The other side of that is software the companies use. Not all of it
is useable by a screen reader. There are not enough knowledgeable
assessable programmers out there to make it useable. Some of those
coders just squeak by and hope you don't get fired over it. Just
because its for
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Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:44 PM
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Hi Jacob,
Yes, I've seen plenty of people like that as well. Back when I was in
college and discovered Audyssey and Audiogames.net i began telling others
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
I know, but these people have most likely seen someone like that famous
russian chess player who just played quite a few games at the same time,
but I suppose they reckon he was still scanning the boards or something.
Fact is I know
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Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:34 AM
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Interestingly enough Tom, because I have many friends who are very active
gamers, and because I also play older graphical games, I've had
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Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:20 PM
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The awareness stuff sounds good Jacob, but bare in mind that thus
far, only audio quake
Hi Jacob,
Yes, I've seen plenty of people like that as well. Back when I was in
college and discovered Audyssey and Audiogames.net i began telling
others about it. The general reaction was I don't be leave that could
be possible. How could you play games by sound alone?
The thing is weather
Interestingly enough Tom, because I have many friends who are very active
gamers, and because I also play older graphical games, I've had a fair
few discussions on the subject.
Once on the forum of retroremakes.com I started a topic about including
audio remakes on their site along with
in the long run.
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Sent: 04 December 2009 00:59
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yeah games are secondary, fair enough I
...'
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
I admit I'm a litle jaded on the work subject, sinse I've seen too many
cases of blind
: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
yeah games are secondary, fair enough I suppose.
don't lose heart though, we are not out the woods yet.
I know for example that mushclient can work direct with jaws and windoweyes
and a map exists for lonewolf in hal 5 and later. I think though
, but not his spirit...'
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From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za
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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:47 AM
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HI Tom and all
Sorry, I came into this thread
Hi Dark,
Yes, in deedd it would be a good idea. Some sort of promo cd with game
trailers would help out a lot as people wouldn't have to play the games,
but could listen to someone else playing and explaining the games to them.
dark wrote:
That would indeed be a good idea, especially if
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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:44 AM
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Hi Dark,
Yes, in deedd it would be a good idea. Some sort of promo cd with game
trailers would help out a lot as people wouldn't have to play the games
Hi Phil,
I've seen quite a lot of that sort of mentality among state agencies and
among certain blind computer users myself. I think that attitude comes
from the fact so many blind employees have to work twice as hard to get
anywhere in the business world, to over come various mainstream
Sent: 03 December 2009 13:46
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Hi all
I'd also suggest a cd could be done with some demo games and perhaps a few
issues of Audyssey. Then not only would the person have the games to
continue with but info
Hi David,
Very interesting post. Yeah, that was my impresssion as well. some of
these larger more well known agencies tend to stress the blind image as
a hard working, respectible, better than average person a bit too far. A
good case in point is one of the rules I saw in the Seeing Eye's
Hi Dark,
We have the same problem here on this side of the pond as well. High
unemployment rates among the visually impaired, several with excellent
credentials but no jobs to match, and only a handful manage to make it
into a job somewhere. Our unemployment rates national sucks anyway, but
hello Tom.
To an extent I understand this mentality, sinse as I said in my other
message it's been one I've always been strict about in my grants.
my first laptop for uni, as well as Hal etc was provided by my local
education authority.
While I certainly would not spend any of their
Hi Charles,
Your guess is as good as mine. I imagine the agencies are primarily
focussed on work and business so devote all of their funding and
interests into that endever. They see what they do, trying to get blind
people employed by giving them computers for work in school, is more
: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
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Sent: 03 December 2009 17:27
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Hi Charles,
Your guess is as good as mine. I imagine the agencies
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Hi Charles,
Your guess is as good as mine. I imagine the agencies are primarily
focussed on work
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Hi Darren,
That's quite true. Games like Tank Commander, Shades of Doom, Sarah, and
Mysteries of the Ancients are beginning to catch up with there
mainstream counter parts, and just getting the message
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From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi thomas,
Absolutely true. Also the thing with these types of conventions
Hi Dark,
Well, at this point I'm not sure how much actual advertising we need. I
think the big picture, as has been said before, is to get the word out
that good high quality games exist. By showing off game x and letting a
few blind people try them, perhaps let their friends and family see
Hi Dark,
I do see your point. Although, perhaps we could prepare some audio
trailers of different games to let people here some of the more complex
games being played in action. Just a few short clips of what they could
get into if they were to play this or that game.
dark wrote:
It is a
.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark,
Well, at this point I'm not sure how much actual advertising we
was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark,
I do see your point. Although, perhaps we could prepare some audio
trailers of different games to let people here some of the more complex
games being played in action. Just a few short clips of what they could
get into if they were to play this or that game
Hi Darren,
That's all too true. I have talked to some agencies locally about
perhaps promoting my games and they basically said no for that exact
reason. A lot of these local dealers who sell computers with Jaws,
Openbook, etc to BSVI have no interest in promoting my games, because
they
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:49 PM
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Hi Darren,
That's all too true. I have talked to some agencies locally about
perhaps promoting my games and they basically said no for that exact
reason. A lot
: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Darren,
That's all too true. I have talked to some agencies locally about
perhaps promoting my games and they basically said no for that exact
reason. A lot of these local dealers who sell computers with Jaws,
Openbook, etc to BSVI have
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:49 PM
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Hi Darren,
That's all too true. I have talked to some agencies locally about
perhaps promoting my games and they basically said
Hi Tom.
Well on a financial or charitable footing I can understand that a litle.
I myself have an equipment grant to pay for university gear to help me in my
studdies. It would however be just plane wrong of me to use it to further my
entertainment desires.
So, when the grant was used to
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:49 PM
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Hi Darren,
That's all too true. I have talked to some agencies locally about
perhaps promoting my games and they basically said
I admit I'm a litle jaded on the work subject, sinse I've seen too many
cases of blind people who have nothing but a high education, no social
abilities, and just endlessly apply for jobs to be given excuses.
Sinse employers cannot legally say we're worried about employing a visually
impared
Hi Dark,
Well, I guess the main reason would be that there are a number of blind
conferences of one kind or another throughout the year like ACB, NFB,
Closing the Gap, etc so there are plenty of them, but it just so happens
they are in places too far for me to travel to very easily. There are
Hi Phil,
That is a pretty disheartening state of affairs if you put all that time
and money into marketing and get such a lukewarm response for your
troubles. It would be interesting to know how well James North did with
his booths, or if he had the same problem you did.
Phil Vlasak wrote:
this a
clue for agencies who buy computers for blind people? Duh??
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen
, will be made aware about accessible games.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 02 December 2009 06:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark
Hi Dark,
I think if you could pull that off that would be a great idea. We have
something similar here in the states called Closing the Gap, but it
would be way to expensive to actually go there and setup a booth. That
would be a great place to introduce lots of several accessible games,
but
Hi Dark,
Well, if you could get a ball park figure of what it would cost to send
you to Sight Village, to get a booth, etc that would be a good start. if
need be perhaps we could organize a number of accessible game developers
and each pay a certain amount to sponser you. By sponsering you in
Hi Darren,
That's my thought as well. If certain developers sponsor Dark's trip to
sight village then it also gives him a focus what games to demo. If GMA
helps sponsor Dark then they get some demonstration time. If Draconis
does some Sponsoring then they get some demonstration time as well.
Hi Scott,
Yes, I do believe Agrip did go to Sight Village at least once. That
would have been before Michael's accident so would have been quite a
while ago, and Audio Quake would not have been as far along then as it
is now.
Scott Chesworth wrote:
Hey Dark,
Didn't Agrip do a trip to Sight
Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 01 December 2009 19:31
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Hi Darren,
That's my thought as well. If certain developers sponsor Dark's trip to
sight village then it also gives him a focus what games to demo. If GMA
helps
Hi Dark,
Hmmm...That's a good point. Something like Shades of Doom, Sarah, and
even Mysteries of the Ancients isn't something you can get the hang of
in a short one to five minute preview. At least not like with Q9 that is
so simple you can practically pick it up and play it without the
going
to be that much interest generated.
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 01 December 2009 19:43
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark
Hi Dark,
As I believe Michael's accident happened in 2006 he would have been
there at Sight Village on behalf of Agrip around 2004 or 2005. Just
prier to your discovery of Audessy.org, audiogames.net, and all the rest
of us out here on the net.
dark wrote:
Hi Scot.
Well I'm not sure,
Hi Darren,
That's quite true. Games like Tank Commander, Shades of Doom, Sarah, and
Mysteries of the Ancients are beginning to catch up with there
mainstream counter parts, and just getting the message out there that we
can play rather sifisticated games should be the over all message. I
know
.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark,
I think if you could pull that off that would be a great idea. We
Hi Dark,
Well, the primary financial issue with Closing the Gap is travel
expenses plus room and board for the time it is going on. Unlike you,
who can get to Sight Village within a hour by train, I'd have to book a
flight to go there and back. Plus pay for food, a hotel room, and any
other
, 2009 7:43 PM
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Hi Dark,
Hmmm...That's a good point. Something like Shades of Doom, Sarah, and even
Mysteries of the Ancients isn't something you can get the hang of in a
short one to five minute preview. At least not like with Q9
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Hi,
No but at least by showing said games off you're showing the capabilities
that are on offer with an audio game. You're proving that it's not just
: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:25 PM
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Hi Dark,
Well, if you could get a ball park figure of what it would cost to send
you to Sight Village, to get a booth, etc that would be a good start. if
need be perhaps we could organize a number
Hmmm Tom, the question does occur to me why the organizers of the closing
the gap conference don't just organize more events.
there is a sight village in scotland which indeed would be an hour by train
from Durham, one in bermingham which would be about four hours (though sinse
my parents
Hi Dark,
I have some experience trying to interest blind people about audio games at
blind conventions.
In July 1999, Carl and I traveled to the ACB convention in Los Angeles
promoting our Pacman, Space Invaders and six other games that were self
voicing.
We did the same at the NFB
sounds. Headsets won't do that.
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:13 PM
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It is a miner problem Tom.
I could
.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark,
I have some experience trying to interest
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:54 AM
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I would think that, to grab attention, headsets should not be used. Games
should be played by people, and speakers should be used so that people
nearby would be attracted by the sounds
Hello Tom.
This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight
village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies,
charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while
lots of people turn up and look.
Not once though have I seen
.
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Behalf Of dark
Sent: 30 November 2009 17:23
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Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hello Tom.
This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:26 PM
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Hi,
This is a brilliant idea.
The problem is that there's no real form of advertising for these games
and
some of them are absolutely fantastic and a ton of work goes
to be
an insentive for doing it or some of the cost has to be covered.
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Behalf Of dark
Sent: 30 November 2009 17:34
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Well, I've checked the site village information. It turns out there's
actually an exhibition in edinboughr in march, which is literally only an
hour on the train from where I am (though Bermingham isn't impossible sinse
my parents live in Nottingham).
I've sent as polite an E-mail as I can to
12:23 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hello Tom.
This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight
village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where
companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their
stuff
Hi Dark,
I am surprised you did not think of my Sarah game.
You could say it was inspired by the Harry Potter books and games.
True the voices are mainly Americans doing British accents, but then when I
asked for volunteers to do British voices only Americans got back to me.
Maybe you Brits
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hello Tom.
This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight
village each summer
you a voice or two myself, just let me know who
you might need.
Beware thee grue!
Dark.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:29 PM
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, 2009 7:35 PM
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Hey Dark,
Didn't Agrip do a trip to Sight Village once? I didn't go that year,
just vaguely remember them being at some exhibition somewhere and it
seemed to ring a bell.
Anyway main reason for the post was just to add
was:Screen Readers and Games
Yes phil! we don't want any ill mannered yankies in our propper English
magic school thank you very much! ;D.
being serious now, my one slight issue with sarah as a quick exhibition
game
is how easy it is to pick up and play without reading the manual or
looking
at any
Hi Phil.
Nice suggestions, mucking about with spells or being got by peeves
hadn't actually occurred to me as things I could show in a demo.
As for the nationality business, well we get so many american films
books and just about everything else over here, nobody would particularly
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