Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-22 Thread Nicol Oosthuizen
HI Tom
As always, you are so informative.
Thanks for  the nice info.
So then I can come to the conclusion that with these machines  its only
a thing about luck.
NO skill is  involved.
It works then like a cacino, your chances of winning money is 1 out of
50?

have a sunny day 

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Hi Nicol,
Yes, we have those machines here in the United States too. However, they

aren't exactly fair. The main reason is they are specifically designed 
not to be able to pick up the larger stuffed toys, and in many other 
cases there is a switch in the arm that prevents it from grabbing the 
toys too tightly. In other words the game cheats. As a result you have a

very slim chance in actually getting a toy out of one of those machines.
However, my uncle has good luck playing with those toy machines. He 
starts by going for the smaller stuffed toys, and those not packed too 
tightly into the machine. Some times it takes a couple of tries to 
actually get one of the toys out, because he will have it part way to 
the exit when the arm just lets go of it. Still they can be beaten if 
you have enough money and patients to take out the toys one by one even 
if it isn't exactly the toy you want.
I remember a case a few years back we were in the mall and my uncle 
stood at one of those machines playing all day. he would take quarters  
from kids and he would get little stuffed lions, monkeys, dogs, whatever

out of the machine left and right. When I asked him how he did that he 
said there is a trick to it, and you pretty much have to know which toys

the arm will take and which ones it will just drop or not get a good 
grip on. Just because there is a big panda sitting on top of the heap of

stuffed toys doesn't mean the machine can actually get it out. However, 
it is something most kids would try and get out spending lots of 
quarters on a single big toy instead of going for something less 
desirable but more accessible and likely to get.
As far as an accessible computerized version goes it could be 
interesting. Although, I'm not sure on how to make it so that it would 
be realistic. A lot of people don't get anything out of those machines, 
and there has to be a pretty high statistical chance against getting 
certain toys out of the machine. There is a lot of factors such as size,

wait, and how tightly the toy is in the machine. how often the arm 
simply drops a toy because it doesn't have a good tight grip on it. Lots

of things to think about here.

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-22 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Nicol,
Yeah, you could say that. Your chances of getting lucky at one of those 
toy machines is pretty low so in a way it is like gambling. You throw a 
few coins in the machine and see what you can get.


Nicol Oosthuizen wrote:

HI Tom
As always, you are so informative.
Thanks for  the nice info.
So then I can come to the conclusion that with these machines  its only
a thing about luck.
NO skill is  involved.
It works then like a cacino, your chances of winning money is 1 out of
50?

have a sunny day 
  



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[Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Nicol Oosthuizen
Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
a little game?
My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
the bucket before one can retrieve it.
Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it. 
The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.
So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
machines?Some of them even contains watches. 
A teddy bear catch game would rock.
have a sunny day 

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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread dark
I have seen these machines,  we have them in England too, and in America 
I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory),  though the 
background music may be various things not just the lambada you mention.


The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on 
the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually 
a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this).


As to making it an audio game,  well I'm personally not sure about that, 
sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would 
need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time 
you'd added those features,  your probably talking about a completely 
different game entirely.


Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines



Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
a little game?
My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
the bucket before one can retrieve it.
Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it.
The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.
So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
machines?Some of them even contains watches.
A teddy bear catch game would rock.
have a sunny day

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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Ryan Strunk
As a full game it would lack a lot of depth, but you could always borrow
from Kirby's Adventure and make it into a bonus game. In that game there was
a large Kirby and a small one that you could grab for extra lives.

Interesting fact about the jaws not clamping properly. I didn't know that.

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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

I have seen these machines,  we have them in England too, and in America

I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory),  though the 
background music may be various things not just the lambada you mention.

The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on 
the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually 
a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this).

As to making it an audio game,  well I'm personally not sure about that,

sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would 
need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time 
you'd added those features,  your probably talking about a completely 
different game entirely.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines


 Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
 But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
 Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
 a little game?
 My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
 Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
 the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
 joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
 Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
 the bucket before one can retrieve it.
 Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
 sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
 pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
 and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it.
 The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.
 So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
 machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
 a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
 The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
 while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
 machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
 Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
 machines?Some of them even contains watches.
 A teddy bear catch game would rock.
 have a sunny day

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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread peter Mahach
indeed the tune may very. I saw some with no music at all using retro sfx 
instead and I even saw one with a techno beat with fred saying yaba daba 
do! if you managed to get the bear.
however according to brainiac if you get the bear or not is very much 
controled.
the first thing is the not proper clamping like dark said but there is 
another factor.
there is a controled amount of tries that will win. for instance each 5 
tries the pickup is successful. so it goes lose, lose, lose, lose, win and 
then the cycle repeats. teh 5 was just an example. as for the game idea, not 
so sure about it.
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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Jacob Kruger

Would be cool.

Also know of one or two of these machines in the wrong type of place where 
the people have tried things like turning them over to get the teddies to 
fall out in other ways...


Stay well

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Skype: BlindZA
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
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Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines



Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
a little game?
My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
the bucket before one can retrieve it.
Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it.
The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.
So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
machines?Some of them even contains watches.
A teddy bear catch game would rock.
have a sunny day

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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Claudio Zeni
Hi Nicol!

Oh, I know them very good.
You can find these machines in most contries in gaming centres.
A game simmilar to this concept would be really gread and shouldn't be to
tricky for create.
My problem is, I can't imagine how this really would sound like in an audio
version.
Do you have an imagination how this could sound like?

Best regards,
Claudio Zeni


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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread dark
Yes, that is unfortunately true about the crane jaws,  but I suppose the 
owners of the game would lose a lot of cash if everyone could win 
teddybears.


the kirby series in general was famous for having innumerable minigames 
included. In kirby's nightmare in dremland for the Gba (an expanded and 
heavily updated version of Kirby's adventure), you could both play these 
games from the title screen,  and also enter doors on the game map to 
play them for extra lives.


thus far, the main audio game I've seen do this is lords of the galaxy,   
which did it very well, though Tarzan junior similarly had a few mini bonus 
games too.


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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Nicol,
Yes, we have those machines here in the United States too. However, they 
aren't exactly fair. The main reason is they are specifically designed 
not to be able to pick up the larger stuffed toys, and in many other 
cases there is a switch in the arm that prevents it from grabbing the 
toys too tightly. In other words the game cheats. As a result you have a 
very slim chance in actually getting a toy out of one of those machines.
However, my uncle has good luck playing with those toy machines. He 
starts by going for the smaller stuffed toys, and those not packed too 
tightly into the machine. Some times it takes a couple of tries to 
actually get one of the toys out, because he will have it part way to 
the exit when the arm just lets go of it. Still they can be beaten if 
you have enough money and patients to take out the toys one by one even 
if it isn't exactly the toy you want.
I remember a case a few years back we were in the mall and my uncle 
stood at one of those machines playing all day. he would take quarters  
from kids and he would get little stuffed lions, monkeys, dogs, whatever 
out of the machine left and right. When I asked him how he did that he 
said there is a trick to it, and you pretty much have to know which toys 
the arm will take and which ones it will just drop or not get a good 
grip on. Just because there is a big panda sitting on top of the heap of 
stuffed toys doesn't mean the machine can actually get it out. However, 
it is something most kids would try and get out spending lots of 
quarters on a single big toy instead of going for something less 
desirable but more accessible and likely to get.
As far as an accessible computerized version goes it could be 
interesting. Although, I'm not sure on how to make it so that it would 
be realistic. A lot of people don't get anything out of those machines, 
and there has to be a pretty high statistical chance against getting 
certain toys out of the machine. There is a lot of factors such as size, 
wait, and how tightly the toy is in the machine. how often the arm 
simply drops a toy because it doesn't have a good tight grip on it. Lots 
of things to think about here.


Cheers!



Nicol Oosthuizen wrote:

Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
a little game?
My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
the bucket before one can retrieve it.
Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it. 
The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.

So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
machines?Some of them even contains watches. 
A teddy bear catch game would rock.
have a sunny day 

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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Dark,
Yeah, they are a scam alright. I haven't found many people who actually 
have beaten one of those things. My uncle is the only person I've met 
who has any luck at all with those machines, and he says it is because 
there is a trick to getting things out of one of them. They usually put 
the heavy stuff on top so it is particularly hard to get to the lighter 
smaller toys on the bottom that the arm could actually get out without 
much difficulty. The entire purpose of those machines seams to be to 
take your money without much of a real chance of getting anything out of 
them. Still they have been out for years so people must still play them 
and enjoy them.


dark wrote:
I have seen these machines,  we have them in England too, and in 
America I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory),  
though the background music may be various things not just the lambada 
you mention.


The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the 
jaws on the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 
(there is actually a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures 
this).


As to making it an audio game,  well I'm personally not sure about 
that, sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, 
and would need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, 
and by the time you'd added those features,  your probably talking 
about a completely different game entirely.


Beware the grue!

Dark.



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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Claudio,
The sounds should be easy enough. Since these toy machines usually have 
all kinds of stuffed animals besides bears you could give each toy a 
sound like the animal it is suppose to be. A toy dog could bark, a toy 
cat could meow, a lion could roar, a bear could growl, a cow could moo, 
whatever. So making up sounds for the various toys would be pretty 
simple I should think.


Claudio Zeni wrote:

Hi Nicol!

Oh, I know them very good.
You can find these machines in most contries in gaming centres.
A game simmilar to this concept would be really gread and shouldn't be to
tricky for create.
My problem is, I can't imagine how this really would sound like in an audio
version.
Do you have an imagination how this could sound like?

Best regards,
Claudio Zeni

  



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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread shaun everiss
yes I have once.
although it was a gift not necessarily a teddy.
we also have a game where you put a coin in a slot and click a trigger.
you only have around 30 seconds to click that trigger because after that the 
coin will drop back in the basket.
even if you hit the trigger there is a 50-50 chance the coin will not come back 
out.
these game ideas are simple ones.
I think pkb or anyone here that has time can probably do it.
they don't need much effert.
the music for the bear machine may be a bit copywrited so it couldn't be the 
same but I don't see any issue.
one thing though is the machines themselves don't make much of a racket at 
least the ones I saw.
At 01:56 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote:
Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
a little game?
My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
the bucket before one can retrieve it.
Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it. 
The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.
So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
machines?Some of them even contains watches. 
A teddy bear catch game would rock.
have a sunny day 

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Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines

2009-12-21 Thread shaun everiss
I was thinking of this type to be a casino style.
you gamble some cash, then draw a card or something.
I know its not correct but that would make it interesting.
At 02:19 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote:
I have seen these machines,  we have them in England too, and in America I 
believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory),  though the background 
music may be various things not just the lambada you mention.

The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on the 
crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually a 
mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this).

As to making it an audio game,  well I'm personally not sure about that, 
sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would need 
a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time you'd 
added those features,  your probably talking about a completely different 
game entirely.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


- Original Message - From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines


Attention all south African  members: arrie willem and jakob
But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment.
Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by  beating
a little game?
My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky.
Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside
the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on
joysticks, the arm is inside the machine.
Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into
the bucket before one can retrieve it.
Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a
sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and
pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket
and lift it high enough  so that the machine releases it.
The machine will try its best to drop the bear again.
So how would you guys feel about a game similar to  these teddy bear
machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that
a game like these teddy bear machines can be made.
The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also
while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these
machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally.
Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear
machines?Some of them even contains watches.
A teddy bear catch game would rock.
have a sunny day

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