Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread David Chittenden

Hello,

spoilers

Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on 
the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has. 
Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any 
mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements? 
This really is a strategy game.


Hints
Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
susseptible to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. 
The other two elements cast individual attacks.


If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I 
tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
fighter type characters.


David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



Hayden Presley wrote:

And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the Drake
liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they never
hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in such
good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I can

up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal and 
harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the time I 
get down to level 25.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


  
people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down 
in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king can



  

be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things such



  
as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk 
goes down like a tonne of bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, 
for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if 
it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves to



  

screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort 
and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), 
and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical 
hits skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee 
classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 5



  

character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, thus



  

in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for specific



  
functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of 
skills to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and be



  
even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really 
doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Strunk
3 times, and you're frustrated? How easy and boring would a game be if you
could beat every opponent after trying only 3 times? I wish it took 10
times. Bring on more drakes!

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Hayden Presley
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:41 PM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Definitely the major complication with the Goblin King Battle is the sheer
number of power opponents you have to fight. Ok, so four isn't exactly a
shere number, but if you factor in their abilities and some of their
equipment you have a killer force to wreckon with. It took me  at least 3
times before I got lucky enough to finish them off.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the 
Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time 
you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage 
it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have that 
ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer. 
One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer is

to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The 
skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they can 
take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to 
focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
 I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
 answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
 school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
 user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
 the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
 Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
 there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
 three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
 However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
 work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
 especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
 some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
 certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
 weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
 didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
 suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
 a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
 does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
 much the same as not having it in my book.
 Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
 love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
 making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
 whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
 the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
 that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
 my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
 just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
 lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
 yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
 butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
 I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
 new player mistakes.


 Cheers!


 On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with 
 docs
 are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
 possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in 
 (I
 well might do so myself).

 As for your difficulties, well mages have the ability to shrink, which is

 a
 start against the drake. It is true jason has tweaked the system so that
 decent and good items are found further down, but you should be finding
 scrolls in the shop unless Jason has indeed removed some of those in the
 demo version of the game.

 There was a point where Jason upped

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Bryan Peterson

Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hello,

spoilers

Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on 
the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has. 
Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any 
mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements? 
This really is a strategy game.


Hints
Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is susseptible 
to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two 
elements cast individual attacks.


If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I 
tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just fighter 
type characters.


David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



Hayden Presley wrote:

And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the Drake
liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they 
never

hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in 
such

good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I 
can


up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal 
and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the 
time I get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down 
in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king 
can





be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things 
such





as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the 
gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, 
for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if 
it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves 
to






screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery 
multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually 
short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job 
with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite 
complement of mine to melee classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 
5






character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
thus





in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for 
specific





functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of 
skills to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and 
be





even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really 
doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Bryan Peterson
You're obviously a hardcore gamer. I'm less so. I can easily see where a 
newby would become frustrated.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



3 times, and you're frustrated? How easy and boring would a game be if you
could beat every opponent after trying only 3 times? I wish it took 10
times. Bring on more drakes!

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Hayden Presley
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:41 PM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Definitely the major complication with the Goblin King Battle is the sheer
number of power opponents you have to fight. Ok, so four isn't exactly a
shere number, but if you factor in their abilities and some of their
equipment you have a killer force to wreckon with. It took me  at least 3
times before I got lucky enough to finish them off.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the
Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time
you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage
it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have 
that

ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer.
One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer 
is


to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The
skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they 
can

take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to
focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
much the same as not having it in my book.
Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
new player mistakes.


Cheers!


On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with
docs
are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in
(I
well might

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark

And any water elemental takes huge damage from lightning.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hello,

spoilers

Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on 
the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has. 
Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any 
mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements? 
This really is a strategy game.


Hints
Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
susseptible to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. 
The other two elements cast individual attacks.


If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I 
tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
fighter type characters.


David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



Hayden Presley wrote:
And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
Drake

liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they 
never

hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in 
such

good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I 
can


up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal 
and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the 
time I get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
down in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the 
king can





be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things 
such





as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the 
gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
priority, for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt 
I'll use if it's the best offense that character combo has,  though 
iceblast and lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always 
go for moves to






screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery 
multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually 
short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job 
with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite 
complement of mine to melee classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 
or 5





character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly 
two.


usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
thus





in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for 
specific





functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of 
skills to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other 
ways, sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd 
try and be





even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it 
really doesn't

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Yeah, that is pretty much what I've discovered myself. My first few
games I didn't find any scrolls, and the couple I did find couldn't be
identified in the shop or with an identify scroll. So I had no idea if
they were useful or not.
However, in my current game I'm loaded with useful scrolls. I found a
pack of five identify scrolls on the first floor which I used on
several unidentified scrolls which turned out to be a curse scroll, a
level 4 shrink scroll, a regeneration scroll, and I got a level 1 fire
bolt scroll from the shop. So this time I've certainly found a lot
more then the previous games. It appears to be a completely random hit
or miss thing like you said.
Plus as for the Drake blocking the stairs that was the case in my
first game I found him. I explored the entire level, and the only
place left to go was down, but the Drake was sitting right there on
the steps leading down. So basically in a case like that I was
screwed. Couldn't beat him, couldn't continue, and just passing him up
wasn't an option.
However, in this new game I'm doing much better. Except for the bug
that won't allow me to pick anything up. I've had to leave behind
quite a bit of weapons and armour because the game won't let me take
it. It acts like it isn't there. So I'm pretty frustrated with that
mishap. That's never happened before. Otherwise I'm really holding my
own against enemies. I just easily faught my way through the Goblin
King and his gang of chronies. Now, if I could just get his weapons
and armour I'm more than willing to give the Drake another try.


On 3/1/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. That
 sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the Drake at
 least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck than on
 skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of the more
 useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't have a Mage to
 shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you could be screwed
 since there's really no way to protect against the Drake's attacks. It's
 perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with his physical attacks if he
 happens to hit your torso or head, which I've noticed he does more often
 than not. And if you get really unlucky and he's blocking the stairs you're
 basically out of luck.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi David,
Very interesting info. That's pretty impressive that certain spell
attacks do more damage to certain elementals than others. I'll
definitely keep that in mind when I begin encountering them again.
However, most of my characters this game are the massive fighter
types. So they don't do much with magic, and would rather slice and
dice there way through the enemy hords. Grin.


On 3/2/10, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 spoilers

 Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on
 the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has.
 Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any
 mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements?
 This really is a strategy game.

 Hints
 Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is
 susseptible to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning.
 The other two elements cast individual attacks.

 If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I
 tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just
 fighter type characters.

 David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Yeah, I'm beginning to find that out myself. To be honest when I began
playing Entombed I treated it in much the same way I'd play any other
RPG type game such as Sryth. I'd try and give my character as many
skills as possible, and not focus on any specific skill/power. Only
problem is that kind of thinking is exactly what will get you killed.
However, in my latest game I decided to focus my skill points on
specific skills. Especially, those that have always came in handy.
Like I have a half-elf mage necro who has ice blast trained up to
level 5. In most cases he can kill most enemies with one attack. A
direct attack to the Goblin King's head drops him stone dead in a
single attack. So with the right skills/powers ttrained up right those
are the key to winning for sure.
As for the Goblin King's so-called guards you are right. If you have a
special attack those guys go down pretty easy. in my last game I used
a confusion scroll to screw up the King, and unleashed my forces on
direct attacks on the guards. They all dropped like flies, and then we
ganged up and took out the King. Was really quite fun and interesting
to watch the Goblin King when he was both confused while my characters
leveled him with ice blasts direct to the head. Needless to say he
didn't put up much of a defence. Lol!



On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down in
 virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king can be
 dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things such as
 chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on getting
 fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always concentrate on duel
 wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on getting a good pare of
 those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk goes down like a tonne of
 bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, for
 mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if it's
 the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and
 lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves to
 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at level
 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at four.
 Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the skill
 combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort and
 crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), and
 crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical hits
 skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee
 classes).

 For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a
 favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 5
 character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

 usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, thus
 in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for specific
 functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of skills
 to play with.

 This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways,
 sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and be
 even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really
 doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.

 Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
 No kidding. Some of those skeletons are tough to kill, and take a
serious beating and keep coming. I've even got one of those on my
team.
I encountered this one goblin fighter on level 4 whom I killed with an
ice blast. I then rezerected him, gave him some cloth armour, a decent
pair of short swords, gave him an enchanted pair of wool leggings, and
he became an awesome fighter. Usually when he goes into combat he
doesn't walk away from the fight without lopping off a hand, foot,
arm, or leg. Sometimes he goes into flurry and kills goblin fighters
outright in one single worlwind attack. He is like totally cool. So it
is certainly useful to have a trained skeleton warrior on your side.
Since I have a Necro myself I always attack the enemy Necros to keep
the enemy from trying to even up the odds. Definitely don't want any
more nasties to fight than I absolutely have too.


On 3/1/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote:
 Yeah, but the king is the one who generally causes the most damage outright.
 The Necromancer is dangerous because he has Ice Blast and then the Summon
 Bones spell. I tend to take out the Necro first, then either the Trickster
 or Shaman or sometimes even the King himself. But I always take out the
 Necro first to make sure nobody else can get resurrected since skeletons,
 apart from often being able to inflict at least as much damage as they did
 in life, can take even more of a beating.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Hayden,
That's why I train at least one of my characters to be a healer. That
way if someone gets a body part mangled, cut off, whatever I can
usually heal it via magic, and don't depend on healing potions.


On 3/1/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 As for the General Store in Twilight town it's the seme for me, and I have
 bought the game. It's ridiculous in that sometimes I can't even find a
 healing potion in there, and now that you start withnone and seldom find
 any, it's extremely arguous when one or the other of your party has this or
 that limb mangled.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Hi,
Usually I like playing as an  elv necro or a elv druade. I know elvs could 
do more dammage, and I try to always try to find an  intelejents weapon for 
them.
If you are looking for fighters, ogres are the competition blaster for 
fighters.


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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Hayden,
That's why I train at least one of my characters to be a healer. That
way if someone gets a body part mangled, cut off, whatever I can
usually heal it via magic, and don't depend on healing potions.


On 3/1/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi Thomas,
As for the General Store in Twilight town it's the seme for me, and I 
have

bought the game. It's ridiculous in that sometimes I can't even find a
healing potion in there, and now that you start withnone and seldom find
any, it's extremely arguous when one or the other of your party has this 
or

that limb mangled.
Best Regards,
Hayden


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark

Glad things are working out tom.

As I said, I'd generally agree on being even handed with skills, in fact in 
muds or online games I rather dislike my character being limited in what 
he/she can do depending upon skills, so try and have as wide an array as 
possible.


Entombed though is a different game with a different focus. Not only do you 
have effectively six sets of skills to choose from,  thus making it 
possible to have a number of characters with specific rolls, but also the 
game, rather than being a long online affair that goes on forever, is a 
replayable rpg where you can try different combinations and skill sets and 
see what works best. Imho this is one of the games' major strengths,  so 
much choice to the player in terms of how to handle the game, which 
contributes to it's replayability as much as the random generation of 
dungeons and enemies do.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,
Yeah, I'm beginning to find that out myself. To be honest when I began
playing Entombed I treated it in much the same way I'd play any other
RPG type game such as Sryth. I'd try and give my character as many
skills as possible, and not focus on any specific skill/power. Only
problem is that kind of thinking is exactly what will get you killed.
However, in my latest game I decided to focus my skill points on
specific skills. Especially, those that have always came in handy.
Like I have a half-elf mage necro who has ice blast trained up to
level 5. In most cases he can kill most enemies with one attack. A
direct attack to the Goblin King's head drops him stone dead in a
single attack. So with the right skills/powers ttrained up right those
are the key to winning for sure.
As for the Goblin King's so-called guards you are right. If you have a
special attack those guys go down pretty easy. in my last game I used
a confusion scroll to screw up the King, and unleashed my forces on
direct attacks on the guards. They all dropped like flies, and then we
ganged up and took out the King. Was really quite fun and interesting
to watch the Goblin King when he was both confused while my characters
leveled him with ice blasts direct to the head. Needless to say he
didn't put up much of a defence. Lol!





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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark
The thing with skeletons,  and to an extent zombies, is that they can't 
be killed by simply mangling body parts or chopping heads off, you need to 
stringently hack every piece of them up to despose of them. On the pluss 
side though, those bones are very brital, and easily damamged.


skeletal fighters therefore are very vulnerable to having their hands 
mangled or chopped off, and skeletal animals can have their skuls 
mangled,  which wrenders them harmless and unable to attack.


hth.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,
No kidding. Some of those skeletons are tough to kill, and take a
serious beating and keep coming. I've even got one of those on my
team.
I encountered this one goblin fighter on level 4 whom I killed with an
ice blast. I then rezerected him, gave him some cloth armour, a decent
pair of short swords, gave him an enchanted pair of wool leggings, and
he became an awesome fighter. Usually when he goes into combat he
doesn't walk away from the fight without lopping off a hand, foot,
arm, or leg. Sometimes he goes into flurry and kills goblin fighters
outright in one single worlwind attack. He is like totally cool. So it
is certainly useful to have a trained skeleton warrior on your side.
Since I have a Necro myself I always attack the enemy Necros to keep
the enemy from trying to even up the odds. Definitely don't want any
more nasties to fight than I absolutely have too.




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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark
I have to say I think half orcs are better physical characters than ogres. 
their stronger and tougher than humans, but a great deal faster and more 
accurate than ogres, pluss they get a greater job selection.


Just a personal opinion though of course.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,
Usually I like playing as an  elv necro or a elv druade. I know elvs could 
do more dammage, and I try to always try to find an  intelejents weapon 
for them.
If you are looking for fighters, ogres are the competition blaster for 
fighters.


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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Hayden,
That's why I train at least one of my characters to be a healer. That
way if someone gets a body part mangled, cut off, whatever I can
usually heal it via magic, and don't depend on healing potions.


On 3/1/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi Thomas,
As for the General Store in Twilight town it's the seme for me, and I 
have

bought the game. It's ridiculous in that sometimes I can't even find a
healing potion in there, and now that you start withnone and seldom find
any, it's extremely arguous when one or the other of your party has this 
or

that limb mangled.
Best Regards,
Hayden


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Strunk
I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat it
the first time through.

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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:49 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

You're obviously a hardcore gamer. I'm less so. I can easily see where a 
newby would become frustrated.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


3 times, and you're frustrated? How easy and boring would a game be if you
 could beat every opponent after trying only 3 times? I wish it took 10
 times. Bring on more drakes!

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Hayden Presley
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:41 PM
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 Definitely the major complication with the Goblin King Battle is the sheer
 number of power opponents you have to fight. Ok, so four isn't exactly a
 shere number, but if you factor in their abilities and some of their
 equipment you have a killer force to wreckon with. It took me  at least 3
 times before I got lucky enough to finish them off.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:29 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the
 Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time
 you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage
 it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have 
 that
 ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer.
 One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer 
 is

 to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The
 skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they 
 can
 take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to
 focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
 I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
 answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
 school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
 user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
 the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
 Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
 there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
 three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
 However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
 work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
 especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
 some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
 certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
 weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
 didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
 suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
 a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
 does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
 much the same as not having it in my book.
 Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
 love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
 making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
 whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
 the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
 that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
 my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
 just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
 lacking some vital information

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
 gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
 out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat it
 the first time through.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Strunk
Which I don't disagree with. My point in all of this is that there's nothing
wrong with a game if it takes three attempts to kill a boss.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:56 PM
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Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
 gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
 out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat it
 the first time through.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and so 
far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it. 
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried 
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck 
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what 
else I can try to fix the problem.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
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Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat it
the first time through.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
I have to agree with this. I like a challenge and in fact lose interest 
quickly if it is easy to kill. I want to have to die a few times until I 
figure it out and get it right.  I learn from my mistakes.

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Which I don't disagree with. My point in all of this is that there's 
nothing

wrong with a game if it takes three attempts to kill a boss.

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Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat it
the first time through.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Bryan Peterson
The reason why I said Hardcore was that you seemed surprised that it took 
only three attempt for Dark to kill said bosss. You seemed to think it ought 
to take more. I'm all for challenge, don't get me wrong. That's something I 
agree our market desperately needs. But I do think it can be taken too far.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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Which I don't disagree with. My point in all of this is that there's 
nothing

wrong with a game if it takes three attempts to kill a boss.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:56 PM
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Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Ron Schamerhorn
Hi

  I'd just ensure that it's the latest release of Entombed.  Currently 
version 1.  I've only played a bit using JFW 9 and it seems to work well. 
Perhaps it's the entombed saved games option that's causing your trouble.

Just a couple thoughts.

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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and so
far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what
else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Ryan,
 Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
 isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
 documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
 I'd personally really enjoy the game.

 On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
 gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play time
 out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat it
 the first time through.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark
While I agree challenge can be taken too far,  technoshock (and possibly 
night of parasite), being a case in point, I personally don't agree entombed 
steps over this boundry. I believe there have been times the beta version 
has, such as when due to a misjudgement you started minus a pet, and 
when,  in I believe beta 2.41 or so, the drake first got fire breath and 
was resistance to just about everything.


However, I'd say the difficulty is about right now. hard enough to be 
challenging, but not hard enough to be frustrating.


Obviously this is both highly personali and dependent upon the skills of the 
gamer,  I freely admit for instance I'm terrible at racing games, and 
I've never got beyond mission 5 of lone wolf (possibly due to my spacial 
coordination). But going on average, as any developer must I'd say Jason has 
entombed currently balanced about right.


of course if more features and other things are added the balance pendulum 
will probably swing again,  eg, an uba character job or race, or a super 
nasty monster. but hopefully reports and opinions from the entombed list can 
help keep the balance where it needs to be even with these additions.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark
The saved games, --- -and particularly the preferences.dat file have caused 
conflicts with screen readers before,  possibly see if deleting one or 
the other of those helps.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi

 I'd just ensure that it's the latest release of Entombed.  Currently
version 1.  I've only played a bit using JFW 9 and it seems to work well.
Perhaps it's the entombed saved games option that's causing your trouble.

Just a couple thoughts.

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From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J. pebbles...@sbcglobal.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and 
so

far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what
else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play 
time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat 
it

the first time through.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Well, I downloaded entombed just a couple days ago. So, unless there has 
been a more recent release I am pretty sure I am up to date. And I did 
delete the saved games and reinstalled but still no luck. I am using jaws 
10. Thanks for the suggestions though. I am confused as to why it isn't 
cooperating. lol

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Hi

 I'd just ensure that it's the latest release of Entombed.  Currently
version 1.  I've only played a bit using JFW 9 and it seems to work well.
Perhaps it's the entombed saved games option that's causing your trouble.

Just a couple thoughts.

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From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J. pebbles...@sbcglobal.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and 
so

far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what
else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play 
time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat 
it

the first time through.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
I will have to try the preferences file. i wasn't aware of that one.  will 
try that and see what happens. Thanks. *smile*

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From: dark d...@xgam.org

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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


The saved games, --- -and particularly the preferences.dat file have 
caused conflicts with screen readers before,  possibly see if deleting 
one or the other of those helps.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi

 I'd just ensure that it's the latest release of Entombed.  Currently
version 1.  I've only played a bit using JFW 9 and it seems to work well.
Perhaps it's the entombed saved games option that's causing your trouble.

Just a couple thoughts.

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From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J. pebbles...@sbcglobal.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and 
so

far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure 
what

else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play 
time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat 
it

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark
Out of interest, what happens when you press alt J in the main menue? this 
should quickly set the game to run via jaws, (use alt S for sapi, alt A for 
system access or alt W for window eyes).


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J. pebbles...@sbcglobal.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I will have to try the preferences file. i wasn't aware of that one.  will 
try that and see what happens. Thanks. *smile*

Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


The saved games, --- -and particularly the preferences.dat file have 
caused conflicts with screen readers before,  possibly see if 
deleting one or the other of those helps.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi

 I'd just ensure that it's the latest release of Entombed.  Currently
version 1.  I've only played a bit using JFW 9 and it seems to work 
well.
Perhaps it's the entombed saved games option that's causing your 
trouble.


Just a couple thoughts.

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From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J. pebbles...@sbcglobal.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo 
and so

far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am 
stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure 
what

else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a 
hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play 
time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat 
it

the first time through.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Richard Sherman
Hi,

As it has been said before, make sure that you have the latest build, 
version 1.00, installed.

If you do, here are some suggestions:

1. When the game starts, press alt J to make jaws as the preferred speech 
engine.

2. Go to change preferences.

3. Change anything there and save your preferences. When your preferences 
are saved, it should say so and take you bakc to the main menu.

This should fix your problem and jaws should  be the default speech when the 
game is started. If this does not work, go into your documents folder and 
find the saved games folder. Go two folders in. You should find about 8 
files there. Find the Entombed.dat file and delete it. Then go into the game 
again. SAPI will be your speech at this time. Then follow the instructions 
above.

Any other problems, just write.

HTH.

Rich
- Original Message - 
From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:31 PM


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and so
far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what
else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Ok, so I tried these suggestions and  I still haven't had any luck. As I 
said, i downloaded this just a few days ago so I assume it is up to date 
though I am unsure  on how to check that.
I pressed alt j and when I do that I have no speech at all. I can up and 
down  arrow and I will hear beeping but no speech. I then press alt s and 
sapi speech comes in loud and clear.  I have tried changing it in 
preferences but have the same problem.  I went  into the saved games folder 
and tried deleting the preferences.dat but when i went back to the game and 
tried setting jaws it still refused to cooperate.  I did not see an 
entombed.dat file but I did try deleting the saved games folder entirely and 
still no luck. Leave it to jaws to be difficult. lol Or at least jaws on my 
computer anyway.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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From: Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,

As it has been said before, make sure that you have the latest build,
version 1.00, installed.

If you do, here are some suggestions:

1. When the game starts, press alt J to make jaws as the preferred speech
engine.

2. Go to change preferences.

3. Change anything there and save your preferences. When your preferences
are saved, it should say so and take you bakc to the main menu.

This should fix your problem and jaws should  be the default speech when 
the

game is started. If this does not work, go into your documents folder and
find the saved games folder. Go two folders in. You should find about 8
files there. Find the Entombed.dat file and delete it. Then go into the 
game

again. SAPI will be your speech at this time. Then follow the instructions
above.

Any other problems, just write.

HTH.

Rich
- Original Message - 
From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J.

Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:31 PM


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and 
so

far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with it.
When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what
else I can try to fix the problem.
Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi  Thomas,
Oh, I have a healer, but I often use his abilities as harm is a great skill
to use once  you have upgraded it.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:50 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Hi Hayden,
That's why I train at least one of my characters to be a healer. That
way if someone gets a body part mangled, cut off, whatever I can
usually heal it via magic, and don't depend on healing potions.


On 3/1/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 As for the General Store in Twilight town it's the seme for me, and I have
 bought the game. It's ridiculous in that sometimes I can't even find a
 healing potion in there, and now that you start withnone and seldom find
 any, it's extremely arguous when one or the other of your party has this
or
 that limb mangled.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Darn, I don't have a Druid in my party to speak of.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:07 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

And any water elemental takes huge damage from lightning.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hello,

 spoilers

 Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on 
 the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has. 
 Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any 
 mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements? 
 This really is a strategy game.

 Hints
 Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
 susseptible to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. 
 The other two elements cast individual attacks.

 If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I 
 tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
 fighter type characters.

 David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



 Hayden Presley wrote:
 And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
 Drake
 liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
 elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they 
 never
 hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
 characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in 
 such
 good shape.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I

 can

 up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
 obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal 
 and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the 
 time I get down to level 25.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
 down in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the 
 king can



 be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things 
 such



 as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
 getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
 concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
 getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the 
 gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
 priority, for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt 
 I'll use if it's the best offense that character combo has,  though

 iceblast and lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always

 go for moves to



 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
 level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
 four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
 skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery 
 multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually 
 short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job 
 with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite 
 complement of mine to melee classes).

 For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
 favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 
 or 5



 character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly 
 two.

 usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
 thus



 in entombed it really does pay to have

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
I know this is giving away a bit but do you end up finding the same bosses
at the bottmm of the Ossuary? Personally, I  doubt it, but I'm not chicken
enough to find out right now. Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hello,

 spoilers

 Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on 
 the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has. 
 Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any 
 mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements? 
 This really is a strategy game.

 Hints
 Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is susseptible

 to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two 
 elements cast individual attacks.

 If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I 
 tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just fighter

 type characters.

 David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



 Hayden Presley wrote:
 And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the Drake
 liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
 elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they 
 never
 hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
 characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in 
 such
 good shape.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I 
 can

 up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
 obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal 
 and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the 
 time I get down to level 25.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down

 in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king 
 can



 be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things 
 such



 as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
 getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
 concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
 getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the 
 gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority,

 for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if

 it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and

 lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves 
 to



 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
 level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
 four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
 skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery 
 multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually 
 short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job 
 with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite 
 complement of mine to melee classes).

 For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
 favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or

 5



 character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

 usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
 thus



 in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for 
 specific



 functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of 
 skills to play with.

 This is of course, just the stratogy

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Ryan,
I don't recall saying I was exactly frustrated, I jimply noted the fact it
took me at least thre times to finish them off.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Strunk
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:06 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

3 times, and you're frustrated? How easy and boring would a game be if you
could beat every opponent after trying only 3 times? I wish it took 10
times. Bring on more drakes!

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Hayden Presley
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:41 PM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Definitely the major complication with the Goblin King Battle is the sheer
number of power opponents you have to fight. Ok, so four isn't exactly a
shere number, but if you factor in their abilities and some of their
equipment you have a killer force to wreckon with. It took me  at least 3
times before I got lucky enough to finish them off.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the 
Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time 
you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage 
it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have that 
ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer. 
One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer is

to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The 
skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they can 
take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to 
focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
 I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
 answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
 school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
 user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
 the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
 Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
 there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
 three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
 However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
 work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
 especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
 some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
 certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
 weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
 didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
 suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
 a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
 does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
 much the same as not having it in my book.
 Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
 love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
 making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
 whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
 the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
 that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
 my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
 just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
 lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
 yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
 butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
 I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
 new player mistakes.


 Cheers!


 On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with 
 docs
 are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
 possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in 
 (I
 well

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread dark
Nope, the osuary has a different boss, just like the old mine works vs the 
goblin stronghold,  what that boss is though I'll leave you to find out 
for yourself.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,
I know this is giving away a bit but do you end up finding the same bosses
at the bottmm of the Ossuary? Personally, I  doubt it, but I'm not chicken
enough to find out right now. Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hello,

spoilers

Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on
the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has.
Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any
mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements?
This really is a strategy game.

Hints
Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
susseptible



to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two
elements cast individual attacks.

If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I
tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
fighter



type characters.

David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



Hayden Presley wrote:
And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
Drake

liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they
never
hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in
such
good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I
can

up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal
and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the
time I get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of
pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.




people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
down



in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king
can





be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things
such





as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the
gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
priority,


for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use 
if


it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast 
and



lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves
to





screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery
multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually
short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job
with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite
complement of mine to melee classes).

For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 
or



5




character will probably

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Bryan Peterson

Nope, the Oshuary has an undead army for its boss.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,
I know this is giving away a bit but do you end up finding the same bosses
at the bottmm of the Ossuary? Personally, I  doubt it, but I'm not chicken
enough to find out right now. Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hello,

spoilers

Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on
the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has.
Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any
mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements?
This really is a strategy game.

Hints
Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
susseptible



to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two
elements cast individual attacks.

If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I
tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
fighter



type characters.

David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



Hayden Presley wrote:
And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
Drake

liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they
never
hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in
such
good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I
can

up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal
and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the
time I get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of
pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.




people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
down



in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king
can





be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things
such





as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the
gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
priority,


for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use 
if


it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast 
and



lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves
to





screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery
multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually
short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job
with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite
complement of mine to melee classes).

For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 
or



5




character will probably have at least one good skill

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Steve

Hello Kellie,
have you tried to set the game to use JAWS and then close the game and 
restart JAWS and then the game. This is what I had to do, since you have 
JAWS turned off when you run the game with SAPI.

Steve
- Original Message - 
From: Kellie and my lovable Lady J. pebbles...@sbcglobal.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


This game seems like a game I would like. I have messed with the demo and 
so far it is pretty interesting. I only hate that I can't use jaws with 
it. When I switch the engine to jaws I lose all speech. I have tried 
uninstalling and reinstalling entombed and still it does this. I am stuck 
using the sapi voices and they are not my favorite. lol I am not sure what 
else I can try to fix the problem.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J.
Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus
www.guidedogs.com
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Ryan,
Sure. I generally like challenging games myself. I think for me it
isn't so much the challenge in the game as a lot of details are not
documented and there are a few bugs that really need fixing. Otherwise
I'd personally really enjoy the game.

On 3/2/10, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't see how expecting a challenge out of a game makes me a hardcore
gamer. Paying 40 dollars for a game means I want to get as much play 
time
out of it as possible. That means that I don't want to be able to beat 
it

the first time through.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Oh Boy, I'll look forward to that. Sarcastic grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:04 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Nope, the Oshuary has an undead army for its boss.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi,
 I know this is giving away a bit but do you end up finding the same bosses
 at the bottmm of the Ossuary? Personally, I  doubt it, but I'm not chicken
 enough to find out right now. Grin
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hello,

 spoilers

 Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on
 the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has.
 Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any
 mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements?
 This really is a strategy game.

 Hints
 Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
 susseptible

 to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two
 elements cast individual attacks.

 If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I
 tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
 fighter

 type characters.

 David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



 Hayden Presley wrote:
 And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
 Drake
 liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
 elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they
 never
 hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
 characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in
 such
 good shape.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I
 can

 up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros
 obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal
 and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the
 time I get down to level 25.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
 down

 in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king
 can



 be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things
 such



 as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on
 getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always
 concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on
 getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the
 gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
 priority,

 for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use 
 if

 it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast 
 and

 lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves
 to



 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at
 level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at
 four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the
 skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery
 multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Dark,
Hmmm...I need to play the old mine works, I haven't played that one yet
either.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:37 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Nope, the osuary has a different boss, just like the old mine works vs the 
goblin stronghold,  what that boss is though I'll leave you to find out 
for yourself.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi,
 I know this is giving away a bit but do you end up finding the same bosses
 at the bottmm of the Ossuary? Personally, I  doubt it, but I'm not chicken
 enough to find out right now. Grin
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hello,

 spoilers

 Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on
 the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has.
 Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any
 mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements?
 This really is a strategy game.

 Hints
 Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
 susseptible

 to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two
 elements cast individual attacks.

 If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I
 tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
 fighter

 type characters.

 David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



 Hayden Presley wrote:
 And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
 Drake
 liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
 elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they
 never
 hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
 characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in
 such
 good shape.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I
 can

 up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros
 obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal
 and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the
 time I get down to level 25.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
 down

 in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king
 can



 be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things
 such



 as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on
 getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always
 concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on
 getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the
 gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
 priority,

 for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use 
 if

 it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast 
 and

 lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves
 to



 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at
 level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at
 four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the
 skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-02 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Dark,
Hmmm...I need to play the old mine works, I haven't played that one yet
either.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:37 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Nope, the osuary has a different boss, just like the old mine works vs the 
goblin stronghold,  what that boss is though I'll leave you to find out 
for yourself.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi,
 I know this is giving away a bit but do you end up finding the same bosses
 at the bottmm of the Ossuary? Personally, I  doubt it, but I'm not chicken
 enough to find out right now. Grin
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 Earthquake is also extremely susceptible to ice.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hello,

 spoilers

 Take them out one elemental at a time. Focus all of your attack power on
 the most damaging one first. Remember what powers each elemental has.
 Which two elementals have area effect spell attacks? If you have any
 mages, which magical attacks are more effective against which elements?
 This really is a strategy game.

 Hints
 Air casts lightning and is quite resistent to lightning but is 
 susseptible

 to ice. Water casts surge and is susseptible to lightning. The other two
 elements cast individual attacks.

 If you are using just massive fighter types, I cannot help so much as I
 tend to look for magical strategies and don't do so well with just 
 fighter

 type characters.

 David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com



 Hayden Presley wrote:
 And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the 
 Drake
 liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
 elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they
 never
 hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
 characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in
 such
 good shape.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

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 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I
 can

 up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros
 obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal
 and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the
 time I get down to level 25.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes 
 down

 in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king
 can



 be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things
 such



 as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on
 getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always
 concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on
 getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the
 gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a 
 priority,

 for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use 
 if

 it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast 
 and

 lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves
 to



 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at
 level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at
 four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the
 skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Greg

Hello Thomas,
To target different body parts:
1  Just before you select your target hit and hold down one of the number 
row keys 1-8.

1 = lower left)left leg or left foot).
3 = lower right(leg or foot)
4 = left arm or hand.
6 = right arm or hand
5 = torso
8 = head.
Hope this helps,
Greg W.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Richard,
that's some very valuable information. However, how exactly to you
target a specific part of the body. Every time I play it seams like
the game picks a body part at random. If there is a specific way to
turn the random attack off and give me the choice of head, body, legs,
hands, whatever please let me know. I've been wondering if there was a
more inteligent way of targeting and directing my attacks to do the
most damage and the most good against any enemy let alone the Drake.

Thanks.


On 2/27/10, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
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Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work 
really
well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on 
the

drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off.
Sure someone else will elaborate.

The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out
less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on
certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level 
of

the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They
will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always
dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the
battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton
handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a
limited time effect.

Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and
haste come to mind.

Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too
much afterwards.

Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable
spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher
probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely 
do

some damage.

Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try
again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you 
have

more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

HTH.

rich
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From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Thanks guys. I've got it now. I've been putting that skill to good use
in my various combats. In fact it just saved my bacon in a bloody and
gory battle with the Goblin King on level 6. Although, it was a case
of winning the battle but not the war.

On 2/27/10, Greg gwblindm...@gwblindman.org wrote:
 Hello Thomas,
 To target different body parts:
 1  Just before you select your target hit and hold down one of the number
 row keys 1-8.
 1 = lower left)left leg or left foot).
 3 = lower right(leg or foot)
 4 = left arm or hand.
 6 = right arm or hand
 5 = torso
 8 = head.
 Hope this helps,
 Greg W.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Bite your tongue. I've only once made it to the Drake in tact, and in
my current game a battle with the Goblin King widdled my party down to
one character. And ironically not the strongest or best of my
characters. She got lucky slaying the Goblin King because Cassandra
softened him up enough that Dara could hit him in the head with a
firebolt and kill him. However, I was pretty much dead in the water
because Dara was missing an arm and a leg which meant she couldn't
exactly move on and fight the Drake. The game certainly is not easy.
I've had to restart several times, and I've never beaten the Drake at
all. I'm usually malled long before i reach that point. Lol!



On 2/28/10, Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca wrote:
 Hi

   I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of
 races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler
 which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to
 do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came
 back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can win,
 though not always an easy one.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,
Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
handedly whiped my party out.
So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
explains something in detail?
One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
to provide some documentation for the game. I keep trying to look
something up only to get the message that this or that is not
available yet. Well, if he wants to sell the game Jason is going to
have to write some detailed documentation or get someone who is a
skilled player to write it. I'm growing sick and tired of not having a
manual for the game. I'm of half a mind to write him personally and
ask him to hurry up and write the manual so I have something to refer
too.I should not have to ask the list how to target a body part,
because the so-called documentation doesn't bother to mention it.
Needless to say I'm a bit ticked off that I'm obviously missing a good
portion of information because the documentation absolutely sucks.

Frown


On 2/28/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 The important thing to remember about the drake is that he gets fewer
 attacks than you do. so, you need to make fewer count. Thus, shrinking him
 with a mage is always a good plan, as are using slow scrolls on him while
 using haste scrolls on yourself. Confusion scrolls also help sinse he'll be
 attacking himself some of the time, as do web and paralize scrolls for
 obvious reasons.

 Also, with a melee setup like the one you've got, your probably best off
 aiming at the drakes' abdomin or neck, sinse the drake can suffer manglement
 in either place with enough damage.

 Lastly, remember that for every technique you use there's a price, sinse
 every technique has a much longer cool down time than normal fight commands.
 Thus, doing a flurry or multishot should be thought about carefully,
 particularly if you combine it with something like sneak attack to do extra
 damage.

 Lastly, remember the importance of passive skills like duel ield and (for
 certain classes), crytical hits.

 I've defeated the drake at level 7 with various party setups, bu have always
 needed to use scrolls etc to tweak the odds.

 Hth.

 Beware the Grue!

 Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Muhammed,
Oh, I wish. My weapons only do between 3 to 5 damage to the Drake.
Remember all I have is pretty much junk weapons I picked up around the
game. Other than the armour and weapons you get from slaying the
Goblin King the rest are just dubious rated crap that is common
throughout the game. Seriously, I'd like to know where and how to get
better weapons and armour. I know Twilight Town is useless. I've found
better weapons and armour on the floor than the Town. All it has is
poor and dubious rated junk.


On 2/28/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hello Thomas,
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 Now, this is the technique I use. If your necro's swords did 50 damage, then
 you could kill him.
 But if it does 100 dammage, you could kill him in two hits.
 So 50 4, and 100 2.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with docs 
are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's 
possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in (I 
well might do so myself).


As for your difficulties, well mages have the ability to shrink, which is a 
start against the drake. It is true jason has tweaked the system so that 
decent and good items are found further down, but you should be finding 
scrolls in the shop unless Jason has indeed removed some of those in the 
demo version of the game.


There was a point where Jason upped the difficulty a trifle too far, (where 
the drake was near impossible), but I'd say it's about there now, ie, 
difficult but possible.


If however some scrolls are missing in the demo, that might indeed change 
the balance particularly of the drake battle, which would be inconvenient.


While I agree about lack of documentation,  heck, I was on the private 
alpha team and there are stil some things I'd like clarrified by a manual, I 
will say that this is only a temporary hitch, and that once either Jason or 
players create documentation things should work out, I'm just sorry that 
your caught out with this, and not able to appreciate all the good points 
about the game.


Beware the grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,
Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
much the same as not having it in my book.
Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
new player mistakes.


Cheers!


On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with docs
 are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
 possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in (I
 well might do so myself).

 As for your difficulties, well mages have the ability to shrink, which is a
 start against the drake. It is true jason has tweaked the system so that
 decent and good items are found further down, but you should be finding
 scrolls in the shop unless Jason has indeed removed some of those in the
 demo version of the game.

 There was a point where Jason upped the difficulty a trifle too far, (where
 the drake was near impossible), but I'd say it's about there now, ie,
 difficult but possible.

 If however some scrolls are missing in the demo, that might indeed change
 the balance particularly of the drake battle, which would be inconvenient.

 While I agree about lack of documentation,  heck, I was on the private
 alpha team and there are stil some things I'd like clarrified by a manual, I
 will say that this is only a temporary hitch, and that once either Jason or
 players create documentation things should work out, I'm just sorry that
 your caught out with this, and not able to appreciate all the good points
 about the game.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

Well, there is in fact a list of conditions and spell effects in the docs 
which will tell you for instance, what focus scrolls do, see 
http://wiki.blind-games.com/wiki/doku.php?id=entombed-conditions for 
details.


If Jason has missed certain scrolls out of the demo, that would explain 
difficulty of the drake battle, sinse many job combinations can only get 
through that battle thanks to a scroll or two to ease things along.


I must admit I generally approve of the difficulty, sinse it's good to have 
an rpg where you actually need to think about stratogy, considder who is in 
your party, what the battle order is and how best to use each characters' 
techniques or magic during the game rather than hammering fight all the time 
and hoping for the best, which unfortunately seems to be what happens in 
many games.


The down side to this, is that the system is more complex and indeed does 
take some getting used to, however,  as you'll gather I'd say it's well 
worth it.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
much the same as not having it in my book.
Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
new player mistakes.


Cheers!


On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with 
docs

are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in 
(I

well might do so myself).

As for your difficulties, well mages have the ability to shrink, which is 
a

start against the drake. It is true jason has tweaked the system so that
decent and good items are found further down, but you should be finding
scrolls in the shop unless Jason has indeed removed some of those in the
demo version of the game.

There was a point where Jason upped the difficulty a trifle too far, 
(where

the drake was near impossible), but I'd say it's about there now, ie,
difficult but possible.

If however some scrolls are missing in the demo, that might indeed change
the balance particularly of the drake battle, which would be 
inconvenient.


While I agree about lack of documentation,  heck, I was on the 
private
alpha team and there are stil some things I'd like clarrified by a 
manual, I
will say that this is only a temporary hitch, and that once either Jason 
or

players create documentation things should work out, I'm just sorry that
your caught out with this, and not able to appreciate all the good points
about the game.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. That 
sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the Drake at 
least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck than on 
skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of the more 
useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't have a Mage to 
shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you could be screwed 
since there's really no way to protect against the Drake's attacks. It's 
perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with his physical attacks if he 
happens to hit your torso or head, which I've noticed he does more often 
than not. And if you get really unlucky and he's blocking the stairs you're 
basically out of luck.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
handedly whiped my party out.
So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
explains something in detail?
One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
to provide some documentation for the game. I keep trying to look
something up only to get the message that this or that is not
available yet. Well, if he wants to sell the game Jason is going to
have to write some detailed documentation or get someone who is a
skilled player to write it. I'm growing sick and tired of not having a
manual for the game. I'm of half a mind to write him personally and
ask him to hurry up and write the manual so I have something to refer
too.I should not have to ask the list how to target a body part,
because the so-called documentation doesn't bother to mention it.
Needless to say I'm a bit ticked off that I'm obviously missing a good
portion of information because the documentation absolutely sucks.

Frown


On 2/28/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

The important thing to remember about the drake is that he gets fewer
attacks than you do. so, you need to make fewer count. Thus, shrinking 
him

with a mage is always a good plan, as are using slow scrolls on him while
using haste scrolls on yourself. Confusion scrolls also help sinse he'll 
be

attacking himself some of the time, as do web and paralize scrolls for
obvious reasons.

Also, with a melee setup like the one you've got, your probably best off
aiming at the drakes' abdomin or neck, sinse the drake can suffer 
manglement

in either place with enough damage.

Lastly, remember that for every technique you use there's a price, sinse
every technique has a much longer cool down time than normal fight 
commands.

Thus, doing a flurry or multishot should be thought about carefully,
particularly if you combine it with something like sneak attack to do 
extra

damage.

Lastly, remember the importance of passive skills like duel ield and (for
certain classes), crytical hits.

I've defeated the drake at level 7 with various party setups, bu have 
always

needed to use scrolls etc to tweak the odds.

Hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the 
Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time 
you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage 
it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have that 
ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer. 
One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer is 
to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The 
skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they can 
take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to 
focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
much the same as not having it in my book.
Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
new player mistakes.


Cheers!


On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with 
docs

are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in 
(I

well might do so myself).

As for your difficulties, well mages have the ability to shrink, which is 
a

start against the drake. It is true jason has tweaked the system so that
decent and good items are found further down, but you should be finding
scrolls in the shop unless Jason has indeed removed some of those in the
demo version of the game.

There was a point where Jason upped the difficulty a trifle too far, 
(where

the drake was near impossible), but I'd say it's about there now, ie,
difficult but possible.

If however some scrolls are missing in the demo, that might indeed change
the balance particularly of the drake battle, which would be 
inconvenient.


While I agree about lack of documentation,  heck, I was on the 
private
alpha team and there are stil some things I'd like clarrified by a 
manual, I
will say that this is only a temporary hitch, and that once either Jason 
or

players create documentation things should work out, I'm just sorry that
your caught out with this, and not able to appreciate all the good points
about the game.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark
As I've said on the entombed list here Bryan, I'm afraid I don't agree on 
this point. Now that the drake is more vulnerable to magic from scrolls, any 
of a number,  including confusion, slow, curse paralize or web will do, 
not to mention haste, empowerment, focus or enlightenment for your party 
(which all increase damage and accuracy).


I don't think I've ever got to the drake without having one or other of 
these,  often bought from the general store.


Then, there is always shrink and knock down. In fact, the way I defeated the 
drake in 2.41, in possibly one of his nastiest encarnations was having an 
ogre brawler who alternated betwene bash,  which meant the drake was 
spending half his turns standing up, and grapple (which admittedly is only 
possible either with an ogre, or with a shrunken drake).


This worked,  allthough I lost all the rest of my party apart from my 
pet at the time,  and the current drake is a great deal easier than at 
that point.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. 
That sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the 
Drake at least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck 
than on skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of the 
more useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't have a 
Mage to shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you could be 
screwed since there's really no way to protect against the Drake's 
attacks. It's perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with his physical 
attacks if he happens to hit your torso or head, which I've noticed he 
does more often than not. And if you get really unlucky and he's blocking 
the stairs you're basically out of luck.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
handedly whiped my party out.
So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
explains something in detail?
One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
to provide some documentation for the game. I keep trying to look
something up only to get the message that this or that is not
available yet. Well, if he wants to sell the game Jason is going to
have to write some detailed documentation or get someone who is a
skilled player to write it. I'm growing sick and tired of not having a
manual for the game. I'm of half a mind to write him personally and
ask him to hurry up and write the manual so I have something to refer
too.I should not have to ask the list how to target a body part,
because the so-called documentation doesn't bother to mention it.
Needless to say I'm a bit ticked off that I'm obviously missing a good
portion of information because the documentation absolutely sucks.

Frown


On 2/28/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

The important thing to remember about the drake is that he gets fewer
attacks than you do. so, you need to make fewer count. Thus, shrinking 
him
with a mage is always a good plan, as are using slow scrolls on him 
while
using haste scrolls on yourself. Confusion scrolls also help sinse he'll 
be

attacking himself some of the time, as do web and paralize scrolls for
obvious reasons.

Also, with a melee setup like the one you've got, your probably best off
aiming at the drakes' abdomin

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark
Indeed Bryan, go for the necro first. usually, If I've got a necro on my own 
side I find iceblasts to the head do very well against the king, and can put 
him down very quickly,  as can using chalm and then watching him chop up 
his comrades. Druids are also good sinse high level lightening can hit 
multiple targits, provided you stop using it when someone is down to prevent 
raising their corpse as a zombi, several lightning blasts can usually bring 
the king and his merry bnd to their knee to th point wher it's only necesry 
to knok afew more of them out.


hm, your making me want to strt another run now myself ;D.

Bware the grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
I've had that happen to me quite a few times. I've gotten there without 
finding a single scroll period once or twice, much less any of the ones that 
work. So in a way my argument does stand.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


As I've said on the entombed list here Bryan, I'm afraid I don't agree on 
this point. Now that the drake is more vulnerable to magic from scrolls, 
any of a number,  including confusion, slow, curse paralize or web 
will do, not to mention haste, empowerment, focus or enlightenment for 
your party (which all increase damage and accuracy).


I don't think I've ever got to the drake without having one or other of 
these,  often bought from the general store.


Then, there is always shrink and knock down. In fact, the way I defeated 
the drake in 2.41, in possibly one of his nastiest encarnations was having 
an ogre brawler who alternated betwene bash,  which meant the drake 
was spending half his turns standing up, and grapple (which admittedly is 
only possible either with an ogre, or with a shrunken drake).


This worked,  allthough I lost all the rest of my party apart from my 
pet at the time,  and the current drake is a great deal easier than at 
that point.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. 
That sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the 
Drake at least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck 
than on skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of 
the more useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't 
have a Mage to shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you 
could be screwed since there's really no way to protect against the 
Drake's attacks. It's perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with his 
physical attacks if he happens to hit your torso or head, which I've 
noticed he does more often than not. And if you get really unlucky and 
he's blocking the stairs you're basically out of luck.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
handedly whiped my party out.
So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
explains something in detail?
One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
to provide some documentation for the game. I keep trying to look
something up only to get the message that this or that is not
available yet. Well, if he wants to sell the game Jason is going to
have to write some detailed documentation or get someone who is a
skilled player to write it. I'm growing sick and tired of not having a
manual for the game. I'm of half a mind to write him personally and
ask him to hurry up and write the manual so I have something to refer
too.I should not have to ask the list how to target a body part,
because the so-called documentation doesn't bother to mention it.
Needless to say I'm a bit ticked off that I'm obviously missing a good
portion of information because the documentation absolutely sucks.

Frown


On 2/28/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark

Well maybe the dungeon gods just like me! ;D.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I've had that happen to me quite a few times. I've gotten there without 
finding a single scroll period once or twice, much less any of the ones 
that work. So in a way my argument does stand.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


As I've said on the entombed list here Bryan, I'm afraid I don't agree on 
this point. Now that the drake is more vulnerable to magic from scrolls, 
any of a number,  including confusion, slow, curse paralize or web 
will do, not to mention haste, empowerment, focus or enlightenment for 
your party (which all increase damage and accuracy).


I don't think I've ever got to the drake without having one or other of 
these,  often bought from the general store.


Then, there is always shrink and knock down. In fact, the way I defeated 
the drake in 2.41, in possibly one of his nastiest encarnations was 
having an ogre brawler who alternated betwene bash,  which meant the 
drake was spending half his turns standing up, and grapple (which 
admittedly is only possible either with an ogre, or with a shrunken 
drake).


This worked,  allthough I lost all the rest of my party apart from my 
pet at the time,  and the current drake is a great deal easier than 
at that point.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. 
That sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the 
Drake at least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck 
than on skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of 
the more useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't 
have a Mage to shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you 
could be screwed since there's really no way to protect against the 
Drake's attacks. It's perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with 
his physical attacks if he happens to hit your torso or head, which I've 
noticed he does more often than not. And if you get really unlucky and 
he's blocking the stairs you're basically out of luck.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
handedly whiped my party out.
So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
explains something in detail?
One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
to provide some documentation for the game. I keep trying to look
something up only to get the message that this or that is not
available yet. Well, if he wants to sell the game Jason is going to
have to write some detailed documentation or get someone who is a
skilled player to write it. I'm growing sick and tired of not having a
manual for the game. I'm of half a mind to write him personally and
ask him to hurry up and write the manual so I have something to refer
too.I should not have

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Dark,
How dare you say that the dungeon gods favor you? Remember--The gods do not
find favor with anyone trespassing on their territory. Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:28 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Well maybe the dungeon gods just like me! ;D.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I've had that happen to me quite a few times. I've gotten there without 
 finding a single scroll period once or twice, much less any of the ones 
 that work. So in a way my argument does stand.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 As I've said on the entombed list here Bryan, I'm afraid I don't agree on

 this point. Now that the drake is more vulnerable to magic from scrolls, 
 any of a number,  including confusion, slow, curse paralize or web 
 will do, not to mention haste, empowerment, focus or enlightenment for 
 your party (which all increase damage and accuracy).

 I don't think I've ever got to the drake without having one or other of 
 these,  often bought from the general store.

 Then, there is always shrink and knock down. In fact, the way I defeated 
 the drake in 2.41, in possibly one of his nastiest encarnations was 
 having an ogre brawler who alternated betwene bash,  which meant the 
 drake was spending half his turns standing up, and grapple (which 
 admittedly is only possible either with an ogre, or with a shrunken 
 drake).

 This worked,  allthough I lost all the rest of my party apart from my

 pet at the time,  and the current drake is a great deal easier than 
 at that point.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. 
 That sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the 
 Drake at least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck 
 than on skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of 
 the more useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't 
 have a Mage to shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you 
 could be screwed since there's really no way to protect against the 
 Drake's attacks. It's perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with 
 his physical attacks if he happens to hit your torso or head, which I've

 noticed he does more often than not. And if you get really unlucky and 
 he's blocking the stairs you're basically out of luck.
 Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
 pizza?
 Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
 here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
 The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
 seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
 sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
 the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
 Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
 to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
 find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
 good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
 the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
 handedly whiped my party out.
 So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
 designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
 playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
 to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
 slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
 complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
 so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
 explains something in detail?
 One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
 to provide some

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Hayden Presley
Definitely the major complication with the Goblin King Battle is the sheer
number of power opponents you have to fight. Ok, so four isn't exactly a
shere number, but if you factor in their abilities and some of their
equipment you have a killer force to wreckon with. It took me  at least 3
times before I got lucky enough to finish them off.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the 
Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time 
you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage 
it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have that 
ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer. 
One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer is

to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The 
skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they can 
take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to 
focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
 I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
 answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
 school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
 user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
 the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
 Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
 there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
 three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
 However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
 work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
 especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
 some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
 certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
 weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
 didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
 suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
 a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
 does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
 much the same as not having it in my book.
 Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
 love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
 making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
 whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
 the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
 that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
 my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
 just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
 lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
 yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
 butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
 I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
 new player mistakes.


 Cheers!


 On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with 
 docs
 are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
 possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in 
 (I
 well might do so myself).

 As for your difficulties, well mages have the ability to shrink, which is

 a
 start against the drake. It is true jason has tweaked the system so that
 decent and good items are found further down, but you should be finding
 scrolls in the shop unless Jason has indeed removed some of those in the
 demo version of the game.

 There was a point where Jason upped the difficulty a trifle too far, 
 (where
 the drake was near impossible), but I'd say it's about there now, ie,
 difficult but possible.

 If however some scrolls are missing in the demo, that might indeed change
 the balance particularly of the drake battle, which would be 
 inconvenient.

 While I agree about lack of documentation,  heck, I was on the 
 private
 alpha team and there are stil some things I'd like clarrified

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
As for the General Store in Twilight town it's the seme for me, and I have
bought the game. It's ridiculous in that sometimes I can't even find a
healing potion in there, and now that you start withnone and seldom find
any, it's extremely arguous when one or the other of your party has this or
that limb mangled.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:22 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Oh no, you can find them in the demo, but it's extremely hit and miss. That 
sort of thing is why I remain firmly convinced that defeating the Drake at 
least, even if not the other bosses, is based far more on luck than on 
skill. There's absolutely no guarantee that you'll find any of the more 
useful scrolls before you get to the Drake, and if you don't have a Mage to 
shrink him, which in any case doesn't always work, you could be screwed 
since there's really no way to protect against the Drake's attacks. It's 
perfectly possible for him to one-shot you with his physical attacks if he 
happens to hit your torso or head, which I've noticed he does more often 
than not. And if you get really unlucky and he's blocking the stairs you're 
basically out of luck.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Well, one of the problems is I'm not finding any scrolls like that
 here. I once found a curse scroll, and a shrink scroll but that is it.
 The general store in Twilight Town absolutely sucks. All I've ever
 seen there is poor and dubious quality weapons, and now and then a
 sspell scroll. Other than that it is basically a useless feature of
 the game. I wonder if my problem is that I'm playing the demo and
 Jason has intentionally removed certain weapons, scrolls, etc required
 to play the game effectively, or Jason is intentionally forcing you to
 find this stuff at random. If so I'm not having a lot of luck finding
 good equipment and scrolls to use against the Drake, or even against
 the Goblin King for that matter. In my last battle he almost single
 handedly whiped my party out.
 So to be completely honest here while I do like the game it isn't
 designed for a new player at all. I'm having extreme difficulty
 playing it, and I'm growing extremely frustrated with it. I would like
 to see the game be better balanced and some of these enemies made
 slightly easier. That's coming from someone who normally doesn't
 complain about a game being difficult, but I find Entombed insanely
 so. Perhaps someone could write a manual or strat guide that actually
 explains something in detail?
 One of the reasons I haven't purchased the game is I think Jason needs
 to provide some documentation for the game. I keep trying to look
 something up only to get the message that this or that is not
 available yet. Well, if he wants to sell the game Jason is going to
 have to write some detailed documentation or get someone who is a
 skilled player to write it. I'm growing sick and tired of not having a
 manual for the game. I'm of half a mind to write him personally and
 ask him to hurry up and write the manual so I have something to refer
 too.I should not have to ask the list how to target a body part,
 because the so-called documentation doesn't bother to mention it.
 Needless to say I'm a bit ticked off that I'm obviously missing a good
 portion of information because the documentation absolutely sucks.

 Frown


 On 2/28/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 The important thing to remember about the drake is that he gets fewer
 attacks than you do. so, you need to make fewer count. Thus, shrinking 
 him
 with a mage is always a good plan, as are using slow scrolls on him while
 using haste scrolls on yourself. Confusion scrolls also help sinse he'll 
 be
 attacking himself some of the time, as do web and paralize scrolls for
 obvious reasons.

 Also, with a melee setup like the one you've got, your probably best off
 aiming at the drakes' abdomin or neck, sinse the drake can suffer 
 manglement
 in either place with enough damage.

 Lastly, remember that for every technique you use there's a price, sinse
 every technique has a much longer cool down time than normal fight 
 commands.
 Thus, doing a flurry or multishot should be thought about carefully,
 particularly if you combine it with something like sneak attack to do 
 extra
 damage.

 Lastly, remember the importance of passive skills like duel ield and (for
 certain classes), crytical hits.

 I've defeated the drake at level 7 with various party setups, bu have 
 always
 needed to use scrolls

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yeah, but the king is the one who generally causes the most damage outright. 
The Necromancer is dangerous because he has Ice Blast and then the Summon 
Bones spell. I tend to take out the Necro first, then either the Trickster 
or Shaman or sometimes even the King himself. But I always take out the 
Necro first to make sure nobody else can get resurrected since skeletons, 
apart from often being able to inflict at least as much damage as they did 
in life, can take even more of a beating.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Definitely the major complication with the Goblin King Battle is the sheer
number of power opponents you have to fight. Ok, so four isn't exactly a
shere number, but if you factor in their abilities and some of their
equipment you have a killer force to wreckon with. It took me  at least 3
times before I got lucky enough to finish them off.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

The Gobblin King is one reason I like to have a Mage in my party for the
Shrink spell, which you should be able to max out quite easily by the time
you get there. Since the Gobblin King generally inflicts the most damage
it's a good idea to shrink him or even Charm him if you happen to have 
that

ability. I wouldn't take him out first if only because of the Necromancer.
One common strategy when dealing with a party that includes a Necromancer 
is


to take out the Necro first since then he can't resurrect anybody. The
skeletons often do at least as much damage as they did in life and they 
can

take much more of a beating. I'd take out the Necro first and then try to
focus on the king since he generally causes the most damage.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Well, I do appreciate the game, and the scope of complexity. However,
I am very frustrated with the fact that I can't get my questions
answered or clarified by reading the documentation. I'm of an old
school opinion that if you sell something you must provide the end
user with quality documentation, and  give them an overview of all of
the game's features. For this reason I feel as though Jason rushed
Entombed to final production without completing the documentation and
there are still bugs that could be fixed. I've had the game crash
three or four times while playing that certainly wasn't cool.
However, I am glad Jason is aware of the problem, and has plans to
work on the documentation. It is something I feel is needed,
especially for a new user like me, and hope he is willing to go into
some detail. I'd like to see the advantages and disadvantages of
certain races and jobs. I'd like to see a weapons list of what kind of
weapons are in the game, quality, and what certain scrolls do. I
didn't use certain scrolls simply because I didn't know what they were
suppose to do, or when to use them. It is kind of confusing having say
a level 4 focus scroll in your inventory and having no clue what it
does, when to use it, and so on. Not knowing how to use it is pretty
much the same as not having it in my book.
Anyway, I'm admitedly in something of a crabby mood. I actually do
love the game, but I'd like to know how to play it. I'm tired of
making it to say the Goblin King and having my entire party completely
whiped out in a couple of combat turns against the Goblin King. I like
the challenge, but it would be nice to have an idea how to play so
that doesn't happen. Yeah, maybe loose one or two people, but to have
my entire party chopped up like roast beaf is not too cool at all.I
just feel at times like that I am not a good player, or that I'm
lacking some vital information that more experienced players such as
yourself have. When I here players saying they kicked the Drake's
butt, he is pretty easy, I'm feeling inaduquit to play the game. Like
I can't play the game right, and I'm probably making lots of stupid
new player mistakes.


Cheers!


On 3/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi Tom.

Well, jason has stated that now that the last few bugs are dealt with
docs
are next on the list, pluss, sinse the docs are a wiki, apparently it's
possible for anyone to contribute by creating an account and loguing in
(I
well might do so myself).

As for your

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark
people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down in 
virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king can be 
dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things such as 
chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on getting 
fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always concentrate on duel 
wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on getting a good pare of 
those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk goes down like a tonne of 
bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, for 
mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if it's 
the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves to 
screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.


Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at level 
6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at four. 
Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the skill 
combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort and 
crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), and 
crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical hits 
skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee 
classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 5 
character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.


usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, thus 
in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for specific 
functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of skills 
to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and be 
even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really 
doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.


Beware the grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Dark,
About that--I don't even know why they have a Kobold Trickster, he's
probably the easiest I have ever found in that battle. So much for royal.
Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:03 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down in 
virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king can be 
dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things such as 
chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on getting 
fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always concentrate on duel 
wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on getting a good pare of 
those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk goes down like a tonne of

bricks.

For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, for

mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if it's 
the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves to 
screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at level 
6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at four. 
Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the skill 
combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort and 
crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), and 
crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical hits 
skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee 
classes).

For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 5 
character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, thus 
in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for specific 
functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of skills

to play with.

This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and be 
even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really 
doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.

Beware the grue!

Dark. 


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I can 
up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal and 
harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the time I 
get down to level 25.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down 
in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king can 
be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things such 
as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk 
goes down like a tonne of bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, 
for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if 
it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves to 
screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.


Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort 
and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), 
and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical 
hits skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee 
classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 5 
character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.


usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, thus 
in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for specific 
functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of 
skills to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and be 
even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really 
doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Hayden Presley
And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the Drake
liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they never
hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in such
good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I can

up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal and 
harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the time I 
get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
 surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down 
 in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king can

 be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things such

 as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on 
 getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
 concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
 getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk 
 goes down like a tonne of bricks.

 For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, 
 for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if 
 it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
 lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves to

 screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

 Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
 level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
 four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
 skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort 
 and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), 
 and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical 
 hits skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee 
 classes).

 For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
 favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 5

 character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

 usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, thus

 in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for specific

 functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of 
 skills to play with.

 This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
 sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and be

 even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really 
 doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread dark
I never find grow that helpful to be honest, other than occasionally being 
able to knock people over,  and there are generally more efficient ways 
of doing that.


Beware the grue!

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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I 
can up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal and 
harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the time I 
get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down 
in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king 
can be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things 
such as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate 
on getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always 
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on 
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk 
goes down like a tonne of bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, 
for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if 
it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves 
to screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.


Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort 
and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords), 
and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical 
hits skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee 
classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 
5 character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly 
two.


usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
thus in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for 
specific functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six 
sets of skills to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and 
be even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it 
really doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
It seems to depend on which one starts the combination process. if 
Earthquake initiates it you can do some major damage with Ice Blast. But 
even if you defeat Catastrophy in combined form you still have to defeat 
each elemental. Luckily the damage inflicted to the Catastrophy form does 
carry over to the individuals. So if you can defeat Catastrophy chances are 
when he breaks up it won't take much to bring down the individuals.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:32 PM
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And I have another problem, and believe me  when I say it makes the Drake
liok like a Joke. How in the world do  you get passed those blasted
elementals on Level 13? It helps when they form catastrophy, but they 
never

hold that form long enough. Then I eefeat them with all but one of my
characters like so much chopped liver and any left are...well, not in such
good shape.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I 
can


up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal 
and

harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the time I
get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down
in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king 
can


be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun things 
such



as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to concentrate on
getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll always
concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee on
getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 the gk
goes down like a tonne of bricks.

For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority,
for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if
it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves 
to



screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.

Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery multishort
and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually short swords),
and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job with the critical
hits skill in the full version is a favourite complement of mine to melee
classes).

For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 
5



character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly two.

usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
thus


in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for 
specific



functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six sets of
skills to play with.

This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways,
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and 
be



even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it really
doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.

Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-03-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
I don't use it much either to be honest, which is why I usually don't even 
bother to assign points to it.

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From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I never find grow that helpful to be honest, other than occasionally being 
able to knock people over,  and there are generally more efficient ways 
of doing that.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I combine FIghter and Assassin with my main whenever possible and then I 
can up Sneak Attack, Dual Wield, Short Swords and Critical Hit. FOr Necros 
obviously Ice Blast, for Mages Grow and Shrink and for Healers the Heal 
and harm spells. All those are usually maxed out or close to it by the 
time I get down to level 25.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


people will probably kill me for saying so, but I've found this a 
surprisingly easy battle. Everyone bar the goblin king himself goes down 
in virtually one sneak attack or a decent blast of magic, and the king 
can be dealt with by targiting his noggin,  that's failing fun 
things such as chalming him of course! Maybe it's because I tend to 
concentrate on getting fewer skills up higher. thus, for a fighter I'll 
always concentrate on duel wield and short swords (sinse I can guarantee 
on getting a good pare of those if nothing else), and with those at 5 
the gk goes down like a tonne of bricks.


For thieves or assassins I make sneak attack or crytical hit a priority, 
for mages shrink, and for necros ice blast. Harm or firebalt I'll use if 
it's the best offense that character combo has,  though iceblast and 
lightning I've found to be more effective, and I'll always go for moves 
to screw up the opponent such as chalm or some of the bard skills.


Thus, when I fight the king I can guarantee that my two characters at 
level 6 will have either one skill of five and one of three, or two at 
four. Occasially I'll go for three skills at three, but only when the 
skill combination is especially complimentary, such as archery 
multishort and crytical hits, or duel wield, a weapon skill (usually 
short swords), and crytical hits (as you can guess, the assassin job 
with the critical hits skill in the full version is a favourite 
complement of mine to melee classes).


For jobs with more unique abilities like mages I tend to just pick a 
favourite couple and work on those, --- on this basis even my level 4 or 
5 character will probably have at least one good skill,  possibly 
two.


usually, skills don't become useful until their at least level three, 
thus in entombed it really does pay to have specialized characters for 
specific functions,  one reason the game effectively gives you six 
sets of skills to play with.


This is of course, just the stratogy I use, and there may be other ways, 
sinse the game is a complex one,  but where as normally I'd try and 
be even handed with skills in an rpg game, in entombed I've found it 
really doesn't pay, and specialization is the key to winning.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Hello Thomas,
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Now, this is the technique I use. If your necro's swords did 50 damage, then 
you could kill him.

But if it does 100 dammage, you could kill him in two hits.
So 50 4, and 100 2.

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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Its 8 on the numberwro to target the head.

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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Richard,
that's some very valuable information. However, how exactly to you
target a specific part of the body. Every time I play it seams like
the game picks a body part at random. If there is a specific way to
turn the random attack off and give me the choice of head, body, legs,
hands, whatever please let me know. I've been wondering if there was a
more inteligent way of targeting and directing my attacks to do the
most damage and the most good against any enemy let alone the Drake.

Thanks.


On 2/27/10, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
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Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work 
really
well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on 
the

drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off.
Sure someone else will elaborate.

The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out
less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on
certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level 
of

the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They
will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always
dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the
battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton
handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a
limited time effect.

Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and
haste come to mind.

Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too
much afterwards.

Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable
spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher
probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely 
do

some damage.

Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try
again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you 
have

more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

HTH.

rich
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From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

The important thing to remember about the drake is that he gets fewer 
attacks than you do. so, you need to make fewer count. Thus, shrinking him 
with a mage is always a good plan, as are using slow scrolls on him while 
using haste scrolls on yourself. Confusion scrolls also help sinse he'll be 
attacking himself some of the time, as do web and paralize scrolls for 
obvious reasons.


Also, with a melee setup like the one you've got, your probably best off 
aiming at the drakes' abdomin or neck, sinse the drake can suffer manglement 
in either place with enough damage.


Lastly, remember that for every technique you use there's a price, sinse 
every technique has a much longer cool down time than normal fight commands. 
Thus, doing a flurry or multishot should be thought about carefully, 
particularly if you combine it with something like sneak attack to do extra 
damage.


Lastly, remember the importance of passive skills like duel ield and (for 
certain classes), crytical hits.


I've defeated the drake at level 7 with various party setups, bu have always 
needed to use scrolls etc to tweak the odds.


Hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark
Actually richard, sinse the recent upgrade, the drake is much more 
subseptable to magic. it stil cannot be chalmed, however every other spell 
works exceptionally well including confuse, slow, paralize, web, curse and 
shrink,  all of which could be handy.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi,

Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
s
p
o
i
l
e
r
s
p
a
c
e


Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work really
well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on the
drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off.
Sure someone else will elaborate.

The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out
less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on
certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level of
the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They
will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always
dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the
battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton
handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a
limited time effect.

Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and
haste come to mind.

Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too
much afterwards.

Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable
spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher
probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely 
do

some damage.

Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try
again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you 
have

more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

HTH.

rich
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark

Hi tom.

Hold down the numbers either on the numbpad or row when launching an attack 
or spell. 1 for lower left side, 3 for lower right, 4 for upper left, 6 
upper right, 5 for center of body and 8 for head and kneck.


Be warned though, that targiting increases your chance to miss with melee 
attacks, and not everything can be targited, though can be very satisfying 
when your sending heads flying!


It's also the best way of using the heal spell, by targiting it to a 
specific body part.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Richard,
that's some very valuable information. However, how exactly to you
target a specific part of the body. Every time I play it seams like
the game picks a body part at random. If there is a specific way to
turn the random attack off and give me the choice of head, body, legs,
hands, whatever please let me know. I've been wondering if there was a
more inteligent way of targeting and directing my attacks to do the
most damage and the most good against any enemy let alone the Drake.

Thanks.


On 2/27/10, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
s
p
o
i
l
e
r
s
p
a
c
e


Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work 
really
well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on 
the

drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off.
Sure someone else will elaborate.

The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out
less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on
certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level 
of

the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They
will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always
dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the
battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton
handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a
limited time effect.

Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and
haste come to mind.

Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too
much afterwards.

Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable
spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher
probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely 
do

some damage.

Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try
again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you 
have

more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

HTH.

rich
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark

I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.


The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
paladin.


there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use scrolls 
strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try 
using the same move constantly!


(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and one 
to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
with int and other increases.

scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you 
are a ogar.

you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at 
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
would work.

the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Ron Schamerhorn
Hi

  I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of 
races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler 
which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to 
do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came 
back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can win, 
though not always an easy one.

Ron
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use scrolls
strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and one
to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark
Agreed Ron, I've only once bypassed a battle and gone back, and that was 
against some truly evil quest orcs on the 5th floor,  certainly not 
against the drake or the goblin king.


To prove how tough said orcs were,  I actually couldn't defeat them 
until i'd got to floor 12, even though I had a go after defeating the Goblin 
king, and after defeating the drake.



Other than that, I've always gone on a basis of kill everything on current 
floor, then move on, drake included.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi

 I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of
races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler
which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to
do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came
back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can 
win,

though not always an easy one.

Ron
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
scrolls

strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
one

to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
with int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
are a ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
would work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
I have discovered something. I really, really, really really hate those
hobgoblins! Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Agreed Ron, I've only once bypassed a battle and gone back, and that was 
against some truly evil quest orcs on the 5th floor,  certainly not 
against the drake or the goblin king.

To prove how tough said orcs were,  I actually couldn't defeat them 
until i'd got to floor 12, even though I had a go after defeating the Goblin

king, and after defeating the drake.


Other than that, I've always gone on a basis of kill everything on current 
floor, then move on, drake included.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi

  I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of
 races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler
 which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to
 do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came
 back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can 
 win,
 though not always an easy one.

 Ron
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Dark,
Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra character
by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I have
grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really had
todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use scrolls 
strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try 
using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and one 
to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you 
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at 
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Ron Schamerhorn
If you think those are nasty just wait untill a floor or two down. *evil 
chuckle*
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I have discovered something. I really, really, really really hate those
hobgoblins! Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Agreed Ron, I've only once bypassed a battle and gone back, and that was
against some truly evil quest orcs on the 5th floor,  certainly not
against the drake or the goblin king.

To prove how tough said orcs were,  I actually couldn't defeat them
until i'd got to floor 12, even though I had a go after defeating the Goblin

king, and after defeating the drake.


Other than that, I've always gone on a basis of kill everything on current
floor, then move on, drake included.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi

  I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of
 races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler
 which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to
 do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came
 back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can
 win,
 though not always an easy one.

 Ron
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark
You should rescue two more characters, one on the second and one on the 
sixth floor. If your decending  so quick your missing those, your probably 
not levelled up high enough to take on the drake anyway, sinse the levels 
and xp system in the game has been carefully balanced out on the basis of 
exploring the entire floor before going down.


hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra 
character
by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I 
have
grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really 
had

todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
scrolls

strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
one

to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
with int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
are a ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
would work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Ah, There is always one on both of those? Great, as for the one on the sixth
floor I haven't gotten to that one yet. Does it matter if you go to the
Abandoned Mine Works are the Goblin Stronghold?
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

You should rescue two more characters, one on the second and one on the 
sixth floor. If your decending  so quick your missing those, your probably 
not levelled up high enough to take on the drake anyway, sinse the levels 
and xp system in the game has been carefully balanced out on the basis of 
exploring the entire floor before going down.

hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra 
 character
 by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I 
 have
 grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really 
 had
 todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
 and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of dark
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Ron,
Real confidence booster you have there. Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

If you think those are nasty just wait untill a floor or two down. *evil 
chuckle*
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I have discovered something. I really, really, really really hate those
hobgoblins! Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Agreed Ron, I've only once bypassed a battle and gone back, and that was
against some truly evil quest orcs on the 5th floor,  certainly not
against the drake or the goblin king.

To prove how tough said orcs were,  I actually couldn't defeat them
until i'd got to floor 12, even though I had a go after defeating the Goblin

king, and after defeating the drake.


Other than that, I've always gone on a basis of kill everything on current
floor, then move on, drake included.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi

  I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of
 races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler
 which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to
 do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came
 back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can
 win,
 though not always an easy one.

 Ron
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Milos Przic
  And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy, 
but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very 
interested...

 Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.


The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
paladin.


there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't 
just try using the same move constantly!


(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
with int and other increases.

scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you 
are a ogar.

you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at 
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
would work.

the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
The paladin is already available if you have the full version. Otherwise you
simply don't have it.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Milos Przic
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:21 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

   And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy, 
but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very 
interested...
  Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
 scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't 
 just try using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
 one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you

 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at

 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Ron Schamerhorn
Hi Hayden

  It seems to me that if your group makes it past the drake then you are in 
good shape.  My present game which I've reloaded numerous times has troubles 
with what's found on the 25th floor.  I'f I were only paid by the hour of 
playing.  I'd be rich!

- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Hi Ron,
Real confidence booster you have there. Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

If you think those are nasty just wait untill a floor or two down. *evil
chuckle*
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I have discovered something. I really, really, really really hate those
hobgoblins! Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Agreed Ron, I've only once bypassed a battle and gone back, and that was
against some truly evil quest orcs on the 5th floor,  certainly not
against the drake or the goblin king.

To prove how tough said orcs were,  I actually couldn't defeat them
until i'd got to floor 12, even though I had a go after defeating the Goblin

king, and after defeating the drake.


Other than that, I've always gone on a basis of kill everything on current
floor, then move on, drake included.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi

  I'll agree, I've beaten the Drake many times and with various combos of
 races and jobs.  Most recently I had the Drake grappled by my ogre brawler
 which made for some easy pickings.  I dislike some views of oh you have to
 do it this way.  Also I've never went past the Drake for more XP and came
 back.  I've always taken it out on the way down.  It's a battle you can
 win,
 though not always an easy one.

 Ron
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Ron Schamerhorn
Hi Hayden

  You should find the forth party member on either floor.

- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Ah, There is always one on both of those? Great, as for the one on the sixth
floor I haven't gotten to that one yet. Does it matter if you go to the
Abandoned Mine Works are the Goblin Stronghold?
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

You should rescue two more characters, one on the second and one on the
sixth floor. If your decending  so quick your missing those, your probably
not levelled up high enough to take on the drake anyway, sinse the levels
and xp system in the game has been carefully balanced out on the basis of
exploring the entire floor before going down.

hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra
 character
 by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I
 have
 grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really
 had
 todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
 and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of dark
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Bryan Peterson

Actually it's the fifth floor, not the sixth.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Ah, There is always one on both of those? Great, as for the one on the 
sixth

floor I haven't gotten to that one yet. Does it matter if you go to the
Abandoned Mine Works are the Goblin Stronghold?
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

You should rescue two more characters, one on the second and one on the
sixth floor. If your decending  so quick your missing those, your probably
not levelled up high enough to take on the drake anyway, sinse the levels
and xp system in the game has been carefully balanced out on the basis of
exploring the entire floor before going down.

hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra
character
by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I
have
grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really
had
todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
Sean.


I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
scrolls
strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
one
to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
with int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
you

are a ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
at

level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
would work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Bryan Peterson
Nope, the Paladin's not an unlockable, but like the Assassin it isn't in the 
demo. Personally I'm not that impressed with the Paladin's abilities.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


  And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy, 
but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very 
interested...

 Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
Sean.


I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.


The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
paladin.


there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't 
just try using the same move constantly!


(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
with int and other increases.

scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
you are a ogar.

you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
at level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
would work.

the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread shaun everiss
yeah.
I havn't found all the ways yet.
I can do it eventually with a drewid if I get the right items with the extra 
points and int etc.
over that though I need the full version which I have not got right now.
At 01:54 a.m. 1/03/2010, you wrote:
I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, bards, 
rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use scrolls 
strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try using 
the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and one to 
pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality with 
int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you are 
a ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at 
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers would 
work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Nor am I, and then the Druid for me isn't all that either. Right now, I have
my main character, a mail human Monk  Bard, a mail wolf (my pet of course),
2 gnomes, one a Monk Healer, and the other a Fighter Necromancer, as well as
the skeleton of the Royal Goblin Shaman. The equipment you get from
defeating the Goblin king is always helpful as well.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:04 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Nope, the Paladin's not an unlockable, but like the Assassin it isn't in the

demo. Personally I'm not that impressed with the Paladin's abilities.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


   And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy, 
 but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very 
 interested...
  Milos Przic
 msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
 skype: Milosh-hs
 - Original Message - 
 From: dark d...@xgam.org
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
 Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
 scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't 
 just try using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
 one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality

 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
 you are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
 at level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Bryan,
That's what I  thought, as I foudd the second gnome in my party on that
floor, and not the sixth.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:03 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Actually it's the fifth floor, not the sixth.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Ah, There is always one on both of those? Great, as for the one on the 
 sixth
 floor I haven't gotten to that one yet. Does it matter if you go to the
 Abandoned Mine Works are the Goblin Stronghold?
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of dark
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 You should rescue two more characters, one on the second and one on the
 sixth floor. If your decending  so quick your missing those, your probably
 not levelled up high enough to take on the drake anyway, sinse the levels
 and xp system in the game has been carefully balanced out on the basis of
 exploring the entire floor before going down.

 hth.

 Beware the Grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 Hi Dark,
 Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra
 character
 by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I
 have
 grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really
 had
 todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
 and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of dark
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

 I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
 Sean.

 I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
 bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

 The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
 paladin.

 there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
 scrolls
 strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
 using the same move constantly!

 (I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
 one
 to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.
 - Original Message - 
 From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


 no not the drake.
 Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
 its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
 with int and other increases.
 scroles work on him to.
 The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
 you
 are a ogar.
 you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
 one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
 grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
 at
 level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
 I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
 would work.
 the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

 I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
 maybe.
 At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread Bryan Peterson
My favorite combination is the Fighter/Assassin. The FIghter can use plate 
armor (although I suppose the Assassin can also), but the Fighter also has 
the most Ability Points.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Nor am I, and then the Druid for me isn't all that either. Right now, I 
have
my main character, a mail human Monk  Bard, a mail wolf (my pet of 
course),
2 gnomes, one a Monk Healer, and the other a Fighter Necromancer, as well 
as

the skeleton of the Royal Goblin Shaman. The equipment you get from
defeating the Goblin king is always helpful as well.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:04 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Nope, the Paladin's not an unlockable, but like the Assassin it isn't in 
the


demo. Personally I'm not that impressed with the Paladin's abilities.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



  And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy,
but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very
interested...
 Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake
Sean.

I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't
just try using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever 
quality



with int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if
you are a ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs
at level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
would work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark

not at all, either way you'll find the character on the fifth floor.

hth.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Ah, There is always one on both of those? Great, as for the one on the 
sixth

floor I haven't gotten to that one yet. Does it matter if you go to the
Abandoned Mine Works are the Goblin Stronghold?
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

You should rescue two more characters, one on the second and one on the
sixth floor. If your decending  so quick your missing those, your probably
not levelled up high enough to take on the drake anyway, sinse the levels
and xp system in the game has been carefully balanced out on the basis of
exploring the entire floor before going down.

hth.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Dark,
Good strategy...butyou never seem to get any more  than one extra
character
by floor 6, which is the fartherest I have yet  descended. I must say I
have
grown to appreciate the increased challenge, in the Alpha all you really
had
todo was become an Oger fighter and try once or twice to defeat the Drake
and that was all. Now you have to...experiment.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:55 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
Sean.


I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins,
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.

The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and
paladin.

there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use
scrolls
strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't just try
using the same move constantly!

(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and
one
to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).

Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality
with int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
you

are a ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
at

level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers
would work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down

Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark

the paladin is one of those jobs only available in the full version.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


  And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy, 
but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very 
interested...

 Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
Sean.


I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.


The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
paladin.


there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't 
just try using the same move constantly!


(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
with int and other increases.

scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
you are a ogar.

you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
at level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
would work.

the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-28 Thread dark
I haven't really tried the paladin much yet, but I will say they make awsome 
skeletonal minians if you've got a necro..


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


Nope, the Paladin's not an unlockable, but like the Assassin it isn't in 
the demo. Personally I'm not that impressed with the Paladin's abilities.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
pizza?

Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


  And yes, the paladin? Is it also an unlockable? I am not a spoiler-guy, 
but I don't have the time to explore so much although I am very 
interested...

 Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skype: Milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.


I'm afraid I disagree that this is the only way of beating the drake 
Sean.


I've done it with parties of monks, mages, druids, fighters, assassins, 
bards, rangers and necros,  even parties with fairies.


The only jobs I really haven't got to grips with yet are barbarian and 
paladin.


there's no need really for a specific job or race, provided you use 
scrolls strategically, remember rules about special attacks, and don't 
just try using the same move constantly!


(I actually find it helpful to use two characters for offense only, and 
one to pass out the scrolls and healing potions).


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever 
quality with int and other increases.

scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if 
you are a ogar.

you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs 
at level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
would work.

the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread Richard Sherman
Hi,

Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
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p
o
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l
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r
s
p
a
c
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Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work really 
well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on the 
drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off. 
Sure someone else will elaborate.

The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out 
less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on 
certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level of 
the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They 
will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always 
dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the 
battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton 
handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a 
limited time effect.

Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and 
haste come to mind.

Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too 
much afterwards.

Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable 
spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher 
probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely do 
some damage.

Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try 
again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you have 
more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

HTH.

rich
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help? 


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Richard,
that's some very valuable information. However, how exactly to you
target a specific part of the body. Every time I play it seams like
the game picks a body part at random. If there is a specific way to
turn the random attack off and give me the choice of head, body, legs,
hands, whatever please let me know. I've been wondering if there was a
more inteligent way of targeting and directing my attacks to do the
most damage and the most good against any enemy let alone the Drake.

Thanks.


On 2/27/10, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
 s
 p
 o
 i
 l
 e
 r
 s
 p
 a
 c
 e


 Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work really
 well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on the
 drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off.
 Sure someone else will elaborate.

 The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out
 less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on
 certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level of
 the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They
 will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

 Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always
 dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the
 battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

 The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton
 handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a
 limited time effect.

 Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and
 haste come to mind.

 Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

 Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too
 much afterwards.

 Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable
 spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher
 probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely do
 some damage.

 Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try
 again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you have
 more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

 HTH.

 rich
 - Original Message -
 From: Thomas Ward
 Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


 Hi everyone,
 I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
 the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
 I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

 Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
 sword and the best armour I could find for her.
 Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
 staff and light armour/cloathing.
 Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
 legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
 don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
 and basically get chopped up in the process.
 Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
 Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
 was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
 Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
 ground to fight the Drake.

 As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
 kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
 dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
 and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
 missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
 up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
 floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
 roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread Henry D. Reyes

Good Day:

There is most definitely away to perform attacks which are targeted. If you 
have a keyboard with a keypad, imagine the number five as the center, or 
torso, of your enemy. In that case, the eight becomes the head, four and six 
become the arms or front paws, and one and three become the legs or back 
paws. To target an enemy, simply hold the appropriate number down while 
pressing enter on the action which you would like to perform. Also note that 
the numbers on the number row work just as well.


HTH:
Henry
Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the 
last.

Sherlock Holmes
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 17:53
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi Richard,
that's some very valuable information. However, how exactly to you
target a specific part of the body. Every time I play it seams like
the game picks a body part at random. If there is a specific way to
turn the random attack off and give me the choice of head, body, legs,
hands, whatever please let me know. I've been wondering if there was a
more inteligent way of targeting and directing my attacks to do the
most damage and the most good against any enemy let alone the Drake.

Thanks.


On 2/27/10, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Possible spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
s
p
o
i
l
e
r
s
p
a
c
e


Most magic does not work on the drake. There are a couple that work 
really
well. They are shrink, curse, and web. I think that slow also works on 
the

drake. There are a couple others, but cannot remember exactly right off.
Sure someone else will elaborate.

The shrink is special in that the drake takes more damage, and dishes out
less when shrunk. The shrink spell can be cast by mages, and found on
certain scrolls. But it only lasts a short time, depending on the level 
of

the spell. Or, make any of your party grow. Especially the fighters. They
will do quite a bit of damage when all grown up.

Curse is good in that the drake will receive maximum damage, while always
dishing out minimum damage. This spell lasts for the entire length of the
battle. The curse spell can only be cast from a scroll.

The web can only be cast by a scroll. Unless you have a spider skeleton
handy. it will make the drake immobile, and unable to move. This too is a
limited time effect.

Also, anything that strengthens your party is good. Enlighten, grow and
haste come to mind.

Ice blast also seems to do more damage than fire bolt.

Don't waste flurry on the drake. Your fighter will then stand around too
much afterwards.

Target the head. You might hit the neck also. This is the most vulnerable
spot on the drake. The only problem is that you have a slightly higher
probability of missing. But if your fighter connects, it will definitely 
do

some damage.

Save before battling the drake. If all fails, restart the game and try
again. Or, if possible, go past the drake and come back later when you 
have

more hp per character, or more powerful and appropriate scrolls.

HTH.

rich
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:30 PM


Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?


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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi  Thomas,
Something I did actually find funny about tht Drake is how even when it says
critically injured, it still takes quite awhile before you actually get
him.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:30 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread shaun everiss
no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality with 
int and other increases.
scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you are a 
ogar.
you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at 
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers would 
work.
the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread shaun everiss
well the neck is what you need to hit its the week point.
you will need multipul hits though.
At 02:41 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:
Hi  Thomas,
Something I did actually find funny about tht Drake is how even when it says
critically injured, it still takes quite awhile before you actually get
him.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:30 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread Bryan Peterson
I've noticed that very thing myself. I think I only defeated him because I 
got lucky. I had a Fighter/Assassin armed with the Gobblin King's twin short 
swords and wearing his breastplate, plus a Fairy Mage/Healer who got in a 
level 5 Shrink spell on the Drake while my Assassin/Fighter was hiding. I 
also had an Elf Necromancer/Healer who cast maxed Ice Blast. My Assassin hid 
the first round and then targetted the head the next opportunity he got. I 
just got lucky in that I did extreme damage to the neck. That's why I 
generally avoid the Drake if I can help it since winning that fight often 
seems to be based more on luck than skill because his magic resistance is so 
high.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.

2010-02-27 Thread Bryan Peterson

Actually it's the Guardians that you want clubs for.
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Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Need help fighting the Drake.



no not the drake.
Firstly swords don't cut the drake you need a club.
its probably a good idea to have swords or something of whatever quality 
with int and other increases.

scroles work on him to.
The only actual combo without all the new power transfer items are if you 
are a ogar.

you need a couple of clubs at about 14 or less dammage 9-14.
one should be grannet and both need to be of some stone.
grate clubs are prefured  and skill for duelwield max, and large clubs at 
level3 or 4 and flurry max or at level3 or more.
I wouldn't worry to much with armour though a couple rosewood bucklers 
would work.

the ogar has quite tough hide but thats how I did him in.

I may try as a drewed or necro with maxed iceblast and a few int items.
maybe.
At 12:30 p.m. 28/02/2010, you wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone here can give me some advice on defeating
the Drake on level 7. I can't get passed him no matter how many times
I try. Basically, here is what I have to work with.

Cassandra --- A human female fighter/necromancer equipt with a long
sword and the best armour I could find for her.
Alair --- a half-elf mail healer/Druid. He is armed with a blackwood
staff and light armour/cloathing.
Dara --- a female half-elf fighter/ranger with bronze armour,
legendary long swords, duel wield at 5, flurry 5, and basically you
don't want to mess with her because your likely to loose a head, arm,
and basically get chopped up in the process.
Lupercus -- My wolf companion.
Undead skeleton orc fighter/mage. He is under Cassandra's control and
was raised from the dead to help out in the battle.
Summoned Animal --- any bat, wolf, or rat I can summon to the battle
ground to fight the Drake.

As you can see I've got what I thought was a good party. I can really
kick the crap out of the Drake, but not enough to actually slay the
dragon. When he hits me with a fire attack everyone takes heavy damage
and most of my party members usually wind up dead with several limbs
missing. In the last major fight Casssandra lost a leg, arm, and ended
up dying after the Drake bit her head off, and then spit it out on the
floor. Its like impossible to take him down without being malled or
roasted to death. Any suggestions/help?

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