contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
 could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
 of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
 weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
 the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
 that using the clouds was prohibited.
 However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
 compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
 to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
 spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
 that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

 On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
 tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
 case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill
 her.
 I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
 the
 weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
 as
 weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL.
 I
 suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
 opportunity to prove herself.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Haden,
I don't really know either. I suppose it is like a lot of other myths
from ancient times the stories got changed as the centuries passed by,
and someone somewhere decided to change the story for some reason.
This is by no means the first myth to suffer alteration after having
been passed down through writing or word of mouth through the
centuries.
Take the Egyptian god Seth for example. In the Old Kingdom he was seen
as a good and honorable god garding Ra's Boat of a Million years from
the evil god, Apep, the evil snake god of the underworld, from danger.
 However, as the centuries passed Seth took on a less heroic character
in Egyptian mythology and by the New Kingdom is as evil as Apep
himself. They saw Horris as the hero, champion of the people,  and
Seth as a villain.

On 6/27/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 Right, that's what I was wondering. I haven't figured out how the jar became
 a box.

 Best Regards,
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
One game I hate is God of War. It wouldn't be nearly so bad if you couldn't
kill the gods.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:25 AM
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True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem to 
remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus flute. 
When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that 
they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at the 
same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't 
really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly predictable. 
And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been partly 
why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite RPG's, 
Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite tricky 
to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He 
actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


 Hi Bryan,
 Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
 see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
 her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
 War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
 armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
 just being sneeky?
 As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
 to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
 However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
 Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
 contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
 could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
 of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
 weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
 the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
 that using the clouds was prohibited.
 However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
 compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
 to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
 spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
 that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

 On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
 tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
 case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
 her.
 I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
 the
 weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
 as
 weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL.

 I
 suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
 opportunity to prove herself.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yeah. Trying to visit them without an invitation is risky enough, much less 
trying to storm it. I remember the story of Beleriphon (although I don't 
know for the life of me if I got the spelling right), who after using the 
winged horse Pegasus in a quest to kill a Chimera, held onto the horse and 
made the mistake of trying to visit the gods. Zeus had Hera send a gadfly to 
sting Pegasus, who threw Beleriphon off. I seem to recall that Beleriphon 
died from the fall, and even if he didn't I imagine the Olympians gave him a 
punishment that would certainly have made him wish he had.

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Hi Thomas,
Definitely. I don't think the entire blind community could even nick the
thing. We'dneed mount Olympus and about twelve Olympians...

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Hi Hayden,
Lol! That would definitely be pretty unwinable. Hopeless in fact.
Imagine several gamers trying that boss battle not realising it is a
lose, lose, lose situation. 'grin.


On 6/27/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi Thomas,
For the ultimate  unwinnable situation, how about Typhon? No, don't add

him!


Best Regards,
Hayden


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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
Yep, I've heard of him serving Ra in Egyption mythology as well. I was
actually trying to jugle the idea that he was that and the God of Chaos,
Destruction, and Disorder at once. Now you say that he was portrayed
different in the New Kingdom, that makes more since.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:32 AM
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Hi Haden,
I don't really know either. I suppose it is like a lot of other myths
from ancient times the stories got changed as the centuries passed by,
and someone somewhere decided to change the story for some reason.
This is by no means the first myth to suffer alteration after having
been passed down through writing or word of mouth through the
centuries.
Take the Egyptian god Seth for example. In the Old Kingdom he was seen
as a good and honorable god garding Ra's Boat of a Million years from
the evil god, Apep, the evil snake god of the underworld, from danger.
 However, as the centuries passed Seth took on a less heroic character
in Egyptian mythology and by the New Kingdom is as evil as Apep
himself. They saw Horris as the hero, champion of the people,  and
Seth as a villain.

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 Hi Thomas,
 Right, that's what I was wondering. I haven't figured out how the jar
became
 a box.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread dark
And poor old  promethius was punished by having an eagle eat his liver every 
day then having it grow back at night,  easily one of the most fun 
punishments ever!


Though when you considder what was actually done to some other gods it's 
fairly mild,  for instance, the actual egyptian punishment of set 
was,  , interesting! to say the least.


Beware the grue!

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She was actually sent to his brother Epimetheus, but Prometheus tried to 
warn him. Pandora's Box came from the fact that she came with the box 
containing the Miseries as they were called. Epimetheus was supposed to 
open the box after they were married, although another version of the 
story says that Zeus actualy warned her not to open the box knowing full 
well that she would ultimately become too curious to resist. Zeus was 
actually looking for an excuse to punish Prometheus of course and he used 
his attempt to warn Epimetheus off of Pandora as that excuse.

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Hi Brian,
Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned 
Arachne
into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth 
that
says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. 
Only

question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
her.


I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. 
I

suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
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Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
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2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
I've heard tat one as well. Then there were were versions that stated that 
one evil was actually still trapped in the jar when the lid was closed 
again, and that this one was the worst of all. Then of course there was the 
other version that tells of how hope was the last to emerge, which kept 
mortals from killing themselves in utter despair.

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Hi,
Actually, if you read the original stories about Pandora it is
actually a clay jar she opens that lets all the evils out into the
world. From some historical things I've read on that particular myth
ancient Greeks would have thought of this as the type of large clay
burial jars they use to keep all of the stuff in the used for
preparing someone for burial. However, somewhere over the centuries
the myth was changed from a clay jar to a wooden box which is the
version most of us know now.


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Hi Brian,
Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned 
Arachne
into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth 
that
says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. 
Only

question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

Best Regards,
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
So, correct me on this, but is she going to make a magicle ball which could 
dodge attacks and you have to tri to take the ball down with each weapon 
like I mean for 5 minutes or what?

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Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Ah I see. That does make sense. That way even on Easy you have the option to 
use training mode or not.

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Hi Bryan,
Oh, okay. I see what you mean. Yes, I agree. In fact, it might helpt
to explain what I've done.
Basically, I have adopted GMA's design with having a training mode.
When you press enter on easy it will ask you if you want training
mode. If you say yes Angela will tell you the room is dark, warn you
if a trap is near,  and other messages that might be helpful for a
newby. However, as said earlier the option for training mode is only
available if you are playing on easy. If you select a  higher
difficulty level the game will assume you no longer need training mode
and will play normally as designed. Angela won't give you any warnings
etc.

Cheers!


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Well since Muhamed seems so bent on having the warnings on Normal as well 
as

Easy I had to point out that Normal difficulty, regardless of what you
actually call it, is supposed to be more challenging than Easy. Logic 
would
seem to indicate that you wouldn't have the trap warnings on that 
particular
difficulty level. Sort of like always having training wheels on a bicycle 
or

always going sighted guide with someone.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Lol! I haven't heard that particular story before, but I'm not
surprised. A lot of the Olympian gods could be cruel like that. They
hated to be bested by mortals, and would use any sneeky trick or cheat
they could to win. Playing fair usually wasn't in their playbook.


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 True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem to
 remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus flute.
 When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that
 they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at the
 same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't
 really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly predictable.
 And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been partly
 why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite RPG's,
 Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite tricky
 to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He
 actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Well, normal and intermeidiat are the same. As for your question, its 
because they get harder.

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Hi,
Does somebody want to clue me in as to what you guys are talking
about? What's the difference if a developer calls the difficulty level
normal, intermediate, medium, whatever?

Smile.

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It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Isn't he called Set in some translations? Or is that another deity entirely? 
If so, didn't you mention once that he's featured as a boss, albeit an 
unbeatable one, in one of the Tomb Raider games?

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Hi Haden,
I don't really know either. I suppose it is like a lot of other myths
from ancient times the stories got changed as the centuries passed by,
and someone somewhere decided to change the story for some reason.
This is by no means the first myth to suffer alteration after having
been passed down through writing or word of mouth through the
centuries.
Take the Egyptian god Seth for example. In the Old Kingdom he was seen
as a good and honorable god garding Ra's Boat of a Million years from
the evil god, Apep, the evil snake god of the underworld, from danger.
However, as the centuries passed Seth took on a less heroic character
in Egyptian mythology and by the New Kingdom is as evil as Apep
himself. They saw Horris as the hero, champion of the people,  and
Seth as a villain.

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Hi Thomas,
Right, that's what I was wondering. I haven't figured out how the jar 
became

a box.

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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Also, no one believed Sinan. The reason was because the turks thought that 
they were sending a present to them. And also, their was a snake but they 
killed that.

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Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

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Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was a
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
her.
I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. LOL. 
I

suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
I've only seen a few fantasy novels where it was possible for a mortal to 
kill a god, but even then in just about every situation the weapon did have 
to be one forged either by or with the help of another god. In David 
Eddings' Belgariad series for instance, Belgarion fought and killed the evil 
god Torak with the Sword of the Rivan King. Granted the sword itself was 
forged by a mortal, Belgarion's ancestor Riva Iron-Grip, but it was adorned 
with an object created by a god, the Orb of Aldur, which had previously 
injured Torak when he tried to force it to submit to him. The gods could be 
wounded by mortal weapons but not killed, even if they were stabbed through 
the head or the heart.

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Hi,
One game I hate is God of War. It wouldn't be nearly so bad if you 
couldn't

kill the gods.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem to
remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus 
flute.

When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that
they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at 
the

same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't
really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly 
predictable.

And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been partly
why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite RPG's,
Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite tricky
to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He
actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.
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Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was 
a

case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill
her.
I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds
as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. 
LOL.



I
suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
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2010-06-27 Thread dark

The term god is a bit lose really especially when you get into fantasy.

For instance, while Torak was a God and Garion a mortal, technically they 
were both empowered by the dark and light prophecieis respectively at the 
time, which made it a far more equal fight, and ultimately it came down to 
whether Torak would give in to despare or Garrion give in to fear.


Beware the grue!

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I've only seen a few fantasy novels where it was possible for a mortal to 
kill a god, but even then in just about every situation the weapon did 
have to be one forged either by or with the help of another god. In David 
Eddings' Belgariad series for instance, Belgarion fought and killed the 
evil god Torak with the Sword of the Rivan King. Granted the sword itself 
was forged by a mortal, Belgarion's ancestor Riva Iron-Grip, but it was 
adorned with an object created by a god, the Orb of Aldur, which had 
previously injured Torak when he tried to force it to submit to him. The 
gods could be wounded by mortal weapons but not killed, even if they were 
stabbed through the head or the heart.

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Hi,
One game I hate is God of War. It wouldn't be nearly so bad if you 
couldn't

kill the gods.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem 
to
remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus 
flute.

When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that
they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at 
the

same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't
really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly 
predictable.
And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been 
partly
why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite 
RPG's,
Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite 
tricky

to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He
actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:02 AM
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Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider, and made her the master weaver of all the animals. I think
that was meant as a  belated apology and possibly as a gift of sorts.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:

Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was 
a

case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill
her.
I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds
as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. 
LOL.



I
suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
That's correct. The names Set and Seth refer to the same Egyptian god.
It all depends on which translation you happen to be reading from.
Some translations are translated from Greek to  English and some are
translations from Egyptian to English. That's why you might discover
different names for the same god or goddess.
As far as Set and the Tomb Raider games that would be Tomb Raider The
:Last Revelation.  In that game Lara Croft finds Set's underground
tomb in Egypt and removes the amulet of Horris thinking to take it
home with her only to discover she released Set's spirit from the
tomb, and now he has returned to take over the world. She then is
tasked with figuring out a way to put him back in his tomb or
imprisoning him so he can't carry out his evil plans. As you said you
can't kill Set, it is an impossible battle, but there is a way to
defeat him by destroying the temple of Horris and burying him inside
the temple. Thus entombing him forever.

On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Isn't he called Set in some translations? Or is that another deity entirely?
 If so, didn't you mention once that he's featured as a boss, albeit an
 unbeatable one, in one of the Tomb Raider games?
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yeah. I'd be interested to know though, whatever happened to Prometheus 
after Hercules set him free?

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And poor old  promethius was punished by having an eagle eat his liver 
every day then having it grow back at night,  easily one of the most 
fun punishments ever!


Though when you considder what was actually done to some other gods it's 
fairly mild,  for instance, the actual egyptian punishment of set 
was,  , interesting! to say the least.


Beware the grue!

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She was actually sent to his brother Epimetheus, but Prometheus tried to 
warn him. Pandora's Box came from the fact that she came with the box 
containing the Miseries as they were called. Epimetheus was supposed to 
open the box after they were married, although another version of the 
story says that Zeus actualy warned her not to open the box knowing full 
well that she would ultimately become too curious to resist. Zeus was 
actually looking for an excuse to punish Prometheus of course and he used 
his attempt to warn Epimetheus off of Pandora as that excuse.

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Hi Brian,
Yes.  In most versions of the myth, Athena simplywon, and turned Arachne
into a spider because of her portrail of the gods. I have heard the one
where Arachne won, though. Athena was apparently so mad she turned 
Arachne
into  a spider for losing. I even heard one version of the Pandora myth 
that
says the gods sent her as a punishment for Promethus bringing us fire. 
Only

question left is: howin the world did it become Pandora' box?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Although she did have something of a temper from what I recall, and a
tendency to cheat in all the contests I've ever read about. Arachne was 
a
case in point, although you're right in that she definitely didn't kill 
her.


I seem to recall that in one version of the story Arachne actually won 
the
weaving contest. In another she did lose because Athena used the clouds 
as
weaving material. Either way of course Arachne ended up as a spider. 
LOL. I

suppose Ares would probably have killed her without even giving her the
opportunity to prove herself.
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:15 AM
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Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with 
athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and 
stuff

before you could reach her?


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2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

No Muhamed, it's going to be a duel of swords.
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So, correct me on this, but is she going to make a magicle ball which 
could dodge attacks and you have to tri to take the ball down with each 
weapon like I mean for 5 minutes or what?

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Hi muhammed,
Correction. I didn't say the boss battle between you and Athena
wouldn't be a battle. What I said is it is a contest of skills not a
battle to the death. If you knew a little more about Greek mythology
you would know Athena, the goddess of wisdom, likes engaging her
adversaries in a contest of skills rather than outright combat.
Killing opponents isn't her forte. That's more like her brother, Ares,
who is the god of war. He is into the fight to the death thing, but
not Athena. Although, she is a warrior god in her own right. She just
uses her head more, and uses brains over brute force.

HTH


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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yep. In the game I mentioned he apparently had universal ambitions if you 
take my meaning. THe player's quest in that game was to find the 77 Magi, 
which were apparently magical stones of great power that when combined would 
summon the goddess Isis. Well Apollo seems like an ally at first, helping 
you along by giving you hints about the locations of some of the Magi and 
even handing a few over to you personally. Then when it looks like you're 
going to complete your quest and gather the last of the Magi Apollo appears 
and steals all of the ones you've collected. Lucky for you he doesn't know 
about the very last Magi, meaning that there are actually 78 in total, but 
when you fight him directly he's already used the Magi he has to transform 
himself. Problem is that the magic was apparently too strong for him and he 
ends up destroying himself. The catch with that though was that if your hit 
points weren't high enough he could actually take you with him.

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Hi Bryan,
Lol! I haven't heard that particular story before, but I'm not
surprised. A lot of the Olympian gods could be cruel like that. They
hated to be bested by mortals, and would use any sneeky trick or cheat
they could to win. Playing fair usually wasn't in their playbook.


On 6/27/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem 
to
remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus 
flute.

When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that
they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at 
the

same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't
really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly 
predictable.
And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been 
partly
why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite 
RPG's,
Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite 
tricky

to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He
actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
You're missing the point Muhamed. The point was that trap warnings shouldn't 
be available on Normal or Intermediate levels. And in fact they wont in 
MOTA's case and in fact will be optional even on easy.

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Well, normal and intermeidiat are the same. As for your question, its 
because they get harder.

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Hi,
Does somebody want to clue me in as to what you guys are talking
about? What's the difference if a developer calls the difficulty level
normal, intermediate, medium, whatever?

Smile.

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It's called Normal difficulty, not Slightly more than Easy.
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Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
That's true. Now if Geran had been chosen at the end of the Malloreon, he 
would have been invincible. Nobody would have been able to stand against 
him. Those have always been one of my favorite fantasi series. In fact I was 
so obsessed with them when I was younger that when I got my hands on a copy 
of RPG Maker for the original Play Station I was fully intent on converting 
as much of the Belgariad into an RPG as I possibly could. Looking back 
though I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have worked out very well...although the 
idea is still very intriguing to me.

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The term god is a bit lose really especially when you get into fantasy.

For instance, while Torak was a God and Garion a mortal, technically they 
were both empowered by the dark and light prophecieis respectively at the 
time, which made it a far more equal fight, and ultimately it came down to 
whether Torak would give in to despare or Garrion give in to fear.


Beware the grue!

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I've only seen a few fantasy novels where it was possible for a mortal to 
kill a god, but even then in just about every situation the weapon did 
have to be one forged either by or with the help of another god. In David 
Eddings' Belgariad series for instance, Belgarion fought and killed the 
evil god Torak with the Sword of the Rivan King. Granted the sword itself 
was forged by a mortal, Belgarion's ancestor Riva Iron-Grip, but it was 
adorned with an object created by a god, the Orb of Aldur, which had 
previously injured Torak when he tried to force it to submit to him. The 
gods could be wounded by mortal weapons but not killed, even if they were 
stabbed through the head or the heart.

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Hi,
One game I hate is God of War. It wouldn't be nearly so bad if you 
couldn't

kill the gods.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

True. I suppose I'd much rather contend with Athena than Apollo. I seem 
to
remember he got into a musical competition with a Satyr, lyre versus 
flute.

When it looked as though he might lose, Apollo changed the rules so that
they each had to turn their instrument upside down and play and sing at 
the

same time. Since you obviously can't play a flute upside down and can't
really sing very well while playing it, the outcome was fairly 
predictable.
And I seem to recall Apollo being quite cruel. That might have been 
partly
why he's featured as the second to final boss in one of my favorite 
RPG's,
Final Fantasy Legend II for the Game Boy. And he was actually quite 
tricky

to beat. Of course technically I suppose you don't really defeat him. He
actually ends up destroying himself by trying to harness too much power.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



Hi Bryan,
Well, some might call what Athena does cheating, but others might also
see it as being clever and sneeky. For example, the Trojan Horse, was
her idea, and of course that was the deciding factor in the Trojan
War. It was a sneeky and underhanded trick to get a small force of
armed men inside Troi's deffences, but it worked. Was that cheating or
just being sneeky?
As for Athena's contest with Arachne Athena did in deed use the clouds
to do her weaving which of course caused her to win the contest.
However, As Athena herself told Arachne after she had won the contest
Arachne didn't tell her that she couldn't use the clouds before the
contest started. Again, this could be seen as cheating, but it also
could mean Athena was being sneeky and underhanded because the terms
of the contest never said that she couldn't use the clouds in her
weaving. Sure what she did wasn't fair, but she was only playing by
the rules stipulated before the contest started, and they didn't state
that using the clouds was prohibited.
However, in that particular story we also get to see Athena's
compassion for mortals too. after Arachne lost the contest she tried
to hang herself with a rope. Athena saw this and turned Arachne into a
spider

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

Muhamed you should have put S
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S
P
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before that. Not everybody wants that section spoiled.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


Aha. The way to pass that is a compleat hidden path. Here it works. When 
your in the room with the casum that you can't jump, you have to keep on 
pressing enter to press the hidden presher swich while your walking in 
that room. Then, a bridge will come out of no ware and you could cross the 
bridge.

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From: RONALD HOPKINS rrhopki...@verizon.net

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:39 AM
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Hello.  This is Ron.  On Mota, what do the cordinates mean?  for example 
it says the casm is below and to the right, how do I get to the point 
where the casm is 0 meters?


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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:29 PM
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I couldn't agree more. When I get into developing more complex games 
with BGT I may use a few end user suggestions, but only those I feel 
would enhance the theme I want for a given game.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:17 PM
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Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry 
Potter stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that 
he will! not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to 
be consistently followed.
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Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would 
add months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do 
that. I think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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No on all counts.
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We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, 
a rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, 
for the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a 
minotaur. Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach 
the kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding 
the room entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in 
the game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone 
agree? Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the 
juels Also, they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? 
Also, Traps shall be put in places like that.

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are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning

Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News

2010-06-27 Thread Muhammed Deniz
But their not going to not be next to her. Their going to be in different 
rooms. How about we have portols in the game?

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Hmmm, sword fighting. That's a battle.
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How about at the finel release, Thomas said that the battle with athina 
wouldn't be a battle. I wonder wather their shall be monsters and stuff 
before you could reach her?

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


Not only that, but a lot of the suggestions are too close to Harry 
Potter stuff, which Thomas Ward has already made perfectly clear that he 
will! not! put into the game, because he wants a particular theme to be 
consistently followed.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


Especially not at this stage of the development process. That would add 
months onto the timeline, and I'm sure Thomas doesn't want to do that. 
I think the game's going to be challenging enough as it is.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



No on all counts.
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News


We think so. Personily, I think their should be water pits or pits 
which have plants which could strangel you. Also, for another trap, a 
rope that you walk on but no floor and a plant from under. Also, for 
the inchanted swords, their shall be a boss strong than a minotaur. 
Maybe a half giant or a pure giant? Also, for you to reach the 
kerberro, I think their shall be an ettan and a troll guarding the 
room entirants. Another thing, why don't you include clubs in the 
game? That's what the troll and the ettin could have. Anyone agree? 
Also for juels, their shall be dogs or horses guarding the juels 
Also, they could be at the end of a level. Anyone like this? Also, 
Traps shall be put in places like that.

My audio games for the blind group.
Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about 
games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when 
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News



are there more traps to come then other than spikes?

On Jun 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:


Hi Charles,
In deed. That's not the only thing. I've also included the trap
warning messages people wanted so that will help as long as you are
playing on something like beginner. I've decided to disable them on
higher difficulty levels since after all

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