Re: [Audyssey] two things

2010-04-21 Thread dark
The ful version of haunted factory was available only by special download, so it's not even around anymore, I stil have a copy but haven't played it for a long time sinse it conflicts with Avg, also I'd rather not have it installing the now very old version of Klango, it used. Actually

Re: [Audyssey] horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
If I remember rightly it's just a case of hammering the right and left keys in a rythmm, rather than just hammering both as much as possible. Remmember Light tech was stil learning when they made thg, their games got better from then on, indeeed I've always been most impressed at

Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I must confess I was never a fan of ten pin alley myself. extremely lovely sounds and ambience,, but the game essentially boiled down to a basic press space in center jobby like bsc hearts or indeed Philip's example game for the bgt. A lot of the features like adding your name really didn't

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I must confess I do agreee, Now that I've got scansoft daniel, sapi for games, even highly complex ones like entombed or time of conflict works great. Then again it seems heavily dependent upon voice. That was one of the chief reasons the screen reader speech business got added to

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Actually Sapi and Hal let me do that pretty well, in fact I've quite often been known to flick Hal's voice back on, read E-mails then flick back to entombed and turn the voice off, especially if I come up against something wonky in the game. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
As I said Bryan, I've been doing this in Hal for ages, in games or indeed when watching dvd's sinse I can just flick Hal's voice off and use the standard power dvd shortcuts on my computer just like buttons on a standard dvd player without Hal providing any issues. It's probably okay when you

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
It's like I've said before. I wish I still had the file I created two years ago of the suicidal Microsoft Sam. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
I know. That's one of the biggest reasons I finally just dumped JAWS in favor of Window-Eyes. Granted I didn't know that then but now that I do... He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To:

Re: [Audyssey] two things

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Jaws is cool! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 21 April 2010 05:03 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing That's one thing I like about Window-Eyes. It can

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the comfigiration manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by hitting ault s then selecting that option. Then I could set it to go to sleep when I want it to. And I could set it not to go to sleep. -Original Message-

Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard
On the contrary. If you choose the most difficult skill level, the swinging and aiming method, and use the hook feature, it's not that easy to score high. It is no longer a simple pressing of the enter key. Timing and skill are factors. --- In God we trust. - Original Message -

[Audyssey] game recordings

2010-04-21 Thread ENES SARIBAŞ
hello thanks for the recordings! are there any more game recordings from independent sources --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at

[Audyssey] swing swing, and so what expert guitar. rock band 2.

2010-04-21 Thread Yohandy
Swing swing by all American Rejects: http://www.sendspace.com/file/rpljrx So what by Pink: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jtnfhb --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
You could also turn off hal by pressing the control and the 0 key. I haven't used hal for a while, because that was on my brothers win 98 desktop but no one uses that desktop anymore. That's why jaws is good, because you could do anything you want. I use to use hal back in when I was 9 or 8

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
i disagree about jaws. i love system access because it is the only program that will let you use julie which is a realistic voice. with sapi you can download paul which is a realistic voice. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Well that's a matter of personal opinion. I happen to not like JAWS because of how it monopolizes the keyboard, not to mention a whole host of other issues I could spend all day listing if I so chose but won't. I just happen to like how you can if necessarily leave Window-Eyes running while

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
See with Window-Eyes you don't even have to do that much, unless a keystroke in the game would conflict with a Window-Eyes keystroke. And it's easy to modify hotkeys so they don't interfere. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original

Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
I couldn't agree more. I've done that many times. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:44

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Window-Eyes lets you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones. JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS tech support to help you get that to work. That's another thing Inever liked about JAWS. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in

Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Unfortunately charlese, neither my trying of the demo nor the audio reviews I've heard have given me that impression at all to be honest, maybe if the game has got more complicated recently an audio review or more words about it would b good, sinse it just did seem to me to be a very

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Well obviously, the quality if your computer doesn't have anything to do with what screen reader your using at all. I first learnt It skills and typing on an absolutely horrible old monster of a thing running windows 3.1 with a copy of Hal version 3 on it. That machine locked up every session

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Well I think, you could create a function by jaws scripting. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 21 April 2010 17:50 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing See

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
I'm sure you could, but that's the point. You don't even have to do that with Window-Eyes. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list'

Re: [Audyssey] my rock band folder.

2010-04-21 Thread Yohandy
man that sucks. Got it for ps3 here. and I wanted to play you online too! oh well... - Original Message - From: joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my rock band folder. what

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan, Oh, don't get me started on Freedom Scientific tech support. Those guys are idiots. They have an extremely narrow view of the world that's for sure. I remember calling them about wanting to support the Dectalk 5 Software produced by Phonix. They are like, Why do you want to do that?

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yeah. And I bet if you asked them to help you configure a game you were developing to work with JAWS their response would be the same. JAWS wasn't meant to be used to play games! or somesuch nonsense. I'll freely admit I use Eloquence more than the other voices I have but only because it has

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's why they may of said that to you. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 21 April 2010 19:58 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re:

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Muhammed, As Bryan said earlier with Window-Eyes most of the time you don't even have to put the screen reader to sleep with most games. In fact, when I'm doing all of my testing I have Window-Eyes running in the background to catch any popup error messages etc while I'm playing. With Jaws 11

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
There was no need to be rude or condescending about it though. A company like that really needs pay more attention to their customers' wants and needs. That's probably why a lot of people who make the switch from JAWS do it in the first place. And there are things that, say, Window-Eyes does

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, No, it is just simply the fact ever since shipping Eloquence with Jaws they automatically assume that is what all of their customers will use or want to use. Plus for them to purchase the Phonix Dectalk 5 SDK and then write a Jaws driver for it would cost them money, and they don't want to do

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Hi Thomas, I thought this. Ring Jorje Bell and it should be fine. His a computer technition I think. He helps us with all of hour problems. Off cource if we really need help and he can't help, then we ring tech support. If they're like that, I'd like to prank call them, hehehe. -Original

[Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.

2010-04-21 Thread Allison Mervis
Hi everyone. I am among those who would love to see an accessible Oregon Trail game developed for windows. I remember hearing last year that Louis Bryant was working on porting over the Apple version. If that's the case, I would personally be more than willing to donate to support that project.

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
that is why i don't care for crap for windows. that is what i call jaws. if you want a good screen reader then go with system access. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
I wasn't a fan of System Access. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse

Re: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.

2010-04-21 Thread The Kolesar Brothers
Hi Alice. Please if you hear of anything that you let me know as well. But I'd probably see it if it's on the list. I too remember playing this old classic when I was in high school on a old apple two e. It wold be cool if it were transfered to a windows platform and even cooler if it had sound

Re: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Actually it's Alison. LOL. But I agree. I used to be addicted to that game. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: The Kolesar Brothers kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
It's interesting all the good stuff thae Tom and Bryan have listed about Window eyes also applies to Hal, even the tech support business and ability to use Sapi synths as speech output. I even stil use orphius for the same reason That Bryan uses eloquence, the response time is so

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
man i would like to play the game. but because of the problem i'm having i can't. like i have said before i have all the requirements and i have done the stuff like folks have say. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread shaun everiss
I still use hal though mine is grosly out dated now. I have not seen any reason to switch though even though I could if i cared to have the guts its the same with win xp apart from the security aspects I will have to spend loads of cash to upgrade hal and jaws and with jaws looks I'd need to

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread shaun everiss
well one reason I still like hal for games is you can turn the voice and hotkeys off. the reader is still loaded but its not doing any intercepts. doesn't mean it could crash but it does mean when you are done you can switch it back in. trouble is its easy to forget. At 07:05 a.m. 22/04/2010,

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread shaun everiss
well eloquence is the blindness shipping product that goes in everything. win eyes, k1000, and even hal now though some like k1000 and gw did have dectalk synths. eloquence is ok for a synth but all the small issues it had in the past. Its also quite robotic and crappy, though as a fast responce

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Based on my personal experience here Jaws is definitely the exception not the rule. Right now I have Window-Eyes 7.11 and the latest version of NVDA on my system and neither one has a problem being run in the background with a game. I've used both of them with MOTA beta 12 with no

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Exactly. There are, however rare they might be, times when it isn't necessarily practical to put your screenr eader to sleep even while gaming. A game developer testing his product is just a case in point. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh.

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I think what surprises me about screen readers though is the way that people tned to assume because jaws does something it's universal. I've seen a good few games which say unload your screen reader where in actual fact your screen reader just means jaws and it's irritated key shortcut

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Actually Bryan, having to put a screen reader to sleep while running games or other programs would down right annoy me. When writing up material for audiogames.net I quite commonly load up a game to check basic info such as keys or main menue options and flick out of the game to write stuff

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Exactly Dark. That's the only reason I was such a staunch JAWS user for ten years. And the only other option I did experiment with was OutSpoken, the first screen reader for Mac. And to be quite honest I absolutely hated that. But the reason, at least here in the US, that so many people support

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Well, that does happen in this country as well sadly. I'm not sure why my secondary school began with hal, - maybe things were different in the early 90's, pluss my brother already had a very good relationship with dolphin anyway and was a major fan of luna as a magnifyer. After some

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi, It's better than many I've tried, some of the intonations are similar to actual English speech; I've never figured out why people like Dektalk, I utterly loath it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Muhammed, One advantage with HAL (and I can say this just based on what dark has said) is that you can easily turn off most of it with control 8. I've always found it a apin to have to go into configuration manager and put it to sleep; I just unload it before launching the game. Best Regards,

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Hayden, I guess it would largely depend on what you started with, and learned to like first. I myself began using Dos screen readers in the early 90's and at the time the Dectalk PC and Dectalk Express hardware synths were the best around. They were the most human sounding you could get on the

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
with system access they give real voices out now. like i have julie on my computer. she sound like a real woman. matter of fact you can't get naru julie from any other screen reader. so try the trial and play with julie voice. and you all will see a big different in the speech. -- Email

[Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night. how does the game know if it is night time? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard
By the time shown on the clock located on, I think?, the task bar. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] bowling hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
what is the different between the full gaem and the demo? and is phil ever going to com out with another update to the game? it would be cool if he had the game let you type in what you want to be call. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Keao Wright
where do you get this game from? - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling By the time shown on the clock located on, I think?, the task bar.

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard
As shown earlier in the thread, www.draconisentertainment.com HTH. - Original Message - From: Keao Wright k...@radiodude.info To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling where do you get this game from?

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard
I think the demo lets you use the practice players for frames 9 and 10, while the full game lets you bowl the full game, and you choose from the list of first names followed by the first letter of your last name. There is more, and it can be found in the user's guide. - Original Message

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Probably it's designed to sync with your system clock. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey]

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Not to seem fussy or anything Michale, but why do you keep misspelling Game. Sometimes you get it right GAME but other times you spell it G A E M. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: michael barnes

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Michael, There are more than one factor that determines a good synthesizer. Sure, making them sound realiitic is important, but let's not forget intonation, inflections, and speed; those are all very important factors to consider. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From:

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas, Good point; I myself was one of those who started with eloquence, so yes, I can definitely see your point. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Phil Vlasak
Hi Michael, I sent answers to some of your questions directly to your email address and they all were bounced as undeliverable. Although I did a bowling game for DOS, Draconis did the Ten Pin Alley game based on some of my ideas and sound effects. They would be the one to make changes in it. I

Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
Hey Phil. try it again and if you can't send me the answers to my questions then send them to my other email which is. cyc...@yahoo.com thanks Phil. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers

Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I must confess, for all workings with hal I'm a big fan of Orphius' human voices. Fast response time pluss a convincing British English accent. For Sapi stuff I do like realspeak daniel, but it's response time is far too slow for me to use it with Hal. This hasn't always been the case of