Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
The teacher said otherweyes you can't play games. The best sight for games is, audio games! Go to. www.audiogames.net msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl This is the fault of today's role models as well as the parents of the kids. I would like to think that each of us would like to be a role model whether we intend to be or not, and we should be the role model we wish to be. Can we be a role model by the games we play? Probably not, because we are not ourselves in a lot of the games we play. They're all in fun, after all. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Well, it is a sad fact, but most of todays youth have completely different values, roll models, and a completely different upbringing than a generation ago. We all grow up trying to follow in the footsteps of someone we greatly admire, and if that person is a dirtbag we might think that is cool and emulate his/her attitudes. Here is a case in point. When I was growing up I greatly admired Princess Diana, because behind all the fame, being a royal princess, and all that you can tell she was a real human being. Not some stuck up rich snob. She dedicated a lot of time and energy into humanitarian efforts, and visited people far below her station. The fact that millions of people world wide came to her funeral is a testament of how greatly admired the woman was, and how deeply she was able to touch people emotionally. That is in my opinion a great example of a roll model. She wasn't perfect, but she did manage to leave behind a legacy that we should all treat others with respect, with love, and compassion no matter how rich or poor they may be. At least that's what I got out of her life's legacy. Now, compare her with someone today like Britney Spears. Britney Spears is definitely not someone I'd want my kids to admire and use as a roll model. She has been in and out of drug rehab, had a couple quicky mariages and devorces, threw beer bottles at the cops in a drunken rage when they tried to take her kids to see their father, dresses up like a tramp, and so on. Not the kind of behavior we want our children to grow up emulating that's for sure. Bottom line, I think that these kids probably don't have the best roll models and parental guidence in their lives. Someone to teach them the value of compassion, understanding, and to treat others with respect. In other words they haven't been taught the golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. On 3/7/10, Ch.B. chr1...@gmx.de wrote: The sad part is hey are not uneducated about disabled people but topics in general. I have been following the game board there for some time and it is amazing how a bunch of kids can be so ignorant about all kinds of stuff. And like I said they come up with stuff like yeah why would anyone without sight want to even play regular games, that would be like a deaf person playing rock band, bla bla. Scary that these kids will one day run all of our countries... lol I should of asked who over there wants to get their sighted butts kicked in a match of tekken by a blind person. I was on both sides of the fence, not being born blind but later in life, but never would I have reacted with nothing but curiousity or if anything with respect for gamers who are so dedicated that they take the time to master a game like that dude did with Zelda. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
This is the fault of today's role models as well as the parents of the kids. I would like to think that each of us would like to be a role model whether we intend to be or not, and we should be the role model we wish to be. Can we be a role model by the games we play? Probably not, because we are not ourselves in a lot of the games we play. They're all in fun, after all. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Well, it is a sad fact, but most of todays youth have completely different values, roll models, and a completely different upbringing than a generation ago. We all grow up trying to follow in the footsteps of someone we greatly admire, and if that person is a dirtbag we might think that is cool and emulate his/her attitudes. Here is a case in point. When I was growing up I greatly admired Princess Diana, because behind all the fame, being a royal princess, and all that you can tell she was a real human being. Not some stuck up rich snob. She dedicated a lot of time and energy into humanitarian efforts, and visited people far below her station. The fact that millions of people world wide came to her funeral is a testament of how greatly admired the woman was, and how deeply she was able to touch people emotionally. That is in my opinion a great example of a roll model. She wasn't perfect, but she did manage to leave behind a legacy that we should all treat others with respect, with love, and compassion no matter how rich or poor they may be. At least that's what I got out of her life's legacy. Now, compare her with someone today like Britney Spears. Britney Spears is definitely not someone I'd want my kids to admire and use as a roll model. She has been in and out of drug rehab, had a couple quicky mariages and devorces, threw beer bottles at the cops in a drunken rage when they tried to take her kids to see their father, dresses up like a tramp, and so on. Not the kind of behavior we want our children to grow up emulating that's for sure. Bottom line, I think that these kids probably don't have the best roll models and parental guidence in their lives. Someone to teach them the value of compassion, understanding, and to treat others with respect. In other words they haven't been taught the golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. On 3/7/10, Ch.B. chr1...@gmx.de wrote: The sad part is hey are not uneducated about disabled people but topics in general. I have been following the game board there for some time and it is amazing how a bunch of kids can be so ignorant about all kinds of stuff. And like I said they come up with stuff like yeah why would anyone without sight want to even play regular games, that would be like a deaf person playing rock band, bla bla. Scary that these kids will one day run all of our countries... lol I should of asked who over there wants to get their sighted butts kicked in a match of tekken by a blind person. I was on both sides of the fence, not being born blind but later in life, but never would I have reacted with nothing but curiousity or if anything with respect for gamers who are so dedicated that they take the time to master a game like that dude did with Zelda. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
yeah interestingly though sometimes I can invision myself say in the entombed universe doing exactly what my character did to get into the dungeon, since i have it close to something I did or that sounded like me. scary. At 02:40 a.m. 17/03/2010, you wrote: This is the fault of today's role models as well as the parents of the kids. I would like to think that each of us would like to be a role model whether we intend to be or not, and we should be the role model we wish to be. Can we be a role model by the games we play? Probably not, because we are not ourselves in a lot of the games we play. They're all in fun, after all. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Well, it is a sad fact, but most of todays youth have completely different values, roll models, and a completely different upbringing than a generation ago. We all grow up trying to follow in the footsteps of someone we greatly admire, and if that person is a dirtbag we might think that is cool and emulate his/her attitudes. Here is a case in point. When I was growing up I greatly admired Princess Diana, because behind all the fame, being a royal princess, and all that you can tell she was a real human being. Not some stuck up rich snob. She dedicated a lot of time and energy into humanitarian efforts, and visited people far below her station. The fact that millions of people world wide came to her funeral is a testament of how greatly admired the woman was, and how deeply she was able to touch people emotionally. That is in my opinion a great example of a roll model. She wasn't perfect, but she did manage to leave behind a legacy that we should all treat others with respect, with love, and compassion no matter how rich or poor they may be. At least that's what I got out of her life's legacy. Now, compare her with someone today like Britney Spears. Britney Spears is definitely not someone I'd want my kids to admire and use as a roll model. She has been in and out of drug rehab, had a couple quicky mariages and devorces, threw beer bottles at the cops in a drunken rage when they tried to take her kids to see their father, dresses up like a tramp, and so on. Not the kind of behavior we want our children to grow up emulating that's for sure. Bottom line, I think that these kids probably don't have the best roll models and parental guidence in their lives. Someone to teach them the value of compassion, understanding, and to treat others with respect. In other words they haven't been taught the golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. On 3/7/10, Ch.B. chr1...@gmx.de wrote: The sad part is hey are not uneducated about disabled people but topics in general. I have been following the game board there for some time and it is amazing how a bunch of kids can be so ignorant about all kinds of stuff. And like I said they come up with stuff like yeah why would anyone without sight want to even play regular games, that would be like a deaf person playing rock band, bla bla. Scary that these kids will one day run all of our countries... lol I should of asked who over there wants to get their sighted butts kicked in a match of tekken by a blind person. I was on both sides of the fence, not being born blind but later in life, but never would I have reacted with nothing but curiousity or if anything with respect for gamers who are so dedicated that they take the time to master a game like that dude did with Zelda. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
Hi Rich, You said in your message, if the game doesn't play on an XBox 360, Wii, or Plastation III the game doesn't exist. It is true that mainstream game companies seam to be more focused on those three platforms, but Windows is still a popular gaming platform too. However, unlike the 1990's when big companies like EA Games were targeting the PC they have now moved onto the big game consoles clearing the way for lots of small internet based companies to get a foot in the door. Now days a lot of PC games are downloaded and sold online through small game developers. Smuggler's 4 is just an example of the kind of game that wouldn't have done well in the 1990's do to lack of internet access by gamers, but seams to do alright now because most PC gamers have internet connections and can find and download games created by manufacturers without a big name label and trademark attached. In other words there is a huge PC gaming market out there, but instead of purchasing PC games through Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or a store like that they are now being written, produced, and sold on line through smaller internet based companies. I guess what I'm trying to say here is although the console games are the most visible don't let that fool you or anyone else into thinking the PC gaming market is non-existant. I have no facts or figures on how many of these bashers on Game Spot are into modern PC games, but I do know there is still a large market for PC games. The fact that Microsoft continues to develope DirectX and the XNA libraries are in of itself a testament to how popular PC gaming is. They wouldn't do it if there was no money involved in it, and there is still a lot to be made in the mainstream PC gaming market. Cheers! On 3/7/10, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, just my two cents worth on this subject. Unless you have some thick skin, ignoring them might be the best course of action. it seems that educating them probably won't work. Most in part to the fact that their eyes are open, but their ears are shut. Obviously, they are not picking up what you are putting down. and if the game doesn't play on an X box 360, WE, or playstation 3, it doesn't exist. but if you wish to show them something, think about the game entombed. let them know that Jason Allen, the creator of entombed, is sighted. He has arguably created the most extensive rogue like rpg to date. Give them Jason's website and let them check it out for themselves. The url for entombed is http://www.blind-games.com And, if you really want to take a jab at them, let them know the following: The truth shall set you free. and . If ignorance is bliss, there are a whole lot of happy gamers on this list. Rich --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
You don't have to put together a list of websites for blind gamers - our Top 25 list at 7128.com lists all of the major sites for computer games. It does not include console or online games that you might want to include. But - I tend to agree that even rubbing their noses in the fact that blind gaming is a very active area of interest won't change attitudes, especially if it is willful ignorance!!, Eleanor Robinson, 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Well, it is a sad fact, but most of todays youth have completely different values, roll models, and a completely different upbringing than a generation ago. We all grow up trying to follow in the footsteps of someone we greatly admire, and if that person is a dirtbag we might think that is cool and emulate his/her attitudes. Here is a case in point. When I was growing up I greatly admired Princess Diana, because behind all the fame, being a royal princess, and all that you can tell she was a real human being. Not some stuck up rich snob. She dedicated a lot of time and energy into humanitarian efforts, and visited people far below her station. The fact that millions of people world wide came to her funeral is a testament of how greatly admired the woman was, and how deeply she was able to touch people emotionally. That is in my opinion a great example of a roll model. She wasn't perfect, but she did manage to leave behind a legacy that we should all treat others with respect, with love, and compassion no matter how rich or poor they may be. At least that's what I got out of her life's legacy. Now, compare her with someone today like Britney Spears. Britney Spears is definitely not someone I'd want my kids to admire and use as a roll model. She has been in and out of drug rehab, had a couple quicky mariages and devorces, threw beer bottles at the cops in a drunken rage when they tried to take her kids to see their father, dresses up like a tramp, and so on. Not the kind of behavior we want our children to grow up emulating that's for sure. Bottom line, I think that these kids probably don't have the best roll models and parental guidence in their lives. Someone to teach them the value of compassion, understanding, and to treat others with respect. In other words they haven't been taught the golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. On 3/7/10, Ch.B. chr1...@gmx.de wrote: The sad part is hey are not uneducated about disabled people but topics in general. I have been following the game board there for some time and it is amazing how a bunch of kids can be so ignorant about all kinds of stuff. And like I said they come up with stuff like yeah why would anyone without sight want to even play regular games, that would be like a deaf person playing rock band, bla bla. Scary that these kids will one day run all of our countries... lol I should of asked who over there wants to get their sighted butts kicked in a match of tekken by a blind person. I was on both sides of the fence, not being born blind but later in life, but never would I have reacted with nothing but curiousity or if anything with respect for gamers who are so dedicated that they take the time to master a game like that dude did with Zelda. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
Hi Orin, Yeah, its called a double standard. On one hand blind people are seen as somehow super human if we can play a piano, play games, or anything else a sighted person can do. On the other hand we are totally helpless barely able to go to the bath room ourselves. Instead of placing us in the middle of those extremes we are seen with both awe and pitty as we are both super human and helpless in the public eye. I'm a musician myself, but I'm certainly no professional at it. However, any time I play my guitar, keyboard, etc people instantly ask why don't I play my guitar like Jeff Healie. Jeff Healie is an exceptional blind guitarist, from Canida, who has invented all of his own chording, and plays the guitar in a way that is completely unusual. It is cool, to be sure, but suddenly if one blind guy does it that way suddenly all blind people have to play the guitar that way, or so some sighted guitarists think. What they fail tosee Jeff Healie intentionally rose to super star status because he wanted to do things no one else tried before like drinking a cglass of water while playing the lead guitar for the song I See the Light and crazy stuff like that. that kind of showing off only adds to the super human legend which isn't at all close to the truth. Then, we have those few blind people who act like they are totally helpless, and add to the blind people are helpless legend. I've seen that happen more than once during my life time, and at those times I'd like to crawl under a rock. Especially, when some fellow blind person does something to draw negative attention to himself or herself by rocking in public, picking their nose, mumbling outloud, or some other socially unacceptable behavior. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
Hi Darren, Exactly. I don't know how many times I've been with a bunch of other blind class mates and one of them would draw public attention to all of us by rocking, poking his/her eyes, picking their nose, or some other socially unacceptable way of drawing attention. I really really hate that kind of behavior from my own fellow blind peers as they draw precisely the kind of negative attention I try to avoid. I like to fit into the croud and not stand out like a sore thumb as much as is possible. However, I remember there was this one student, where I went to school, who had a mental disability as well as being blind. I believe he was mildly retarded. Whatever the case is he constantly was the one the mainstream students based their opinions of blind people on. He'd walk down the school hallway going, yah, yah, yah, yah, in a monotone that was sure to bring attention to him. He pickd his nose, picked wax out of his ears, rocked, poked his eyes, and generally was the walking/talking worst example of a blind person you can get. Even though this kid was mildly retarted, as i said before, other sighted students and even some of the teachers acted as though I was mentally disabled as well. I know it wasn't totally this kids fault having had a mental disability, I don't think his parents tried to correct his bad social behavior, but I resented the negative attention all the same. It is that kind of negative example I think of that can really hurt our cause to be seen as just another average Joe or Jane who can't read print or see colors, but is otherwise normal. On 3/7/10, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Yup thomas I totally see what you're saying. It's usually the rockers, the eye pokers that get all the public attention because it's easier to see them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Gamefaqs is the same way. I made the mistake of posting about being blind on their mesage boards a few years back. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Ch.B. chr1...@gmx.de To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi all, yes I realize you are probably right, not worth my time. But what irks me to no end is that now I am accused of being a fake poster, 'since when are blind ppl on the computer let alone internet'? can you believe such ignorance. Cannot believe how narrow minded they are in regards to how blind ppl live their lives or disabled ppl in general. I will not even bother to answer them anymore but it is ridiculous that a major game site is run by a bunch of idiotic 12 year olds who do not know their arse from their elbow. Anyway, thanks all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The ones I hate are the ones who feel that their blindness means they're entitled to things. I'm not an easy hater but i hate people like that with a passion. And the irony is that some of them don't even want to admit that they're blind, they just want discounts based on being blind. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Orin, Yeah, its called a double standard. On one hand blind people are seen as somehow super human if we can play a piano, play games, or anything else a sighted person can do. On the other hand we are totally helpless barely able to go to the bath room ourselves. Instead of placing us in the middle of those extremes we are seen with both awe and pitty as we are both super human and helpless in the public eye. I'm a musician myself, but I'm certainly no professional at it. However, any time I play my guitar, keyboard, etc people instantly ask why don't I play my guitar like Jeff Healie. Jeff Healie is an exceptional blind guitarist, from Canida, who has invented all of his own chording, and plays the guitar in a way that is completely unusual. It is cool, to be sure, but suddenly if one blind guy does it that way suddenly all blind people have to play the guitar that way, or so some sighted guitarists think. What they fail tosee Jeff Healie intentionally rose to super star status because he wanted to do things no one else tried before like drinking a cglass of water while playing the lead guitar for the song I See the Light and crazy stuff like that. that kind of showing off only adds to the super human legend which isn't at all close to the truth. Then, we have those few blind people who act like they are totally helpless, and add to the blind people are helpless legend. I've seen that happen more than once during my life time, and at those times I'd like to crawl under a rock. Especially, when some fellow blind person does something to draw negative attention to himself or herself by rocking in public, picking their nose, mumbling outloud, or some other socially unacceptable behavior. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. The retro gaming movement is certainly an interesting aspect to PC gaming as it is directed towards old school gamers like me who basically grew up with the Atari 2600, Colleco Vision, Nintendo, Super NES, etc. Some of the Megaman games and Castlevania games didn't have great graphics, but that was made up for in killer game play and a decent enough story. I just don't see new games that capture the gaming public the way those games did when they first hit the market. Back in 1996 when everyone was trying to cash in on the new Windows 95 PC market Edos Interactive released their first treasure hunting game Tomb Raider. At the time it was a smashing success. I loved that game. However, over the passed few years the series has steadily been going down hill. Edos new Legends engine has extremely awesome graphics, as seen in Tomb Raider Underworld, but the game content isn't the same any more. In my opinion Edos took a very bad turn after the Last Revelation when they killed Lara Croft off in the game universe, and then tried to undo their mistake by saying she secretly escaped from the trapped ruins, and locates Dr. Von Croy in Paris in number 6 where she ends up framed with his murder. Plot wise the game took a dramatic turn for the worst. They officially killed Lara Croft in Last Revelation, Chronicals was a series of short adventures that happened pproceeding her death in Egypt, Angel of Darkness was more or less a story to try and bring Lara back from the dead and having her hunt downsome missing paintings, and Legends was basically about Lara's search for what happened to her mother and father. Although the later games did have some treasure hunting in them that really was no longer the focus or aim of the games. It all got wrapped up in Lara's personal story, and her eventual showdown with Natla in Underworld. Someone who Lara had killed clear back in the original Tomb Raider game, or was suppose to have until the last two games were Natla ends up resuming her roll as nemesis. It is hard to put my finger on it, but Edos has clearly lost the magic that made those games successful in the 1990's. The new games just aren't the same or as good as they were. The sounds are better, the graphics are better, but they games are actually flops. Oh, I like them well enough, better than some stuff that is out there, but I'm loosing interest in them myself. Unfortunately, I'm finding the same problem throughout the gaming industry. Games seam to be anywhere from bla to so so at best. For me there has never been another Tomb Raider, Castlevania, double Dragon, whatever that just grabs my attention the way those games did. At least not from the mainstream market. As far as accessible gaming goes Entombed has put a lot of fresh content out there, and looks like it is a smashing success. Even I'm hooked on it although I see where the game could be better. More traps, several bug fixes, more adventures, etc and I think it would be a very awesome game. Cheers! On 3/7/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: well these days there are games for serious game players, and games for casual graphically obsessed people with no imagination, generally the serious games enthusiasts hate the trend, and indeed that's a chief reason behind the retro gaming movement, games these days are easier, more cinematic, more concentrated on gimics and less on gameplay than in the past, --- -such is the thinking anyway. Interestingly enough, i remember reading a topic on the Angband roguelike forums from someone who was sick of what they called cliched, unsystematics console rpgs, and much preferd roguelikes for that reason, and from a sighted point of view, you don't really get more minimalist in terms of graffics than aski. There are of course stil games, such as the Metroid prime, Final fantasy, Grandia or Mega man series (not counting battle network), which are very much aimed at the old school, serious game playing fraternity, but now it's become a minority interest, rather than being the norm as it was in the past. Indeed I've heard that's why Final fantasy 7 is regarded as one of the best games of all times, it was cinematic enough to catch the eye of the generic kids, but interesting and deep enough in gameplay and plot to keep the die hard gamers happy. Btw, my brother, and various friends of mine are very much die hard gamers, hence my knolidge of the subject. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Yes but you see that's where I think social integration falls down and it fails so many people. It fails us because of the reason you've just outlined, it also fails the person in question because they aren't gaining anything by being in a mainstream environment. I think that mainstream is good when it works but for the retarded lot it doesn't work far from it. I came from the specialist education system in England which is fading out now. But the amount of people with mental disabilities we had at these blind schools really did create a problem because whether you like to admit it or not, if you are exposed to them 24 hours a day 7 days a week, you start to be affected by them. The rules and regs of the school become set up in favour of the people with mental disabilities and inhibit the natural ability for social and emotional development in the rest of the population. Yes social integration fails big time if you ask me. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 08 March 2010 20:06 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I don't know how many times I've been with a bunch of other blind class mates and one of them would draw public attention to all of us by rocking, poking his/her eyes, picking their nose, or some other socially unacceptable way of drawing attention. I really really hate that kind of behavior from my own fellow blind peers as they draw precisely the kind of negative attention I try to avoid. I like to fit into the croud and not stand out like a sore thumb as much as is possible. However, I remember there was this one student, where I went to school, who had a mental disability as well as being blind. I believe he was mildly retarded. Whatever the case is he constantly was the one the mainstream students based their opinions of blind people on. He'd walk down the school hallway going, yah, yah, yah, yah, in a monotone that was sure to bring attention to him. He pickd his nose, picked wax out of his ears, rocked, poked his eyes, and generally was the walking/talking worst example of a blind person you can get. Even though this kid was mildly retarted, as i said before, other sighted students and even some of the teachers acted as though I was mentally disabled as well. I know it wasn't totally this kids fault having had a mental disability, I don't think his parents tried to correct his bad social behavior, but I resented the negative attention all the same. It is that kind of negative example I think of that can really hurt our cause to be seen as just another average Joe or Jane who can't read print or see colors, but is otherwise normal. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think Princess Diana was great. Really I do. The whole of England came to a standstill on that day. I watched the whole precession to the funeral and the car journey back to where she was berried. She was wonderful. Shame MI5 killed her. That's the general consensus over here anyway. So many people believe that she was killed at the order of the queen but you'd never prove it. Too much was pinned on the security guard that survived and the driver who drunk too much. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, as far as rocking or eye poking is concerned, there must be some perfectly reasonable explanation as to why it happens. Even I am guilty of doing it. I guess it's because we have no visual stimulation or something. At 07:05 AM 9/03/2010, you wrote: Hi Darren, Exactly. I don't know how many times I've been with a bunch of other blind class mates and one of them would draw public attention to all of us by rocking, poking his/her eyes, picking their nose, or some other socially unacceptable way of drawing attention. I really really hate that kind of behavior from my own fellow blind peers as they draw precisely the kind of negative attention I try to avoid. I like to fit into the croud and not stand out like a sore thumb as much as is possible. However, I remember there was this one student, where I went to school, who had a mental disability as well as being blind. I believe he was mildly retarded. Whatever the case is he constantly was the one the mainstream students based their opinions of blind people on. He'd walk down the school hallway going, yah, yah, yah, yah, in a monotone that was sure to bring attention to him. He pickd his nose, picked wax out of his ears, rocked, poked his eyes, and generally was the walking/talking worst example of a blind person you can get. Even though this kid was mildly retarted, as i said before, other sighted students and even some of the teachers acted as though I was mentally disabled as well. I know it wasn't totally this kids fault having had a mental disability, I don't think his parents tried to correct his bad social behavior, but I resented the negative attention all the same. It is that kind of negative example I think of that can really hurt our cause to be seen as just another average Joe or Jane who can't read print or see colors, but is otherwise normal. On 3/7/10, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Yup thomas I totally see what you're saying. It's usually the rockers, the eye pokers that get all the public attention because it's easier to see them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well tom there are people on here, people like liam and raul and maybe others that play consoles. I have tried with sight but if you asked me to verse each in a battle well match em I couldn't. they are a class over me. Hi Orin, Yeah, its called a double standard. On one hand blind people are seen as somehow super human if we can play a piano, play games, or anything else a sighted person can do. On the other hand we are totally helpless barely able to go to the bath room ourselves. Instead of placing us in the middle of those extremes we are seen with both awe and pitty as we are both super human and helpless in the public eye. I'm a musician myself, but I'm certainly no professional at it. However, any time I play my guitar, keyboard, etc people instantly ask why don't I play my guitar like Jeff Healie. Jeff Healie is an exceptional blind guitarist, from Canida, who has invented all of his own chording, and plays the guitar in a way that is completely unusual. It is cool, to be sure, but suddenly if one blind guy does it that way suddenly all blind people have to play the guitar that way, or so some sighted guitarists think. What they fail tosee Jeff Healie intentionally rose to super star status because he wanted to do things no one else tried before like drinking a cglass of water while playing the lead guitar for the song I See the Light and crazy stuff like that. that kind of showing off only adds to the super human legend which isn't at all close to the truth. Then, we have those few blind people who act like they are totally helpless, and add to the blind people are helpless legend. I've seen that happen more than once during my life time, and at those times I'd like to crawl under a rock. Especially, when some fellow blind person does something to draw negative attention to himself or herself by rocking in public, picking their nose, mumbling outloud, or some other socially unacceptable behavior. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. this unfortunately sounds true. the only reason the Mega man series survived is that they effectively split the franchize in two. the Batlenetwork games and their sequal series are very much aimed at kids. They aren't even set in the same universe as Mega man, in fact at the end of the first game the villain, Lord Wily, states that the reason he went into evil was that his robotic's program was rejected in favour of net research. The games are very much themed around kid romance, standardized, almost simplified plots, features such as trading and online competition like the Pokemon series, and a battle/rpg system employing real time rather than turn based elements. Then, at the same time, Capcom continued to release platformers for the hard core fans set in the same universe as Mega man and Mega man x, with dark and interesting plots which tie in to the previous games (including the return of dr. wily in Mega man zero 4), and are currently bridging the gap betwene the Mega man and mmx series with mega man 9 and 10 which actually introduce the maveric virus. Sadly though, this is a rarity, and circumstances such as those you mention with tomb rader sound all too common. Fortunately, there will always be systems like the virtual console, and indeed freeware developers, but as is known on this list, what can be done by one, or at most 10 or 12 people working together on a game project isn't like the millions which a game company could spend developing something. This is why even in the retro games scene, there are comparatively few walk along beat em ups like double dragon or streets of rage, not because such games aren't popular (the fourty quid I had to shell out for a copy of streets of rage 3 for my mega drive a few months ago from Ebay shows that), but because in terms of grafics programming, defining all the factors for such a game, moving collision boxes, speed of attacks, many large scale animations is a hugely tricky process for one person alone. This is however one advantage with audio games. because developers and players are very close, and because (to be blunt), not many games are released, people are encouraged to try many sorts of games at varying difficulties. Pluss, generally good sfx and music are held to be a bonus, not a necessity, sinse everyone is aware how tricky such things are to obtain, and besides, sinse audio games have to last the player a long time before the next release, they must be built to last and not work just on audio appeal. While I can think of a couple of audio games who's audio out stripped there gameplay, most fall the other way around, and someone who refuses a game because they don't like the audio is just doing themselves out of some fun. Beware the grue! Dark. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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same here. I do aggree that I may get extra things and if things for us blind are avalible I do ask for things. I do feel that we do take for granted that we are are entitled to things. Probabley because we are to some extent. Ie the benifit, we get it because we are blind, all the equipment we get, we have to prove we need it but we get it because we can't necessarily afford it because we are blind. All the extra classes skills for life tuition, mobility etc we get because we are blind though there are limits on things when you are older. we get a discount on transport because we are blind. We get loats of things because we are blind. however its easy to forget that although we get thest things most of these are donationware. So they are as fragile as a piece of cotton and don't take to much to break. Recently in nz we had to fight to get exempt from jury service and again to keep a benifit if we get a job, in the uk and us thats got issues a fact which has been discussed on this list before. also the government puts a lot into this sort of thing. In the beginning I thought I was entitled to things but after reading loads on these and others benifits actually use a lot of a countries budjet. I am sure the government would like nothing better than to cut them, because of the expence. So I think we should see these things as a privilage rather than a right. We get these things because we are blind but we keep getting these things in general because we can and the country is doing quite well. I for example have not been in a poor country which is not new zealand australia, the us, the uk europe, etc. and this thing is not perfect. I am not even in my right mind right now, I still live at home. So I imagion I won't feel to much issue for about another 20-30 years. Never thought what I will do after my family goes kicking the bucket but its crossed my mind at least once. No way I will ever afford what I have here, the laptop, the net at its rates, all the extras I have right now. THe benifit is not much really. So its a mixed bag. Because I am blind you get things and are entitled to them. THe issue is keeping them, and for their future. I wander how louis braille felt. I read on that subject. Back then blind people were helpless they didn't read. They had no life. In some places like holland they are giving to much and are suffering if the news I read somewhere has me reading. And in some places like norway again according to the news disabled people are put in asilums because no one knows what to do they are all mental one place and you stay there for your entire life. Its easy to have your own little world, I am still half in mine and still need to work on getting out. So its not easy. The ones I hate are the ones who feel that their blindness means they're entitled to things. I'm not an easy hater but i hate people like that with a passion. And the irony is that some of them don't even want to admit that they're blind, they just want discounts based on being blind. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Orin, Yeah, its called a double standard. On one hand blind people are seen as somehow super human if we can play a piano, play games, or anything else a sighted person can do. On the other hand we are totally helpless barely able to go to the bath room ourselves. Instead of placing us in the middle of those extremes we are seen with both awe and pitty as we are both super human and helpless in the public eye. I'm a musician myself, but I'm certainly no professional at it. However, any time I play my guitar, keyboard, etc people instantly ask why don't I play my guitar like Jeff Healie. Jeff Healie is an exceptional blind guitarist, from Canida, who has invented all of his own chording, and plays the guitar in a way that is completely unusual. It is cool, to be sure, but suddenly if one blind guy does it that way suddenly all blind people have to play the guitar that way, or so some sighted guitarists think. What they fail tosee Jeff Healie intentionally rose to super star status because he wanted to do things no one else tried before like drinking a cglass of water while playing the lead guitar for the song I See the Light and crazy stuff like that. that kind of showing off only adds to the super human legend which isn't at all close to the truth. Then, we have those few blind people who act like they are totally helpless, and add to the blind people are helpless legend. I've seen that happen more than once during my life time, and at those times I'd like to crawl under a rock. Especially, when some fellow blind person does something to draw negative attention to himself or herself by rocking
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well tom I can relate to this. Its probably why people are encouraging braille devices over computers we start sounding like them. I must say poking eyes is a habit I have tried to break. I also resent some of my other sences at times. if i feel something in my nose or eyes it seems more annoying than most. Right now I am hearing cicadas outside. I get a headake from these things the sighted I have round me including my parents don't think about it. I don't want to think about it b but I can hear them just the same and I wish I didn't. at night I can hear high pitched tones no one else can. and ringing. and although it does help me in some instances which I like I sometimes wish I could switch the volume down a bit. Hi Darren, Exactly. I don't know how many times I've been with a bunch of other blind class mates and one of them would draw public attention to all of us by rocking, poking his/her eyes, picking their nose, or some other socially unacceptable way of drawing attention. I really really hate that kind of behavior from my own fellow blind peers as they draw precisely the kind of negative attention I try to avoid. I like to fit into the croud and not stand out like a sore thumb as much as is possible. However, I remember there was this one student, where I went to school, who had a mental disability as well as being blind. I believe he was mildly retarded. Whatever the case is he constantly was the one the mainstream students based their opinions of blind people on. He'd walk down the school hallway going, yah, yah, yah, yah, in a monotone that was sure to bring attention to him. He pickd his nose, picked wax out of his ears, rocked, poked his eyes, and generally was the walking/talking worst example of a blind person you can get. Even though this kid was mildly retarted, as i said before, other sighted students and even some of the teachers acted as though I was mentally disabled as well. I know it wasn't totally this kids fault having had a mental disability, I don't think his parents tried to correct his bad social behavior, but I resented the negative attention all the same. It is that kind of negative example I think of that can really hurt our cause to be seen as just another average Joe or Jane who can't read print or see colors, but is otherwise normal. On 3/7/10, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Yup thomas I totally see what you're saying. It's usually the rockers, the eye pokers that get all the public attention because it's easier to see them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I also morn the retro gaming. now my old dos box is dead I can't play most of these. I have a friend that likes old music and that stuff from games i can play and I do play said stuff. Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. The retro gaming movement is certainly an interesting aspect to PC gaming as it is directed towards old school gamers like me who basically grew up with the Atari 2600, Colleco Vision, Nintendo, Super NES, etc. Some of the Megaman games and Castlevania games didn't have great graphics, but that was made up for in killer game play and a decent enough story. I just don't see new games that capture the gaming public the way those games did when they first hit the market. Back in 1996 when everyone was trying to cash in on the new Windows 95 PC market Edos Interactive released their first treasure hunting game Tomb Raider. At the time it was a smashing success. I loved that game. However, over the passed few years the series has steadily been going down hill. Edos new Legends engine has extremely awesome graphics, as seen in Tomb Raider Underworld, but the game content isn't the same any more. In my opinion Edos took a very bad turn after the Last Revelation when they killed Lara Croft off in the game universe, and then tried to undo their mistake by saying she secretly escaped from the trapped ruins, and locates Dr. Von Croy in Paris in number 6 where she ends up framed with his murder. Plot wise the game took a dramatic turn for the worst. They officially killed Lara Croft in Last Revelation, Chronicals was a series of short adventures that happened pproceeding her death in Egypt, Angel of Darkness was more or less a story to try and bring Lara back from the dead and having her hunt downsome missing paintings, and Legends was basically about Lara's search for what happened to her mother and father. Although the later games did have some treasure hunting in them that really was no longer the focus or aim of the games. It all got wrapped up in Lara's personal story, and her eventual showdown with Natla in Underworld. Someone who Lara had killed clear back in the original Tomb Raider game, or was suppose to have until the last two games were Natla ends up resuming her roll as nemesis. It is hard to put my finger on it, but Edos has clearly lost the magic that made those games successful in the 1990's. The new games just aren't the same or as good as they were. The sounds are better, the graphics are better, but they games are actually flops. Oh, I like them well enough, better than some stuff that is out there, but I'm loosing interest in them myself. Unfortunately, I'm finding the same problem throughout the gaming industry. Games seam to be anywhere from bla to so so at best. For me there has never been another Tomb Raider, Castlevania, double Dragon, whatever that just grabs my attention the way those games did. At least not from the mainstream market. As far as accessible gaming goes Entombed has put a lot of fresh content out there, and looks like it is a smashing success. Even I'm hooked on it although I see where the game could be better. More traps, several bug fixes, more adventures, etc and I think it would be a very awesome game. Cheers! On 3/7/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: well these days there are games for serious game players, and games for casual graphically obsessed people with no imagination, generally the serious games enthusiasts hate the trend, and indeed that's a chief reason behind the retro gaming movement, games these days are easier, more cinematic, more concentrated on gimics and less on gameplay than in the past, --- -such is the thinking anyway. Interestingly enough, i remember reading a topic on the Angband roguelike forums from someone who was sick of what they called cliched, unsystematics console rpgs, and much preferd roguelikes for that reason, and from a sighted point of view, you don't really get more minimalist in terms of graffics than aski. There are of course stil games, such as the Metroid prime, Final fantasy, Grandia or Mega man series (not counting battle network), which are very much aimed at the old school, serious game playing fraternity, but now it's become a minority interest, rather than being the norm as it was in the past. Indeed I've heard that's why Final fantasy 7 is regarded as one of the best games of all times, it was cinematic enough to catch the eye of the generic kids, but interesting and deep enough in gameplay and plot to keep the die hard gamers happy. Btw, my brother, and various friends of mine are very much die hard gamers, hence my knolidge of the subject. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
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yeah not to mention the people in say school that think you should not do mainstream had go in the disabled units. Hi Thomas, Yes but you see that's where I think social integration falls down and it fails so many people. It fails us because of the reason you've just outlined, it also fails the person in question because they aren't gaining anything by being in a mainstream environment. I think that mainstream is good when it works but for the retarded lot it doesn't work far from it. I came from the specialist education system in England which is fading out now. But the amount of people with mental disabilities we had at these blind schools really did create a problem because whether you like to admit it or not, if you are exposed to them 24 hours a day 7 days a week, you start to be affected by them. The rules and regs of the school become set up in favour of the people with mental disabilities and inhibit the natural ability for social and emotional development in the rest of the population. Yes social integration fails big time if you ask me. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 08 March 2010 20:06 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I don't know how many times I've been with a bunch of other blind class mates and one of them would draw public attention to all of us by rocking, poking his/her eyes, picking their nose, or some other socially unacceptable way of drawing attention. I really really hate that kind of behavior from my own fellow blind peers as they draw precisely the kind of negative attention I try to avoid. I like to fit into the croud and not stand out like a sore thumb as much as is possible. However, I remember there was this one student, where I went to school, who had a mental disability as well as being blind. I believe he was mildly retarded. Whatever the case is he constantly was the one the mainstream students based their opinions of blind people on. He'd walk down the school hallway going, yah, yah, yah, yah, in a monotone that was sure to bring attention to him. He pickd his nose, picked wax out of his ears, rocked, poked his eyes, and generally was the walking/talking worst example of a blind person you can get. Even though this kid was mildly retarted, as i said before, other sighted students and even some of the teachers acted as though I was mentally disabled as well. I know it wasn't totally this kids fault having had a mental disability, I don't think his parents tried to correct his bad social behavior, but I resented the negative attention all the same. It is that kind of negative example I think of that can really hurt our cause to be seen as just another average Joe or Jane who can't read print or see colors, but is otherwise normal. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Good grief! I spend four hours this morning reading (or at least having my research assistant read), a ream of stuff on the social theory of disability and intigration, for my phd, which is intended to defign disability, then I get it on this list as well! Aaaagh! ;D. My own thought is that any discussion of these issues needs to recognize flexibility. Yes, there are blind people i've met from the specialist education system who've now ended up in a total mess. Equally however, there are occasions (I experienced one myself as a teenager), where intigration doesn't work simply because of the nature of the environment in question. Yet neither environment can be said to create the disaibility in the first place (as many theorists argue), the blindness is there and needs dealing with. What I'm trying to do in my phd is derive a theory of disability based on questions of quality of life, not related either to specific social or environmental factors, or tied to specific conditions which can then be named and pointed to. Sinse it is based upon quality of life, any answer to intigration vs specialization has to be looked at on a case by case basis. Yes, for a blind person of normal interlect, a sympathetic intigrated environment might work, however for someone of less than usual interlect, or indeed someone who requires huge amounts of independence training, maybe some degree of specialization would help. On the appearing normal front, Again, there seem to be two things. Yes, the majority of people are bloody stupid about blindness. however wandering around bellowing at others for help or expecting assistance to always be there doesn't work either (an atitude I've encountered far too often among blind people and indeed people who work with blind people). Such things are an interaction and should be thought of as such. I carry a kane, not to warn people I'm blind, but simply to make certain I don't fall down steps. On the other hand, I turn and look at people when i'm talking to them to make their communication and interaction with me easier, so that I can live with people on a more reasonable basis. Btw, my special school was as vile as my main stream one, my teacher was! professor umbridge! so I'd say I've seen both sides of the education coin fail miserably. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well on the matter of this I have a friend in the industry that says everything is shifting over from what I have been through to a more mainstream type simular to my uni days. You had a central resource point, and you got services, readers, and other things from there. All lecturers knew where to go, if they had something to convert they could convert it there. If there was a problem the rc would get it and solve it. So you were mainstream and some of the stuff you had to pay a little for. But you got support if you wanted it, and it was in easy reach, usually a phonecall away. Gone are the days of say a disabled place I did like the central point system myself. no one asked questions if there was a problem they knew where to go. Every so often you had a meating if they did need you for something. mostly though a load of suff was done for you though you did get some imput. the system was sertainly better than the school system and I wish I had that sort of system earlier on. Hi Thomas, Yes but you see that's where I think social integration falls down and it fails so many people. It fails us because of the reason you've just outlined, it also fails the person in question because they aren't gaining anything by being in a mainstream environment. I think that mainstream is good when it works but for the retarded lot it doesn't work far from it. I came from the specialist education system in England which is fading out now. But the amount of people with mental disabilities we had at these blind schools really did create a problem because whether you like to admit it or not, if you are exposed to them 24 hours a day 7 days a week, you start to be affected by them. The rules and regs of the school become set up in favour of the people with mental disabilities and inhibit the natural ability for social and emotional development in the rest of the population. Yes social integration fails big time if you ask me. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 08 March 2010 20:06 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I don't know how many times I've been with a bunch of other blind class mates and one of them would draw public attention to all of us by rocking, poking his/her eyes, picking their nose, or some other socially unacceptable way of drawing attention. I really really hate that kind of behavior from my own fellow blind peers as they draw precisely the kind of negative attention I try to avoid. I like to fit into the croud and not stand out like a sore thumb as much as is possible. However, I remember there was this one student, where I went to school, who had a mental disability as well as being blind. I believe he was mildly retarded. Whatever the case is he constantly was the one the mainstream students based their opinions of blind people on. He'd walk down the school hallway going, yah, yah, yah, yah, in a monotone that was sure to bring attention to him. He pickd his nose, picked wax out of his ears, rocked, poked his eyes, and generally was the walking/talking worst example of a blind person you can get. Even though this kid was mildly retarted, as i said before, other sighted students and even some of the teachers acted as though I was mentally disabled as well. I know it wasn't totally this kids fault having had a mental disability, I don't think his parents tried to correct his bad social behavior, but I resented the negative attention all the same. It is that kind of negative example I think of that can really hurt our cause to be seen as just another average Joe or Jane who can't read print or see colors, but is otherwise normal. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well taking a cane does net people know you are blind but its secondary though i have sometimes got to lazy to take it a thing I am trying to kerb. ofcause weather you have a cane or not some don't care but not many at least. At 12:41 p.m. 9/03/2010, you wrote: Good grief! I spend four hours this morning reading (or at least having my research assistant read), a ream of stuff on the social theory of disability and intigration, for my phd, which is intended to defign disability, then I get it on this list as well! Aaaagh! ;D. My own thought is that any discussion of these issues needs to recognize flexibility. Yes, there are blind people i've met from the specialist education system who've now ended up in a total mess. Equally however, there are occasions (I experienced one myself as a teenager), where intigration doesn't work simply because of the nature of the environment in question. Yet neither environment can be said to create the disaibility in the first place (as many theorists argue), the blindness is there and needs dealing with. What I'm trying to do in my phd is derive a theory of disability based on questions of quality of life, not related either to specific social or environmental factors, or tied to specific conditions which can then be named and pointed to. Sinse it is based upon quality of life, any answer to intigration vs specialization has to be looked at on a case by case basis. Yes, for a blind person of normal interlect, a sympathetic intigrated environment might work, however for someone of less than usual interlect, or indeed someone who requires huge amounts of independence training, maybe some degree of specialization would help. On the appearing normal front, Again, there seem to be two things. Yes, the majority of people are bloody stupid about blindness. however wandering around bellowing at others for help or expecting assistance to always be there doesn't work either (an atitude I've encountered far too often among blind people and indeed people who work with blind people). Such things are an interaction and should be thought of as such. I carry a kane, not to warn people I'm blind, but simply to make certain I don't fall down steps. On the other hand, I turn and look at people when i'm talking to them to make their communication and interaction with me easier, so that I can live with people on a more reasonable basis. Btw, my special school was as vile as my main stream one, my teacher was! professor umbridge! so I'd say I've seen both sides of the education coin fail miserably. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Yes, precisely my point. When I first lost my sight I was sent off to a school for the blind that handled mainstream students as well as a handful of students with various disabilities, and I absolutely hated it. Not because they were trying to mix mainstream and disabled students, but because of exactly the reasons you pointed out. Do to the fact they had disabilities for the blind, wheel chairs, mentally disabled, etc they ended up creating the rules and regs for the lowest common denominator, and they were not necessarily benificial to me personally. Although, I'm sure they made sense to some official who dresses up in a three piece suit every morning. I ended up talking my parents into pulling me out of that school, and placing me in the local high school were I was pretty much the only disabled student. I remember the day before I left my former teachers etc told me I'd never make it on my own in a public school, I'd be back in a few months a total failior, and that I couldn't be independant with out their help. They were completely wrong. Not only did I make it on my own as the only blind student in an otherwise mainstream high school, I made better grades, was more active in school activities, and was a much happier person for it. One reason as the only blind person at the school they pretty much had to form their opions, impressions, and general attitudes about me from me. They didn't have what I would call poor exampls to judge me by. If someone asked me how a blind person does this or that I'd give them a fair overview of my life, and by all means kept a low profile. I never drew attention to myself in a negative way that would make myself or or any other blind person look bad. No eye poking, picking my nose in class, picking wax out of my ears and then licking my fingers, or any of the dozens of other wierd and disgusting behaviors I had been exposed to when sheltered under the special education program. I set out each and everyday to just be me, and let people see I was a person just like them. Second, by pulling me out of the special education program I was forced to sink or float on my own initiative. I am, and have always been, an independent sort of person. I really don't like being compared to or judged by others standards. I want to set my own standards, and be judged by my own standards and let my actions speak for themselves. Cheers! On 3/8/10, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Yes but you see that's where I think social integration falls down and it fails so many people. It fails us because of the reason you've just outlined, it also fails the person in question because they aren't gaining anything by being in a mainstream environment. I think that mainstream is good when it works but for the retarded lot it doesn't work far from it. I came from the specialist education system in England which is fading out now. But the amount of people with mental disabilities we had at these blind schools really did create a problem because whether you like to admit it or not, if you are exposed to them 24 hours a day 7 days a week, you start to be affected by them. The rules and regs of the school become set up in favour of the people with mental disabilities and inhibit the natural ability for social and emotional development in the rest of the population. Yes social integration fails big time if you ask me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. to a large part I'd agree. The special school I went to for two years was so contrived it was unbelieveable. Bells for everything, rules of doing things on the hour every hour, about the only good thing you could say was the educational standard was higher than normal. then however as a teenager, I attended a school which had a few blind students, but mostly sited, with a resource center. That setup might've worked, if it weren't for the fact that it was in the worst school in the county, a school where knives were literally pulled on teachers. The best experience I had was actually my final school, where indeed I was the only blind student, and they did everything in their power not to have me, up to and including stating I couldn't take one class because there were 19 students and there wouldn't be a spare chair, but in the end were forced to, and six months later I got a distinct and formal appology from them. I'd class myself as pretty independent as well, pluss I'd class myself as someone who has a variety of interests and attributes, lack of site being one of them. I must confess if I have a prejudice, it's actually against blind people, or more specifically, against the cleak orientated, stay at home blind people who spend all their time only talking to and interacting with other blind people and believe making coffee without a liquid level indicator is worthy of a gold medel, I did in fact have a blind person once tell me this in great tones of respect and ore about one of their blind friends. The fact that I do it everytime I make coffee in a cafetier because the indicator simply won't fit over the jug, or indeed lived without one for three weeks on one holiday where I forgot to bring one didn't seem to count with said person. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
Hi, Kind of unusual request maybe. You all probably read about the blind gamer who had someone help him finish this Zelda ocarina of time game by himself. Now this very topic came up on gamespot messageboard which I go to to read but never posted to. I should have known better. Anyway, ppl on there just cracked jokes and made idiotic comments about why blind ppl feel the bneed to play games and such anyhow. So I posted some comments and even offered some insight on how games can work for blind gamers as well. So anyway, now some idiots have nothing better to do than to even question how a person like me is even capable of hitting the reply button or be onj the internet. Anyone care to back me up and throw in some pointers there, is greatly appreciated. Here is the direct link ( don't know if it will work with this linkage, if not the thread is called blind guy beats ocarina of time. It is in their off topic department in the forum section). http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27215727tag=top ics;title --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, They're just internet trolls don't worry about them. The people who really take notice are usually the ones that don't comment so I wouldn't worry about it too much -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ch.B. Sent: 07 March 2010 10:31 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Kind of unusual request maybe. You all probably read about the blind gamer who had someone help him finish this Zelda ocarina of time game by himself. Now this very topic came up on gamespot messageboard which I go to to read but never posted to. I should have known better. Anyway, ppl on there just cracked jokes and made idiotic comments about why blind ppl feel the bneed to play games and such anyhow. So I posted some comments and even offered some insight on how games can work for blind gamers as well. So anyway, now some idiots have nothing better to do than to even question how a person like me is even capable of hitting the reply button or be onj the internet. Anyone care to back me up and throw in some pointers there, is greatly appreciated. Here is the direct link ( don't know if it will work with this linkage, if not the thread is called blind guy beats ocarina of time. It is in their off topic department in the forum section). http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27215727tag=top ics;title --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It happens in the blind gaming community also.. To many Indians not enough Chiefs.. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, They're just internet trolls don't worry about them. The people who really take notice are usually the ones that don't comment so I wouldn't worry about it too much -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ch.B. Sent: 07 March 2010 10:31 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Kind of unusual request maybe. You all probably read about the blind gamer who had someone help him finish this Zelda ocarina of time game by himself. Now this very topic came up on gamespot messageboard which I go to to read but never posted to. I should have known better. Anyway, ppl on there just cracked jokes and made idiotic comments about why blind ppl feel the bneed to play games and such anyhow. So I posted some comments and even offered some insight on how games can work for blind gamers as well. So anyway, now some idiots have nothing better to do than to even question how a person like me is even capable of hitting the reply button or be onj the internet. Anyone care to back me up and throw in some pointers there, is greatly appreciated. Here is the direct link ( don't know if it will work with this linkage, if not the thread is called blind guy beats ocarina of time. It is in their off topic department in the forum section). http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27215727tag=top ics;title --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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No you need a good enough work force. Too much management then the whole system falls apart because they all scrabbling for power. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of key stone Sent: 07 March 2010 13:09 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl It happens in the blind gaming community also.. To many Indians not enough Chiefs.. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, They're just internet trolls don't worry about them. The people who really take notice are usually the ones that don't comment so I wouldn't worry about it too much -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ch.B. Sent: 07 March 2010 10:31 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Kind of unusual request maybe. You all probably read about the blind gamer who had someone help him finish this Zelda ocarina of time game by himself. Now this very topic came up on gamespot messageboard which I go to to read but never posted to. I should have known better. Anyway, ppl on there just cracked jokes and made idiotic comments about why blind ppl feel the bneed to play games and such anyhow. So I posted some comments and even offered some insight on how games can work for blind gamers as well. So anyway, now some idiots have nothing better to do than to even question how a person like me is even capable of hitting the reply button or be onj the internet. Anyone care to back me up and throw in some pointers there, is greatly appreciated. Here is the direct link ( don't know if it will work with this linkage, if not the thread is called blind guy beats ocarina of time. It is in their off topic department in the forum section). http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27215727t ag=top ics;title --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I agree. You'll never convince them, and they'll continue to be obnoxious for as long as they realize it annoys you. They're not worth your time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Just ignore those idiots. They will keep on doing it on you and the lists, but eventually they would get bored and they would stop being stupid. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl I agree. You'll never convince them, and they'll continue to be obnoxious for as long as they realize it annoys you. They're not worth your time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi all, yes I realize you are probably right, not worth my time. But what irks me to no end is that now I am accused of being a fake poster, 'since when are blind ppl on the computer let alone internet'? can you believe such ignorance. Cannot believe how narrow minded they are in regards to how blind ppl live their lives or disabled ppl in general. I will not even bother to answer them anymore but it is ridiculous that a major game site is run by a bunch of idiotic 12 year olds who do not know their arse from their elbow. Anyway, thanks all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes but that's the point, a lot of games these days are designed for kids with little to no imaginations. That's why they concentrate on graphics only and not the real content itself. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ch.B. Sent: 07 March 2010 17:43 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi all, yes I realize you are probably right, not worth my time. But what irks me to no end is that now I am accused of being a fake poster, 'since when are blind ppl on the computer let alone internet'? can you believe such ignorance. Cannot believe how narrow minded they are in regards to how blind ppl live their lives or disabled ppl in general. I will not even bother to answer them anymore but it is ridiculous that a major game site is run by a bunch of idiotic 12 year olds who do not know their arse from their elbow. Anyway, thanks all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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All of the gamefaqs/gamespot boards in general are known for stupid people, in fact they've got a reputation for it, which is why fan sites for series like Zelda, mega man etc tend to warn people off them (I'm not joking, the mega man network actually did). I'd suggest just reporting said people to the mods, - though the moderation over there isn't great, and finding a better place to discuss the matter, such as a Zelda fan site. Hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Ch.B. chr1...@gmx.de To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi, Kind of unusual request maybe. You all probably read about the blind gamer who had someone help him finish this Zelda ocarina of time game by himself. Now this very topic came up on gamespot messageboard which I go to to read but never posted to. I should have known better. Anyway, ppl on there just cracked jokes and made idiotic comments about why blind ppl feel the bneed to play games and such anyhow. So I posted some comments and even offered some insight on how games can work for blind gamers as well. So anyway, now some idiots have nothing better to do than to even question how a person like me is even capable of hitting the reply button or be onj the internet. Anyone care to back me up and throw in some pointers there, is greatly appreciated. Here is the direct link ( don't know if it will work with this linkage, if not the thread is called blind guy beats ocarina of time. It is in their off topic department in the forum section). http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27215727tag=top ics;title --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Darren, Exactly. I read a gaming article a year or so ago that pretty much boiled down to the same thing. The game industry are targeting young kids with little to know imagination so they put all of the effort into cool sounds and graphics and totally skip the part that a game is suppose to have an engaging and interesting story line. In a nutshell what the article said was that todays video games are being dummed down for people with little imagination, and adding lots of flashy graphics and sounds to make up for their total lack of quality content. However, that doesn't explain their attitudes over on Game Spot. I think what it boils down to is their total inexperience with blind computer users in general. They have grown up with this ignorant assumption that blind people can't play games, can't use computers, we all use braille, count steps, and whatever else the general sighted public thinks of us. It is the kind of attitudes we can't really get rid of until there more of us in the public eye, and unfortunately the ones that will get the most attention is those of us whom we'd rather not be seen or heard. I think you know what I mean. Cheers! On 3/7/10, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Yes but that's the point, a lot of games these days are designed for kids with little to no imaginations. That's why they concentrate on graphics only and not the real content itself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well these days there are games for serious game players, and games for casual graphically obsessed people with no imagination, generally the serious games enthusiasts hate the trend, and indeed that's a chief reason behind the retro gaming movement, games these days are easier, more cinematic, more concentrated on gimics and less on gameplay than in the past, --- -such is the thinking anyway. Interestingly enough, i remember reading a topic on the Angband roguelike forums from someone who was sick of what they called cliched, unsystematics console rpgs, and much preferd roguelikes for that reason, and from a sighted point of view, you don't really get more minimalist in terms of graffics than aski. There are of course stil games, such as the Metroid prime, Final fantasy, Grandia or Mega man series (not counting battle network), which are very much aimed at the old school, serious game playing fraternity, but now it's become a minority interest, rather than being the norm as it was in the past. Indeed I've heard that's why Final fantasy 7 is regarded as one of the best games of all times, it was cinematic enough to catch the eye of the generic kids, but interesting and deep enough in gameplay and plot to keep the die hard gamers happy. Btw, my brother, and various friends of mine are very much die hard gamers, hence my knolidge of the subject. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Yes but that's the point, a lot of games these days are designed for kids with little to no imaginations. That's why they concentrate on graphics only and not the real content itself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yup thomas I totally see what you're saying. It's usually the rockers, the eye pokers that get all the public attention because it's easier to see them. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 07 March 2010 19:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I read a gaming article a year or so ago that pretty much boiled down to the same thing. The game industry are targeting young kids with little to know imagination so they put all of the effort into cool sounds and graphics and totally skip the part that a game is suppose to have an engaging and interesting story line. In a nutshell what the article said was that todays video games are being dummed down for people with little imagination, and adding lots of flashy graphics and sounds to make up for their total lack of quality content. However, that doesn't explain their attitudes over on Game Spot. I think what it boils down to is their total inexperience with blind computer users in general. They have grown up with this ignorant assumption that blind people can't play games, can't use computers, we all use braille, count steps, and whatever else the general sighted public thinks of us. It is the kind of attitudes we can't really get rid of until there more of us in the public eye, and unfortunately the ones that will get the most attention is those of us whom we'd rather not be seen or heard. I think you know what I mean. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Please, Jason I'm not mentioning you, i'm mentioning sighted game developers that which make games. So in short, this message that you are reading, has nothing to do with you. Sighted developers that which develop sited games, they are dumb. They go like, blind people can't read or right, they can't use a computer, and they can't play games. For instants, I had a friend called Nella. we were in year 4 or 3 if i'm not wrong and she really wanted me to play games. Its just some of the people that which are in the 1805 modes, lol! Such as when I was reading an article ages ago probably at January but I can't remember, A game developer has bin sued. I can't remember if it was from pin interactive, but It happened in America for sure. This guy thanked the developer, because of the graphics. But blind people were righting to him to make it a bit blind related game, but the developer didn't listen, and he got edventually sued. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I read a gaming article a year or so ago that pretty much boiled down to the same thing. The game industry are targeting young kids with little to know imagination so they put all of the effort into cool sounds and graphics and totally skip the part that a game is suppose to have an engaging and interesting story line. In a nutshell what the article said was that todays video games are being dummed down for people with little imagination, and adding lots of flashy graphics and sounds to make up for their total lack of quality content. However, that doesn't explain their attitudes over on Game Spot. I think what it boils down to is their total inexperience with blind computer users in general. They have grown up with this ignorant assumption that blind people can't play games, can't use computers, we all use braille, count steps, and whatever else the general sighted public thinks of us. It is the kind of attitudes we can't really get rid of until there more of us in the public eye, and unfortunately the ones that will get the most attention is those of us whom we'd rather not be seen or heard. I think you know what I mean. Cheers! On 3/7/10, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Yes but that's the point, a lot of games these days are designed for kids with little to no imaginations. That's why they concentrate on graphics only and not the real content itself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Plus, the sounds are video and crap made sounds that those developer's make. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Yup thomas I totally see what you're saying. It's usually the rockers, the eye pokers that get all the public attention because it's easier to see them. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 07 March 2010 19:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I read a gaming article a year or so ago that pretty much boiled down to the same thing. The game industry are targeting young kids with little to know imagination so they put all of the effort into cool sounds and graphics and totally skip the part that a game is suppose to have an engaging and interesting story line. In a nutshell what the article said was that todays video games are being dummed down for people with little imagination, and adding lots of flashy graphics and sounds to make up for their total lack of quality content. However, that doesn't explain their attitudes over on Game Spot. I think what it boils down to is their total inexperience with blind computer users in general. They have grown up with this ignorant assumption that blind people can't play games, can't use computers, we all use braille, count steps, and whatever else the general sighted public thinks of us. It is the kind of attitudes we can't really get rid of until there more of us in the public eye, and unfortunately the ones that will get the most attention is those of us whom we'd rather not be seen or heard. I think you know what I mean. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
Not to mention people with other problems. One time I watched a show of 60 minutes where this blind kid could play the piano perfectly, or so the sighted believe, yet can't go to the bathroom independently and needs help. On Mar 7, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Darren Harris wrote: Yup thomas I totally see what you're saying. It's usually the rockers, the eye pokers that get all the public attention because it's easier to see them. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 07 March 2010 19:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl Hi Darren, Exactly. I read a gaming article a year or so ago that pretty much boiled down to the same thing. The game industry are targeting young kids with little to know imagination so they put all of the effort into cool sounds and graphics and totally skip the part that a game is suppose to have an engaging and interesting story line. In a nutshell what the article said was that todays video games are being dummed down for people with little imagination, and adding lots of flashy graphics and sounds to make up for their total lack of quality content. However, that doesn't explain their attitudes over on Game Spot. I think what it boils down to is their total inexperience with blind computer users in general. They have grown up with this ignorant assumption that blind people can't play games, can't use computers, we all use braille, count steps, and whatever else the general sighted public thinks of us. It is the kind of attitudes we can't really get rid of until there more of us in the public eye, and unfortunately the ones that will get the most attention is those of us whom we'd rather not be seen or heard. I think you know what I mean. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
The sad part is hey are not uneducated about disabled people but topics in general. I have been following the game board there for some time and it is amazing how a bunch of kids can be so ignorant about all kinds of stuff. And like I said they come up with stuff like yeah why would anyone without sight want to even play regular games, that would be like a deaf person playing rock band, bla bla. Scary that these kids will one day run all of our countries... lol I should of asked who over there wants to get their sighted butts kicked in a match of tekken by a blind person. I was on both sides of the fence, not being born blind but later in life, but never would I have reacted with nothing but curiousity or if anything with respect for gamers who are so dedicated that they take the time to master a game like that dude did with Zelda. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Help with some ignorant ppl
Hi, just my two cents worth on this subject. Unless you have some thick skin, ignoring them might be the best course of action. it seems that educating them probably won't work. Most in part to the fact that their eyes are open, but their ears are shut. Obviously, they are not picking up what you are putting down. and if the game doesn't play on an X box 360, WE, or playstation 3, it doesn't exist. but if you wish to show them something, think about the game entombed. let them know that Jason Allen, the creator of entombed, is sighted. He has arguably created the most extensive rogue like rpg to date. Give them Jason's website and let them check it out for themselves. The url for entombed is http://www.blind-games.com And, if you really want to take a jab at them, let them know the following: The truth shall set you free. and . If ignorance is bliss, there are a whole lot of happy gamers on this list. Rich --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
