Re: [Audyssey] I give!!!!
As someone who went blind later in life I totally agree. it is very hard to try and learn all there is with screenreaders, braille displays. even more so because to us who had to deal with all this new stuff later in life is like learning to read and write all over. there are also a lot of sighted people who are not that knowledgeable about computers or technical stuff in general. so be patient with the ones just learning. if a mail seems annoying just try and ignore it and move on to the next one. i got helped on here and other lists many times and appreciate everyone that did help, even if it was a question asked for the umpteenth time. if new inexperienced folks get flamed than that might discourage them from playing great audiogames altogether and that would be a shame. regards chrissy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Hello Shadow Dragon, While I certainly understand your position, your frustration, etc I think it is better in the long run if we try to help Anthony rather than attacking him. In my conversations with Anthony on and off list I discovered we are dealing with someone who isn't a very skilled computer user to begin with. Just a few days ago Anthony had a problem selecting items using the combo box on the audiogames.net web site. After talking with him off list I discovered he wasn't aware he needed to press enter on the combo box to get Window Eyes to disable MSAA/forms mode so he can use the combo box on a web page. To some that sounds like a very stupid mistake, some might think of Anthony as an idiot, but he simply has not had the same level of training that some of us had. Therefore we have to walk him through this not assuming anything, taking anything for granted, and when giving instructions give him detailed instructions to him as a totally new user to the computer. Let's put it this way. If you knew someone recently whent blind, gave him/her a new computer with a screen reader on it, would you expect him or her to know how to use the screen reader, browse the web, install games, whatever the first day? Probably not. I know I certainly didn't learn all I know over night. I did however work hard to learn all I could about computers, and years later I am very skilled at using them. Shadow Dragon wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I give!!!!
The trouble is, that to many people just assume that x person can use a given thing. Anybodies knowledge of a given thing is as only as good as the experience and training that they have had with it. There's tons of stuff that I don't know about. And probably won't. that's just life. We all have to learn and help those who need it. I've found especially as I've written my own guides and manuals for certain things, that a lot of manuals, and this is generic, not aimed at anybody or anything, but they tend to assume that the end user will have some knowledge of what ever it is they are trying to use. I had to learn to go right back to scratch, and write the review and manual that I did, from the perspective of someone who had never even herd of the product I was writing about let alone used it. Especially when it comes to computers, the fobias that people have is because of attitudes like, oh you should know this or that. Which can be expressed directly like as we've seen on this list, or in the writing of the varius manuals for x product out there. And this really is half the problem. Doesn't matter whethr you're blind or what ever. Any product is only as good as the manual that comes with it. If the documentation isn't written to a high standard, by that I mean to such a degree that anybody can read and understand it within reason, then quite honestly, people are going to pay money for x product and never gain the full benefit from it. Which to be honest is a waste of an investment. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Chrissy Sent: 29 March 2009 10:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give As someone who went blind later in life I totally agree. it is very hard to try and learn all there is with screenreaders, braille displays. even more so because to us who had to deal with all this new stuff later in life is like learning to read and write all over. there are also a lot of sighted people who are not that knowledgeable about computers or technical stuff in general. so be patient with the ones just learning. if a mail seems annoying just try and ignore it and move on to the next one. i got helped on here and other lists many times and appreciate everyone that did help, even if it was a question asked for the umpteenth time. if new inexperienced folks get flamed than that might discourage them from playing great audiogames altogether and that would be a shame. regards chrissy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Hello Shadow Dragon, While I certainly understand your position, your frustration, etc I think it is better in the long run if we try to help Anthony rather than attacking him. In my conversations with Anthony on and off list I discovered we are dealing with someone who isn't a very skilled computer user to begin with. Just a few days ago Anthony had a problem selecting items using the combo box on the audiogames.net web site. After talking with him off list I discovered he wasn't aware he needed to press enter on the combo box to get Window Eyes to disable MSAA/forms mode so he can use the combo box on a web page. To some that sounds like a very stupid mistake, some might think of Anthony as an idiot, but he simply has not had the same level of training that some of us had. Therefore we have to walk him through this not assuming anything, taking anything for granted, and when giving instructions give him detailed instructions to him as a totally new user to the computer. Let's put it this way. If you knew someone recently whent blind, gave him/her a new computer with a screen reader on it, would you expect him or her to know how to use the screen reader, browse the web, install games, whatever the first day? Probably not. I know I certainly didn't learn all I know over night. I did however work hard to learn all I could about computers, and years later I am very skilled at using them. Shadow Dragon wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies
Re: [Audyssey] I give!!!!
I agree. Manuals for audiogames are pretty good. But manuals for other products - some of them have such complicated words I get tung tied in the first few minutes of reading it or if its being read to me. It also doesn't help that so many games require this, and another game required that, then another program doesn't like that being installed so it has to be replaced...etc. I didn't get into audiogames until around 2006 myself, and it sure has been a long road. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give The trouble is, that to many people just assume that x person can use a given thing. Anybodies knowledge of a given thing is as only as good as the experience and training that they have had with it. There's tons of stuff that I don't know about. And probably won't. that's just life. We all have to learn and help those who need it. I've found especially as I've written my own guides and manuals for certain things, that a lot of manuals, and this is generic, not aimed at anybody or anything, but they tend to assume that the end user will have some knowledge of what ever it is they are trying to use. I had to learn to go right back to scratch, and write the review and manual that I did, from the perspective of someone who had never even herd of the product I was writing about let alone used it. Especially when it comes to computers, the fobias that people have is because of attitudes like, oh you should know this or that. Which can be expressed directly like as we've seen on this list, or in the writing of the varius manuals for x product out there. And this really is half the problem. Doesn't matter whethr you're blind or what ever. Any product is only as good as the manual that comes with it. If the documentation isn't written to a high standard, by that I mean to such a degree that anybody can read and understand it within reason, then quite honestly, people are going to pay money for x product and never gain the full benefit from it. Which to be honest is a waste of an investment. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Chrissy Sent: 29 March 2009 10:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give As someone who went blind later in life I totally agree. it is very hard to try and learn all there is with screenreaders, braille displays. even more so because to us who had to deal with all this new stuff later in life is like learning to read and write all over. there are also a lot of sighted people who are not that knowledgeable about computers or technical stuff in general. so be patient with the ones just learning. if a mail seems annoying just try and ignore it and move on to the next one. i got helped on here and other lists many times and appreciate everyone that did help, even if it was a question asked for the umpteenth time. if new inexperienced folks get flamed than that might discourage them from playing great audiogames altogether and that would be a shame. regards chrissy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Hello Shadow Dragon, While I certainly understand your position, your frustration, etc I think it is better in the long run if we try to help Anthony rather than attacking him. In my conversations with Anthony on and off list I discovered we are dealing with someone who isn't a very skilled computer user to begin with. Just a few days ago Anthony had a problem selecting items using the combo box on the audiogames.net web site. After talking with him off list I discovered he wasn't aware he needed to press enter on the combo box to get Window Eyes to disable MSAA/forms mode so he can use the combo box on a web page. To some that sounds like a very stupid mistake, some might think of Anthony as an idiot, but he simply has not had the same level of training that some of us had. Therefore we have to walk him through this not assuming anything, taking anything for granted, and when giving instructions give him detailed instructions to him as a totally new user to the computer. Let's put it this way. If you knew someone recently whent blind, gave him/her a new computer with a screen reader on it, would you expect him or her to know how to use the screen reader, browse the web, install games, whatever the first day? Probably not. I know I certainly didn't learn all I know
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Well this is the whole point, to be honest this is the 1 thing that consoles have got over pc's because you just slap the game in for the most part and off you go. Although now even they are getting stupid now!! So much so that have you seen the amount of retro stuff there is about now? Everybody seems to want all the older games. Not the vamped up stuff you get now. Which I'm glad to see -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Constantine Sent: 29 March 2009 16:00 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give I agree. Manuals for audiogames are pretty good. But manuals for other products - some of them have such complicated words I get tung tied in the first few minutes of reading it or if its being read to me. It also doesn't help that so many games require this, and another game required that, then another program doesn't like that being installed so it has to be replaced...etc. I didn't get into audiogames until around 2006 myself, and it sure has been a long road. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give The trouble is, that to many people just assume that x person can use a given thing. Anybodies knowledge of a given thing is as only as good as the experience and training that they have had with it. There's tons of stuff that I don't know about. And probably won't. that's just life. We all have to learn and help those who need it. I've found especially as I've written my own guides and manuals for certain things, that a lot of manuals, and this is generic, not aimed at anybody or anything, but they tend to assume that the end user will have some knowledge of what ever it is they are trying to use. I had to learn to go right back to scratch, and write the review and manual that I did, from the perspective of someone who had never even herd of the product I was writing about let alone used it. Especially when it comes to computers, the fobias that people have is because of attitudes like, oh you should know this or that. Which can be expressed directly like as we've seen on this list, or in the writing of the varius manuals for x product out there. And this really is half the problem. Doesn't matter whethr you're blind or what ever. Any product is only as good as the manual that comes with it. If the documentation isn't written to a high standard, by that I mean to such a degree that anybody can read and understand it within reason, then quite honestly, people are going to pay money for x product and never gain the full benefit from it. Which to be honest is a waste of an investment. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Chrissy Sent: 29 March 2009 10:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give As someone who went blind later in life I totally agree. it is very hard to try and learn all there is with screenreaders, braille displays. even more so because to us who had to deal with all this new stuff later in life is like learning to read and write all over. there are also a lot of sighted people who are not that knowledgeable about computers or technical stuff in general. so be patient with the ones just learning. if a mail seems annoying just try and ignore it and move on to the next one. i got helped on here and other lists many times and appreciate everyone that did help, even if it was a question asked for the umpteenth time. if new inexperienced folks get flamed than that might discourage them from playing great audiogames altogether and that would be a shame. regards chrissy - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Hello Shadow Dragon, While I certainly understand your position, your frustration, etc I think it is better in the long run if we try to help Anthony rather than attacking him. In my conversations with Anthony on and off list I discovered we are dealing with someone who isn't a very skilled computer user to begin with. Just a few days ago Anthony had a problem selecting items using the combo box on the audiogames.net web site. After talking with him off list I discovered he wasn't aware he needed to press enter on the combo box to get Window Eyes to disable MSAA/forms mode so he can use the combo box on a web
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thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony At 04:07 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote: Direct X should do the trick. Insure also that you're running windows XP because if not, most audio games won't run, either on windows 98 or vista. So check XP and direct X and you should be cool. Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list. My email address is nick.he...@gmail.com. Best, Nick On 3/26/09, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tony, Before you decide to toss in the towel let's try and trouble shoot this problem shall we? Like what exactly is happening when you install the games. What steps have you done so far and what were your results. Understand there is lots of room for error here since you aren't experienced with audio games, installing them, etc and we need details, details, details. Some other things to think about. When was the last time you upgraded Windows? Do you have the latest DirectX components? Does your computer meet all requirements listed for the game or games? Point I am getting at there could be some very common computer issues here that could be giving you problems such as not having a new enough DirectX release, maybe your Windows version is out of date and requires patches from Microsoft to be downloaded/installed, etc. Some, probably, most of us apply DirectX upgrades, Windows updates, etc frequently so usually don't run into issues with these games. HTH Anthony Vitale wrote: Well I'm on approximately my 7 or 8th day of trying to experience the wonderful world of audio games (snicker). Of the two games I have downloaded haven't heard one peep except for my own screen reader. the games are from the audiogames list World of legends and Descent into madness (the latter appropriate for the situation). Guess it just isn't happening. Haven't worked this hard since trying to pull my pet bob cat out of a fifty foot well by his tail.(snicker). Well if I can't figure it out soon I may just decide to remove myself from your list and give up. (oh well) Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Listen to my weekly talk radio show every Tuesday night starting at 8 P.M pacific daylight time, 7 P.M standerd time. To listen, point your browser over to http://freecast.co.ukSkype Name: Nickster919 blog: http://chatter8712.klango.net klango name: chatter8712 Phone: 360-526-6509. Call the above number to get on the ir during my weekly show or to leave a message when I'm not on the air! Also, keep tabs on me through twitter. http://twitter.com/Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I give!!!!
Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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If I were a moderator, I would not consider this very good advice as flaming. Thanks. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
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oh well I get it it is fine for those older members of the list to instult and be rude to new people and If some new members with a mesure of intelligence who requires explicit instructions like the rest of the normal world should must be put in their place huh,(another arrogant indovidual , I just cant believe it) YourGOOD FRIEND Tony .t 02:44 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
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buddy, I've been quite quiet here, but your the one who needs to think before speeking. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give oh well I get it it is fine for those older members of the list to instult and be rude to new people and If some new members with a mesure of intelligence who requires explicit instructions like the rest of the normal world should must be put in their place huh,(another arrogant indovidual , I just cant believe it) YourGOOD FRIEND Tony .t 02:44 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe
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I'm not officially a mod (well not on this list anyway), but might I suggest that everyone calm down here. Understanding and downloading requirements for games can be a rather daunting task when new to the hole business, I certainly had issues myself, and I imagine a dile up connection just inflates the situation, I can't think of anything more frustrating thajn spending hours downloading a game only for it not to work. I myself have asked for assistance on tech matters on many occasions, and surely that's one of the main purposes of lists like this one. On the other hand however, when asking a list of people dedicated to a specialist interest such as audiogames for advice, it might be a better idea to phrase things in the form of questions, than diatribes against audiogames in general, however frustrated a person might be with things which don't appear to work. Might I now suggest that everyone just relaxes, and leaves such details as who is or is not a victim, and educational level out of the debate! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give oh well I get it it is fine for those older members of the list to instult and be rude to new people and If some new members with a mesure of intelligence who requires explicit instructions like the rest of the normal world should must be put in their place huh,(another arrogant indovidual , I just cant believe it) YourGOOD FRIEND Tony .t 02:44 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though
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Hey Tony, Actually, the .NET Framework is only required for newer games such as Rail Racer, Mysteries of the Ancients, 3D Velocity, and some other games built using the Microsoft .NET platform. You will find many older games by GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, and others are written in Visual Basic 6 and can be installed and run on XP without any additional components to be installed. Hope this helps. Anthony Vitale wrote: thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello Shadow Dragon, While I certainly understand your position, your frustration, etc I think it is better in the long run if we try to help Anthony rather than attacking him. In my conversations with Anthony on and off list I discovered we are dealing with someone who isn't a very skilled computer user to begin with. Just a few days ago Anthony had a problem selecting items using the combo box on the audiogames.net web site. After talking with him off list I discovered he wasn't aware he needed to press enter on the combo box to get Window Eyes to disable MSAA/forms mode so he can use the combo box on a web page. To some that sounds like a very stupid mistake, some might think of Anthony as an idiot, but he simply has not had the same level of training that some of us had. Therefore we have to walk him through this not assuming anything, taking anything for granted, and when giving instructions give him detailed instructions to him as a totally new user to the computer. Let's put it this way. If you knew someone recently whent blind, gave him/her a new computer with a screen reader on it, would you expect him or her to know how to use the screen reader, browse the web, install games, whatever the first day? Probably not. I know I certainly didn't learn all I know over night. I did however work hard to learn all I could about computers, and years later I am very skilled at using them. Shadow Dragon wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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No, but what he is trying to say makes sense. And he's saying it in a nice way, too. Rather than argue and make waves, listen to and take the suggestions and information in the spirit in which it is being given. Nobody else is trying to make an enemy, so don't do so, either. Thanks. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give oh well I get it it is fine for those older members of the list to instult and be rude to new people and If some new members with a mesure of intelligence who requires explicit instructions like the rest of the normal world should must be put in their place huh,(another arrogant indovidual , I just cant believe it) YourGOOD FRIEND Tony .t 02:44 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one
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Hi again Charles, I have been except for the ones that have taken rudeness as a way of communicating their displeasure with my inability to know what they already know. There have been plenty of others that have been kind and helpful, and demonstrate some level of highr education besides their ability to play games. The ones that continue to circle like sharks in bloody waters ,well I have the ability to respond in kind (but would rather not . Your friend TonyAt 08:14 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: No, but what he is trying to say makes sense. And he's saying it in a nice way, too. Rather than argue and make waves, listen to and take the suggestions and information in the spirit in which it is being given. Nobody else is trying to make an enemy, so don't do so, either. Thanks. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give oh well I get it it is fine for those older members of the list to instult and be rude to new people and If some new members with a mesure of intelligence who requires explicit instructions like the rest of the normal world should must be put in their place huh,(another arrogant indovidual , I just cant believe it) YourGOOD FRIEND Tony .t 02:44 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament and probably a few others. Usually the truly good ones have some requirements attached to them though. -- From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject
Re: [Audyssey] I give!!!!
THANK YOU AGAIN YOU EXPRESSED MY SITUATION EXACTLY. FRIEND Your friend Tony At 04:15 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: I'm not officially a mod (well not on this list anyway), but might I suggest that everyone calm down here. Understanding and downloading requirements for games can be a rather daunting task when new to the hole business, I certainly had issues myself, and I imagine a dile up connection just inflates the situation, I can't think of anything more frustrating thajn spending hours downloading a game only for it not to work. I myself have asked for assistance on tech matters on many occasions, and surely that's one of the main purposes of lists like this one. On the other hand however, when asking a list of people dedicated to a specialist interest such as audiogames for advice, it might be a better idea to phrase things in the form of questions, than diatribes against audiogames in general, however frustrated a person might be with things which don't appear to work. Might I now suggest that everyone just relaxes, and leaves such details as who is or is not a victim, and educational level out of the debate! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give oh well I get it it is fine for those older members of the list to instult and be rude to new people and If some new members with a mesure of intelligence who requires explicit instructions like the rest of the normal world should must be put in their place huh,(another arrogant indovidual , I just cant believe it) YourGOOD FRIEND Tony .t 02:44 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hi This is getting nowhere. What he's trying to say is that reading system requirements is one of the most important things you can do. But flaming back is no way to make friends on this list, and people are trying to help you - but its advice nonetheless and you can probably learn from it. I use an alias for my name too, and a lot of others do, too. Shrug its a way to keep your name private - maybe I don't want people to know my name, after all, IP addresses are tracable... contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I give Well a very good day to you to Mr. Shadow Dragon, Your note demonstrates a lot of arrogance for someone who uses an alias instead of their own name to represent themselves. I suppose when you by an item that needs assembly you hope the instructions/directions are in some foreign language you have to guess at, or maybe have no directions at all so that you can guess how to assemble the item.(snicker) If I wanted to play with a puzzle instead of following instructions I would have done that instead of asking for help (makes sense to me). I have a masters degree in counseling and don't really need advice about victimization . I wonder besides being a grate game player which I think you must probably be would you mind telling me just exactly what level of education or psychological degree you hold to place labels like victim on people you don't even know. You really aught to look up the work arrogant and see if your picture is there next to it in the dictionary. Sorry you had to write that dumb note to me I would rather communicate with nice people Your friend Tony ps don't forget to let me know your level of education not just your brillance in game playing! At 12:35 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Most games give system requirements, and installation instructions, and a lot is covered on just about every audiogames page thanks in part to dark, richard and a few others. Had you just taken the time to explore the audiogames website and read some game documentation instead of trying things for about 2 seconds, giving up and acting like a victim like you're doing now, you probably would have been in business long ago. I can understand that not everyone is a computer jenius, and odds are I don't have too many friends here due in part to a fiasco on my part a while back, but I don't like to see others blamed for one person's falts. So take it easy, quit playing the role of a victim and you'll get a lot farther in what you try to do. Appologies to the mods for borderline flaming. Having said that there are a lot of online games and offline text games such as world of legends that can be played without framework and other such things, as well as very basic games like tournament
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Thanks Thomas I am already into 20 hours of downloads for the framework if I stop now my wife will think I am completely nuts . For now she thinks that I am only half nuts.(snicker) Tony At 05:28 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote: Hey Tony, Actually, the .NET Framework is only required for newer games such as Rail Racer, Mysteries of the Ancients, 3D Velocity, and some other games built using the Microsoft .NET platform. You will find many older games by GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, and others are written in Visual Basic 6 and can be installed and run on XP without any additional components to be installed. Hope this helps. Anthony Vitale wrote: thanks Nick for your offer, I am finally getting it. it would have been fairly simple if in the begining someone had written and said you absolutely need direct x and the microsoft framwork and explained what they were Then told me where I might locate them. I have a dialup connection so I am on my third night of downloading the microsoft framwork because it is so huge and I don't want to tie up my phone for 35 hours in a row. As far as direct x I'll get that in one night but the confusion could have all been avoided had someone given me simple specific information and dirrections for what I needed. I finally got enough pointers and the correct direction, so thanks to those who helped. Well it is almost done now and after this I should be ready to try some games, maybe the ones I downloaded . Thanks for your help Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] I give!!!!
Well I'm on approximately my 7 or 8th day of trying to experience the wonderful world of audio games (snicker). Of the two games I have downloaded haven't heard one peep except for my own screen reader. the games are from the audiogames list World of legends and Descent into madness (the latter appropriate for the situation). Guess it just isn't happening. Haven't worked this hard since trying to pull my pet bob cat out of a fifty foot well by his tail.(snicker). Well if I can't figure it out soon I may just decide to remove myself from your list and give up. (oh well) Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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One thing you needd to remember is that for audio games you should turn off your screen reader before you start them, or chances are you won't hear anything unless you happen to have a multichannel sound card. And anyway your screen reader needs to be off or it'll interfere with the game's keyboard commands. I'd also make sure you have the latest version of DirectX on yor computer since that could also be what's causing your problems. Don't give up so easily. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: [Audyssey] I give Well I'm on approximately my 7 or 8th day of trying to experience the wonderful world of audio games (snicker). Of the two games I have downloaded haven't heard one peep except for my own screen reader. the games are from the audiogames list World of legends and Descent into madness (the latter appropriate for the situation). Guess it just isn't happening. Haven't worked this hard since trying to pull my pet bob cat out of a fifty foot well by his tail.(snicker). Well if I can't figure it out soon I may just decide to remove myself from your list and give up. (oh well) Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tony, Before you decide to toss in the towel let's try and trouble shoot this problem shall we? Like what exactly is happening when you install the games. What steps have you done so far and what were your results. Understand there is lots of room for error here since you aren't experienced with audio games, installing them, etc and we need details, details, details. Some other things to think about. When was the last time you upgraded Windows? Do you have the latest DirectX components? Does your computer meet all requirements listed for the game or games? Point I am getting at there could be some very common computer issues here that could be giving you problems such as not having a new enough DirectX release, maybe your Windows version is out of date and requires patches from Microsoft to be downloaded/installed, etc. Some, probably, most of us apply DirectX upgrades, Windows updates, etc frequently so usually don't run into issues with these games. HTH Anthony Vitale wrote: Well I'm on approximately my 7 or 8th day of trying to experience the wonderful world of audio games (snicker). Of the two games I have downloaded haven't heard one peep except for my own screen reader. the games are from the audiogames list World of legends and Descent into madness (the latter appropriate for the situation). Guess it just isn't happening. Haven't worked this hard since trying to pull my pet bob cat out of a fifty foot well by his tail.(snicker). Well if I can't figure it out soon I may just decide to remove myself from your list and give up. (oh well) Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Direct X should do the trick. Insure also that you’re running windows XP because if not, most audio games won’t run, either on windows 98 or vista. So check XP and direct X and you should be cool. Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list. My email address is nick.he...@gmail.com. Best, Nick On 3/26/09, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tony, Before you decide to toss in the towel let's try and trouble shoot this problem shall we? Like what exactly is happening when you install the games. What steps have you done so far and what were your results. Understand there is lots of room for error here since you aren't experienced with audio games, installing them, etc and we need details, details, details. Some other things to think about. When was the last time you upgraded Windows? Do you have the latest DirectX components? Does your computer meet all requirements listed for the game or games? Point I am getting at there could be some very common computer issues here that could be giving you problems such as not having a new enough DirectX release, maybe your Windows version is out of date and requires patches from Microsoft to be downloaded/installed, etc. Some, probably, most of us apply DirectX upgrades, Windows updates, etc frequently so usually don't run into issues with these games. HTH Anthony Vitale wrote: Well I'm on approximately my 7 or 8th day of trying to experience the wonderful world of audio games (snicker). Of the two games I have downloaded haven't heard one peep except for my own screen reader. the games are from the audiogames list World of legends and Descent into madness (the latter appropriate for the situation). Guess it just isn't happening. Haven't worked this hard since trying to pull my pet bob cat out of a fifty foot well by his tail.(snicker). Well if I can't figure it out soon I may just decide to remove myself from your list and give up. (oh well) Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Listen to my weekly talk radio show every Tuesday night starting at 8 P.M pacific daylight time, 7 P.M standerd time. To listen, point your browser over to http://freecast.co.ukSkype Name: Nickster919 blog: http://chatter8712.klango.net klango name: chatter8712 Phone: 360-526-6509. Call the above number to get on the ir during my weekly show or to leave a message when I'm not on the air! Also, keep tabs on me through twitter. http://twitter.com/Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Antony. You've chosen some odd games there. World of legends is a text adventure game running in a window, --- so it only does! use your own screen reader. Desent into madness should be self-voicing, but might have a miner problem running the game. Remember there are over 300 audio games, and I suggest you try some others, particularly those from Gma, Usa games, and Draconis. All the commercial games also have demos so are quite alright to try. might I say that quitting this list and audiogames in general would be like putting a toe in the sea, and complaining you haven't crossed the atlantic! Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anthony Vitale avital...@prodigy.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: [Audyssey] I give Well I'm on approximately my 7 or 8th day of trying to experience the wonderful world of audio games (snicker). Of the two games I have downloaded haven't heard one peep except for my own screen reader. the games are from the audiogames list World of legends and Descent into madness (the latter appropriate for the situation). Guess it just isn't happening. Haven't worked this hard since trying to pull my pet bob cat out of a fifty foot well by his tail.(snicker). Well if I can't figure it out soon I may just decide to remove myself from your list and give up. (oh well) Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Nick, Actually, most audio games will run on Vista just fine. It just requires some older DirectX and Visual Basic 6 components to be installed to provide backward support for the games. HTH Nick Helms wrote: Direct X should do the trick. Insure also that you’re running windows XP because if not, most audio games won’t run, either on windows 98 or vista. So check XP and direct X and you should be cool. Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list. My email address is nick.he...@gmail.com. Best, Nick --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] I give up.
I am so fed up. All I want to do is use fs2002, FSNavigator, FSUIPC and PMSounds, but FSUIPC refuses to interface with PMSounds even though it is fully registered. Project magenta don't seem to know why. While I'm on the subject of FS2002 can someone please tell me how to take off? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] i give up!
hi guys. i give up on this sl. i cant get farther. so i've taken up trying to do some cool stuff in GameCheater. So far (and all i want really) is: lives, health and points. for example lets say u had like 20 points. just type in for example 3000 and u will ten have 3000 points. i know, its dirty, its cheating, and i sure as heck am probably not gonna use it; but hey... its still cool. besides i got some time to kill. so i figured why not? by the way, all three values were floats. i dont know why but liam likes using floats. wait a minute. someone said that on audiogames.net and i gotta agree. whoever wants these 3 cheats, if ya got a copy of game cheater, let me know, and i will send it. i can also send the demonstration of the game. to unlock it you have to paste a file into the game cheater folder that the people are supposed to give you. however 15 bucks is over priced... just a little... so... if u want that i could send that. but its illegal to send the .key file but if ya want to... it works, i tried it on my laptop. and also, i am now working on a troopanum cheat list for lives, ships landed, points, and perhaps level. however, i know liam frequently uses floats as data values, so i knew right away to select data type: float. but with troopanum, i have no idea what the data type will be. so it will take a while... but i will do it in the end! if ya guys want this application, let me know. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey. tTrop is impossible to cheat or find any values. too many of each. for example, you have 3 lices when you start so i gh through each data type presented there and type in 3. then i get my fourth life... and there are like 300 of each... how much of one number could a program need! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
