Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-10 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
Good games. I think I still have a Braille lite 2000 somewhere with hangman,
blackjack, zapem, guess, chess, simon, and some others. Odd thing was
sometimes they would get corrupted and I'd have to perform a hard reset to
fix it.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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oh man the braille N speaks! everyone had them back then. such cool little 
devices. and you guys remember the games people created with them?




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 Hi Shaun,
 I don't know if you have anything like it in New Zeland but here in
 the U.S. there is a place called Batteries Plus. What they basically
 do is take devices and replace the rechargible batteries in them for
 you. I once took a Braille N' Speak into them and they swapped out the
 original batteries in it for new ones and it ran like a charm until it
 eventually died around 2003 or so. In fact, the batteries they put in
 were better than the original Blazie ones, because when I got the BNS
 originally in 96 it constantly liked saying battery low like the
 battery Blazie gave me was junk to begin with.
 Anyway, there are places around that can probably fix your Keynote SA
 for you. That was a pretty good foreign language synth, and I haven't
 seen one of those for ages. Last time I used one was when I was taking
 French in school. Now, I remember the Keynote better than i do the
 French. Lol!

 On 4/6/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
 well if someone still has a keynote and wants to make it go die I'd like 
 it
 since i have a deadnote right now.
 Either that or if someone can contact me off list with instructions on
 trying to change the old keynote gold sa battery I may bother.
 the only real reason I want a dos system now is to run agt things like
 cosmoserve which doesn't run right on agility.
 and a few other things.
 arena, destination mars and several other things.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-08 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

I also have and used a wav file player named sox.  They must have also made a 
dos version.  But all that we did was use the Basic shell command to shell out 
and play the wav file.  It worked and was great to be able to add wav files to 
our games, but as you can imagine shelling out was not exactly congruent to 
smooth continuous game play.  But that was part of the fun.  You know figuring 
out how to make a good game and blend in that shelling out to play sounds.  I 
was writing my games in PDS7.  That is Microsoft Professional Development 
System version 7.  Also known as Extended Quick Basic.  That golf game was 
though written in GW Basic by a PC Users group from Pittsburgh.  I also wrote 
in GW Basic, BasicA, QBasic, Quick Basic 3.0 and Quick Basic 4.5.  And 
Microsoft Extended Basic for the TI 99 4A and Atari home computers.  Oh yeah 
and wrote a couple of little games for my Dad on his TRS80 in whatever Basic 
that was.

BFN

Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-08 Thread Darren Harris
I really can't remember precisely when I stumbled across whitestick but that
really was where my audio gaming jerney began. It was either late 2003 or in
2004. I'm thinking more 2003 actually as packman talks is the first game I
bought I think. For the most part I've been playing mainstream games as I do
have some sight so being very honest there aren't many audio games that
really do impress me. In terms of size of game and content replayability and
complexity. Phil's packman talks and GMA tank commander, lw are the real
games that have impressed me. Entombed is fantastic as well, so too I'm sure
time of conflict will be. I haven't looked at that yet because am always
caucious with regards to beta software even if I do trust the source. But
I've been reading all the comments that the public testers have fed back to
the list and with great interest. 

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-08 Thread dark
Hay darren, let me know if you want a discussion of limited vision stuff off 
list,  I'm currently beta testing a random occurence game with various 
colour and contrast modes and sapified menues,  pluss there are some 
great freeware things around with graffics that aren't too evil and 3D.


Obviously though this isn't right for the audeasy list,  so appologies 
to everyone else.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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I really can't remember precisely when I stumbled across whitestick but 
that
really was where my audio gaming jerney began. It was either late 2003 or 
in

2004. I'm thinking more 2003 actually as packman talks is the first game I
bought I think. For the most part I've been playing mainstream games as I 
do

have some sight so being very honest there aren't many audio games that
really do impress me. In terms of size of game and content replayability 
and

complexity. Phil's packman talks and GMA tank commander, lw are the real
games that have impressed me. Entombed is fantastic as well, so too I'm 
sure

time of conflict will be. I haven't looked at that yet because am always
caucious with regards to beta software even if I do trust the source. But
I've been reading all the comments that the public testers have fed back 
to

the list and with great interest.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,
I wouldn't be a bit suprised. Dos and Linux shared many of the same
commandline applications back in those days. It was much easier to
create cross-platform applications like lynx, sox, pine,  ncftp, etc
than it is today. Today programming is more complicated because
instead of printing text directly to the screen or looking for
keyboard ascii codes we have full fledged graphical tool kits that are
generally operating system specific, unicode text, and special scan
codes for special keys such as the Windows key and other keys that
don't return a triditional ascii code.
However, I know all too well about trying to shell out to play a wav
file. Back when I was writing my first text games in the mid 90's in C
I would use the system function like
system (play shuffle.wav);
which would shell out, play the shuffle file using sox, and then
return to normal game play.  It definitely was a pretty crude but
effective way of adding sounds to otherwise text games. As you said it
was sortof fun trying to figure out where to shell out, play the
sound, and then come back so it didn't seam as though it was all out
of place.

Smile.


On 4/8/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi Thomas,

 I also have and used a wav file player named sox.  They must have also made
 a dos version.  But all that we did was use the Basic shell command to shell
 out and play the wav file.  It worked and was great to be able to add wav
 files to our games, but as you can imagine shelling out was not exactly
 congruent to smooth continuous game play.  But that was part of the fun.
 You know figuring out how to make a good game and blend in that shelling out
 to play sounds.  I was writing my games in PDS7.  That is Microsoft
 Professional Development System version 7.  Also known as Extended Quick
 Basic.  That golf game was though written in GW Basic by a PC Users group
 from Pittsburgh.  I also wrote in GW Basic, BasicA, QBasic, Quick Basic 3.0
 and Quick Basic 4.5.  And Microsoft Extended Basic for the TI 99 4A and
 Atari home computers.  Oh yeah and wrote a couple of little games for my Dad
 on his TRS80 in whatever Basic that was.

 BFN

  Jim

 I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C.

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-07 Thread Muhammed Deniz

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well i doubt you can.
I tried a few years ago to get keysoft 2 for my old laptop.
and its not like they can for whatever reason there are no coppies in 
stock.

At 12:49 a.m. 7/04/2010, you wrote:

Hi

if you want to use keynote again, I got a 15 minute demo that runs in a 
windows98 virtual machine. so far my efforts to convince humanware to:
1. allow us to use the old keynote demo from 1995 or so, as a full 
version, have failed.
2. create a synth voice for ESpeak that sounds like keynote gold, call it 
the keynote ESpeak variant or something like that. this so far has also 
failed. I will continue to try and get them to either:
1. patch the old unsupported keynote gold multimedia demo to run as full 
copy and also patch keysoft gold for win95.

or 2. make a keynote voice variant for ESpeak.
the old unsupported software also runs in a  win95 virtual machine very 
well! please contact me offlist for more info.


Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-07 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Dark,

Well, my black jack, draw poker, slot machine and star mule games started out 
as video / text games in the eighties.  They were then converted to blind 
accessible games in the nineties.  As a matter of fact my black jack game made 
the BBS PC Ohio's collection of must have files collection.

Yes, well other than reaction I have converted all of my dos games to windows 
versions.  There are a few utility programs that I have not published as 
windows versions, but here is the full list of dos games on my web site.

baseball, battleship, black jack, bopit, concentration, draw poker, football, 
golf, hangman, life, master mind, reaction, roulette wheel, simon, skunk, slot 
machine, snakes and ladders, star mule, trivia game engine, trucker and yahtzee.

Now spanker does measure your reaction time like the reaction game did.

And compare my windows list of games to the above dos list.

Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw Poker, 
Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master 
Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and 
Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, 
Yahtzee

Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course 
maker

BFN

Jim

Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
In deed I do. I had a number of games for the BNS. I know for sure I
had Solitaire, Simon, Mine Buster,  Hangman, etc stored on my flash
rom. After I took C in college I looked at the BNS C compiler, but
they wanted to much money for the compiler so I never purchased it.
Good thing I didn't because shortly afterward Blazie merged with
Henter-Joice to form Freedom Scientific, and then started developing
the Pacmates.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-07 Thread dark

Hi Jim,  cool! though I'm not the least surprised.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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Hi Dark,

Well, my black jack, draw poker, slot machine and star mule games started 
out as video / text games in the eighties.  They were then converted to 
blind accessible games in the nineties.  As a matter of fact my black jack 
game made the BBS PC Ohio's collection of must have files collection.


Yes, well other than reaction I have converted all of my dos games to 
windows versions.  There are a few utility programs that I have not 
published as windows versions, but here is the full list of dos games on 
my web site.


baseball, battleship, black jack, bopit, concentration, draw poker, 
football, golf, hangman, life, master mind, reaction, roulette wheel, 
simon, skunk, slot machine, snakes and ladders, star mule, trivia game 
engine, trucker and yahtzee.


Now spanker does measure your reaction time like the reaction game did.

And compare my windows list of games to the above dos list.

Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw 
Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 
tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot 
Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia 
game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee


Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf 
course maker


BFN

Jim

Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Lisa Hayes
I'd forgotten those space invader things I adored and a hand held game I 
played in 1983 called Mickey and Donald.  love that thing I couldn't see it 
mind you, but played it.

Lisa Hayes




www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes

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Hi,
Well, as many of you know I was sighted for many years. the very first
video game I can remember playing was Packman on my Atari 2600 around
1982 or so. I later got several more games from that era such as Demon
Attack, Space Invaders, Missile Command, etc. All the classics in
other words.
Around 1985 or so I got a Colleco for Christmas and started playing
games like Donkey Kong, Mouse Trap, Smirfs, Zaxon, and several other
games I probably don't recall any more.
1987 I had switched  game consoles yet again moving to the Nintendo
Entertainment System.  It pretty much goes without saying I had all
the major games such as Megaman, Mario, Double Dragon, Ninja Turtles,
Castlevania, and several more. In fact, I still have the NES and most
of the games in my living room closet.
By this time in my life I was beginning to have a harder time playing
the games because I couldn't see the tv screen very well. Things were
often blurry, but it didn't stop me from continuing to play.
By the 1990's my next major game console, if you wish to call it that,
was an IBM 486 with 4 MB of ram.  I played various games such as Duke
Nukem, Overkill,  and plenty of games I just don't remember now. I had
several.
In 1996, when I was a senior in high school, I got a new IBM with
Windows 95 on it. About that time there were a number of popular PC
games such as Heroes of Might and Magic, Tomb Raider, Top Gun,  Doom,
Jedi Knight, etc which I played. These were really the last games I
could really play as I really couldn't see them well, and I was using
Jaws 2.0 to access the PC because I couldn't see the words, icons,
etc. It basically was just a mindless mess of blurry colors.
Around 1998 I started looking for accessible games. A friend of mine
in college gave me some of Jim Kitchens self-voicing games. Those
proved to be fun little time waisters, but I wanted something more. So
I kept looking. Eventually, I found GMA's web site with Lonewolf and
Trek 2000 which I purchased right away. About this time Shades of Doom
was in testing, and I recall buying it not long after it came out.
As it happens the GMA Games site had a link to the Audyssey Magazine
list and I joined to find out more about it. After that the rest is
history. I have been floating around in the audio games community
ever since.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread peter Mahach
The first games I ever played (with sighted assistance) were on the 
playstation, which I in fact still have. I used to spend hours doing it. 
then, in 2004 I got my first computer, and the first pc games I played were 
on the old klango platform, which had links to non polish websites. I didn't 
care my english was bad, I decided to try anyway. There were a lot of broken 
links (IE adora became draconis but it wasn't tmensioned) and so on so I 
visited ag.net, which introduced me to the large database. and so it 
continued, I first signed up to the ag forum, watched for a while then 
started using my account for other purpuses than checking for new posts. 
then I also signed up for audyssey, and the rest is history. 



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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread shaun everiss
well if someone still has a keynote and wants to make it go die I'd like it 
since i have a deadnote right now.
Either that or if someone can contact me off list with instructions on trying 
to change the old keynote gold sa battery I may bother.
the only real reason I want a dos system now is to run agt things like 
cosmoserve which doesn't run right on agility.
and a few other things.
arena, destination mars and several other things.
At 03:40 p.m. 6/04/2010, you wrote:
Well I started with a keynote and only could play dos stuff then, beyond the 
titanic, hitch hikers all the infocom stuff got on to the original yahoo 
audyssey list in 2000 through Paul nimoo who was here and put my windows 98 
computer together met and love sod and all the other audio stuff.
Lisa Hayes




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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:42 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] How did you start?


Hi.

all this talk about if Is getting me a litle nostalgic, so i thought a topic 
about how people got into audio games and such might be fun.

For me, I'd always played what graffical games my eyesite could cope with, 
first on an atari 2600 (at age 3 and 4), then an amstrad cpc computer 
(similar to a comador 64), a comador amigar and finally a Snes (which i stil 
own).

But in the mid 90's with the 32 bit 3D era, the number of games I could play 
dropped from about thirty percent, to almost none.

Though I used a laptop for school work, and university, it never occurred to 
me I could do anything with it bar write. Yes, I had the DD manuals and used 
it to do some tabletop gaming in about 99-2000 before I went to uni, but I 
never actually thought of games.

It wasn't until 2003, that I saw an artical in a braille publication 
mentioning tom lorimers' whitestick.co.uk site and accessible computer games.

Despite a lot of net access shinanigans (hal version 5 and internet access 
was fairly new at that stage), I found toms' site, and played a number of 
online games like ashes of angels and legend of the green dragon.

I do remember checking the offline games page, but A, the idea of a game with 
sound I found rather bizarre, and B, I was stil using a five year old laptop 
with windows 98. I did however play a lot of if.

Things went on. I started on Sryth in late 2004, bought an xp desktop in mid 
2005, then ran into Bryan peterson. When finding we both had defficient 
eyeballs and an interest in exploration games he directed me towards shades 
of doom (I stil remember sitting up all night playing it), and by degrees 
audiogames.net.

Sinse this corresponded with me finishing my masters and for various 
confusing academic reasons having a lot of free time, i signed up to the 
audiogames.net forum in 2006, and spent the next few months trying almost the 
entire audiogames.net database, signing up to the audeasy list somewhere 
along the line.

And the rest is history.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,
I don't know if you have anything like it in New Zeland but here in
the U.S. there is a place called Batteries Plus. What they basically
do is take devices and replace the rechargible batteries in them for
you. I once took a Braille N' Speak into them and they swapped out the
original batteries in it for new ones and it ran like a charm until it
eventually died around 2003 or so. In fact, the batteries they put in
were better than the original Blazie ones, because when I got the BNS
originally in 96 it constantly liked saying battery low like the
battery Blazie gave me was junk to begin with.
Anyway, there are places around that can probably fix your Keynote SA
for you. That was a pretty good foreign language synth, and I haven't
seen one of those for ages. Last time I used one was when I was taking
French in school. Now, I remember the Keynote better than i do the
French. Lol!

On 4/6/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
 well if someone still has a keynote and wants to make it go die I'd like it
 since i have a deadnote right now.
 Either that or if someone can contact me off list with instructions on
 trying to change the old keynote gold sa battery I may bother.
 the only real reason I want a dos system now is to run agt things like
 cosmoserve which doesn't run right on agility.
 and a few other things.
 arena, destination mars and several other things.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread shaun everiss
true.
however I don't have space to have that synth on my desk at all nore a old 
style physicle system to run it on and since mastertouch and keysoft only run 
right on 386 systems its unlikely I could even run it all anyway.
I'm not mangling my main box if I have to fiddle with dosbox to much.

Hi Shaun,
I don't know if you have anything like it in New Zeland but here in
the U.S. there is a place called Batteries Plus. What they basically
do is take devices and replace the rechargible batteries in them for
you. I once took a Braille N' Speak into them and they swapped out the
original batteries in it for new ones and it ran like a charm until it
eventually died around 2003 or so. In fact, the batteries they put in
were better than the original Blazie ones, because when I got the BNS
originally in 96 it constantly liked saying battery low like the
battery Blazie gave me was junk to begin with.
Anyway, there are places around that can probably fix your Keynote SA
for you. That was a pretty good foreign language synth, and I haven't
seen one of those for ages. Last time I used one was when I was taking
French in school. Now, I remember the Keynote better than i do the
French. Lol!

On 4/6/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
 well if someone still has a keynote and wants to make it go die I'd like it
 since i have a deadnote right now.
 Either that or if someone can contact me off list with instructions on
 trying to change the old keynote gold sa battery I may bother.
 the only real reason I want a dos system now is to run agt things like
 cosmoserve which doesn't run right on agility.
 and a few other things.
 arena, destination mars and several other things.

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh,
Actually, we were talking about the hardware version, the SA, but it
is interesting you are still working with the Keynote Multimedia
software. I have a licensed version around here somewhere, but haven't
used it for a good 10 years or so since it isn't really supported on
newer Windows platforms. I wonder why Humanware just dropped it like
that anyway. I actually use to use it more than Eloquence back in the
days when it was still supported.

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Hello everyone,
isn't this key note gold thing off topic for the list? I'm not the 
moderator, but this topic should be related to how we got in to audio games. 
I think the keynote gold topic is off topic for the list Thomas and Raul, 
correct me if i'm wrong.
Do you love audio games? Would you like to chat about BGt a game creation 
tool for the blind? Do you need any tips or tricks on any sought of game? Do 
you need to ask questions about buying a game and help for the game? Well, 
this is the right place for you then! If you would like to joyn, just send a 
blank email to.

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Contact infermation.
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From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com

To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org
Cc: Dominic Gagliano dominic.gagli...@humanware.com; Gabe Griffith 
gabe.griff...@humanware.com; Maurice Sloane 
maurice.slo...@humanware.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] how did you start?



Hi

if you want to use keynote again, I got a 15 minute demo that runs in a 
windows98 virtual machine. so far my efforts to convince humanware to:
1. allow us to use the old keynote demo from 1995 or so, as a full 
version, have failed.
2. create a synth voice for ESpeak that sounds like keynote gold, call it 
the keynote ESpeak variant or something like that. this so far has also 
failed. I will continue to try and get them to either:
1. patch the old unsupported keynote gold multimedia demo to run as full 
copy and also patch keysoft gold for win95.

or 2. make a keynote voice variant for ESpeak.
the old unsupported software also runs in a  win95 virtual machine very 
well! please contact me offlist for more info.


Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Muhammed,
You are write. The Keynote topic is a bit off topic  in this case.
The part about using Keynote SA for dos games was on topic, but the
rest of it is getting off topic. Let's close that part of the
discussion down.

Thanks.


On 4/6/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 isn't this key note gold thing off topic for the list? I'm not the
 moderator, but this topic should be related to how we got in to audio games.
 I think the keynote gold topic is off topic for the list Thomas and Raul,
 correct me if i'm wrong.

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Hi all,
take it up on my audio games for the blind group. I don't mind as its easter 
holidays.
Do you love audio games? Would you like to chat about BGt a game creation 
tool for the blind? Do you need any tips or tricks on any sought of game? Do 
you need to ask questions about buying a game and help for the game? Well, 
this is the right place for you then! If you would like to joyn, just send a 
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?



Hi Muhammed,
You are write. The Keynote topic is a bit off topic  in this case.
The part about using Keynote SA for dos games was on topic, but the
rest of it is getting off topic. Let's close that part of the
discussion down.

Thanks.


On 4/6/10, Muhammed Deniz muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hello everyone,
isn't this key note gold thing off topic for the list? I'm not the
moderator, but this topic should be related to how we got in to audio 
games.

I think the keynote gold topic is off topic for the list Thomas and Raul,
correct me if i'm wrong.


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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread shaun everiss
well i doubt you can.
I tried a few years ago to get keysoft 2 for my old laptop.
and its not like they can for whatever reason there are no coppies in stock.
At 12:49 a.m. 7/04/2010, you wrote:
Hi

if you want to use keynote again, I got a 15 minute demo that runs in a 
windows98 virtual machine. so far my efforts to convince humanware to:
1. allow us to use the old keynote demo from 1995 or so, as a full version, 
have failed.
2. create a synth voice for ESpeak that sounds like keynote gold, call it the 
keynote ESpeak variant or something like that. this so far has also failed. I 
will continue to try and get them to either:
1. patch the old unsupported keynote gold multimedia demo to run as full copy 
and also patch keysoft gold for win95.
or 2. make a keynote voice variant for ESpeak. 
the old unsupported software also runs in a  win95 virtual machine very well! 
please contact me offlist for more info. 

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread shaun everiss
well they switched focus from standard pcs to their note taker range.
all their pc software stopped.
I think they did it to replace the standard windows shell.
I suppose they think that now this is not necessary anymore.
At 01:09 a.m. 7/04/2010, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
Actually, we were talking about the hardware version, the SA, but it
is interesting you are still working with the Keynote Multimedia
software. I have a licensed version around here somewhere, but haven't
used it for a good 10 years or so since it isn't really supported on
newer Windows platforms. I wonder why Humanware just dropped it like
that anyway. I actually use to use it more than Eloquence back in the
days when it was still supported.

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread shaun everiss
Well it probably won't happen.
they use the same stuff for their braille note range now so I doubt they would 
give it away.
though I wouldn't mind it for this box.
sure it was robotic but speech actually sounded quite good.
At 04:30 a.m. 7/04/2010, you wrote:
Hi

lets bring the keynote thing back on topic by relating it to games and I will 
bring it back on topic, by saying this. 

Ultimately I want to use keynote gold multimedia in a win98 virtual machine so 
I can use it with the asap screen reader in dos mode to play older unsupported 
dos games. asap with win98's dos and keynote multimedia would be the perfect 
combination to play older dos games. either that or humanware please make a 
loving keynote voice for the loving free, and loving open source ESpeak speech 
synthesizer!

Josh 

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi,

I like many started playing video games in the late seventies and early 
eighties on an Atari 2600.  I also had a Texas Instruments 99 4A and an Atari 
800 XL home computer which I started programming video games on in Basic.  Then 
in 1990 I got my first talking computer.  It was a NEC 286 running Jaws for dos 
version 1.0 with an Accent SA hardware synthesizer.  So I was now writing blind 
accessible text games.  In 1990 or 1991 Phil Vlasak found the source code for a 
golf game and found a sound file player like Plany and SBPlay and added sounds 
to the golf game.  You know before that we only used the little PC speaker for 
sounds.  But now we could add wav files to our games.  So I also found a 
different golf game and added sounds to it.  So in the nineties I programmed 
games in dos Quick Basic (PDS7) with text and sound files played via the 
external sound file player.  In 2000 David Greenwood helped me to get started 
switching from dos Quick Basic to Visual Basic for windows.  So now in windows 
we could play the sounds right in the code of our games and make the games 
totally sound based.  So that is what I have been doing for the last ten years. 
 Allot of the time was spent converting and improving my dos games to windows 
versions, but I have also written several totally new windows only games.

Just for the heck of it, again here is a list of my games for windows.

Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw Poker, 
Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master 
Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and 
Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, 
Yahtzee

Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course 
maker

BFN

Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
It wasn't that bad--in fact it was one of the best I'd heard when I got my
first BrailleNote--but since they've incorporated eloquence I've stuck to
using it over Keynote Gold.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Well it probably won't happen.
they use the same stuff for their braille note range now so I doubt they
would give it away.
though I wouldn't mind it for this box.
sure it was robotic but speech actually sounded quite good.
At 04:30 a.m. 7/04/2010, you wrote:
Hi

lets bring the keynote thing back on topic by relating it to games and I
will bring it back on topic, by saying this. 

Ultimately I want to use keynote gold multimedia in a win98 virtual machine
so I can use it with the asap screen reader in dos mode to play older
unsupported dos games. asap with win98's dos and keynote multimedia would be
the perfect combination to play older dos games. either that or humanware
please make a loving keynote voice for the loving free, and loving open
source ESpeak speech synthesizer!

Josh 

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Re: [Audyssey] how did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Hayden Presley
Oops, sorry about posting about the keynote gold thing, I missed the
offtopic message.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Hi all,
take it up on my audio games for the blind group. I don't mind as its easter

holidays.
Do you love audio games? Would you like to chat about BGt a game creation 
tool for the blind? Do you need any tips or tricks on any sought of game? Do

you need to ask questions about buying a game and help for the game? Well, 
this is the right place for you then! If you would like to joyn, just send a

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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:48 PM
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 Hi Muhammed,
 You are write. The Keynote topic is a bit off topic  in this case.
 The part about using Keynote SA for dos games was on topic, but the
 rest of it is getting off topic. Let's close that part of the
 discussion down.

 Thanks.


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 Hello everyone,
 isn't this key note gold thing off topic for the list? I'm not the
 moderator, but this topic should be related to how we got in to audio 
 games.
 I think the keynote gold topic is off topic for the list Thomas and Raul,
 correct me if i'm wrong.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread dark

Hi Jim.

Wow! interesting to think that when I'm playing your golf game I'm playing 
something  that started 20 years ago, ;D.


Out of idle curiosity, which of your games were written originally for dos 
and then converted? and are there stil any dos games you haven't released 
windows versions of yet?


Beware the Grue!

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Hi,

I like many started playing video games in the late seventies and early 
eighties on an Atari 2600.  I also had a Texas Instruments 99 4A and an 
Atari 800 XL home computer which I started programming video games on in 
Basic.  Then in 1990 I got my first talking computer.  It was a NEC 286 
running Jaws for dos version 1.0 with an Accent SA hardware synthesizer. 
So I was now writing blind accessible text games.  In 1990 or 1991 Phil 
Vlasak found the source code for a golf game and found a sound file player 
like Plany and SBPlay and added sounds to the golf game.  You know before 
that we only used the little PC speaker for sounds.  But now we could add 
wav files to our games.  So I also found a different golf game and added 
sounds to it.  So in the nineties I programmed games in dos Quick Basic 
(PDS7) with text and sound files played via the external sound file 
player.  In 2000 David Greenwood helped me to get started switching from 
dos Quick Basic to Visual Basic for windows.  So now in windows we could 
play the sounds right in the code of our games and make the games totally 
sound based.  So that is what I have been doing for the last ten years. 
Allot of the time was spent converting and improving my dos games to 
windows versions, but I have also written several totally new windows only 
games.


Just for the heck of it, again here is a list of my games for windows.

Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw 
Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 
tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot 
Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia 
game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee


Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf 
course maker


BFN

Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,
Very interesting story. The first game I ever wrote was a Blackjack
game in C for my Linux system I was using for my college programming
courses since it came with the free gcc compiler and it was more
accessible than using the Windows Visual C++ compiler.
Like your early games I couldn't really find a good sound library to
play sounds, SDL wasn't out yet, so I ended up writing a handy little
wrapper around sox, a Linux commandline wav file player, and used that
to play sounds like shuffling the deck and dealing cards. It was a
very cool little program. I also wrote a few other card and board
games which would really need to be upgraded to be ported to Windows.
A project someday I'd like to do.


On 4/6/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi,

 I like many started playing video games in the late seventies and early
 eighties on an Atari 2600.  I also had a Texas Instruments 99 4A and an
 Atari 800 XL home computer which I started programming video games on in
 Basic.  Then in 1990 I got my first talking computer.  It was a NEC 286
 running Jaws for dos version 1.0 with an Accent SA hardware synthesizer.  So
 I was now writing blind accessible text games.  In 1990 or 1991 Phil Vlasak
 found the source code for a golf game and found a sound file player like
 Plany and SBPlay and added sounds to the golf game.  You know before that we
 only used the little PC speaker for sounds.  But now we could add wav files
 to our games.  So I also found a different golf game and added sounds to it.
  So in the nineties I programmed games in dos Quick Basic (PDS7) with text
 and sound files played via the external sound file player.  In 2000 David
 Greenwood helped me to get started switching from dos Quick Basic to Visual
 Basic for windows.  So now in windows we could play the sounds right in the
 code of our games and make the games totally sound based.  So that is what I
 have been doing for the last ten years.  Allot of the time was spent
 converting and improving my dos games to windows versions, but I have also
 written several totally new windows only games.

 Just for the heck of it, again here is a list of my games for windows.

 Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw Poker,
 Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master
 Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes
 and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine,
 Trucker, Yahtzee

 Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course
 maker

 BFN

  Jim

 The nicest thing about the future is that it always starts tomorrow.

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 http://www.kitchensinc.net
 (440) 286-6920
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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Yohandy
   like Tom, the very first games I played were mainstream video games. in 
fact I only found out about audio games a few years ago. unlike tom though, 
I've always been blind. It never stopped me from gaming though. I still have 
my super nintendo with lots of old games like super mario all stars, mk2 and 
ultimate mk 3, donkey kong country etc. even to this day, I sometimes find 
myself hooking up my snes and playing some super mario. so much better than 
emulators! nothing like blowing into that cartrage a dozen times to get the 
game to work lol. I can still beat many levels. first few levels of super 
mario world I can beat with no problems, including the castle. yes sometimes 
I use tricks like flying through the most difficult parts, but hey flying's 
part of the game and it sure gets the job done lol. this definitely brings 
back many great memories.




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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-06 Thread Yohandy
oh man the braille N speaks! everyone had them back then. such cool little 
devices. and you guys remember the games people created with them?





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Hi Shaun,
I don't know if you have anything like it in New Zeland but here in
the U.S. there is a place called Batteries Plus. What they basically
do is take devices and replace the rechargible batteries in them for
you. I once took a Braille N' Speak into them and they swapped out the
original batteries in it for new ones and it ran like a charm until it
eventually died around 2003 or so. In fact, the batteries they put in
were better than the original Blazie ones, because when I got the BNS
originally in 96 it constantly liked saying battery low like the
battery Blazie gave me was junk to begin with.
Anyway, there are places around that can probably fix your Keynote SA
for you. That was a pretty good foreign language synth, and I haven't
seen one of those for ages. Last time I used one was when I was taking
French in school. Now, I remember the Keynote better than i do the
French. Lol!

On 4/6/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
well if someone still has a keynote and wants to make it go die I'd like 
it

since i have a deadnote right now.
Either that or if someone can contact me off list with instructions on
trying to change the old keynote gold sa battery I may bother.
the only real reason I want a dos system now is to run agt things like
cosmoserve which doesn't run right on agility.
and a few other things.
arena, destination mars and several other things.


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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Milos Przic
  Hi, yes, now you Dark made me a little nostalgic. I was also playing some 
games, mostly on the sega platform, since 1998, alongside my sided friends. 
From 2001 to 2003 I didn't play anything, and then I hurd about some games 
for the blind people. I was wondering how it could work, and the first game 
I found was Jim's Mach 1. Then I played the battleship from 
gamesfortheblind.com, and finally I found gmagames and audiogames.
  Then 3 years ago I found the malich games, and started playing the 
interactive fiction, and a year after that I started learning to program in 
inform 7. In the meantime, I am still an active audiogamer.

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Subject: [Audyssey] How did you start?



Hi.

all this talk about if Is getting me a litle nostalgic, so i thought a 
topic about how people got into audio games and such might be fun.


For me, I'd always played what graffical games my eyesite could cope with, 
first on an atari 2600 (at age 3 and 4), then an amstrad cpc computer 
(similar to a comador 64), a comador amigar and finally a Snes (which i 
stil own).


But in the mid 90's with the 32 bit 3D era, the number of games I could 
play dropped from about thirty percent, to almost none.


Though I used a laptop for school work, and university, it never occurred 
to me I could do anything with it bar write. Yes, I had the DD manuals 
and used it to do some tabletop gaming in about 99-2000 before I went to 
uni, but I never actually thought of games.


It wasn't until 2003, that I saw an artical in a braille publication 
mentioning tom lorimers' whitestick.co.uk site and accessible computer 
games.


Despite a lot of net access shinanigans (hal version 5 and internet access 
was fairly new at that stage), I found toms' site, and played a number of 
online games like ashes of angels and legend of the green dragon.


I do remember checking the offline games page, but A, the idea of a game 
with sound I found rather bizarre, and B, I was stil using a five year old 
laptop with windows 98. I did however play a lot of if.


Things went on. I started on Sryth in late 2004, bought an xp desktop in 
mid 2005, then ran into Bryan peterson. When finding we both had 
defficient eyeballs and an interest in exploration games he directed me 
towards shades of doom (I stil remember sitting up all night playing it), 
and by degrees audiogames.net.


Sinse this corresponded with me finishing my masters and for various 
confusing academic reasons having a lot of free time, i signed up to the 
audiogames.net forum in 2006, and spent the next few months trying almost 
the entire audiogames.net database, signing up to the audeasy list 
somewhere along the line.


And the rest is history.

Beware the Grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Well, as many of you know I was sighted for many years. the very first
video game I can remember playing was Packman on my Atari 2600 around
1982 or so. I later got several more games from that era such as Demon
Attack, Space Invaders, Missile Command, etc. All the classics in
other words.
Around 1985 or so I got a Colleco for Christmas and started playing
games like Donkey Kong, Mouse Trap, Smirfs, Zaxon, and several other
games I probably don't recall any more.
1987 I had switched  game consoles yet again moving to the Nintendo
Entertainment System.  It pretty much goes without saying I had all
the major games such as Megaman, Mario, Double Dragon, Ninja Turtles,
Castlevania, and several more. In fact, I still have the NES and most
of the games in my living room closet.
By this time in my life I was beginning to have a harder time playing
the games because I couldn't see the tv screen very well. Things were
often blurry, but it didn't stop me from continuing to play.
By the 1990's my next major game console, if you wish to call it that,
was an IBM 486 with 4 MB of ram.  I played various games such as Duke
Nukem, Overkill,  and plenty of games I just don't remember now. I had
several.
In 1996, when I was a senior in high school, I got a new IBM with
Windows 95 on it. About that time there were a number of popular PC
games such as Heroes of Might and Magic, Tomb Raider, Top Gun,  Doom,
Jedi Knight, etc which I played. These were really the last games I
could really play as I really couldn't see them well, and I was using
Jaws 2.0 to access the PC because I couldn't see the words, icons,
etc. It basically was just a mindless mess of blurry colors.
Around 1998 I started looking for accessible games. A friend of mine
in college gave me some of Jim Kitchens self-voicing games. Those
proved to be fun little time waisters, but I wanted something more. So
I kept looking. Eventually, I found GMA's web site with Lonewolf and
Trek 2000 which I purchased right away. About this time Shades of Doom
was in testing, and I recall buying it not long after it came out.
As it happens the GMA Games site had a link to the Audyssey Magazine
list and I joined to find out more about it. After that the rest is
history. I have been floating around in the audio games 
community
ever since.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread dark
Interesting tom, we were probably playin some of the same atari games like 
packman, berzerk and space invaders in 1985 and 6, accept I was about three 
or four at the time ;D.


I also stil own and play my Snes, (it's hooked up to my pc monitor right 
now), but having been collecting games sinse the early 90's, it's actually 
getting to the point where I'm running out of games I can play available for 
the console.


Pluss of course about the most complex games I can play are things like 
super metroid or some of the later Mega man games, sinse I can't read in 
game text at all.
I have been considdering the wii,  purely for wii ware titles, but the 
menues are just too much of a nightmare with my level of sight, which is 
very frustrating!


But before I get into low vision stuff I'll stop.

Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Yeah, I find the Wii a bit more than I can handle. The menus are
tricky enough, but the Wii motes take something to get use to.
I was playing the Wii with my family last night and I couldn't get the
hang of the motes as hard as I tried I couldn't ski straight to save
my life. I move to rapidly and I'd go way left or way right, or spin
around in a circle because the Wii motes are so motion sensative. it
takes a certain practice, a certain touch, to get them to work right.
Cool, but very difficult from my perspective.

Cheers!

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Muhammed Deniz

Hello Dark and others,
my ixperance was this. I started playing audio games in til 2007 and my 
laptop was broken alittle bit. It was a rubbish school hp laptop. Ok, I said 
to my teacher that I want a new computer and my teacher ordered one and it 
came. When the computer came, I started playing pipe 2, hunter and troopanum 
2 including gma tank commander. I sat everyday on my laptop and I always was 
on audio games and looking for new games. I found treasure hunt and I didn't 
really take an interest at it. But ok, let me take a chance on this game. I 
watched Philips review, then I was really hooked. I downloaded treasure hunt 
then I had a problem with the game. I joyned the bpc discussion list, but at 
first I wasn't willing to joyn and then I gave the chance. Obviously I 
behaved much more sillyer because I didn't know how to act on mailing lists 
at the time. It was last year. I also joyned the entombed discussion group. 
Ok, with out me knowing, mota beta 10 was released. I joyned the USA games 
mailing list and then had a bit of fun. Then, I pushed the block. Probably I 
had about 20 or 30 games now. My ixperance is this, though Dark interesting 
topic indeed.
Do you love audio games? Would you like to chat about BGt a game creation 
tool for the blind? Do you need any tips or tricks on any sought of game? Do 
you need to ask questions about buying a game and help for the game? Well, 
this is the right place for you then! If you would like to joyn, just send a 
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With the subject subscribe in the subject line.
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From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] How did you start?



Hi.

all this talk about if Is getting me a litle nostalgic, so i thought a 
topic about how people got into audio games and such might be fun.


For me, I'd always played what graffical games my eyesite could cope with, 
first on an atari 2600 (at age 3 and 4), then an amstrad cpc computer 
(similar to a comador 64), a comador amigar and finally a Snes (which i 
stil own).


But in the mid 90's with the 32 bit 3D era, the number of games I could 
play dropped from about thirty percent, to almost none.


Though I used a laptop for school work, and university, it never occurred 
to me I could do anything with it bar write. Yes, I had the DD manuals 
and used it to do some tabletop gaming in about 99-2000 before I went to 
uni, but I never actually thought of games.


It wasn't until 2003, that I saw an artical in a braille publication 
mentioning tom lorimers' whitestick.co.uk site and accessible computer 
games.


Despite a lot of net access shinanigans (hal version 5 and internet access 
was fairly new at that stage), I found toms' site, and played a number of 
online games like ashes of angels and legend of the green dragon.


I do remember checking the offline games page, but A, the idea of a game 
with sound I found rather bizarre, and B, I was stil using a five year old 
laptop with windows 98. I did however play a lot of if.


Things went on. I started on Sryth in late 2004, bought an xp desktop in 
mid 2005, then ran into Bryan peterson. When finding we both had 
defficient eyeballs and an interest in exploration games he directed me 
towards shades of doom (I stil remember sitting up all night playing it), 
and by degrees audiogames.net.


Sinse this corresponded with me finishing my masters and for various 
confusing academic reasons having a lot of free time, i signed up to the 
audiogames.net forum in 2006, and spent the next few months trying almost 
the entire audiogames.net database, signing up to the audeasy list 
somewhere along the line.


And the rest is history.

Beware the Grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?



Hi,
Yeah, I find the Wii a bit more than I can handle. The menus are
tricky enough, but the Wii motes take something to get use to.
I was playing the Wii with my family last night and I couldn't get the
hang of the motes as hard as I tried I couldn't ski straight to save
my life. I move to rapidly and I'd go way left or way right, or spin
around in a circle because the Wii motes are so motion sensative. it
takes a certain practice, a certain touch, to get them to work right.
Cool, but very difficult from my perspective.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Jacob Kruger
I think the very first game was told about was that chess game that only 
works with jaws, but then I think that got me started looking, and can't 
remember where/why heard about/found it, but I found out about 
kitchensinc.net, and from there it's just been looking around until I found 
audiogames.net, and this was all in 2006.


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] How did you start?



Hi.

all this talk about if Is getting me a litle nostalgic, so i thought a 
topic about how people got into audio games and such might be fun.


For me, I'd always played what graffical games my eyesite could cope with, 
first on an atari 2600 (at age 3 and 4), then an amstrad cpc computer 
(similar to a comador 64), a comador amigar and finally a Snes (which i 
stil own).


But in the mid 90's with the 32 bit 3D era, the number of games I could 
play dropped from about thirty percent, to almost none.


Though I used a laptop for school work, and university, it never occurred 
to me I could do anything with it bar write. Yes, I had the DD manuals 
and used it to do some tabletop gaming in about 99-2000 before I went to 
uni, but I never actually thought of games.


It wasn't until 2003, that I saw an artical in a braille publication 
mentioning tom lorimers' whitestick.co.uk site and accessible computer 
games.


Despite a lot of net access shinanigans (hal version 5 and internet access 
was fairly new at that stage), I found toms' site, and played a number of 
online games like ashes of angels and legend of the green dragon.


I do remember checking the offline games page, but A, the idea of a game 
with sound I found rather bizarre, and B, I was stil using a five year old 
laptop with windows 98. I did however play a lot of if.


Things went on. I started on Sryth in late 2004, bought an xp desktop in 
mid 2005, then ran into Bryan peterson. When finding we both had 
defficient eyeballs and an interest in exploration games he directed me 
towards shades of doom (I stil remember sitting up all night playing it), 
and by degrees audiogames.net.


Sinse this corresponded with me finishing my masters and for various 
confusing academic reasons having a lot of free time, i signed up to the 
audiogames.net forum in 2006, and spent the next few months trying almost 
the entire audiogames.net database, signing up to the audeasy list 
somewhere along the line.


And the rest is history.

Beware the Grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Jacob Kruger
Oh yes, and that's only since becoming B1, and then getting back on to 
computers etc. in 2006, but before that Well, back in around 1983, when was 
still sighted, when we got our commodore 64, along with it my father got a 
book on learning to program, and one of the first examples we retyped in was 
an underwater fish swimming game, so I think that was around the very first 
computer game I played after taking around 4 hours to type it all in since 
had never done much typing on anything more than like 1 school project on an 
old mechanical typewriter, where had had to get my mother to give me a 
letter saying that I had in fact typed it myself before the teacher would 
even give me marks for it.


Apart from that, me and my friends who also had commodores, spectrums etc. 
would spend weekend sleepovers playing around with software/hardware, 
including some game playing, and when we moved over to PCs - old XT, with 
something like 16mb ram - we spent most of the time playing sort of 
interactive fiction adventures like kings quest etc., but also things like 
pole position formula 1 racing, donkey kong, asteroids, elevator action, 
goblins revenge (that's the one q9 reminds me of), mario brothers, prince of 
persia, doom, quake, duke nukem 3d, etc., and all the way from there it was 
just exploring/finding new games and types of games.


The 3 games that played more than any others when could see were the 
original interactive fiction version of the hobbit, world superbikes racing 
2001, and a version of pool/snooker that used to sometimes even play while 
doing software support over the phone since when you were just telling the 
customer standard sets of instructions, it sometimes seemed better to 
distract part of your brain...smile


Near the end of my sighted time, it was things like need for speed, serious 
sam, unreal, half life, worms, return to castle wolfenstein, age of empires, 
star and warcraft, etc.


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

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From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?


I think the very first game was told about was that chess game that only 
works with jaws, but then I think that got me started looking, and can't 
remember where/why heard about/found it, but I found out about 
kitchensinc.net, and from there it's just been looking around until I found 
audiogames.net, and this was all in 2006.


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

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From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] How did you start?



Hi.

all this talk about if Is getting me a litle nostalgic, so i thought a 
topic about how people got into audio games and such might be fun.


For me, I'd always played what graffical games my eyesite could cope 
with, first on an atari 2600 (at age 3 and 4), then an amstrad cpc 
computer (similar to a comador 64), a comador amigar and finally a Snes 
(which i stil own).


But in the mid 90's with the 32 bit 3D era, the number of games I could 
play dropped from about thirty percent, to almost none.


Though I used a laptop for school work, and university, it never occurred 
to me I could do anything with it bar write. Yes, I had the DD manuals 
and used it to do some tabletop gaming in about 99-2000 before I went to 
uni, but I never actually thought of games.


It wasn't until 2003, that I saw an artical in a braille publication 
mentioning tom lorimers' whitestick.co.uk site and accessible computer 
games.


Despite a lot of net access shinanigans (hal version 5 and internet 
access was fairly new at that stage), I found toms' site, and played a 
number of online games like ashes of angels and legend of the green 
dragon.


I do remember checking the offline games page, but A, the idea of a game 
with sound I found rather bizarre, and B, I was stil using a five year 
old laptop with windows 98. I did however play a lot of if.


Things went on. I started on Sryth in late 2004, bought an xp desktop in 
mid 2005, then ran into Bryan peterson. When finding we both had 
defficient eyeballs and an interest in exploration games he directed me 
towards shades of doom (I stil remember sitting up all night playing it), 
and by degrees audiogames.net.


Sinse this corresponded with me finishing my masters and for various 
confusing academic reasons having a lot of free time, i signed up to the 
audiogames.net forum in 2006, and spent the next few months trying almost 
the entire audiogames.net database, signing up to the audeasy list 
somewhere along the line.


And the rest is history.

Beware the Grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread michael barnes
here how i got into audio games.  i started back in school i played the 
old dos text games. like shoot 96 and run for prisident and destiation 
mars.  i didn't play them as much as i did video games because at the 
time i had some sight.  in 2008 someone told me about jim's games.  and 
so i tried them out i notice that they had the fell of old gaming with 
a new gaming feel. what i mean is when i play the baseball game it 
reminded me of the nintendo day in the 80's and it also reminded me of 
today games sound. at the time i started to play jim's games i had some 
sight left so i was playing ps2 games. but when i had lost my sight i 
still wanted to play games so i begin to play jim's games alot just 
like the way i play video games.  since i've been doing audio gaming i 
notice that the games are just like a video game accept with no video.  
i have been playing shades of doom and pac man talk and kitchensinc and 
railracer and sarah and the castle and top speed and entombed.  and 
these games have given me a great reason to pick up a controller and to 
talk with others about games.  i would like to thank people like jim 
kitchen and other audio game makers out their for the hard work.


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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread ian mcnamara
hi all this is a good topic i think and very interesting. i went to the 
royal nattional college in 2001 and never knew their where games out 
their for people like us. like you i was playing games on the atarie 
saiga megadrive and playstation with sighted assistance and their where 
very fiew game i could play. how ever when i went to rnc in 2001 i 
bumped in to will lomas who is also on this list. he told me about audio 
games and got me all the audicy magazeens to read. then it just went 
from their really. although with other things i have to do now  i do not 
get much time for games but i love the fact i was introduced to this 
wunderful way of blind people gaming. so keep the games comming i hope 
to enjoy them for years to come yet.


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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread shaun everiss
Hmmm since people seem to be discussing this.
I got into audio games by accident.
in about 1993 I started mucking with dad's old disks and found things I could 
play.
My first real text game was from a friend and it was called intergalactic 
battle.
you could be be oryan klingon I think romulan and federation and andromidan I 
think not soure I think you could be cardation.
anyway you could have set games against your oponants or the computer.
the main screen was graphical but the system was controled with menus.

After I got on the net I was on the old henrichsen site which is now dead and 
found various files called aud1.zip, etc.
I was curious, because well I was thinking it was something to do.
I downloaded the files and read them.
as i went through each mag i followed the links and read the articles.
up to then I had not even heard anything about interactive fiction.
in fact I did not get the net till 1995.
my first real audio game was sod alpha1 in 1996 I think.
from 1995 till 2000 I used an old 386 system which had been mangled some what 
due to me dropping it off the desk.
the thing is now dead for ever more but I played dos stuff till then.
after that I made several attempts to play old stuff again.
this year I have finally got round to bothering with interpreters for windows 
fully so we will see where this goes.
Actually I suppose I should thank josh for asking for my archive of games in 
the first place because since switching to hard drive recordings I have not 
touched  my cdr collection.
I had to sort this out and again got interested.
At 01:01 p.m. 6/04/2010, you wrote:
hi all this is a good topic i think and very interesting. i went to the royal 
nattional college in 2001 and never knew their where games out their for 
people like us. like you i was playing games on the atarie saiga megadrive and 
playstation with sighted assistance and their where very fiew game i could 
play. how ever when i went to rnc in 2001 i bumped in to will lomas who is 
also on this list. he told me about audio games and got me all the audicy 
magazeens to read. then it just went from their really. although with other 
things i have to do now  i do not get much time for games but i love the fact 
i was introduced to this wunderful way of blind people gaming. so keep the 
games comming i hope to enjoy them for years to come yet.

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Re: [Audyssey] How did you start?

2010-04-05 Thread Lisa Hayes
Well I started with a keynote and only could play dos stuff then, beyond the 
titanic, hitch hikers all the infocom stuff got on to the original yahoo 
audyssey list in 2000 through Paul nimoo who was here and put my windows 98 
computer together met and love sod and all the other audio stuff.

Lisa Hayes




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Hi.

all this talk about if Is getting me a litle nostalgic, so i thought a 
topic about how people got into audio games and such might be fun.


For me, I'd always played what graffical games my eyesite could cope with, 
first on an atari 2600 (at age 3 and 4), then an amstrad cpc computer 
(similar to a comador 64), a comador amigar and finally a Snes (which i 
stil own).


But in the mid 90's with the 32 bit 3D era, the number of games I could 
play dropped from about thirty percent, to almost none.


Though I used a laptop for school work, and university, it never occurred 
to me I could do anything with it bar write. Yes, I had the DD manuals 
and used it to do some tabletop gaming in about 99-2000 before I went to 
uni, but I never actually thought of games.


It wasn't until 2003, that I saw an artical in a braille publication 
mentioning tom lorimers' whitestick.co.uk site and accessible computer 
games.


Despite a lot of net access shinanigans (hal version 5 and internet access 
was fairly new at that stage), I found toms' site, and played a number of 
online games like ashes of angels and legend of the green dragon.


I do remember checking the offline games page, but A, the idea of a game 
with sound I found rather bizarre, and B, I was stil using a five year old 
laptop with windows 98. I did however play a lot of if.


Things went on. I started on Sryth in late 2004, bought an xp desktop in 
mid 2005, then ran into Bryan peterson. When finding we both had 
defficient eyeballs and an interest in exploration games he directed me 
towards shades of doom (I stil remember sitting up all night playing it), 
and by degrees audiogames.net.


Sinse this corresponded with me finishing my masters and for various 
confusing academic reasons having a lot of free time, i signed up to the 
audiogames.net forum in 2006, and spent the next few months trying almost 
the entire audiogames.net database, signing up to the audeasy list 
somewhere along the line.


And the rest is history.

Beware the Grue!

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