Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
No, The registration system for Tomb Hunter is not now available. You can find out more about the game and comments at: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=21325 - Original Message - From: "Stephen" <whocr...@internode.on.net> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. Hi. Is the registration system open yet? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Arrow up to just climb a ladder. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-03-13 10:49, Lori Duncan wrote: Thanks Phil, I have it now, but am having issues getting passed that first ledge. When I hit space to jump I seem to stay in the one place, and when I hit space and right arrow to carry my body to the right, I die. Is there something I'm missing? Is there also a way to pause the game, I don't remember seeing a key for pause in the readme file. Thanks from Lori. On 13/03/2017 02:39, Phil Vlasak wrote: Lori, Try this link, the game is in the new projects page as th4.1.zip http://www.darkflier.com/ - Original Message - From: "Lori Duncan" <lori.dunca...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14104 - Release Date: 03/12/17 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any question
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Thanks Phil, I have it now, but am having issues getting passed that first ledge. When I hit space to jump I seem to stay in the one place, and when I hit space and right arrow to carry my body to the right, I die. Is there something I'm missing? Is there also a way to pause the game, I don't remember seeing a key for pause in the readme file. Thanks from Lori. On 13/03/2017 02:39, Phil Vlasak wrote: Lori, Try this link, the game is in the new projects page as th4.1.zip http://www.darkflier.com/ - Original Message - From: "Lori Duncan" <lori.dunca...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14104 - Release Date: 03/12/17 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Hi. Is the registration system open yet? Thanks. At 09:13 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote: Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Stephen, At the top of the ReadMe.txt file it states: "Tomb Hunter" By DarkFlier Productions. Note: This is Beta software. Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios © 2006-2016 All Rights Reserved - Original Message - From: "Stephen" <whocr...@internode.on.net> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. I'm sorry to sound a bit morbid, but do you think on first run, maybe they there could be a little message dedicating the game to the memory of Thomas Ward? He's done so much for this list under an incredible set of circumstances. I still find it hard to believe he's no longer with us. At 09:13 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote: Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14104 - Release Date: 03/12/17 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Lori, Try this link, the game is in the new projects page as th4.1.zip http://www.darkflier.com/ - Original Message - From: "Lori Duncan" <lori.dunca...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14104 - Release Date: 03/12/17 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
I'm sorry to sound a bit morbid, but do you think on first run, maybe they there could be a little message dedicating the game to the memory of Thomas Ward? He's done so much for this list under an incredible set of circumstances. I still find it hard to believe he's no longer with us. At 09:13 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote: Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Hi Phil, I've tried clicking on the link you sent for the game, but it just gives me a message saying this page can't be displayed? Is the website down? I'm really glad th is back, and am sure Thomas would have been very proud and happy too. From Lori. On 12/03/2017 01:33, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Oooh I am so so so so so excited! On 3/11/17, rwy2...@gmail.com <rwy2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Phil, > A quick correction, Mason Armstrong is Darkflier Productions. Nikola Stojsic > (NS Studios) is currently providing help to Darkflier Productions by helping > code the game as of March 9, 2017. > Thanks, > Rich > > Rich Yamamoto > 8th Grade Student > Andover Middle School > > From: Phil Vlasak > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 7:36 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. > > Hi Folks, > DarkFlier Productions > and Mason Armstrong, > are working on the beta version of > "Tomb Hunter" > Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas > Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios > The current beta is version 4.1 > This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. > The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss > > level, and more options. > In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, > gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring > > untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will > > be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and > treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, > > adventure, and wealth. > In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through > dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, > conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of > adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, > huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around > treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find > > and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried > treasures or to light your path. > > A link to the beta 4.1 is here: > > http://darkflier.com/projects.php > > There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. > Play, which is P. > Learn, which is S. > Load, which is L. > Exit, which is x. > > One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 > https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > -- How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these. George Washington Carver Email: singingmywa...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Hi Phil, A quick correction, Mason Armstrong is Darkflier Productions. Nikola Stojsic (NS Studios) is currently providing help to Darkflier Productions by helping code the game as of March 9, 2017. Thanks, Rich Rich Yamamoto 8th Grade Student Andover Middle School From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 7:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns. Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Tomb Hunter a Windows game returns.
Hi Folks, DarkFlier Productions and Mason Armstrong, are working on the beta version of "Tomb Hunter" Based on the ideas in the games "MOTA" and "Montezuma's Revenge" by Thomas Ward of USA Games and James North of Alchemy Game Studios The current beta is version 4.1 This demo version contains the first two temple areas and a bonus level. The full version will contain many more levels, various bonus levels, a boss level, and more options. In this game, you play Arizona Smith and will risk your hide to find gold, gems, and artifacts and find the pieces of an ancient scroll that will bring untold wealth in the depths of ten mostly underground temples. But, it will be no easy task for the temple is filled with lots of ghoulies and treacherous environments to navigate to fulfill your dreams of exploration, adventure, and wealth. In the full version, you will run, jump, crouch, climb, and swim through dozens of eerie environments on various terrain, ladders, ropes, vines, conveyer belts, platforms, and much more. You will fight lots of adversaries to and overcome such creatures as rolling chattering skulls, huge tarantulas, snakes, and undead. You'll also navigate around treacherous lava and acid pits and various traps. Along the way you'll find and acquire various tools such as picks and torches to uncover buried treasures or to light your path. A link to the beta 4.1 is here: http://darkflier.com/projects.php There are only 4 Main Menu options as of right now. Play, which is P. Learn, which is S. Load, which is L. Exit, which is x. One tester has already posted a MP3 of him playing the beta 4.1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkvcg423i14urz/th41.mp3?dl=1 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tomb hunter help
Hi Mike, S P O I L E R Walk, up to the metal plate next to the first set of spikes, press alt+right arrow to jump the first, set land on the second plate, and press alt+right arrow to jump the second. Usually, this works fine. Note, there is a bug found in beta 16 where the jump code doesn't always jump correctly in the Windows release that has been partly resolved in beta 17. So if you consistantly die on level 2 with those particular spike traps this problem is resolved in beta 17 which is currently in private testing. On 11/16/10, Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net wrote: \Hi list: Can someone please give me a idea of how to get past the spikes at the beginning of level 2 room 2 or 3 please? I have tried to duck below them jump over them etc but I always get killed. Any help would be appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tomb hunter help
Easeley explainible. Well, the 2 spikes. Well, buddy, here's what you've got to do. You will here a warning sound, different foot step, and mind you, you will only here it for once. Then jump over. Don't have any weapons drawn. Then, when you jump over, don't walk to the left, jump over again and do the same for the right side. - Original Message - From: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:45 AM Subject: [Audyssey] tomb hunter help \Hi list: Can someone please give me a idea of how to get past the spikes at the beginning of level 2 room 2 or 3 please? I have tried to duck below them jump over them etc but I always get killed. Any help would be appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] tomb hunter help
\Hi list: Can someone please give me a idea of how to get past the spikes at the beginning of level 2 room 2 or 3 please? I have tried to duck below them jump over them etc but I always get killed. Any help would be appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tomb hunter help
You need to jump over them when you reach the metal border. Just make sure your weapon is holstered. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: [Audyssey] tomb hunter help \Hi list: Can someone please give me a idea of how to get past the spikes at the beginning of level 2 room 2 or 3 please? I have tried to duck below them jump over them etc but I always get killed. Any help would be appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi Charles, Heheh...maybe him. I didn't think of the guy himself. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:04 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Not even Bill Gates? (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, I dn't think you'll find anyone weaping uncontrollably about that. Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Yes, but mr b.g has fallen from the richest to only about the fourth richest person in the world. How sad for him. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, Lol, that's quite a conspiracy theory. Though, it would work, since...well, they are still in business, even after the nightmare that goes by the name Windows Vista. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi Charles, All I can say is, well said! Too bad Microsoft and the other big money corporations don't see it quite the same way... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:47 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Games are updated and improved through the use of patches instead of entirely different cores and layouts in a lot of cases, aren't they? Games, just like an OS, are software. Should it be absolutely necessary to buy a game controller and never use your keyboard again if you want to play the 3D version of MOTA, merely because it is a better method of game play?, or should the keyboard still be an option. Why get rid of something that works for you? Why should you have to learn everything new just because it is the latest and greatest acording to the manufacturer? Why couldn't they leave the layout and the operation of the OS the way it was, and just make updates for security improvement? We should not have to buy new machines or drives or printers just because the OS has been totally reworked! Why should we need more computing power to do what we once did with less? Being forced, and that is the key, to make vast changes that cost a substantial amount of money in order to do what we could already do, just for the sake of changing to what is new, is stupid and should not be necessary. Anything that can be improved through updates should be updated, not discarded and replaced with something totally different, especially if older but still perfectly good components will also, needlessly, have to be discarded and replaced. If twice as much processor is needed to do what used to be done with half that much is needed, what good is that? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, To be honest that's something I don't quite get about VI computer users. Just about everyone I've met uses classic start menu this, classic desktop that, etc. Why in the heck not just use XP with the default settings? I have ever since XP came out, I have never used the classic menus etc, and yet just about every VI user out there has his or her system setup to look like Windows 95/98. I just don't get that mentality at all. It is backwards to my thinking. A few have told me quote unquote that is more accessible or so they have been told. That's just crap in my book. Both classic and XP defaults are totally accessible so that's not an excuse. So there really isn't any reason for why everyone wants the classic menus etc. I just don't get it personally. Now, that Windows 7 is out and there is no retro classic menus etc that's the main thing VI computer users are complaining about. It is like what's the big deal. I don't have a problem with the new start menu and actually like it better than the previous start menu setup. It is actually a bit nicer once you learn where everything is. Smile. On 7/7/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: windows vista was a pile of crap. win7 is better than vista. It also put me off windows. there is no cclassic menu in win7 though so you will have to get used to a different type of navigation though once you get used to it aparently you can search for what you want and it comes up. I still like the old way. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi, No, jim, the desktop will unlikely disapear, since it is something everybody, and I do mean everybody, uses. Kevin - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:13:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, May I ask, are you saying that Windows 7 no longer even has a desk top where one can create short cut icons? TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi, Nope. My copy of Vista never had a classic start menu option or classic desktop option. It did however did allow you to set the control panel back to classic which I also liked. However, that option too is gone in Windows 7. HTH Jim WHAT??? Give up C:\ for silly ICONS? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi David, Well that's the first I've heard on that score. I've never been able to successfully work IPods, ITunes, Quicktime, etc. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, This is exactly why I will be switching to the mac in the near future and hope that game creators start making more of these accessible games for that platform. Apple is the only major consumer electronics company which is taking an extremely active role in blindness accessibility. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 11:47 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi, Thing is, the majority seem to think about themselves, and the minority can hop it. They should be working for everybody. For example, how much is available for the deaf? The physically handicapped? The paralyzed? Only people who are not used to these conditions, gawking, laughing, scorning, and completely, it seems, giving them up as a bad job, which is why, most of the time, people with disabilities usually stick with their own kind, who are also struggling because nothing has been put in place for everybody. It is far, far too prejudiced. I know it's nowhere near as bad, but it reminds me of the time when Africans were treated horribly because of skin colour, and they didn't have a leg to stand on because, quote unquote, that was the way of it. It's similar to people with disabilities. Instead of looking at what we need to make our lives just as comfortable as more able people, we just struggle on, deal with it and say, well that's the way of the world, nobody wants to learn so we'll leave it there type attitude. Yes, fine. Have an interface for the sighted, and complete 100% healthy people, but continue to maintain services for disabled people also. Just because a company is there to make money doesn't mean they should be prejudiced with no compassion and a heart of pure cold stone. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, After reading the past few messages on this subject, I have decided to respond with some answers we never like to hear. 1) The total population of legally blind people in the US is 0.6% of the US population. This includes everyone with up to 20/200 vision. The total population of blind people in the world is just over 35 million, or about 0.6% of the total world population. This means, we are an extremely small group of people. There are more people using the least common computer OS than there are visually impaired people. Because we are such a tiny minority, it falls squarely upon us to adapt ourselves to the sighted world. The fact that companies do a little bit to help us is great, but there is virtually no profit in it for them. We can choose to stay behind at whatever point we are comfortable with, just like anybody else. That said, as has been pointed out, companies are in business to make money. In order to do this successfully, they must constantly give at least the appearance of innovating or the competition will take their place. I, for one, choose to continuously learn, grow, and adapt to the new and ever-shifting paradigm of the modern technology world. This way, I can keep myself marketable and employable. Also, it allows me to continue enjoying the latest games which come out. As to the classic start menu which, apparently, primarily only blind people prefer, I actually don't like it. I find it to be way too limiting. And, before you ask, I started as a DOS power user. I much prefer the simplicity of point and click (pressing the alt key, arrowing to the menu I need, and arrowing to my choice) over constantly needing to remember esoteric commands. I will soon be switching to the iPhone 4 because it has a touch-screen, so there are even less esoteric commands which I need to remember. I just needed to learn the new interface, and I did that over the past year through regularly borrowing my former flatmate's iPhone 3GS. I will switch to the MacBook and its touch pad interface for the same reason. I made the decision a long time ago to, as much as possible, learn to use and become proficient with sighted technology interfaces whenever possible so that I can keep my costs lower while interfacing with my sighted peers and friends in ways which are most convenient for them. After all, I am the one who, by nature of being blind, is different, so must fit in if I want to associate with the chosen group that is the majority. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 6:24 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi Thomas, The problem here
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That's true that we are a group of people who has been shunned by most companies for one reason or another, but I as well learn, am able to fit in with, and get a good understanding from the sighted community -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: 10 July 2010 00:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, After reading the past few messages on this subject, I have decided to respond with some answers we never like to hear. 1) The total population of legally blind people in the US is 0.6% of the US population. This includes everyone with up to 20/200 vision. The total population of blind people in the world is just over 35 million, or about 0.6% of the total world population. This means, we are an extremely small group of people. There are more people using the least common computer OS than there are visually impaired people. Because we are such a tiny minority, it falls squarely upon us to adapt ourselves to the sighted world. The fact that companies do a little bit to help us is great, but there is virtually no profit in it for them. We can choose to stay behind at whatever point we are comfortable with, just like anybody else. That said, as has been pointed out, companies are in business to make money. In order to do this successfully, they must constantly give at least the appearance of innovating or the competition will take their place. I, for one, choose to continuously learn, grow, and adapt to the new and ever-shifting paradigm of the modern technology world. This way, I can keep myself marketable and employable. Also, it allows me to continue enjoying the latest games which come out. As to the classic start menu which, apparently, primarily only blind people prefer, I actually don't like it. I find it to be way too limiting. And, before you ask, I started as a DOS power user. I much prefer the simplicity of point and click (pressing the alt key, arrowing to the menu I need, and arrowing to my choice) over constantly needing to remember esoteric commands. I will soon be switching to the iPhone 4 because it has a touch-screen, so there are even less esoteric commands which I need to remember. I just needed to learn the new interface, and I did that over the past year through regularly borrowing my former flatmate's iPhone 3GS. I will switch to the MacBook and its touch pad interface for the same reason. I made the decision a long time ago to, as much as possible, learn to use and become proficient with sighted technology interfaces whenever possible so that I can keep my costs lower while interfacing with my sighted peers and friends in ways which are most convenient for them. After all, I am the one who, by nature of being blind, is different, so must fit in if I want to associate with the chosen group that is the majority. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 6:24 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi Thomas, The problem here is, even some sighted people don't know how to use it. Heck, I have trouble getting somebody sighted to help me do a reinstall of XP simply because they don't know how radio buttons work, etc, etc. What I'm trying to say is, while there are maybe a load of people who will benefit from the upgrade, newbies and VI users do not, and it's time more people started fighting for their rights. Like I said before, if blind people just go with the flow then how on earth are other people in this world going to be able to cater for us? Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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May I ask... what acefire war... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: 09 July 2010 23:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Jim, Thomas, please please stop grouching at each other? I'm reminded unhappily of the Acefire war when that came out, only now with upgrades or downgrades as the case may be. I can see this getting out of hand, and though I am not a moderator, I don't like to see anger and hurt in messages. We all have our opinions, if we are going to discuss them can we do it in a civilised manner and trying to encourage each other? I've seen enough sniping on here to last a lifetime. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, I was only referring to one needing the latest C++ libraries to be able to run your newest beta 13 of MOTA. And that before that you had again changed your mind and again rewritten MOTA to or not to need the newest Microsoft software or a third party app for your game to run. I had down loaded MOTA beta 12 because I thought that in that rewrite you had gone with I believe straight C++ and DirectX and with that I thought that I would be able to run that version of your game without the fear of needing to install up grades etc that might blow up my computer. BTW I Kitchensinc definitely have not been left in the dust as you stated. I receive Email from new and old fans daily. But hey maybe one day if you ever put out and support one game, it may be the day that I am left in the dust. But hey, I ain't worried about it at all cause what has it been four or near five years since you bought out James North? And I have put out quite a few very popular games in that time. Speaking of spell checkers, It doesn't seem that you yourself ever have used one. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his
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Hi Ben, When I released Acefire, there was a huge flame war about the price. It was all to do with the fact that I was from the UK, most of this community is from the US, and getting the price on a reasonable balance was a very complicated process. It all ended up in a very unhappy community. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error May I ask... what acefire war... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: 09 July 2010 23:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Jim, Thomas, please please stop grouching at each other? I'm reminded unhappily of the Acefire war when that came out, only now with upgrades or downgrades as the case may be. I can see this getting out of hand, and though I am not a moderator, I don't like to see anger and hurt in messages. We all have our opinions, if we are going to discuss them can we do it in a civilised manner and trying to encourage each other? I've seen enough sniping on here to last a lifetime. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, I was only referring to one needing the latest C++ libraries to be able to run your newest beta 13 of MOTA. And that before that you had again changed your mind and again rewritten MOTA to or not to need the newest Microsoft software or a third party app for your game to run. I had down loaded MOTA beta 12 because I thought that in that rewrite you had gone with I believe straight C++ and DirectX and with that I thought that I would be able to run that version of your game without the fear of needing to install up grades etc that might blow up my computer. BTW I Kitchensinc definitely have not been left in the dust as you stated. I receive Email from new and old fans daily. But hey maybe one day if you ever put out and support one game, it may be the day that I am left in the dust. But hey, I ain't worried about it at all cause what has it been four or near five years since you bought out James North? And I have put out quite a few very popular games in that time. Speaking of spell checkers, It doesn't seem that you yourself ever have used one. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo
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Hi all, Hmmm…Let’s try and steer things back to gaming. I know many of you are interested in knowing more about Windows 7, but it is really getting off topic now. Let’s try and get back to gaming. However, I will answer one more question publicly before I close this area of discussion for good. Windows 7 still has a desktop. The only difference is that the new desktop, Windows Arrow, has been graphically enhanced and has a new virtual 3d look and feel to it. The Windows Arrow desktop is in large part why Windows 7 needs twice the processor speed and ram than XP. All those flashy graphics and animation etc take a lot more memory and CPU power to run as well as XP did on less powerful machines. Windows Arrow is a CPU and memory hog, but like everything else it mainly is there to impress the sighted masses. Anyway, these days the main purpose of the desktop is a place where sighted computer users can post photos of their family, friends, etc and look at them in the background. That is one of the deciding reasons why the Computer Documents, Music, and Picture icons etc are now in the start menu and not on the desktop. It removes everything so a sighted user can see his/her photographs without a bunch of icons and what-not in the way of his/her view. Of course, we can still drag and drop icons on the desktop, manually create links to our Documents, Music, and Picture folders, etc and place them on the desktop, but they are not there by default. As I said before the main reason they are not there by default is simply that it obstructs a sighted users view of the desktop, his/her favorite photographs, and therefore isn’t desirable in the minds of many mainstream users. For us, though, since we can’t see photos etc the desktop happens to be a nice place to keep all our favorite icons in one place. Unfortunately, there isn’t any need to do that since Windows 7 keeps track of your commonly used apps and makes a list of commonly used icons in your start menu already. HTH On 7/10/10, weis...@googlemail.com weis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, No, jim, the desktop will unlikely disapear, since it is something everybody, and I do mean everybody, uses. Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, JAWS 10 offerred accessible with iTunes 8, and JAWS 11 works well with iTunes 9. If nothing, it's a good way to store music, though it's a royal pain that you can't convert the music without downloading a special utility for the thing. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 2:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi David, Well that's the first I've heard on that score. I've never been able to successfully work IPods, ITunes, Quicktime, etc. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, This is exactly why I will be switching to the mac in the near future and hope that game creators start making more of these accessible games for that platform. Apple is the only major consumer electronics company which is taking an extremely active role in blindness accessibility. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 11:47 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi, Thing is, the majority seem to think about themselves, and the minority can hop it. They should be working for everybody. For example, how much is available for the deaf? The physically handicapped? The paralyzed? Only people who are not used to these conditions, gawking, laughing, scorning, and completely, it seems, giving them up as a bad job, which is why, most of the time, people with disabilities usually stick with their own kind, who are also struggling because nothing has been put in place for everybody. It is far, far too prejudiced. I know it's nowhere near as bad, but it reminds me of the time when Africans were treated horribly because of skin colour, and they didn't have a leg to stand on because, quote unquote, that was the way of it. It's similar to people with disabilities. Instead of looking at what we need to make our lives just as comfortable as more able people, we just struggle on, deal with it and say, well that's the way of the world, nobody wants to learn so we'll leave it there type attitude. Yes, fine. Have an interface for the sighted, and complete 100% healthy people, but continue to maintain services for disabled people also. Just because a company is there to make money doesn't mean they should be prejudiced with no compassion and a heart of pure cold stone. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, After reading the past few messages on this subject, I have decided to respond with some answers we never like to hear. 1) The total population of legally blind people in the US is 0.6% of the US population. This includes everyone with up to 20/200 vision. The total population of blind people in the world is just over 35 million, or about 0.6% of the total world population. This means, we are an extremely small group of people. There are more people using the least common computer OS than there are visually impaired people. Because we are such a tiny minority, it falls squarely upon us to adapt ourselves to the sighted world. The fact that companies do a little bit to help us is great, but there is virtually no profit in it for them. We can choose to stay behind at whatever point we are comfortable with, just like anybody else. That said, as has been pointed out, companies are in business to make money. In order to do this successfully, they must constantly give at least the appearance of innovating or the competition will take their place. I, for one, choose to continuously learn, grow, and adapt to the new and ever-shifting paradigm of the modern technology world. This way, I can keep myself marketable and employable. Also, it allows me to continue enjoying the latest games which come out. As to the classic start menu which, apparently, primarily only blind people prefer, I actually don't like it. I find it to be way too limiting. And, before you ask, I started as a DOS power user. I much prefer the simplicity of point and click (pressing the alt key, arrowing to the menu I need, and arrowing to my choice) over constantly needing to remember esoteric commands. I will soon be switching to the iPhone 4 because it has a touch-screen, so there are even less esoteric commands which I need to remember. I just needed to learn the new interface, and I did that over the past year through regularly borrowing my former flatmate's iPhone 3GS. I will switch to the MacBook and its touch pad interface for the same reason. I made the decision
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Hi, Just slightly off topic but does anyone know what was used to program JAWS and Windows? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Jim, I really don't see any reason that the C++ runtime libraries would blow up your system. I'm 99% sure that won't happen. Main reason is these are just dll libraries that have had bug fixes or additional functions that were not available in previous versions. Microsoft's Win32 libraries are certainly backwards compatible to a point. According to Microsoft's website the are backwards compatible with Windows 2000 SP4 which is much older than Windows XP with service pack 3. I installed them on my older laptop with XP SP3 on it and everything worked fine. However, I probibly have newer versions of Windows Media Player etc than you do as I try to keep things up to date anyway. HTH On 7/9/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, Jaws was programmed in C++. As for Windows, it depends what you mean. The small utilities were programmed in C++, whereas the core of the system itself will most likely have been programmed in Assembly. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Just slightly off topic but does anyone know what was used to program JAWS and Windows? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Jim, I really don't see any reason that the C++ runtime libraries would blow up your system. I'm 99% sure that won't happen. Main reason is these are just dll libraries that have had bug fixes or additional functions that were not available in previous versions. Microsoft's Win32 libraries are certainly backwards compatible to a point. According to Microsoft's website the are backwards compatible with Windows 2000 SP4 which is much older than Windows XP with service pack 3. I installed them on my older laptop with XP SP3 on it and everything worked fine. However, I probibly have newer versions of Windows Media Player etc than you do as I try to keep things up to date anyway. HTH On 7/9/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Wow...spell checker? That's petulant. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:13 PM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, I was only referring to one needing the latest C++ libraries to be able to run your newest beta 13 of MOTA. And that before that you had again changed your mind and again rewritten MOTA to or not to need the newest Microsoft software or a third party app for your game to run. I had down loaded MOTA beta 12 because I thought that in that rewrite you had gone with I believe straight C++ and DirectX and with that I thought that I would be able to run that version of your game without the fear of needing to install up grades etc that might blow up my computer. BTW I Kitchensinc definitely have not been left in the dust as you stated. I receive Email from new and old fans daily. But hey maybe one day if you ever put out and support one game, it may be the day that I am left in the dust. But hey, I ain't worried about it at all cause what has it been four or near five years since you bought out James North? And I have put out quite a few very popular games in that time. Speaking of spell checkers, It doesn't seem that you yourself ever have used one. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his/her computer up by installing a 6 MB patch that updates a few common Windows libraries. I'm sorry to say but in my opinion that is just being thick headed, stupid, and too stubern to change even if it might actually improve things for you and make a slightly more stable and better product in the long run. Finally, there is one other thing to take in account here. You have mentioned many times you like Visual Basic 6 and like Windows XP and are happy with it. That's fine as far as it goes, but I don't think you personally care if your games run on Windows 7 or whatever comes after Windows 7 because you have no plans to upgrade etc. Well, some of us do care about such things. I realize that Windows XP isn't going to be around forever
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Hi Damien, I did mean the core platform itself, thanks. I figured JAWS probably would be programmed in C ++, though I wasn't sure. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden, Jaws was programmed in C++. As for Windows, it depends what you mean. The small utilities were programmed in C++, whereas the core of the system itself will most likely have been programmed in Assembly. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Just slightly off topic but does anyone know what was used to program JAWS and Windows? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Jim, I really don't see any reason that the C++ runtime libraries would blow up your system. I'm 99% sure that won't happen. Main reason is these are just dll libraries that have had bug fixes or additional functions that were not available in previous versions. Microsoft's Win32 libraries are certainly backwards compatible to a point. According to Microsoft's website the are backwards compatible with Windows 2000 SP4 which is much older than Windows XP with service pack 3. I installed them on my older laptop with XP SP3 on it and everything worked fine. However, I probibly have newer versions of Windows Media Player etc than you do as I try to keep things up to date anyway. HTH On 7/9/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I hate to add to this but I seem to recall Thomas closing this topic yesterday. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden, Jaws was programmed in C++. As for Windows, it depends what you mean. The small utilities were programmed in C++, whereas the core of the system itself will most likely have been programmed in Assembly. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Just slightly off topic but does anyone know what was used to program JAWS and Windows? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Jim, I really don't see any reason that the C++ runtime libraries would blow up your system. I'm 99% sure that won't happen. Main reason is these are just dll libraries that have had bug fixes or additional functions that were not available in previous versions. Microsoft's Win32 libraries are certainly backwards compatible to a point. According to Microsoft's website the are backwards compatible with Windows 2000 SP4 which is much older than Windows XP with service pack 3. I installed them on my older laptop with XP SP3 on it and everything worked fine. However, I probibly have newer versions of Windows Media Player etc than you do as I try to keep things up to date anyway. HTH On 7/9/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, Sure do. The Windows operating system and Jaws are both written in C++. That is in large part why it is a very important programming language to know as it is the exact language the operating system uses natively, and why most programming for Windows is heavily object oriented in design. HTH On 7/10/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Just slightly off topic but does anyone know what was used to program JAWS and Windows? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, Actually, as I recall the Windows kernel, the core, was written in C++ along with the rest of the operating system. At least the modern Windows kernel. It is no longer necessary to write a kernel in Assembly language because C and C++ are quite able to write some extremely low-level code such as a kernel. For example, the Linux kernel, vmlinuz, is written in pure C. Not C++ but straight C. As I have done some tinkering with the Linux kernel myself, read through some of the low-level code that drive the operating system, it is complicated stuff but C definitely does the job as I've seen a kernel written in pure C personally. Smile. On 7/10/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Hayden, Jaws was programmed in C++. As for Windows, it depends what you mean. The small utilities were programmed in C++, whereas the core of the system itself will most likely have been programmed in Assembly. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Willem Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Willem, Umm, I stated that every single time that I have tried to up grade my computer it has gone to heck! You suggested that I do several up grades. Thank you, but no! thank! you! I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. You know when my computer is running fine and doing what I want it to, I leave it alone. And just use it. Inter net Explorer works great for me. Well it did until the up grade. Internet Explorer still works great until I close it, then as I said it blows up my desk top, but that was not Internet Explorer, but the up grade I did to it. Oh yeah and I am still running and very happy with JFW version 4.02. But like I said if I had the money I would maybe buy a new computer and JFW 11. But for now for the most part I am very very happy with Windows XP, VB6, JFW 4.02 and the rest of what I am running on my computers. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim. While I am not Thomas, I think I understand what he is doing. His decision to run the latest and greatest is a personal one. You could run his games on windows 98 if you wanted, all you need to install is at least directX 8 and the visual c++ runtimes. Visual basic also has similar runtimes and they are less than 5 mb in size, as aposed to the dotNet framework. I also recommend you use firefox, because internet explorer is a pot of nonsense, though you'll need at least jaws 8 or equivalent screen reader to use it. Nvda is free ( http://nvda-project.org and works great with firefox. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, Just wondering. I thought that you had decided to program in straight C++ so that people did not need to down load 300 meg of up grades to be able to run your game like they did when it was in C net. But now you have changed your mind and again people need to be running the latest greatest software from Microsoft right? Maybe if I could afford a new computer and a screen reader that would run on it I might check out your game. But as it is now, every time that I try to up grade my computer it runs much worse. The last time I did this was so that I could listen to a radio stream from WMMS Rover's Morning Glory, now every time that I close Internet Explorer it blows up my desk top etc. So I need to reboot. Even a sighted person with a mouse can not use my computer without a reboot. http://roverradio.com But I guess my point is, are you not going backwards to forcing people to up grade like when the game was in a net language? Just asking. BFN Jim Cannabis, Rock N Roll, Sex, Love, Health, Happiness and Peace to all! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA Jim - The Def. of Upgrade: Take old bugs out, put new ones in j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, Yes, I have a fairly current version of Gold Wave, well and an old copy that I like. I also keep my anti virus current, but other than that, I do not see why I should, or have any desire to, up grade to the supposed newest, best, hugest software. I mean as it has been shown with games, JFW etc, if a person or persons want to crack and boot leg the software, people will! and can! do the same with the security fixes etc. BTW I am also still running Cool Edit version 1.53 which was written for Windows 3.1. It runs just fine and has some cool features that Gold Wave does not have. As far as I know, software does not wear out like an old pair of socks does or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim Sharewear (n.) -- Used clothing. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Willem, My computer including Internet Explorer are working great! for me now. I have not heard one reason that I should up grade my computer other than some games would require it. And since I am running JFW 4.02 I am pretty sure that I would no longer be able to use many of the newer programs that Windows up dates would install. You know such as Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc etc. BTW you nor anyone else would need to up grade their computer to run any of my games. Well unless maybe if they are running Windows 98, 95 or 3.1. My games are all good to go on XP, Vista and Windows 7. Well ok, you need to do my WinKit.zip install for Vista and Windows 7, but my games really are designed to run with what the WinKit installs anyway. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Well as most people on this list upgrade their computers regularly and are still sending email and working with their computers I guess you were just unlucky. Maybe you should try upgrading your computer to the latest and greatest of software just in case people fixed some bugs. I know for sure that Microsoft released a version of internet explorer 6 that had several memory leeks and crashed often. They fixed the problems in internet explorer 7 I hear, though I choose to use firefox. By your logic then I shouldn't try any games as it would involve upgrading software or low and behold actually installing new software. Jim Go ahead, jump. 100,000 lemmings can't be wrong. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Ah, but we aren't so different really. If I want to play your games on Windows 7, which I do, I have to install Winkit to get the backwards compatibility runtime libraries for VB. Well, if you want to play my games on XP you have to install the latest Visual C++ Runtime libraries. Either one is not very big, and according to the Microsoft website the full Visual C++ runtime install is 6 MB. That's nothin' compared to installing the Java 6 Runtime Environment which is like 40 MB last I checked or the .Net Framework upgrades that are close to 300 MB now. The major difference between what you do and I do is you still use Visual Basic 6 and I use Visual C++ 2008 along with the Windows Platform SDK to write my games. I need the Visual Basic Runtime to play your games and you need the Visual C++ Runtime to play mine. It is not a big deal really. As for Jaws 4.02, yeah, that's pretty ancient. There is a lot of applications it does not support like Mozilla Firefox 3.6, Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft Office 2007, and so on. You couldn't even think about upgrading to Windows 7 without a major Jaws upgrade to Jaws 11 which would be extremely expensive for you sinceyou are so far behind on updates. You'd pretty much have to use an open source alternative like NVDA instead if cost is a major factor in upgrading. I'm not going to argue with your choices and decisions as you have what you obviously like. Willem and I feel differently. I for one really like Firefox and hardly ever use Internet Explorer. That is of course a personal decision, because I feel it is more secure and I love the multitab browsing ability. Of course, Internet Explorer 8 now has multitab browsing too, but as with everything else Microsoft got the idea from someone else and now tries to passit off as their own idea. Sounds like another screen reader I know that goes by the name of Jaws. They pretty much got several of their features by copying innovations from other screen reader manufacturers and passed those updates off to their customers as new ideas who were ignorant of what the other screen reader manufacturers were doing. Smile. On 7/9/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Willem, My computer including Internet Explorer are working great! for me now. I have not heard one reason that I should up grade my computer other than some games would require it. And since I am running JFW 4.02 I am pretty sure that I would no longer be able to use many of the newer programs that Windows up dates would install. You know such as Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc etc. BTW you nor anyone else would need to up grade their computer to run any of my games. Well unless maybe if they are running Windows 98, 95 or 3.1. My games are all good to go on XP, Vista and Windows 7. Well ok, you need to do my WinKit.zip install for Vista and Windows 7, but my games really are designed to run with what the WinKit installs anyway. TGIF and BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Nope. My copy of Vista never had a classic start menu option or classic desktop option. It did however did allow you to set the control panel back to classic which I also liked. However, that option too is gone in Windows 7. HTH On 7/8/10, weis...@googlemail.com weis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, As far as I know vista did have an optional classic start menu, but they took that feature out in windows seven. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, I musgt agree with Willem here. It certainly isn't necessary to have the latest and greatest of everything, Jim, but I'd be willing to bet that some day soon there will be something you will want to use, and it won't be accessible with 4.02. Some of the stuff you don't want to upgrade makes sense, like JAWS and VB, also since you have gotten use to the programming IDE offered, and I must admit I prefer it over the newer visual studio interface. However, things like Windows Media Player arecertainly free to upgrade. I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:55 PM To: Hayden Presley Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden and all, Yes, JFW 4.02. Works great with IE 6.0, Windows Media player 8.0, The programming environment in VB6 and well with Windows XP in general including the command prompt, batch files and all of the programs that I write in VB6. Of course I have been a fan of Jaws since Jaws for dos version 1. BFN Jim If it works, don't fix it! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, I musgt agree with Willem here. It certainly isn't necessary to have the latest and greatest of everything, Jim, but I'd be willing to bet that some day soon there will be something you will want to use, and it won't be accessible with 4.02. Some of the stuff you don't want to upgrade makes sense, like JAWS and VB, also since you have gotten use to the programming IDE offered, and I must admit I prefer it over the newer visual studio interface. However, things like Windows Media Player arecertainly free to upgrade. I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:55 PM To: Hayden Presley Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden and all, Yes, JFW 4.02. Works great with IE 6.0, Windows Media player 8.0, The programming environment in VB6 and well with Windows XP in general including the command prompt, batch files and all of the programs that I write in VB6. Of course I have been a fan of Jaws since Jaws for dos version 1. BFN Jim If it works, don't fix it! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I believe I've heard that =myself. What I'd like to know is, how, in any way, did it benefit Microsoft to take it out in 7? If people love that fresh new interface, then they'll use it. The classic Start Menu is In nobody's way who doesn't want it there. I wonder how many people use XP who don't even know about the thing. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, As far as I know vista did have an optional classic start menu, but they took that feature out in windows seven. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net, Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:36:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Well, Vista didn't have a classic mode either. So I guess I had two or three years to get use to it. However, it isn't all doom and gloom. You can certainly change certain aspects of the new start menu to clean up some of the clutter people are talking about. Smile. On 7/8/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: That! really! stinks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi Jim, I musgt agree with Willem here. It certainly isn't necessary to have the latest and greatest of everything, Jim, but I'd be willing to bet that some day soon there will be something you will want to use, and it won't be accessible with 4.02. Some of the stuff you don't want to upgrade makes sense, like JAWS and VB, also since you have gotten use to the programming IDE offered, and I must admit I prefer it over the newer visual studio interface. However, things like Windows Media Player arecertainly free to upgrade. I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:55 PM To: Hayden Presley Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden and all, Yes, JFW 4.02. Works great with IE 6.0, Windows Media player 8.0, The programming environment in VB6 and well with Windows XP in general including the command prompt, batch files and all of the programs that I write in VB6. Of course I have been a fan of Jaws since Jaws for dos version 1. BFN Jim If it works, don't fix it! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I believe I've heard that =myself. What I'd like to know is, how, in any way, did it benefit Microsoft to take it out in 7? If people love that fresh new interface, then they'll use it. The classic Start Menu is In nobody's way who doesn't want it there. I wonder how many people use XP who don't even know about the thing. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, As far as I know vista did have an optional classic start menu, but they took that feature out in windows seven. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net, Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:36:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Well, Vista didn't have a classic mode either. So I guess I had two or three years to get use to it. However, it isn't all doom and gloom. You can certainly change certain aspects of the new start menu to clean up some of the clutter people are talking about. Smile. On 7/8/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: That! really! stinks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Doesn't Internet Explorer 8 have problems with FTP sites? I certainly know 7 did. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, Huh? Tha's bizarre. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:42 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden, Do you know that this message has been sent three times? Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff
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Hi Damien, Huh? Tha's bizarre. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:42 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden, Do you know that this message has been sent three times? Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff
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Hi Damien, I do not believe so. I recall someone let me on to their FTP server to download Night of Parasite once. I got it to open in the Windows Explorer interface, and it seemed to work well that way, anyway. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:24 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, Doesn't Internet Explorer 8 have problems with FTP sites? I certainly know 7 did. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, All I can say is you must have had a lot of bad luck as I've never had that problem. I often run Windows update and the system runs better and those patches fixes bugs, security problems, whatever in the operating system I am running. There are cases such as the upgrade to Internet Explorer 5 to Internet Explorer 6 where that was a bad decision because Internet Explorer 6 had a number of memory leaks and bugs that were eventually resolved in Internet Explorer 7 that is why I don't run anything less than Internet Explorer 7 and I happen to have Internet Explorer 8 which comes with Windows 7 anyway. However, by and large my system doesn't go to heck when I apply patches and upgrades. So I really don't understand what happened or why your system had that problem. What I can say is you have obviously had a few bad experiences with upgrades, I can see that by the tone of your message, and now your attitude is that all upgrades are bad. The if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality. Unfortunately, that is a very very narrow view of life and computer software in general, because it totally ignores some of the good things that can come from upgrading. Weather or not you use those features or not some of us do appreciate some of the things we get by upgrading. For example, Internet Explorer 8 comes with Windows 7 out of the box. I happen to feel it is a superior product over Internet Explorer 6 for a number of reasons. There were a numbr of bugs in Internet Explorer 6 that are no longer in Internet Explorer 8, it has multitab browsing, a built in pop up blocker, amung other nice handy little features. So with multitab browsing in I.E. 8 I can have my gmail inbox open in one tab and have something like Facebook open in another. I could even create a third tab and be browsing amazon.com in still yet another tab. It allows me to browse multiple websites or look at different pages at once for various reasons which I personally think comes in handy. You don't really realise how handy a feature like that comes in handy until you have it and begin using it regularly. It is a feature that meets the needs of those of us who spend a lot of time on the internet doing this or that. Basicly, whatI am saying is that your attitude towards upgrades is similar to attitudes some women have after they come out of a bad relationship. I've got a female friend like that, and her attitude is that all men suck and are jurks. Does that make it true? Well, of course not. However, since you had afew bad upgrade experiences, for one reason or another, now your attitude that upgrading is all bad, nothing but bad, and therefore no person in their right mind would do it. Well, I'm sorry that you had those bad experiences, but that's being overly critical in my opinion. Cheers! On 7/8/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Ok, but still all I hear is I need the latest, latest, latest, and as I stated every time I up grade my computer it goes to heck! So I plan to use my computer the way that it is until it dies and I need to somehow buy a new computer and a screen reader that will run on it. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Definitely. Multitab browsing is probably one of my favorite features in IE these days. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I must confess I found six a good deal less stable than 7 or 8, which is why I've upgraded to 8 on my desktop and seven on my laptop. however, I equally find the pop up blocker irritating sinse it tends to get in the way of playing games like Sryth or warriors 2 where pop ups are needed, not to mention pop up buying forms on some websites. I also much prefer having multiple windows to multiple tabs, something I do regularly when writing news or database updates for audiogames.net where I need the page I'm editing open in one window, and a second to bring up information I need such as game links to copy etc. i must confess while I see the point of tab brousing for a sited user who can view more than one set of information on screen at once, for me I just find it irritating sinse it's easier to go betwene different open windows which are separate than different tabs. All personal preference though of course. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, I'm actually glad you braught that up because that is a very good point. One I don't think many VI computer users think about since they only think about how they themselves use their computer rather than the mainstream public. As I have said many times on this list I generally work as a tech support person in my local area doing Windows upgrades, performing system restores, fixing a computer that has had a virus attack, setting up local networks for churches, whatever needs doing. The one thing I can tell you is most of the people out there running Windows XP do not use the classic desktop and classic start menu setup. Therefore that particular feature is not exactly in high demand by Microsoft's customers. The only people I hear complaining about not having that feature is VI computer users on this and other adaptive lists where so many VI computer users are unwilling to let go of the classic mode and use the default setup that comes with Windows 7 now. I don't see any reason for VI users to complain about it, because it is a fact of life and might as well accept it. As my mother-in-law always says, it is time to roll with the change. To be quite honest that is one of the reasons I really dislike working with some VI users. They have this attitude that upgrading to a new piece of software that uses a new menu system, uses ribbons instead of menus, whatever is the end of the world or something. Let's face it is not the end of the world. You can adapt, relearn to use it, if you are willing to change. Some people apparently aren't which is the problem. For those people who don't want to accept change then don't. You can run your old software, old computer, etc until it dies. It doesn't effect the rest of us who have decided to move on with life. However, if you choose to stick with the old don't complain about the rest of us who have decided to adopt new software and new ways of doing things, and don't complain if your old software or old computer isn't supported any more. You made that choice so live with it. Let's face it if you absolutely hate Windows 7 that bad there are alternatives. You can buy a Macbook with Mac OS X on it. You can buy a new Del Notebook computer already loaded with Ubuntu Linux 10 on it. You don't have to ever use Windows at all any more if you don't want too because both Mac and Linux have screen readers available as well. Maybe not Jaws quality, but they do exist and are functionally decent enough to use. Anyway, to get back to the subject of this e-mail things in the sighted world will always market to the sighted computer user first. That's a fact of life. As you said Microsoft wouldn't remove a feature if it was something truly important to a sighted majority. The classic start menu etc obviously is not as the new Windows 7 interface is easier to use if you are using it with a mouse and can see it. Therefore the classic start menu etc would be seen as a major downgrade of the user interface in the eyes of many sighted computer users. Why would they want to go back to an older and visually less user friendly interface? Cheers! On 7/9/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I believe I've heard that =myself. What I'd like to know is, how, in any way, did it benefit Microsoft to take it out in 7? If people love that fresh new interface, then they'll use it. The classic Start Menu is In nobody's way who doesn't want it there. I wonder how many people use XP who don't even know about the thing. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Wow, so what's the issue here?… First off, Jim, I agree with you that it's certainly nice to have a system that gives you a good comfort level and I'd actually go so far as to say downright necessary. -But this is where my understanding of people's complaints about this issue ends. I mean, what are people griping about here? This is not a developer's responsibility to need to take every single user's configuration into account. -If you can't play the game, then you can't play the game. What's the issue?… it's just a game!… So why are people complaining?… Anyway, Jim, I'm sure not targeting you here, as I'm just getting into this thread late. I guess I'm just not sure what people are expecting from developers here, and to be sure, Thomas is paying way more attention than most devs would. So just not sure why people are whining so much. That's all… Anyway, thanks for reading and do have a lovely weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) On Jul 8, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Thomas, Ok, but still all I hear is I need the latest, latest, latest, and as I stated every time I up grade my computer it goes to heck! So I plan to use my computer the way that it is until it dies and I need to somehow buy a new computer and a screen reader that will run on it. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Yes, that was definitely one of the reasons I went to straight C++. I didn't feel people needed to download and install a number of extra dependencies like the .Net Framework, Managed DirectX, etc. I still hold to that reasoning However, you still need to have the latest C++ Windows libraries to run my games because I am using a newer version of Visual C++ that links against the Windows 7.1 Windows Platform SDK libraries which are newer than those that ship with XP by default. However, downloading the latest Visual C++ runtime update is much much smaller than the .Net Framework and Managed DirectX. It is just one of those prices you pay for trying to maintain an upto date C++ application for Windows while maintaining some backwards compatibility with older Windows releases like XP that are beginning to show their age from a programming point of view. The other reason I picked C++ is eventually, I don't know when, I'd still like to make non-Windows releases of my games for Mac OS X and Linux. It is not really feasable to do that using .Net because the Mono Framework for Linux and Mac isn't completely 100% compatible with the Microsoft .Net Framework. Instead a game written in C++ is mostly compatible with non-Windows releases already, but I would certainly have to rewrite audio, input, and other operating system specific parts of the core to support non-Windows operating systems. Having it in C++ atleast makes that possible, but still would be something of a major update to the code as well. So to answer your question I'm not asking anyone to be running the latest and greatest Windows releases to play my games. I happen to have an older laptop here, I got back in 2005, with Windows XP SP3 on it and Mysteries of the Ancients runs fine on it provided I have installed the latest XP Windows updates and have installed the latest Windows C++ libraries. So I don't see asking a user to apply a few Windows updates, which a person should do anyway for the latest critical updates, security patches, and various ccompatibility updates as a big issue. Usually installing the dependencies you would need for my games are less than 50 MB not 300 or more MB. As to why I am using the latest C++ libraries the answer is two-fold. Number one, I happen to be running Windows 7 on my newer laptop and since I want it to work smoothly with Windows 7 that means I should be linking against the most compatible libraries for that operating system. Number two, I'm using the latest Visual Studio development tools and by default they link against the newest Windows Platform SDK headers and libraries. It doesn't make much sense to go to the Microsoft website and download a much older release of the Platform SDK to use the lowest common denominator when newer C++ libraries are available for XP anyway. The customer just needs to install them to bring his/her XP system up to date is all. So I have not changed my mind. The issue is a technical one not a personal one. I don't see the need to post a dozen versions of the program on the website like for Windows XP click here, for Vista click here, and for Windows 7 click here, etc. That's just stupid when I can design the program to run on any and all of the above provided the persons computer has reasonably new version of the XP, Vista, or Windows 7 C++ libraries. HTH On 7/8/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Just wondering. I thought that you had decided to program in straight C++ so that people did not need to down load 300 meg of up grades to be able to run your game like they did when it was in C net. But now you have changed your mind and again
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Hi Damien, That I don't really know the answer to because I generally don't use Firefox or Internet Explorer for ftp access. I always use a ftp client like Filezilla to access ftp sites. So no practical experience with using Internet Explorer 8 for ftp here. HTH On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Doesn't Internet Explorer 8 have problems with FTP sites? I certainly know 7 did. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, Yeah, I know for a fact Internet Explorer 6 works this way, but I witnessed my music teacher struggle to access my FTP with Internet Explorer 7 to download a piece of coursework I had done. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, I do not believe so. I recall someone let me on to their FTP server to download Night of Parasite once. I got it to open in the Windows Explorer interface, and it seemed to work well that way, anyway. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:24 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, Doesn't Internet Explorer 8 have problems with FTP sites? I certainly know 7 did. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, You have the mentality of a counsellor. Grin. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Jim, All I can say is you must have had a lot of bad luck as I've never had that problem. I often run Windows update and the system runs better and those patches fixes bugs, security problems, whatever in the operating system I am running. There are cases such as the upgrade to Internet Explorer 5 to Internet Explorer 6 where that was a bad decision because Internet Explorer 6 had a number of memory leaks and bugs that were eventually resolved in Internet Explorer 7 that is why I don't run anything less than Internet Explorer 7 and I happen to have Internet Explorer 8 which comes with Windows 7 anyway. However, by and large my system doesn't go to heck when I apply patches and upgrades. So I really don't understand what happened or why your system had that problem. What I can say is you have obviously had a few bad experiences with upgrades, I can see that by the tone of your message, and now your attitude is that all upgrades are bad. The if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality. Unfortunately, that is a very very narrow view of life and computer software in general, because it totally ignores some of the good things that can come from upgrading. Weather or not you use those features or not some of us do appreciate some of the things we get by upgrading. For example, Internet Explorer 8 comes with Windows 7 out of the box. I happen to feel it is a superior product over Internet Explorer 6 for a number of reasons. There were a numbr of bugs in Internet Explorer 6 that are no longer in Internet Explorer 8, it has multitab browsing, a built in pop up blocker, amung other nice handy little features. So with multitab browsing in I.E. 8 I can have my gmail inbox open in one tab and have something like Facebook open in another. I could even create a third tab and be browsing amazon.com in still yet another tab. It allows me to browse multiple websites or look at different pages at once for various reasons which I personally think comes in handy. You don't really realise how handy a feature like that comes in handy until you have it and begin using it regularly. It is a feature that meets the needs of those of us who spend a lot of time on the internet doing this or that. Basicly, whatI am saying is that your attitude towards upgrades is similar to attitudes some women have after they come out of a bad relationship. I've got a female friend like that, and her attitude is that all men suck and are jurks. Does that make it true? Well, of course not. However, since you had afew bad upgrade experiences, for one reason or another, now your attitude that upgrading is all bad, nothing but bad, and therefore no person in their right mind would do it. Well, I'm sorry that you had those bad experiences, but that's being overly critical in my opinion. Cheers! On 7/8/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Ok, but still all I hear is I need the latest, latest, latest, and as I stated every time I up grade my computer it goes to heck! So I plan to use my computer the way that it is until it dies and I need to somehow buy a new computer and a screen reader that will run on it. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi Dark, I have to agree with you there about separate tabs versus windows, but certainly a pop up blocker would be useful I think, and if you need to play games where pop ups are needed there should always be an option to disable and reenable the blocker when necessary. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I must confess I found six a good deal less stable than 7 or 8, which is why I've upgraded to 8 on my desktop and seven on my laptop. however, I equally find the pop up blocker irritating sinse it tends to get in the way of playing games like Sryth or warriors 2 where pop ups are needed, not to mention pop up buying forms on some websites. I also much prefer having multiple windows to multiple tabs, something I do regularly when writing news or database updates for audiogames.net where I need the page I'm editing open in one window, and a second to bring up information I need such as game links to copy etc. i must confess while I see the point of tab brousing for a sited user who can view more than one set of information on screen at once, for me I just find it irritating sinse it's easier to go betwene different open windows which are separate than different tabs. All personal preference though of course. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, The problem here is, even some sighted people don't know how to use it. Heck, I have trouble getting somebody sighted to help me do a reinstall of XP simply because they don't know how radio buttons work, etc, etc. What I'm trying to say is, while there are maybe a load of people who will benefit from the upgrade, newbies and VI users do not, and it's time more people started fighting for their rights. Like I said before, if blind people just go with the flow then how on earth are other people in this world going to be able to cater for us? Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Hayden, I'm actually glad you braught that up because that is a very good point. One I don't think many VI computer users think about since they only think about how they themselves use their computer rather than the mainstream public. As I have said many times on this list I generally work as a tech support person in my local area doing Windows upgrades, performing system restores, fixing a computer that has had a virus attack, setting up local networks for churches, whatever needs doing. The one thing I can tell you is most of the people out there running Windows XP do not use the classic desktop and classic start menu setup. Therefore that particular feature is not exactly in high demand by Microsoft's customers. The only people I hear complaining about not having that feature is VI computer users on this and other adaptive lists where so many VI computer users are unwilling to let go of the classic mode and use the default setup that comes with Windows 7 now. I don't see any reason for VI users to complain about it, because it is a fact of life and might as well accept it. As my mother-in-law always says, it is time to roll with the change. To be quite honest that is one of the reasons I really dislike working with some VI users. They have this attitude that upgrading to a new piece of software that uses a new menu system, uses ribbons instead of menus, whatever is the end of the world or something. Let's face it is not the end of the world. You can adapt, relearn to use it, if you are willing to change. Some people apparently aren't which is the problem. For those people who don't want to accept change then don't. You can run your old software, old computer, etc until it dies. It doesn't effect the rest of us who have decided to move on with life. However, if you choose to stick with the old don't complain about the rest of us who have decided to adopt new software and new ways of doing things, and don't complain if your old software or old computer isn't supported any more. You made that choice so live with it. Let's face it if you absolutely hate Windows 7 that bad there are alternatives. You can buy a Macbook with Mac OS X on it. You can buy a new Del Notebook computer already loaded with Ubuntu Linux 10 on it. You don't have to ever use Windows at all any more if you don't want too because both Mac and Linux have screen readers available as well. Maybe not Jaws quality, but they do exist and are functionally decent enough to use. Anyway, to get back to the subject of this e-mail things in the sighted world will always market to the sighted computer user first. That's a fact of life. As you said Microsoft wouldn't remove a feature if it was something truly important to a sighted majority. The classic start menu etc obviously is not as the new Windows 7 interface is easier to use if you are using it with a mouse and can see it. Therefore the classic start menu etc would be seen as a major downgrade of the user interface in the eyes of many sighted computer users. Why would they want to go back to an older and visually less user friendly interface? Cheers! On 7/9/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I believe I've heard that =myself. What I'd like to know is, how, in any way, did it benefit Microsoft to take it out in 7? If people love that fresh new interface, then they'll use it. The classic Start Menu is In nobody's way who doesn't want it there. I wonder how many people use XP who don't even know about the thing. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web
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That's it. They should have left it in as an option for those who do want it. For those who don't, they don't have to use it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, I believe I've heard that =myself. What I'd like to know is, how, in any way, did it benefit Microsoft to take it out in 7? If people love that fresh new interface, then they'll use it. The classic Start Menu is In nobody's way who doesn't want it there. I wonder how many people use XP who don't even know about the thing. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, As far as I know vista did have an optional classic start menu, but they took that feature out in windows seven. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net, Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:36:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Well, Vista didn't have a classic mode either. So I guess I had two or three years to get use to it. However, it isn't all doom and gloom. You can certainly change certain aspects of the new start menu to clean up some of the clutter people are talking about. Smile. On 7/8/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: That! really! stinks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I deffinately agree tom, there isn't much point in either complaning of a changing interface or of refusing to upgrade. However, there is another side to the coin. Suppose there was a building which had previously had a ramp to the front door. After some rebuilding work, the ramp was replaced with a flight of steps, and if a wheel chair user wanted to enter the building they were required to make a five minute detour around the building to the back. Yes, the building is stil accessable, and no, it wouldn't bennifit anyone for someone in a wheel chair to refuse to use it, however in removing steps to the front door, the building's owners have increased the amount of time, effort and trouble which wheel chair users need to get into the building. this is how I view a lot of interface changes. Yes, they are stil accessible, however because of using ribbons with fewer hotkeys, increasing the amount of on screen information and context sensative information thus making the interface more cluttered and difficult to navigate, microsoft (or any designer), have increased the amount of time and effort necessary to use their application. In Xp, I have customized the menues and setup to work in the way I personally want them. I have removed all the clutter and created subfolders short cuts and directories which both are relevant to my own computer use, and specifically tailered to navigating more quickly using Hal. In windows 7 however from what I understand, this amount of customization is much less possible sinse the menue structure is basically different from the classic layout. The same may be said for the ribbon structure in office 2007. is it useable? yes, but with more effort, and with less access to customizing the interface because, as I might say in a typical display of microsoft thinking, people are not expected to customize their own interface but use the provided context sensative menues and search boxes instead. I am in no way saying I refuse to upgrade my system when the time comes, only that it will take more effort because the interface is so much less customizable, and because microsoft are not concerned with making the lives of Vi computer users in any way easier or less concerned with effort. I fully agree there is litle point saying I reffuse or attempting to only use older versions because odds are compatibility issues will come up, however I do think there are legitimate grounds for complaint, albeit the complaining isn't exactly productive. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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There is, but I just found it too irritating suddenly realizing a given game would need a popup. Pluss Hal has a great way of checking if something is a bad popup or not anyway by just hitting the read status bar key, sinse if it doesn't come up with something sensable it's an add and you can just hit alt F4. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, I have to agree with you there about separate tabs versus windows, but certainly a pop up blocker would be useful I think, and if you need to play games where pop ups are needed there should always be an option to disable and reenable the blocker when necessary. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I must confess I found six a good deal less stable than 7 or 8, which is why I've upgraded to 8 on my desktop and seven on my laptop. however, I equally find the pop up blocker irritating sinse it tends to get in the way of playing games like Sryth or warriors 2 where pop ups are needed, not to mention pop up buying forms on some websites. I also much prefer having multiple windows to multiple tabs, something I do regularly when writing news or database updates for audiogames.net where I need the page I'm editing open in one window, and a second to bring up information I need such as game links to copy etc. i must confess while I see the point of tab brousing for a sited user who can view more than one set of information on screen at once, for me I just find it irritating sinse it's easier to go betwene different open windows which are separate than different tabs. All personal preference though of course. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
I agree charles, goodness knows what my Dad, my tutor or some other computer novices will do with windows 7. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error That's it. They should have left it in as an option for those who do want it. For those who don't, they don't have to use it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, I believe I've heard that =myself. What I'd like to know is, how, in any way, did it benefit Microsoft to take it out in 7? If people love that fresh new interface, then they'll use it. The classic Start Menu is In nobody's way who doesn't want it there. I wonder how many people use XP who don't even know about the thing. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, As far as I know vista did have an optional classic start menu, but they took that feature out in windows seven. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net, Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:36:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Well, Vista didn't have a classic mode either. So I guess I had two or three years to get use to it. However, it isn't all doom and gloom. You can certainly change certain aspects of the new start menu to clean up some of the clutter people are talking about. Smile. On 7/8/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: That! really! stinks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Excellent analogy! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I deffinately agree tom, there isn't much point in either complaning of a changing interface or of refusing to upgrade. However, there is another side to the coin. Suppose there was a building which had previously had a ramp to the front door. After some rebuilding work, the ramp was replaced with a flight of steps, and if a wheel chair user wanted to enter the building they were required to make a five minute detour around the building to the back. Yes, the building is stil accessable, and no, it wouldn't bennifit anyone for someone in a wheel chair to refuse to use it, however in removing steps to the front door, the building's owners have increased the amount of time, effort and trouble which wheel chair users need to get into the building. this is how I view a lot of interface changes. Yes, they are stil accessible, however because of using ribbons with fewer hotkeys, increasing the amount of on screen information and context sensative information thus making the interface more cluttered and difficult to navigate, microsoft (or any designer), have increased the amount of time and effort necessary to use their application. In Xp, I have customized the menues and setup to work in the way I personally want them. I have removed all the clutter and created subfolders short cuts and directories which both are relevant to my own computer use, and specifically tailered to navigating more quickly using Hal. In windows 7 however from what I understand, this amount of customization is much less possible sinse the menue structure is basically different from the classic layout. The same may be said for the ribbon structure in office 2007. is it useable? yes, but with more effort, and with less access to customizing the interface because, as I might say in a typical display of microsoft thinking, people are not expected to customize their own interface but use the provided context sensative menues and search boxes instead. I am in no way saying I refuse to upgrade my system when the time comes, only that it will take more effort because the interface is so much less customizable, and because microsoft are not concerned with making the lives of Vi computer users in any way easier or less concerned with effort. I fully agree there is litle point saying I reffuse or attempting to only use older versions because odds are compatibility issues will come up, however I do think there are legitimate grounds for complaint, albeit the complaining isn't exactly productive. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
In IE 8, there is. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, I have to agree with you there about separate tabs versus windows, but certainly a pop up blocker would be useful I think, and if you need to play games where pop ups are needed there should always be an option to disable and reenable the blocker when necessary. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I must confess I found six a good deal less stable than 7 or 8, which is why I've upgraded to 8 on my desktop and seven on my laptop. however, I equally find the pop up blocker irritating sinse it tends to get in the way of playing games like Sryth or warriors 2 where pop ups are needed, not to mention pop up buying forms on some websites. I also much prefer having multiple windows to multiple tabs, something I do regularly when writing news or database updates for audiogames.net where I need the page I'm editing open in one window, and a second to bring up information I need such as game links to copy etc. i must confess while I see the point of tab brousing for a sited user who can view more than one set of information on screen at once, for me I just find it irritating sinse it's easier to go betwene different open windows which are separate than different tabs. All personal preference though of course. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his/her computer up by installing a 6 MB patch that updates a few common Windows libraries. I'm sorry to say but in my opinion that is just being thick headed, stupid, and too stubern to change even if it might actually improve things for you and make a slightly more stable and better product in the long run. Finally, there is one other thing to take in account here. You have mentioned many times you like Visual Basic 6 and like Windows XP and are happy with it. That's fine as far as it goes, but I don't think you personally care if your games run on Windows 7 or whatever comes after Windows 7 because you have no plans to upgrade etc. Well, some of us do care about such things. I realize that Windows XP isn't going to be around forever so I have chosen to adopt a programming standard that hopefully will be compatible with both new and older Windows releases for some time to come. Once and a while that may mean upgrading or adopting a newer API or dll file that maintains some level of compatibility with XP all the way up to Windows 7 and beyond. I'm not forcing you or anyone to upgrade to the absolutely latest Windows release out there. I'm only making it possible that if you or anyone else wants to upgrade you will be able to run my products just as well on the newer Windows releases as you did on your previous release. Now, tell me what is so wrong with this approach? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Tom: I'll tell you what is wrong with your approach from the viewpoint of an XP user in two words. Absolutely nothing. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his/her computer up by installing a 6 MB patch that updates a few common Windows libraries. I'm sorry to say but in my opinion that is just being thick headed, stupid, and too stubern to change even if it might actually improve things for you and make a slightly more stable and better product in the long run. Finally, there is one other thing to take in account here. You have mentioned many times you like Visual Basic 6 and like Windows XP and are happy with it. That's fine as far as it goes, but I don't think you personally care if your games run on Windows 7 or whatever comes after Windows 7 because you have no plans to upgrade etc. Well, some of us do care about such things. I realize that Windows XP isn't going to be around forever so I have chosen to adopt a programming standard that hopefully will be compatible with both new and older Windows releases for some time to come. Once and a while that may mean upgrading or adopting a newer API or dll file that maintains some level of compatibility with XP all the way up to Windows 7 and beyond. I'm not forcing you or anyone to upgrade to the absolutely latest Windows release out there. I'm only making it possible that if you or anyone else wants to upgrade you will be able to run my products just as well on the newer Windows releases as you did on your previous release. Now, tell me what is so wrong with this approach? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi, I think sighted people should blindfold themselves, use their computer from a blind person's perspective, and team up with us to petition companies (not just computer companies either) to stop being so heartless and make things more accessible for us. Then we'll certainly have backup for the future of our prejudiced world and stamp on the attitude of majority can enjoy themselves and minority can stuff it and struggle. I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me there, I know my partner definitely does. Otherwise they are breaking various legislative acts regarding disability discrimination. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I deffinately agree tom, there isn't much point in either complaning of a changing interface or of refusing to upgrade. However, there is another side to the coin. Suppose there was a building which had previously had a ramp to the front door. After some rebuilding work, the ramp was replaced with a flight of steps, and if a wheel chair user wanted to enter the building they were required to make a five minute detour around the building to the back. Yes, the building is stil accessable, and no, it wouldn't bennifit anyone for someone in a wheel chair to refuse to use it, however in removing steps to the front door, the building's owners have increased the amount of time, effort and trouble which wheel chair users need to get into the building. this is how I view a lot of interface changes. Yes, they are stil accessible, however because of using ribbons with fewer hotkeys, increasing the amount of on screen information and context sensative information thus making the interface more cluttered and difficult to navigate, microsoft (or any designer), have increased the amount of time and effort necessary to use their application. In Xp, I have customized the menues and setup to work in the way I personally want them. I have removed all the clutter and created subfolders short cuts and directories which both are relevant to my own computer use, and specifically tailered to navigating more quickly using Hal. In windows 7 however from what I understand, this amount of customization is much less possible sinse the menue structure is basically different from the classic layout. The same may be said for the ribbon structure in office 2007. is it useable? yes, but with more effort, and with less access to customizing the interface because, as I might say in a typical display of microsoft thinking, people are not expected to customize their own interface but use the provided context sensative menues and search boxes instead. I am in no way saying I refuse to upgrade my system when the time comes, only that it will take more effort because the interface is so much less customizable, and because microsoft are not concerned with making the lives of Vi computer users in any way easier or less concerned with effort. I fully agree there is litle point saying I reffuse or attempting to only use older versions because odds are compatibility issues will come up, however I do think there are legitimate grounds for complaint, albeit the complaining isn't exactly productive. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The problem is damian, even in countries like the Us who have a pretty good disability reccord the legal requirements for a computer system, building, book, or anything else to be accessible are solely based on whether it can! be used by a disabled person, not on how much effort it takes. This is actually one thing I hope my phd thesis will highlight, that a large percentage of what defigns any disability is not merely be able to do or not do something, but how much effort it takes, and that this should be practically recognized in lore and public life. however, unless I manage to end up on some sort of governmental focus group working to draught disability legislation, I can't really see this making overly much difference, especially to huge, multinational coorperations such a Microsoft who are basically above the law anyway, just look at the treatment of their workers in many parts of the world. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I couldn't agree more Thomas. I don't even have the, as Jim put it, Latest and greatest everything, and MOTA runs just fine on my machine. Heck, I don't even have Windows 7, nor do I know when I'll be able to upgrade. In fact I seem to recall MOTA running just fine on my old XP machine which died about a year ago. So while I understand Jim's apprehension I definitely don't see the alleged forcing he mentions. I wouldn't be surprised if he installed those few add-ons and updates which I don't recall requiring much space, downloaded and installed MOTA and it ran just fine for him. THen if he really didn't like the game he could always uninstall it and no harm done. So I can definitely understand your frustration here. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his/her computer up by installing a 6 MB patch that updates a few common Windows libraries. I'm sorry to say but in my opinion that is just being thick headed, stupid, and too stubern to change even if it might actually improve things for you and make a slightly more stable and better product in the long run. Finally, there is one other thing to take in account here. You have mentioned many times you like Visual Basic 6 and like Windows XP and are happy with it. That's fine as far as it goes, but I don't think you personally care if your games run on Windows 7 or whatever comes after Windows 7 because you have no plans to upgrade etc. Well, some of us do care about such things. I realize that Windows XP isn't going to be around forever so I have chosen to adopt a programming standard that hopefully will be compatible with both new and older Windows releases for some time to come. Once and a while that may mean upgrading or adopting a newer API or dll file that maintains some level of compatibility with XP all the way up to Windows 7 and beyond. I'm not forcing you or anyone to upgrade to the absolutely latest Windows release out there. I'm only making it possible
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Hi Damien, Ok, I think before you can really understand my opinion, where I am coming from, I think you and the others need to know something about me personally. My life experiences, what I do for a living, etc all have help shaped my opinion on this issue and may seam rather drastic or extreme compared to your own opinions as a result. Never-the-less who I am and what I believe is none-the-less the sum total of my life experiences with working on computers over many years both as a sighted user and as a blind user. For starters back in the mid 1990's I began using Windows 3.1 and later Windows 95 when I still had some useful vision remaining. Eventually around 95 my vision got too bad to be able to read the text clearly so I got Jaws to read the text on the screen but I could still see a dialog box, buttons, check boxes, etc even if I couldn't actually read the text on the screen. As a result I got enough experience with Windows to use it as a sighted user uses it for a little while and completely understand where they are coming from on this issue from a visual point of view. However, for the past 12 years or so I have been totally blind and totally dependant on Jaws or Window-Eyes to use my computer. As a result I also know full well what it is like to use a computer from a blind man's point of view. It is a totally different experience when things that are visually friendly are not exactly blind friendly, because how we operate computers are inharently different a lot of the time. For example, when Jaws or Window-Eyes reads a web page the screen reader often reformats it so that it is contextually more understandable than the way it is visually being shown on screen. This is certainly not bad in most cases, but it also makes a big difference between the way we understand the layout of a web page and the way it actually is. So if someone tries to describe where something is on screen or we try and tell them there is a lot of room for confusion because the way a blind person and a sighted person view that web page, dialog box, whatever is completely different because how it is shown and described to us via our screen reader. I think because I started using computers as a sighted user, not a blind user, I'd prefer to be able to operate my system in amanner a sighted person does rather than have special accessibility modes, be able to use classic mode, whatever as that is contrary to what the sighted user does. I think to truly be equal with our sighted peers we need to be able to interact with our computers just like they do, and make the default way of doing things as accessible as possible. For that reason I force myself to learn how they operate the computer, use the more visually friendly start menu, etc so I can be equal with them as much as possible. Since the new Windows 7 start menu is fully accessible anyway I don't see going back to a classic start menu as a big deal. What you are calling your rights I see nothing more as a want. It is a want because it is what you are use to for the past 15 years, what you like, etc and has absolutely nothing to do with accessibility what so ever in this case. The other important reason I feel this way has to do with my job. While most people on list know I am a programmer most of the time I make money by doing general tech support work locally. Since all of my customers are sighted, not blind, i have to be able to relate to them as a sighted user and not as a blind user. For that reason if I am doing a tech support call I might tell the client to double left click on this, right click that, or select this or that from the control panel etc. It would make no sense for me to give them directions using hundreds of hot keys they don't know, or give them directions based on classic view settings as most sighted computers aren't setup that way to begin with. I quite litterally have to know and understand how the clients operate their computers, from a purely sighted point of view, to help them. For example, Windows Vista has a web view and a classic view for the Windows control panel. While I personally like the classic control panel myself that's not going to do me any good if I am talking to a client on the phone that has Windows Vista configured using the default web view. I still need to be able to tell them where to go and what link to click on to bring this or that setting up etc. Therefore as a blind tech support specialist I have to work in a sighted man's world everyday and can't afford to let my own personal likes/dislikes get in the way of how my clients' computer is setup and operated. So I generally configure my computer the same way they do so I am familiar with what they need help with, and I am also in my own way equal with them too. I am interacting with my computer as a sighted user does, as much as possible, and that makes me feel good. Finally, there is a time when configuring or formatting something for accessibility and not doing so is
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well the blocker is on xpsp3 anyway. At 03:52 a.m. 10/07/2010, you wrote: Hi Damien, Ah, but I seam to recall there was a massive memory leak in Internet Explorer 6 that was resolved in Internet Explorer 7 and above. So that right there is a good reason to upgrade Internet Explorer if nothing else. Another feature you guys are missing is the Internet Explorer pop up blocker which keeps several pop ups from coming up on most of the websites you go to, multitabbed browsing that allows you to have multiple web pages open at the same time, etc. there are some really nice features of Internet Explorer 8 you are not taking advantage of by choosing to stick with Internet Explorer 6. Not to say the least bug fixes etc. Cheers! On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Jim, I am more or less the same. I am running Jaws 7, Internet Explorer 6, Visual Studio 6, Skype 2.5, Windows Messenger (the default version that comes with XP), etc. About the only thing I update often are my audio software and games. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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HI Damien, Thanks. Who me? I don't know if I have the mentality of a counselor or not, but I usually try to talk to people through reason and logic. Even when I am angry I like to give people both sides of their own argument if I can. Make them see that every argument has two sides, and there are two ways of looking at the same issue. Sometimes there is adrastic difference of opinion that can't be met in the middle, but a lot of times looking at a situation logically, with an open mind to asolution, will help bring clarity to both sides of the argument. You may disagree on the solution, which side is right/wrong, whatever but it helps to at least know and try and understand the other guys point of view too. Smile. On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Thomas, You have the mentality of a counsellor. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? Yes Sir, I know that I am very far behind with JFW 4.02. It does and has worked for me every since I have gone from Windows 98 to XP. And yes, the expense of JFW 11 is a problem for me since the state nor anyone else has ever paid for any hardware or software for me. You know, no JFW, note taker, braille display or anything. Of course that is because I am not a student and not looking to be employed. I must also say, that I am not a multi tasker. One web site or whatever is as much as I can handle at a time. Well you know other than I can appreciate that I can highlight text on a web site etc and then also open Note Pad or whatever to paste that text into it to save as a text file for future reference etc. I'm not sure, I will have to try to open more than one web site at a time. I'm sure though that I would have to open more than one instance of Internet Explorer to do that. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Ah, but we aren't so different really. If I want to play your games on Windows 7, which I do, I have to install Winkit to get the backwards compatibility runtime libraries for VB. Well, if you want to play my games on XP you have to install the latest Visual C++ Runtime libraries. Either one is not very big, and according to the Microsoft website the full Visual C++ runtime install is 6 MB. That's nothin' compared to installing the Java 6 Runtime Environment which is like 40 MB last I checked or the .Net Framework upgrades that are close to 300 MB now. The major difference between what you do and I do is you still use Visual Basic 6 and I use Visual C++ 2008 along with the Windows Platform SDK to write my games. I need the Visual Basic Runtime to play your games and you need the Visual C++ Runtime to play mine. It is not a big deal really. As for Jaws 4.02, yeah, that's pretty ancient. There is a lot of applications it does not support like Mozilla Firefox 3.6, Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft Office 2007, and so on. You couldn't even think about upgrading to Windows 7 without a major Jaws upgrade to Jaws 11 which would be extremely expensive for you sinceyou are so far behind on updates. You'd pretty much have to use an open source alternative like NVDA instead if cost is a major factor in upgrading. I'm not going to argue with your choices and decisions as you have what you obviously like. Willem and I feel differently. I for one really like Firefox and hardly ever use Internet Explorer. That is of course a personal decision, because I feel it is more secure and I love the multitab browsing ability. Of course, Internet Explorer 8 now has multitab browsing too, but as with everything else Microsoft got the idea from someone else and now tries to passit off as their own idea. Sounds like another screen reader I know that goes by the name of Jaws. They pretty much got several of their features by copying innovations from other screen reader manufacturers and passed those updates off to their customers as new ideas who were ignorant of what the other screen reader manufacturers were doing. Smile. Jim I'm amazed, that it works at all. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Haden, I hate to disagree with you, but I have been running Windows XP as I have it on my computers for something like 8 years. You know that is as it came from Dell with no up grades or anything. Well other than the software that I have written to make certain taskes easier and quicker for me to do. But otherwise my computers do everything that I want them to do. Within reason that is. - Original Message - Hi Jim, I musgt agree with Willem here. It certainly isn't necessary to have the latest and greatest of everything, Jim, but I'd be willing to bet that some day soon there will be something you will want to use, and it won't be accessible with 4.02. Some of the stuff you don't want to upgrade makes sense, like JAWS and VB, also since you have gotten use to the programming IDE offered, and I must admit I prefer it over the newer visual studio interface. However, things like Windows Media Player arecertainly free to upgrade. I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden Jim The only thing that I hunt is chicks, foxes and beaver. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Cara, As I see it, we are just having one of those classic no resolution stubborn discussions about people who feel the need to be running the newest software as compared to those who do not feel the need to up grade everything if one's computer is running fine and doing what one wants it to do. You know it is kind of like the argument about which screen reader is the best. People just have their opinions, likes and dislikes and they will probably never change. As you said, comfort with what one has is probably a very big part of that. TGIF and BFN Jim I have become comfortably numb. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, May I ask, are you saying that Windows 7 no longer even has a desk top where one can create short cut icons? TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi, Nope. My copy of Vista never had a classic start menu option or classic desktop option. It did however did allow you to set the control panel back to classic which I also liked. However, that option too is gone in Windows 7. HTH Jim WHAT??? Give up C:\ for silly ICONS? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, I was only referring to one needing the latest C++ libraries to be able to run your newest beta 13 of MOTA. And that before that you had again changed your mind and again rewritten MOTA to or not to need the newest Microsoft software or a third party app for your game to run. I had down loaded MOTA beta 12 because I thought that in that rewrite you had gone with I believe straight C++ and DirectX and with that I thought that I would be able to run that version of your game without the fear of needing to install up grades etc that might blow up my computer. BTW I Kitchensinc definitely have not been left in the dust as you stated. I receive Email from new and old fans daily. But hey maybe one day if you ever put out and support one game, it may be the day that I am left in the dust. But hey, I ain't worried about it at all cause what has it been four or near five years since you bought out James North? And I have put out quite a few very popular games in that time. Speaking of spell checkers, It doesn't seem that you yourself ever have used one. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his/her computer up by installing a 6 MB patch that updates a few common Windows libraries. I'm sorry to say but in my opinion that is just being thick headed, stupid, and too stubern to change even if it might actually improve things for you and make a slightly more stable and better product in the long run. Finally, there is one other thing to take in account here. You have mentioned many times you like Visual Basic 6 and like Windows XP and are happy with it. That's fine as far as it goes, but I don't think you personally care if your games run on Windows 7 or whatever comes after Windows 7 because you have no plans to upgrade etc. Well, some of us do care about such things. I realize that Windows XP isn't going to be around forever so I have chosen to adopt a programming standard that hopefully will be compatible with both new and older Windows releases for some time to come. Once and a while that may mean upgrading or adopting a newer API or dll file that maintains some level of compatibility with
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Hi Thomas, Yeah, I always try and see things from both side if I can, though I will admit it is hard for me, being totally blind since birth, to try and see things from a sighted perspective. Part of it is incomprehension, but another part of it is, well, I don't know. Jealousy? Paranoia? Humiliation? Maybe something completely different. I haven't quite worked it out myself yet. Grin. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error HI Damien, Thanks. Who me? I don't know if I have the mentality of a counselor or not, but I usually try to talk to people through reason and logic. Even when I am angry I like to give people both sides of their own argument if I can. Make them see that every argument has two sides, and there are two ways of looking at the same issue. Sometimes there is adrastic difference of opinion that can't be met in the middle, but a lot of times looking at a situation logically, with an open mind to asolution, will help bring clarity to both sides of the argument. You may disagree on the solution, which side is right/wrong, whatever but it helps to at least know and try and understand the other guys point of view too. Smile. On 7/9/10, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Thomas, You have the mentality of a counsellor. Grin. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, I run XP myself, and I can vouch for Thomas that the C++ libraries will not affect anything else that is running on your system. Some things I used to install did mess my system up, but I don't think a few extra or updated DLL's will. It certainly hasn't to mine. Hope that helps. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? Yes Sir, I know that I am very far behind with JFW 4.02. It does and has worked for me every since I have gone from Windows 98 to XP. And yes, the expense of JFW 11 is a problem for me since the state nor anyone else has ever paid for any hardware or software for me. You know, no JFW, note taker, braille display or anything. Of course that is because I am not a student and not looking to be employed. I must also say, that I am not a multi tasker. One web site or whatever is as much as I can handle at a time. Well you know other than I can appreciate that I can highlight text on a web site etc and then also open Note Pad or whatever to paste that text into it to save as a text file for future reference etc. I'm not sure, I will have to try to open more than one web site at a time. I'm sure though that I would have to open more than one instance of Internet Explorer to do that. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Ah, but we aren't so different really. If I want to play your games on Windows 7, which I do, I have to install Winkit to get the backwards compatibility runtime libraries for VB. Well, if you want to play my games on XP you have to install the latest Visual C++ Runtime libraries. Either one is not very big, and according to the Microsoft website the full Visual C++ runtime install is 6 MB. That's nothin' compared to installing the Java 6 Runtime Environment which is like 40 MB last I checked or the .Net Framework upgrades that are close to 300 MB now. The major difference between what you do and I do is you still use Visual Basic 6 and I use Visual C++ 2008 along with the Windows Platform SDK to write my games. I need the Visual Basic Runtime to play your games and you need the Visual C++ Runtime to play mine. It is not a big deal really. As for Jaws 4.02, yeah, that's pretty ancient. There is a lot of applications it does not support like Mozilla Firefox 3.6, Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft Office 2007, and so on. You couldn't even think about upgrading to Windows 7 without a major Jaws upgrade to Jaws 11 which would be extremely expensive for you sinceyou are so far behind on updates. You'd pretty much have to use an open source alternative like NVDA instead if cost is a major factor in upgrading. I'm not going to argue with your choices and decisions as you have what you obviously like. Willem and I feel differently. I for one really like Firefox and hardly ever use Internet Explorer. That is of course a personal decision, because I feel it is more secure and I love the multitab browsing ability. Of course, Internet Explorer 8 now has multitab browsing too, but as with everything else Microsoft got the idea from someone else and now tries to passit off as their own idea. Sounds like another screen reader I know that goes by the name of Jaws. They pretty much got several of their features by copying innovations from other screen reader manufacturers and passed those updates off to their customers as new ideas who were ignorant of what the other screen reader manufacturers were doing. Smile. Jim I'm amazed, that it works at all. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
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Hi, Jim, Thomas, please please stop grouching at each other? I'm reminded unhappily of the Acefire war when that came out, only now with upgrades or downgrades as the case may be. I can see this getting out of hand, and though I am not a moderator, I don't like to see anger and hurt in messages. We all have our opinions, if we are going to discuss them can we do it in a civilised manner and trying to encourage each other? I've seen enough sniping on here to last a lifetime. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, I was only referring to one needing the latest C++ libraries to be able to run your newest beta 13 of MOTA. And that before that you had again changed your mind and again rewritten MOTA to or not to need the newest Microsoft software or a third party app for your game to run. I had down loaded MOTA beta 12 because I thought that in that rewrite you had gone with I believe straight C++ and DirectX and with that I thought that I would be able to run that version of your game without the fear of needing to install up grades etc that might blow up my computer. BTW I Kitchensinc definitely have not been left in the dust as you stated. I receive Email from new and old fans daily. But hey maybe one day if you ever put out and support one game, it may be the day that I am left in the dust. But hey, I ain't worried about it at all cause what has it been four or near five years since you bought out James North? And I have put out quite a few very popular games in that time. Speaking of spell checkers, It doesn't seem that you yourself ever have used one. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hello Jim, Ok, now you have seriously made me angry. You said, I do understand a person's personal choice to run the latest greatest hugest new software, but in Thomas's case he is also forcing his prospective customers to do the same. That is an absolute and total falsehood. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth as that is not true. So here are the facts. Number one, my Genesis Engine uses DirectX 8.1. That is absolutely not the latest version of DirectX, and one reason I chose to do that instead of use DirectX 9 or higher is because it comes with every PC with Windows XP on up to Windows 7. Not only that DirectX 8.1 has proven itself to be very stable, and still is the standard DirectX version supported by many mainstream games and game companies. I doubt I'm going to upgrade to DirectX 9 or higher until things like XAudio2 become more common and have been proven to be a stable game development API. Number two, my games will run on Windows 2000 SP4, Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 equally well. The only thing you need is a 6 MB Visual C++ update that can be installed on any PC running Windows 2000 SP4 or higher. The way you are acting here is like everyone must be running Windows 7 or something to run my games which is totally false. The only thing you need for Windows XP is a couple small Windows patches/updates which is not too much to ask in my opinion. If you can't stand installing a few common Windows dll files then please don't play my games. I don't have any time or patients to put up with this irronious attitude of yours that you have to have the latest and greatest everything to play my games as you are gravely mistaken. Number three, although my Genesis Engine does support a virtual 3d environment guess what? In the settings menu of the fps version of Mysteries of the Ancients there is a sound card option that allows you to use virtual 3d or stereo panning. Why on earth would I do something like that hm? Oh, it couldn't be that I understand that not all VI gamers have a high end sound card like Soundblaster Audigy Pro and might have to reconfigure the game to use a lower end sound card with only basic stereo output rather than virtual 3d audio output? Oh, It wouldn't happen to be I know not everyone has a 5.1 speaker setup and only use my games with stereo headphones so need a 2d stereo configuration setup for audio? The fact of the matter is Jim I bend over backwards to try and meet my customers needs to design games that will work for everyone. Yes, if that means I have to use newer Windows dll files to make my games more stable for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 I will do it. However, you can not sit there and expect me to use older libraries just because users like yourself are too darn stubern or too afraid of blowing his/her computer up by installing a 6 MB patch that updates a few common Windows libraries. I'm sorry to say but in my opinion that is just being thick headed, stupid, and too stubern to change even if it might actually improve things for you and make a slightly more stable and better product in the long run. Finally
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Hello, After reading the past few messages on this subject, I have decided to respond with some answers we never like to hear. 1) The total population of legally blind people in the US is 0.6% of the US population. This includes everyone with up to 20/200 vision. The total population of blind people in the world is just over 35 million, or about 0.6% of the total world population. This means, we are an extremely small group of people. There are more people using the least common computer OS than there are visually impaired people. Because we are such a tiny minority, it falls squarely upon us to adapt ourselves to the sighted world. The fact that companies do a little bit to help us is great, but there is virtually no profit in it for them. We can choose to stay behind at whatever point we are comfortable with, just like anybody else. That said, as has been pointed out, companies are in business to make money. In order to do this successfully, they must constantly give at least the appearance of innovating or the competition will take their place. I, for one, choose to continuously learn, grow, and adapt to the new and ever-shifting paradigm of the modern technology world. This way, I can keep myself marketable and employable. Also, it allows me to continue enjoying the latest games which come out. As to the classic start menu which, apparently, primarily only blind people prefer, I actually don't like it. I find it to be way too limiting. And, before you ask, I started as a DOS power user. I much prefer the simplicity of point and click (pressing the alt key, arrowing to the menu I need, and arrowing to my choice) over constantly needing to remember esoteric commands. I will soon be switching to the iPhone 4 because it has a touch-screen, so there are even less esoteric commands which I need to remember. I just needed to learn the new interface, and I did that over the past year through regularly borrowing my former flatmate's iPhone 3GS. I will switch to the MacBook and its touch pad interface for the same reason. I made the decision a long time ago to, as much as possible, learn to use and become proficient with sighted technology interfaces whenever possible so that I can keep my costs lower while interfacing with my sighted peers and friends in ways which are most convenient for them. After all, I am the one who, by nature of being blind, is different, so must fit in if I want to associate with the chosen group that is the majority. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 6:24 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi Thomas, The problem here is, even some sighted people don't know how to use it. Heck, I have trouble getting somebody sighted to help me do a reinstall of XP simply because they don't know how radio buttons work, etc, etc. What I'm trying to say is, while there are maybe a load of people who will benefit from the upgrade, newbies and VI users do not, and it's time more people started fighting for their rights. Like I said before, if blind people just go with the flow then how on earth are other people in this world going to be able to cater for us? Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Jim: Although my Windows XP has been updated to run service pack 3, I can tell you that everything runs just fine after installing the libraries, and so do all the games I have, including yours. HTH. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? Yes Sir, I know that I am very far behind with JFW 4.02. It does and has worked for me every since I have gone from Windows 98 to XP. And yes, the expense of JFW 11 is a problem for me since the state nor anyone else has ever paid for any hardware or software for me. You know, no JFW, note taker, braille display or anything. Of course that is because I am not a student and not looking to be employed. I must also say, that I am not a multi tasker. One web site or whatever is as much as I can handle at a time. Well you know other than I can appreciate that I can highlight text on a web site etc and then also open Note Pad or whatever to paste that text into it to save as a text file for future reference etc. I'm not sure, I will have to try to open more than one web site at a time. I'm sure though that I would have to open more than one instance of Internet Explorer to do that. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Ah, but we aren't so different really. If I want to play your games on Windows 7, which I do, I have to install Winkit to get the backwards compatibility runtime libraries for VB. Well, if you want to play my games on XP you have to install the latest Visual C++ Runtime libraries. Either one is not very big, and according to the Microsoft website the full Visual C++ runtime install is 6 MB. That's nothin' compared to installing the Java 6 Runtime Environment which is like 40 MB last I checked or the .Net Framework upgrades that are close to 300 MB now. The major difference between what you do and I do is you still use Visual Basic 6 and I use Visual C++ 2008 along with the Windows Platform SDK to write my games. I need the Visual Basic Runtime to play your games and you need the Visual C++ Runtime to play mine. It is not a big deal really. As for Jaws 4.02, yeah, that's pretty ancient. There is a lot of applications it does not support like Mozilla Firefox 3.6, Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft Office 2007, and so on. You couldn't even think about upgrading to Windows 7 without a major Jaws upgrade to Jaws 11 which would be extremely expensive for you sinceyou are so far behind on updates. You'd pretty much have to use an open source alternative like NVDA instead if cost is a major factor in upgrading. I'm not going to argue with your choices and decisions as you have what you obviously like. Willem and I feel differently. I for one really like Firefox and hardly ever use Internet Explorer. That is of course a personal decision, because I feel it is more secure and I love the multitab browsing ability. Of course, Internet Explorer 8 now has multitab browsing too, but as with everything else Microsoft got the idea from someone else and now tries to passit off as their own idea. Sounds like another screen reader I know that goes by the name of Jaws. They pretty much got several of their features by copying innovations from other screen reader manufacturers and passed those updates off to their customers as new ideas who were ignorant of what the other screen reader manufacturers were doing. Smile. Jim I'm amazed, that it works at all. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived
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Hi, Thing is, the majority seem to think about themselves, and the minority can hop it. They should be working for everybody. For example, how much is available for the deaf? The physically handicapped? The paralyzed? Only people who are not used to these conditions, gawking, laughing, scorning, and completely, it seems, giving them up as a bad job, which is why, most of the time, people with disabilities usually stick with their own kind, who are also struggling because nothing has been put in place for everybody. It is far, far too prejudiced. I know it's nowhere near as bad, but it reminds me of the time when Africans were treated horribly because of skin colour, and they didn't have a leg to stand on because, quote unquote, that was the way of it. It's similar to people with disabilities. Instead of looking at what we need to make our lives just as comfortable as more able people, we just struggle on, deal with it and say, well that's the way of the world, nobody wants to learn so we'll leave it there type attitude. Yes, fine. Have an interface for the sighted, and complete 100% healthy people, but continue to maintain services for disabled people also. Just because a company is there to make money doesn't mean they should be prejudiced with no compassion and a heart of pure cold stone. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, After reading the past few messages on this subject, I have decided to respond with some answers we never like to hear. 1) The total population of legally blind people in the US is 0.6% of the US population. This includes everyone with up to 20/200 vision. The total population of blind people in the world is just over 35 million, or about 0.6% of the total world population. This means, we are an extremely small group of people. There are more people using the least common computer OS than there are visually impaired people. Because we are such a tiny minority, it falls squarely upon us to adapt ourselves to the sighted world. The fact that companies do a little bit to help us is great, but there is virtually no profit in it for them. We can choose to stay behind at whatever point we are comfortable with, just like anybody else. That said, as has been pointed out, companies are in business to make money. In order to do this successfully, they must constantly give at least the appearance of innovating or the competition will take their place. I, for one, choose to continuously learn, grow, and adapt to the new and ever-shifting paradigm of the modern technology world. This way, I can keep myself marketable and employable. Also, it allows me to continue enjoying the latest games which come out. As to the classic start menu which, apparently, primarily only blind people prefer, I actually don't like it. I find it to be way too limiting. And, before you ask, I started as a DOS power user. I much prefer the simplicity of point and click (pressing the alt key, arrowing to the menu I need, and arrowing to my choice) over constantly needing to remember esoteric commands. I will soon be switching to the iPhone 4 because it has a touch-screen, so there are even less esoteric commands which I need to remember. I just needed to learn the new interface, and I did that over the past year through regularly borrowing my former flatmate's iPhone 3GS. I will switch to the MacBook and its touch pad interface for the same reason. I made the decision a long time ago to, as much as possible, learn to use and become proficient with sighted technology interfaces whenever possible so that I can keep my costs lower while interfacing with my sighted peers and friends in ways which are most convenient for them. After all, I am the one who, by nature of being blind, is different, so must fit in if I want to associate with the chosen group that is the majority. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 6:24 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi Thomas, The problem here is, even some sighted people don't know how to use it. Heck, I have trouble getting somebody sighted to help me do a reinstall of XP simply because they don't know how radio buttons work, etc, etc. What I'm trying to say is, while there are maybe a load of people who will benefit from the upgrade, newbies and VI users do not, and it's time more people started fighting for their rights. Like I said before, if blind people just go with the flow then how on earth are other people in this world going to be able to cater for us? Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman
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Hi Jim, I really don't see any reason that the C++ runtime libraries would blow up your system. I'm 99% sure that won't happen. Main reason is these are just dll libraries that have had bug fixes or additional functions that were not available in previous versions. Microsoft's Win32 libraries are certainly backwards compatible to a point. According to Microsoft's website the are backwards compatible with Windows 2000 SP4 which is much older than Windows XP with service pack 3. I installed them on my older laptop with XP SP3 on it and everything worked fine. However, I probibly have newer versions of Windows Media Player etc than you do as I try to keep things up to date anyway. HTH On 7/9/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, One difference that I see is that running my WinKit.zip setup install installs backwards compatibility. Your needed install will up grade my C++ libraries. So, may I respectfully ask you, can you promise me that the new C++ libraries are backwards compatible. That is, if I install them, that the up grade will not blow up any of my very very old programs such as Note Pad, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player etc that are part of windows and may rely on the C++ libraries that shipped with the versions of those programs that I am running and rely on? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello, This is exactly why I will be switching to the mac in the near future and hope that game creators start making more of these accessible games for that platform. Apple is the only major consumer electronics company which is taking an extremely active role in blindness accessibility. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 11:47 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi, Thing is, the majority seem to think about themselves, and the minority can hop it. They should be working for everybody. For example, how much is available for the deaf? The physically handicapped? The paralyzed? Only people who are not used to these conditions, gawking, laughing, scorning, and completely, it seems, giving them up as a bad job, which is why, most of the time, people with disabilities usually stick with their own kind, who are also struggling because nothing has been put in place for everybody. It is far, far too prejudiced. I know it's nowhere near as bad, but it reminds me of the time when Africans were treated horribly because of skin colour, and they didn't have a leg to stand on because, quote unquote, that was the way of it. It's similar to people with disabilities. Instead of looking at what we need to make our lives just as comfortable as more able people, we just struggle on, deal with it and say, well that's the way of the world, nobody wants to learn so we'll leave it there type attitude. Yes, fine. Have an interface for the sighted, and complete 100% healthy people, but continue to maintain services for disabled people also. Just because a company is there to make money doesn't mean they should be prejudiced with no compassion and a heart of pure cold stone. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hello, After reading the past few messages on this subject, I have decided to respond with some answers we never like to hear. 1) The total population of legally blind people in the US is 0.6% of the US population. This includes everyone with up to 20/200 vision. The total population of blind people in the world is just over 35 million, or about 0.6% of the total world population. This means, we are an extremely small group of people. There are more people using the least common computer OS than there are visually impaired people. Because we are such a tiny minority, it falls squarely upon us to adapt ourselves to the sighted world. The fact that companies do a little bit to help us is great, but there is virtually no profit in it for them. We can choose to stay behind at whatever point we are comfortable with, just like anybody else. That said, as has been pointed out, companies are in business to make money. In order to do this successfully, they must constantly give at least the appearance of innovating or the competition will take their place. I, for one, choose to continuously learn, grow, and adapt to the new and ever-shifting paradigm of the modern technology world. This way, I can keep myself marketable and employable. Also, it allows me to continue enjoying the latest games which come out. As to the classic start menu which, apparently, primarily only blind people prefer, I actually don't like it. I find it to be way too limiting. And, before you ask, I started as a DOS power user. I much prefer the simplicity of point and click (pressing the alt key, arrowing to the menu I need, and arrowing to my choice) over constantly needing to remember esoteric commands. I will soon be switching to the iPhone 4 because it has a touch-screen, so there are even less esoteric commands which I need to remember. I just needed to learn the new interface, and I did that over the past year through regularly borrowing my former flatmate's iPhone 3GS. I will switch to the MacBook and its touch pad interface for the same reason. I made the decision a long time ago to, as much as possible, learn to use and become proficient with sighted technology interfaces whenever possible so that I can keep my costs lower while interfacing with my sighted peers and friends in ways which are most convenient for them. After all, I am the one who, by nature of being blind, is different, so must fit in if I want to associate with the chosen group that is the majority. David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com On 7/10/2010 6:24 AM, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi Thomas, The problem here is, even some sighted people don't know how to use it. Heck, I have trouble getting somebody sighted to help me do a reinstall of XP simply because they don't know how radio buttons work, etc, etc. What I'm trying to say is, while there are maybe a load of people who will benefit from the upgrade, newbies and VI users do not, and it's time more people
Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
Hi Thomas, Just wondering. I thought that you had decided to program in straight C++ so that people did not need to down load 300 meg of up grades to be able to run your game like they did when it was in C net. But now you have changed your mind and again people need to be running the latest greatest software from Microsoft right? Maybe if I could afford a new computer and a screen reader that would run on it I might check out your game. But as it is now, every time that I try to up grade my computer it runs much worse. The last time I did this was so that I could listen to a radio stream from WMMS Rover's Morning Glory, now every time that I close Internet Explorer it blows up my desk top etc. So I need to reboot. Even a sighted person with a mouse can not use my computer without a reboot. http://roverradio.com But I guess my point is, are you not going backwards to forcing people to up grade like when the game was in a net language? Just asking. BFN Jim Cannabis, Rock N Roll, Sex, Love, Health, Happiness and Peace to all! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim. While I am not Thomas, I think I understand what he is doing. His decision to run the latest and greatest is a personal one. You could run his games on windows 98 if you wanted, all you need to install is at least directX 8 and the visual c++ runtimes. Visual basic also has similar runtimes and they are less than 5 mb in size, as aposed to the dotNet framework. I also recommend you use firefox, because internet explorer is a pot of nonsense, though you'll need at least jaws 8 or equivalent screen reader to use it. Nvda is free ( http://nvda-project.org and works great with firefox. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Thomas, Just wondering. I thought that you had decided to program in straight C++ so that people did not need to down load 300 meg of up grades to be able to run your game like they did when it was in C net. But now you have changed your mind and again people need to be running the latest greatest software from Microsoft right? Maybe if I could afford a new computer and a screen reader that would run on it I might check out your game. But as it is now, every time that I try to up grade my computer it runs much worse. The last time I did this was so that I could listen to a radio stream from WMMS Rover's Morning Glory, now every time that I close Internet Explorer it blows up my desk top etc. So I need to reboot. Even a sighted person with a mouse can not use my computer without a reboot. http://roverradio.com But I guess my point is, are you not going backwards to forcing people to up grade like when the game was in a net language? Just asking. BFN Jim Cannabis, Rock N Roll, Sex, Love, Health, Happiness and Peace to all! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I dn't think you'll find anyone weaping uncontrollably about that. Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Yes, but mr b.g has fallen from the richest to only about the fourth richest person in the world. How sad for him. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, Lol, that's quite a conspiracy theory. Though, it would work, since...well, they are still in business, even after the nightmare that goes by the name Windows Vista. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Same reason I use the start menu in classic mode myself. I have, in fact, used the XP start menu for several months, but I eventually switched over to classic. Unfortunately, if you upgrade to windows 7, you won't be able to, as you so aptly put it, shuffle out all that rubbish, it's there to stay. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error For me, using classic menue settings isn't anything to do with accessibility, it's because I really hate the business microsoft has of reactive controls and menues such as auto complete, most recently viewed etc. i like to index things such as favourites lists, program shortcuts etc the way I! want to, and I don't want blasted windows bringing up lists of most recently viewed this, auto complete that and microsoft recommended the other. I like classic menues simply because they stay the same and don't end up moving arround depending upon what I've been doing, and because I can personally organize them more easily into catagories I want and order I want. I suspect that when i end up using windows7, the first thing I'll do is work out how to turn off all that shuffling menues rubbish and reorganize things my way, but in windows xp sinse classic options automatically turns off all that rubbish, it's easier just to use that. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That! really! stinks! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, Same reason I use the start menu in classic mode myself. I have, in fact, used the XP start menu for several months, but I eventually switched over to classic. Unfortunately, if you upgrade to windows 7, you won't be able to, as you so aptly put it, shuffle out all that rubbish, it's there to stay. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error For me, using classic menue settings isn't anything to do with accessibility, it's because I really hate the business microsoft has of reactive controls and menues such as auto complete, most recently viewed etc. i like to index things such as favourites lists, program shortcuts etc the way I! want to, and I don't want blasted windows bringing up lists of most recently viewed this, auto complete that and microsoft recommended the other. I like classic menues simply because they stay the same and don't end up moving arround depending upon what I've been doing, and because I can personally organize them more easily into catagories I want and order I want. I suspect that when i end up using windows7, the first thing I'll do is work out how to turn off all that shuffling menues rubbish and reorganize things my way, but in windows xp sinse classic options automatically turns off all that rubbish, it's easier just to use that. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff, and then it is just not going to be upgraded without a massive rewrite or upgrade which microsoft won't do obviously. Let's face it, guys, Windows XP is ancient history. There is a reason Microsoft wants to begin dropping support for XP and not all of it has to do with money. It has to do with an operating system that is 9-years old and is becoming harder and harder to update and support while maintaining compatibility with their newer Windows releases. Weather youlike Windows 7 or not that's our future unless you decide to buy a Mac or go Linux. Windows XP is not going to be around forever
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Not even Bill Gates? (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, I dn't think you'll find anyone weaping uncontrollably about that. Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Yes, but mr b.g has fallen from the richest to only about the fourth richest person in the world. How sad for him. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, Lol, that's quite a conspiracy theory. Though, it would work, since...well, they are still in business, even after the nightmare that goes by the name Windows Vista. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff, and then it is just not going to be upgraded without a massive rewrite or upgrade which microsoft won't do obviously. Let's face it, guys, Windows XP is ancient history. There is a reason Microsoft wants to begin dropping support for XP and not all of it has to do with money. It has to do with an operating system that is 9-years old and is becoming harder and harder to update and support while maintaining compatibility with their newer Windows releases. Weather youlike Windows 7 or not that's our future unless you decide to buy a Mac or go Linux. Windows XP is not going to be around forever
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Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff, and then it is just not going to be upgraded without a massive rewrite or upgrade which microsoft won't do obviously. Let's face it, guys, Windows XP is ancient history. There is a reason Microsoft wants to begin dropping support for XP and not all of it has to do with money. It has to do with an operating system that is 9-years old and is becoming harder and harder to update and support while maintaining compatibility with their newer Windows releases. Weather youlike Windows 7 or not that's our future unless you decide to buy a Mac or go Linux. Windows XP is not going to be around forever
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Hi Jim, Yes, that was definitely one of the reasons I went to straight C++. I didn't feel people needed to download and install a number of extra dependencies like the .Net Framework, Managed DirectX, etc. I still hold to that reasoning However, you still need to have the latest C++ Windows libraries to run my games because I am using a newer version of Visual C++ that links against the Windows 7.1 Windows Platform SDK libraries which are newer than those that ship with XP by default. However, downloading the latest Visual C++ runtime update is much much smaller than the .Net Framework and Managed DirectX. It is just one of those prices you pay for trying to maintain an upto date C++ application for Windows while maintaining some backwards compatibility with older Windows releases like XP that are beginning to show their age from a programming point of view. The other reason I picked C++ is eventually, I don't know when, I'd still like to make non-Windows releases of my games for Mac OS X and Linux. It is not really feasable to do that using .Net because the Mono Framework for Linux and Mac isn't completely 100% compatible with the Microsoft .Net Framework. Instead a game written in C++ is mostly compatible with non-Windows releases already, but I would certainly have to rewrite audio, input, and other operating system specific parts of the core to support non-Windows operating systems. Having it in C++ atleast makes that possible, but still would be something of a major update to the code as well. So to answer your question I'm not asking anyone to be running the latest and greatest Windows releases to play my games. I happen to have an older laptop here, I got back in 2005, with Windows XP SP3 on it and Mysteries of the Ancients runs fine on it provided I have installed the latest XP Windows updates and have installed the latest Windows C++ libraries. So I don't see asking a user to apply a few Windows updates, which a person should do anyway for the latest critical updates, security patches, and various ccompatibility updates as a big issue. Usually installing the dependencies you would need for my games are less than 50 MB not 300 or more MB. As to why I am using the latest C++ libraries the answer is two-fold. Number one, I happen to be running Windows 7 on my newer laptop and since I want it to work smoothly with Windows 7 that means I should be linking against the most compatible libraries for that operating system. Number two, I'm using the latest Visual Studio development tools and by default they link against the newest Windows Platform SDK headers and libraries. It doesn't make much sense to go to the Microsoft website and download a much older release of the Platform SDK to use the lowest common denominator when newer C++ libraries are available for XP anyway. The customer just needs to install them to bring his/her XP system up to date is all. So I have not changed my mind. The issue is a technical one not a personal one. I don't see the need to post a dozen versions of the program on the website like for Windows XP click here, for Vista click here, and for Windows 7 click here, etc. That's just stupid when I can design the program to run on any and all of the above provided the persons computer has reasonably new version of the XP, Vista, or Windows 7 C++ libraries. HTH On 7/8/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Just wondering. I thought that you had decided to program in straight C++ so that people did not need to down load 300 meg of up grades to be able to run your game like they did when it was in C net. But now you have changed your mind and again people need to be running the latest greatest software from Microsoft right? Maybe if I could afford a new computer and a screen reader that would run on it I might check out your game. But as it is now, every time that I try to up grade my computer it runs much worse. The last time I did this was so that I could listen to a radio stream from WMMS Rover's Morning Glory, now every time that I close Internet Explorer it blows up my desk top etc. So I need to reboot. Even a sighted person with a mouse can not use my computer without a reboot. http://roverradio.com But I guess my point is, are you not going backwards to forcing people to up grade like when the game was in a net language? Just asking. BFN Jim --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Yeah, my decision to run Windows 7 is certainly a personal one, but the decision to build my games using the latest Visual C++ compiler and libraries is a technical one. A decision based on maintaining the greatest amount of stability and compatibility across various Windows versions from XP, Vista, and Windows 7. I can't help it if a user chooses not to install the Windows updates or is running Service Pack 2 when they need Service Pack 3 etc. That is their decision to continue running an out of date version of XP when what I'm trying to do offers them a greater amount of stability and compatibility if the ever should buy a new computer and end up having Windows 7 anyway. I simply don't believe in using the lowest common denominator to pander to a few users that don't believe they need to keep there XP, Vista, or Windos 7 installation up to date for one reason or another. Personally I find that both senseless and needless from a technical point of view. As far as running my games on 98 you really can't as the design is far newer than the Windows 98 era stuff, but I certainly could, if I wanted to, modify the source and recompile it with Visual C++ 6.0 and create a 98 version. However, as Windows 98 is practically upgraded out of existance it makes little sense to create a version to support an os that old. I doubt there are many VI gamers still running 98 now days. On 7/8/10, Willem dwill...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim. While I am not Thomas, I think I understand what he is doing. His decision to run the latest and greatest is a personal one. You could run his games on windows 98 if you wanted, all you need to install is at least directX 8 and the visual c++ runtimes. Visual basic also has similar runtimes and they are less than 5 mb in size, as aposed to the dotNet framework. I also recommend you use firefox, because internet explorer is a pot of nonsense, though you'll need at least jaws 8 or equivalent screen reader to use it. Nvda is free ( http://nvda-project.org and works great with firefox. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Is all the necessary additional software available from USA Games Interactive dot com yet?? I shudder to think that my PC is 3 years older than the one you have. I had it built in 2000. I'm using XP Home edition with service pack 3. I've kept the critical updates current. Just yesterday, figuring that it wouldn't hurt, I used the update utility located in the USA Games folder that MOTA beta 13 created to update my PC. Anything else I need? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Jim, Yes, that was definitely one of the reasons I went to straight C++. I didn't feel people needed to download and install a number of extra dependencies like the .Net Framework, Managed DirectX, etc. I still hold to that reasoning However, you still need to have the latest C++ Windows libraries to run my games because I am using a newer version of Visual C++ that links against the Windows 7.1 Windows Platform SDK libraries which are newer than those that ship with XP by default. However, downloading the latest Visual C++ runtime update is much much smaller than the .Net Framework and Managed DirectX. It is just one of those prices you pay for trying to maintain an upto date C++ application for Windows while maintaining some backwards compatibility with older Windows releases like XP that are beginning to show their age from a programming point of view. The other reason I picked C++ is eventually, I don't know when, I'd still like to make non-Windows releases of my games for Mac OS X and Linux. It is not really feasable to do that using .Net because the Mono Framework for Linux and Mac isn't completely 100% compatible with the Microsoft .Net Framework. Instead a game written in C++ is mostly compatible with non-Windows releases already, but I would certainly have to rewrite audio, input, and other operating system specific parts of the core to support non-Windows operating systems. Having it in C++ atleast makes that possible, but still would be something of a major update to the code as well. So to answer your question I'm not asking anyone to be running the latest and greatest Windows releases to play my games. I happen to have an older laptop here, I got back in 2005, with Windows XP SP3 on it and Mysteries of the Ancients runs fine on it provided I have installed the latest XP Windows updates and have installed the latest Windows C++ libraries. So I don't see asking a user to apply a few Windows updates, which a person should do anyway for the latest critical updates, security patches, and various ccompatibility updates as a big issue. Usually installing the dependencies you would need for my games are less than 50 MB not 300 or more MB. As to why I am using the latest C++ libraries the answer is two-fold. Number one, I happen to be running Windows 7 on my newer laptop and since I want it to work smoothly with Windows 7 that means I should be linking against the most compatible libraries for that operating system. Number two, I'm using the latest Visual Studio development tools and by default they link against the newest Windows Platform SDK headers and libraries. It doesn't make much sense to go to the Microsoft website and download a much older release of the Platform SDK to use the lowest common denominator when newer C++ libraries are available for XP anyway. The customer just needs to install them to bring his/her XP system up to date is all. So I have not changed my mind. The issue is a technical one not a personal one. I don't see the need to post a dozen versions of the program on the website like for Windows XP click here, for Vista click here, and for Windows 7 click here, etc. That's just stupid when I can design the program to run on any and all of the above provided the persons computer has reasonably new version of the XP, Vista, or Windows 7 C++ libraries. HTH On 7/8/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Just wondering. I thought that you had decided to program in straight C++ so that people did not need to down load 300 meg of up grades to be able to run your game like they did when it was in C net. But now you have changed your mind and again people need to be running the latest greatest software from Microsoft right? Maybe if I could afford a new computer and a screen reader that would run on it I might check out your game. But as it is now, every time that I try to up grade my computer it runs much worse. The last time I did this was so that I could listen to a radio stream from WMMS Rover's Morning Glory, now every time that I close Internet Explorer it blows up my desk top etc. So I need to reboot. Even a sighted person with a mouse can not use my computer without a reboot. http://roverradio.com But I guess my point is, are you not going backwards
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From a technical standpoint, your decision makes sense. All that XP users have to do is to keep their OS current. What does it cost? Time and effort, and not all that much of either. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, Yeah, my decision to run Windows 7 is certainly a personal one, but the decision to build my games using the latest Visual C++ compiler and libraries is a technical one. A decision based on maintaining the greatest amount of stability and compatibility across various Windows versions from XP, Vista, and Windows 7. I can't help it if a user chooses not to install the Windows updates or is running Service Pack 2 when they need Service Pack 3 etc. That is their decision to continue running an out of date version of XP when what I'm trying to do offers them a greater amount of stability and compatibility if the ever should buy a new computer and end up having Windows 7 anyway. I simply don't believe in using the lowest common denominator to pander to a few users that don't believe they need to keep there XP, Vista, or Windos 7 installation up to date for one reason or another. Personally I find that both senseless and needless from a technical point of view. As far as running my games on 98 you really can't as the design is far newer than the Windows 98 era stuff, but I certainly could, if I wanted to, modify the source and recompile it with Visual C++ 6.0 and create a 98 version. However, as Windows 98 is practically upgraded out of existance it makes little sense to create a version to support an os that old. I doubt there are many VI gamers still running 98 now days. On 7/8/10, Willem dwill...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim. While I am not Thomas, I think I understand what he is doing. His decision to run the latest and greatest is a personal one. You could run his games on windows 98 if you wanted, all you need to install is at least directX 8 and the visual c++ runtimes. Visual basic also has similar runtimes and they are less than 5 mb in size, as aposed to the dotNet framework. I also recommend you use firefox, because internet explorer is a pot of nonsense, though you'll need at least jaws 8 or equivalent screen reader to use it. Nvda is free ( http://nvda-project.org and works great with firefox. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Ouch. I'm not looking forward to upgrading then. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Dark, Same reason I use the start menu in classic mode myself. I have, in fact, used the XP start menu for several months, but I eventually switched over to classic. Unfortunately, if you upgrade to windows 7, you won't be able to, as you so aptly put it, shuffle out all that rubbish, it's there to stay. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error For me, using classic menue settings isn't anything to do with accessibility, it's because I really hate the business microsoft has of reactive controls and menues such as auto complete, most recently viewed etc. i like to index things such as favourites lists, program shortcuts etc the way I! want to, and I don't want blasted windows bringing up lists of most recently viewed this, auto complete that and microsoft recommended the other. I like classic menues simply because they stay the same and don't end up moving arround depending upon what I've been doing, and because I can personally organize them more easily into catagories I want and order I want. I suspect that when i end up using windows7, the first thing I'll do is work out how to turn off all that shuffling menues rubbish and reorganize things my way, but in windows xp sinse classic options automatically turns off all that rubbish, it's easier just to use that. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, Trust me, it's not that way in England. Most of them still provide forms, in print no less. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff, and then it is just not going to be upgraded without a massive rewrite or upgrade which microsoft won't do obviously. Let's face it, guys, Windows XP is ancient history. There is a reason Microsoft wants to begin dropping support for XP and not all of it has to do with money. It has to do with an operating system that is 9
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Hi Hayden, Do you know that this message has been sent three times? Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just too different to make that really possible. Only a certain amount of things can be upgraded from XP to Windows 7 compatible stuff, and then it is just not going to be upgraded without a massive rewrite or upgrade which microsoft won't do obviously. Let's face it, guys, Windows XP is ancient history. There is a reason Microsoft wants to begin dropping support for XP and not all of it has to do with money. It has to do with an operating system that is 9-years old and is becoming harder
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I shall agree. Some of their softwares arn't really exsesable. And if I was making software, I would of willed to make software for the blind or improve the software. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Damien, Funny you mention that. I've heard of places that are actually trying to get rid of paper, not the other way around. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:36 AM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Charles, Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with companies refusing to release online forms because they think that paper is better and more feasible, traditional, whatever the reason. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I! don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me, that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily used. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it! Same for the OS. Couldn't they have made Windows 7 just as secure as it currently is, and left the OS set up as it was in Windows 98? I have no problems with Outlook Express. It is a good and reliable Email client that is easy to use and straightforward. So, why did they do away with it? And why did they come out with Vista in the first place if it was so crappy and buggy? I'm sure that at least a majority of the problems cropped up during nationwide beta testing, but they released it anyway. To me, they should have cared more about quality rather than a time deadline. I would not think nearly as much of Thomas Ward as I di if he decided to put MOTA out no later than April of 2010 because customers were after him to get it out. Instead, he goes through testing, reworking what is needed, then testing, then reworking what is needed, until the game is ready, and then it will be released. A quality product that he is taking the time to make reliable. Put out a good reliable product of quality, and you'll be known for it. Put out garbage and you'll be known for it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi, If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner. There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to update for that reason. Because when I do, the interface is so different, the menus restructured, the main window revamped and so prettied up that it's no longer usable except with bags of time to work out how to use it the way you used to and heavily modifying scripts to make it as accessible as last time, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not forget some unnamed software that insist, or at least used to insist, on placing stupid advertisements on an html side bar on the main screen that you conveniently couldn't get rid of. That's why with most of the software I use, I am at least two or more versions behind the current release. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error Hi Shaun, Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't have an upgrade
