Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi Willem, I debug as I go. That is I write a couple of lines of code or a new section and I press the f5 key to test run the program. So I know right away if the code was written and works the way that I wanted it to. That is one reason that I like to work right in the VB6 IDE. BFN Jim There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ken, I am sorry, but my tag line program is written to work with my Email program. That is the Email program that I wrote for myself. So the tag line program would not work with any commercial Email programs. Sorry about that. BFN Jim If it doesn't say Kitchen's Inc on it. Someone else made it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That is also why it has no real power in programming. At 07:53 AM 1/29/2011, you wrote: all I can say is, oh well. one thing I like about autoit is that I'm not forced to specify variable types. That's also true for vb or purebasic. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Jim, It is not extra work or waisted time/energy. It is generally recommended that you declare variables using the proper data type like integer, string, character, boolean, etc as it will improve memory usage and CPU usage. Every time you declare a variable without specifying its data type you force the runtime environment to interpret your code, and as a result you end up waisting your system resources on runtime interpretation of your code. So it really does not pay to be a lazy programmer. Which is exactly what you are when you don't declare and properly initialize variables. Cheers! __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim. I also program like that, but sometimes a bug don't give an error. That is where coding standards helps me to avoid some easy to make mistakes. and save some time. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Willem Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Willem, I debug as I go. That is I write a couple of lines of code or a new section and I press the f5 key to test run the program. So I know right away if the code was written and works the way that I wanted it to. That is one reason that I like to work right in the VB6 IDE. BFN Jim There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ah, that's right--I should have remembered. Oh well, it makes you unique! Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, I am sorry, but my tag line program is written to work with my Email program. That is the Email program that I wrote for myself. So the tag line program would not work with any commercial Email programs. Sorry about that. BFN Jim If it doesn't say Kitchen's Inc on it. Someone else made it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ken, In my experience as a programmer languages that don't enforce explicit variable declarations always lead to mistakes and poor programming. For example, when writing scripts in Python I've made simple typos that Python accepted without complaint and it was only after running the program/script I discovered it wasn't working right. A quick look at the code revealed I misspelled a variable and Python created a new variable on the stack not knowing that it was a mistake, and thus I unintentionally wrote buggy code. It is things like that which has turned me against languages that don't enforce explicit variable and function declarations. Its both sloppy coding and can lead to unnecessary mistakes. When given the choice I'd always prefer to have a language like C++, Java, etc that enforces strict capitalization rules and explicit variable declarations. Cheers! On 1/28/11, Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: Ok, for example, in coding for 3d you have to write something like heli3d.setposition 5, 0, 5, ds3d_immediate Well, I came across three different variants I hadn't realized were even there. First I had ds3d - immediate, in another place I had ds3d_imeediate and somewhere else I had d3d_immediate. The option explicit made me see all those problems and fix them. I am using NVDA, and wordpad to do the programming, so the punctuation wasn't spoken--and it would drive me nuts if it were, so I missed all that. The option explicit is like a net. Yeah, having to declare variables is a pain, but I think it saves some time in the long run. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Well, there are a number of ways you can run into errors by not using an explicit variable declaration.Usually, caused by accidental typos and things like that. For example, you are writing a Blackjack or Poker game. You have a variable called myCard. Of course, there are a lot of variations on that like MyCard, my_card, mycard, etc. If you are typing along and forget the exact way it was written earlier Visual Basic 6, Python, and various other languages won't flag the misspelled variable and will simply create a new variable on the stack. Not cool as this can lead to runtime errors. The other issue is simply memory leaks. If you use explicit variable declarations like integer, double, float, boolean, etc it sets aside a specified amount of memory for that specific variable. If you don't declare your variables you are waisting memory left and right. If every single developer did that a 3 GHZ system would run like a 300 MHZ system just because the computer would have to interpret every single variable, in every single program, and waiste CPU power and ram doing so. While not an error per say it is still a very nasty habit to get into because it will eventually result in a reduction in system performance. It is just not very good coding practice is what I'm telling you. HTH On 1/28/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
all I can say is, oh well. one thing I like about autoit is that I'm not forced to specify variable types. That's also true for vb or purebasic. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Jim, It is not extra work or waisted time/energy. It is generally recommended that you declare variables using the proper data type like integer, string, character, boolean, etc as it will improve memory usage and CPU usage. Every time you declare a variable without specifying its data type you force the runtime environment to interpret your code, and as a result you end up waisting your system resources on runtime interpretation of your code. So it really does not pay to be a lazy programmer. Which is exactly what you are when you don't declare and properly initialize variables. Cheers! __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Well, I'm sure you know my opinion of AutoIt. To be canded the language is absolute trash. It was never designed to do vidio games, and isn't worth using for even generic programming let alone anything as safisticated like a high quality vidio game. Cheers! On 1/29/11, Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: all I can say is, oh well. one thing I like about autoit is that I'm not forced to specify variable types. That's also true for vb or purebasic. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Auto it is rubbish. It can't do advanced programming. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download all I can say is, oh well. one thing I like about autoit is that I'm not forced to specify variable types. That's also true for vb or purebasic. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Jim, It is not extra work or waisted time/energy. It is generally recommended that you declare variables using the proper data type like integer, string, character, boolean, etc as it will improve memory usage and CPU usage. Every time you declare a variable without specifying its data type you force the runtime environment to interpret your code, and as a result you end up waisting your system resources on runtime interpretation of your code. So it really does not pay to be a lazy programmer. Which is exactly what you are when you don't declare and properly initialize variables. Cheers! __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi, I'm not sure what the whole ruckess is about declaring variables. It just takes a few more keystrokes. It's like we're telling you to program a new wrapper each time you use DirectX. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:25 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Auto it is rubbish. It can't do advanced programming. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download all I can say is, oh well. one thing I like about autoit is that I'm not forced to specify variable types. That's also true for vb or purebasic. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Jim, It is not extra work or waisted time/energy. It is generally recommended that you declare variables using the proper data type like integer, string, character, boolean, etc as it will improve memory usage and CPU usage. Every time you declare a variable without specifying its data type you force the runtime environment to interpret your code, and as a result you end up waisting your system resources on runtime interpretation of your code. So it really does not pay to be a lazy programmer. Which is exactly what you are when you don't declare and properly initialize variables. Cheers! __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, To be honest I just think some people are lazy. They dont want to take the time to do int myVariable = 0; which would properly initialize an integer variable in most C-style languages and would rather just create a variable on the fly like myVariable = 0 rather than taking the extra time to properly initialize it. I've been programming long enough now that declaring my variables is like second nature. I don't even think about not doing it. Smile. On 1/29/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm not sure what the whole ruckess is about declaring variables. It just takes a few more keystrokes. It's like we're telling you to program a new wrapper each time you use DirectX. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Could someone do an Audio Review for Heli? I thought I had it figured out but I'm obviously missing something somewhere. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ken the Crazy Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:17 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Well Jim, I think you do wonderfully. I'm not a fan of the option explicit myself, but since this is the first 3d audio game I've ever made, much less seen code for, it helped to figure out what I was doing wrong. Also, I learned another valuable lesson: don't load your directx components in the form load sub. If you do, you won't be able to move the listener. By the way, the newest Heli is on its way. Just added wind speed, so if you're going fast you hear it as it passes through the wind. Not so realistic for a toy helicopter, but cool anyway, and if I make a full-on helicopter sim sometime I'll have the code handy. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Hmmm...I'm not really sure why you are so against optionExplicit. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:51 AM To: Ken the Crazy Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ok, for example, in coding for 3d you have to write something like heli3d.setposition 5, 0, 5, ds3d_immediate Well, I came across three different variants I hadn't realized were even there. First I had ds3d - immediate, in another place I had ds3d_imeediate and somewhere else I had d3d_immediate. The option explicit made me see all those problems and fix them. I am using NVDA, and wordpad to do the programming, so the punctuation wasn't spoken--and it would drive me nuts if it were, so I missed all that. The option explicit is like a net. Yeah, having to declare variables is a pain, but I think it saves some time in the long run. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, I guess that I am so against option Explicit because to me it is just extra work and extra code and extra space for something that to me is just that. More later to Ken. TGIF and BFN Jim We waste more time by 8:00 in the morning than other companies do all day. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim. For me, debugging is usually the part of programming that takes the most time. I don't use visual basic, but I understand why you would rather be safe than sorry, especially considering how easy it is to make a typo. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well Jim, I think you do wonderfully. I'm not a fan of the option explicit myself, but since this is the first 3d audio game I've ever made, much less seen code for, it helped to figure out what I was doing wrong. Also, I learned another valuable lesson: don't load your directx components in the form load sub. If you do, you won't be able to move the listener. By the way, the newest Heli is on its way. Just added wind speed, so if you're going fast you hear it as it passes through the wind. Not so realistic for a toy helicopter, but cool anyway, and if I make a full-on helicopter sim sometime I'll have the code handy. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, I love those tag lines! Could you make the program you created for those available? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey Ken. what's the websight for Dreamtech Interactive? many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hey, I love those tag lines! Could you make the program you created for those available? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, It is not extra work or waisted time/energy. It is generally recommended that you declare variables using the proper data type like integer, string, character, boolean, etc as it will improve memory usage and CPU usage. Every time you declare a variable without specifying its data type you force the runtime environment to interpret your code, and as a result you end up waisting your system resources on runtime interpretation of your code. So it really does not pay to be a lazy programmer. Which is exactly what you are when you don't declare and properly initialize variables. Cheers! On 1/28/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Hayden, I guess that I am so against option Explicit because to me it is just extra work and extra code and extra space for something that to me is just that. More later to Ken. TGIF and BFN Jim We waste more time by 8:00 in the morning than other companies do all day. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] New Heli available for download
OK, the next Heli is here. Go to http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13071564/heli.zip Now, you get hit by the fan blades if you're too close, no matter what key you are pressing. You can actually smash the light bulb. Now, you can press the P key and change your point of view. Default is still external, but now you can fly from within Heli. Sure, it's unrealistic, but very cool. Fixed a lot of big and small errors. (If you're gonna program in VB6, always write option explicit as your first line of code, or you'll slip by with bad errors.) Still struggling to get Doppler working. Sometimes, it does and sometimes not--I don't understand at all. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.